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(Met Office News)   Heat wave panic sweeps England as temperatures are expected to reach the high 29-low 30 Celsius mark, which is known colloquially in Phoenix as 'Sweater Weather'   (metofficenews.wordpress.com) divider line 38
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Xai
2013-07-12 10:17:05 AM
9 votes:
we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.
2013-07-12 09:04:59 AM
7 votes:
The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.
2013-07-12 10:18:42 AM
3 votes:

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


It's definitely tragic when people die. With that said, a heat wave is not like a flood or an earthquake that is sudden and devastating. High temps can be managed and people can easily be moved to other locations in the community if it's an issue. Some of those deaths can be blamed on people just not knowing what to do, and other people not trying hard enough to solve problems.
wee [TotalFark]
2013-07-12 01:47:34 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat."


If people are whining about how 86 degrees is a heat wave, they deserve to be made fun of.
2013-07-12 01:33:14 PM
1 votes:
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2013-07-12 12:53:48 PM
1 votes:
For those of us in the desert southwest, it's that time of year again. Monsoon season. Everybody who uses swamp coolers dreads this time of year. Here in Las Vegas, it's 83F/28C, with 53% humidity. Inside my swamp cooled house, it's 74F - and close to 100% humidity. Everything in the house is damp. With that said, I occasionally get asked about why I don't get air conditioning. The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.

On the one hand, Europeans are probably going to wind up installing more and more A/C as things heat up. On the other hand, they're not going to be happy about their power bills.
2013-07-12 12:46:06 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: A tin roof could turn a small apartment into an oven.


And make things rather unpleasant for the cat.
2013-07-12 12:43:37 PM
1 votes:
words of wisdom.

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looks like she has the a/c turned on.
2013-07-12 12:34:44 PM
1 votes:

Dinjiin: /experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade


Where the heck were you?  Yuma?  That there is rule number 2

Desert rule #1:  Water is life.  Know the symptoms of dehydration:  Head Ache, Nausea, Tremors, Disorientation.
Desert rule #2:  Don't Touch Anything.   Metal, rocks, dirt, glass, trees, bushes, cacti, and anything that moves: all = PAIN.   Keep an oven mitt or leather work gloves, in your car if you don't have a sun shield.
Desert rule #3:  Shun the sun.  If there is a sliver of shade behind a stop sign, stand there.  Do NOT take public transportation unless the stop has shade, 15 minutes late bus can kill the old and weak.
2013-07-12 12:14:54 PM
1 votes:

chevydeuce: I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....


85F/30C degrees isn't even extreme in Seattle, which has a similar climate to England and where residential A/C is also a rarity.  Panic time starts at around 95F/35C and gets worse from there.


/experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade
2013-07-12 11:42:17 AM
1 votes:

Fissile: Like say when you have 90-95% humidity and temperatures up to 30 degrees Celsius?


Yeah, we call that 7:00 AM in the summertime in the south-east.  Doesn't get cooler as the day gets longer either.
2013-07-12 11:41:02 AM
1 votes:

Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence


Why is that? Over here decent window units can be had for  £100-200. Great ones aren't much more.  Running them for long periods of time can get expensive but if you install one and only use it a month or so out of the year it doesn't seem like it would be that much of a cost barrier.

Looking on Amazon.co.uk all I see (from 10 seconds of searching) are a handful of expensive portable units. Why aren't cheap-ish window air conditioners common, or even available, over there?

Xai: we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.


That's not exactly the same. I grew up in Phoenix. The only snow I ever saw (which was once) didn't even make it to the ground before it melted. Phoenix doesn't need slow plows. Ever year it seems like we hear how the UK needs air conditioning. If anything just to keep people alive a few times each summer.

/No central air in my home. Just 2 window units.
2013-07-12 11:18:17 AM
1 votes:

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RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's or 70's to me.


Over the winter when Calilfornia had one of their "cold waves" where the temps dropped to the 40s overnight, I was reminded that this is a terrible thing because many California home don't have central heat.

THE MORAL OF THE STORY: Stupid libs in California and England don't plan for future weather disasters and then come running to the feds for help when bad things happen.
2013-07-12 11:17:03 AM
1 votes:

Fissile: Most Americans don't realize that the weather in Western Europe is much less extreme in both summer and winter than it is in the US.  West European summer temps don't get that warm, and winter temps don't drop very far below freezing.   Compare that to NYC for example. New York summers are tropical, yet winters can be quite cold.  I had relatives from Vienna visiting during Christmas/New Year.  They were very surprised to find out how cold New York can get in January.


