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2013-07-12 12:11:39 PM

dittybopper: MonoChango: Hot Broth!  are you nuts?  Eat some salsa like anyone in the desert knows.  Dice a Tomatoes, a bit of onion, serrano pepper, and cilantro (if you can get it), half a tea spoon of salt and juice from half a key lime.  Grab a bag of salty corn chips, a cool beverage and find some shade.

You don't have to eat it hot, but in actuality, having a hot beverage can be good on a hot day.

I know, sounds pretty stupid, right?  I thought so too, until I had (out of desperation for caffeine) some hot coffee one hot day.

Hell, if you get down to it, take a liter bottle of water, throw in a teaspoon of salt and two tablespoons of sugar, and drink that.

I presume everyone in Europe has access to water, salt, and sugar.


True, I live in the desert and keep those little packets of salt from Wendy's, and some jolly ranchers, in my glove box.  Bottle of water, salt, sugar will get you through, but salsa opens up your pores and release endorphins as well.  Plus if your beverage has salt on the rim, and tequila and ice in the glass, you just don't care if it is 105 and 80% humility.
 
2013-07-12 12:14:40 PM
English cars don't have AC?

I'm so jealous of their weight-savings.
 
2013-07-12 12:14:54 PM

chevydeuce: I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....


85F/30C degrees isn't even extreme in Seattle, which has a similar climate to England and where residential A/C is also a rarity.  Panic time starts at around 95F/35C and gets worse from there.


/experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade
 
2013-07-12 12:19:29 PM

fnordest: Yesterday was the first sub-100° temperature in 42 days here in Phoenix.

/and now back to the sweater puppies


It was downright chilly.  Wish it would have rained, though.  Mother Nature teased us with those clouds and wind...
 
2013-07-12 12:33:55 PM
News flash: the usual temperatures in some places are higher than they are in others.
 
2013-07-12 12:34:44 PM

Dinjiin: /experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade


Where the heck were you?  Yuma?  That there is rule number 2

Desert rule #1:  Water is life.  Know the symptoms of dehydration:  Head Ache, Nausea, Tremors, Disorientation.
Desert rule #2:  Don't Touch Anything.   Metal, rocks, dirt, glass, trees, bushes, cacti, and anything that moves: all = PAIN.   Keep an oven mitt or leather work gloves, in your car if you don't have a sun shield.
Desert rule #3:  Shun the sun.  If there is a sliver of shade behind a stop sign, stand there.  Do NOT take public transportation unless the stop has shade, 15 minutes late bus can kill the old and weak.
 
2013-07-12 12:37:28 PM
My mother is 84 and in the UK