I'm from Minnesota -- land of 38 C (and humid!) in the summer and -30 C in the winter, so its hard to muster up much sympathy.
2013-07-12 11:14:43 AM
1 votes:
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2013-07-12 11:11:19 AM
1 votes:
Most Americans don't realize that the weather in Western Europe is much less extreme in both summer and winter than it is in the US.  West European summer temps don't get that warm, and winter temps don't drop very far below freezing.   Compare that to NYC for example. New York summers are tropical, yet winters can be quite cold.  I had relatives from Vienna visiting during Christmas/New Year.  They were very surprised to find out how cold New York can get in January.
2013-07-12 11:00:34 AM
1 votes:

MyToeHurts: Really? Another thread comparing Englands temps to Arizona?


How about comparing England's temps to those here in New York State?  We're forecast to hit 28 degrees C today, 29 tomorrow, 31 on Sunday, and 32 on Monday and Tuesday.

Just a typical July.
2013-07-12 10:58:59 AM
1 votes:
I grew up in an old farm house. No insulation, no AC barely any heat.

We survived -40 to 105F (-40 to 38C) no problem. Jesus, get a fan drink some water.
2013-07-12 10:58:20 AM
1 votes:

RickyWilliams'sBong: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.


the deep lines on the tube are farking horrible in the summer. average temps have risen significantly since the system was built and it was never envisgaed that the tube would carry as many people as its carrying these days. AC would be insanely expensive

there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube
2013-07-12 10:55:39 AM
1 votes:
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2013-07-12 10:54:55 AM
1 votes:
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at least it's not 45º.
2013-07-12 10:49:52 AM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.


This.  Maybe throw in a dash of salt now and then.  Or have some chicken soup, or other salty-ish broth for lunch, just to replace the electrolytes.

Even the elderly and infirm can survive heat waves if you keep them hydrated.  Really, that's pretty much all there is too it.
2013-07-12 10:45:51 AM
1 votes:
mid 80s is a tad warm... just avoid any strenuous activity and drink some water from time to time.

I remember in june of last year, riding my motorcycle in 104 degree heat with high humidity. imagine wearing a leather jacket, gloves, and thick kevlar jeans inside a blast furnace and you'll have an idea of my ride home from work that day.

THAT is a heatwave... mid 80s in the middle of summer is not.
2013-07-12 10:45:24 AM
1 votes:
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2013-07-12 10:42:58 AM
1 votes:
It was 121 degrees here last week.....Fark you England!

I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....
2013-07-12 10:42:58 AM
1 votes:
Even without AC if you have drinking water and a fan you should be fine.  People die because they don't listen to their bodies.
2013-07-12 10:42:01 AM
1 votes:
How the hell does someone die in weather in the low 30s? I live in Denver its ranged between 34 and 37 all week. Many homes here aren't air conditioned. As far as I know there hasn't been a mass extinction of the old or infirm.

Does Europe run their elderly when it gets hot out? Like in Spain with the bulls but instead it's people with walkers charging down the street while the young and able bodied sprint away in terror? If so you should stop that.
2013-07-12 10:41:45 AM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Lady J: THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR

Rule Britannia,
Britannia penny saves,
Britons' power bills shall be waived.


Bill Bryson has written a great book about Britain called Notes From A Small Island, where he affectionately describes how we will tolerate real discomfort, so as not to 'make a fuss' or 'waste money' (my generation don't do this), and see things like cups of tea, and toast and marmite as a huge treat... 'ooh lovely, no just one slice thank you' (again, not my generation... i eat stacks of toast and marmite)

its a hangover from rationing I think
2013-07-12 10:40:03 AM
1 votes:
Oooh 84. Nice.

But toss in 80% humidity and life sucks.

And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.
2013-07-12 10:37:21 AM
1 votes:
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2013-07-12 10:36:03 AM
1 votes:
Christ, England. Quit being such pussies.
2013-07-12 10:35:06 AM
1 votes:
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2013-07-12 10:34:10 AM
1 votes:
Sweater weather


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2013-07-12 10:31:28 AM
1 votes:
After studying that summer in Chicago when people dropped like flies, big cities take very seriously heat anomalies -- including getting proactive with delivering ice, making sure that the quiet old person who lives next door is OK, and acting on the fact that the old, very young and infirm are deadly vulnerable.

Given the fact that the old and poor person in an urban environment may have their windows nailed shut to keep out thieves and no money to afford air conditioning, everyone but the Soylent Corporation wants to help these people survive.
2013-07-12 10:30:40 AM
1 votes:
oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR
2013-07-12 10:28:05 AM
1 votes:

I'm no expert but...: To be honest, there is a perfectly reasonable chance it will snow tomorrow.

/Not really seeing a lot of panic, 'cept maybe for getting BBQ stuff beofre is sells out.


quite. zero panic

that said I work in a hospital and we have to deploy our 'heatwave plan' if it hits 32 deg tomorrow.

the elderly struggle to cope
2013-07-12 10:25:51 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.
2013-07-12 09:57:02 AM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.
 
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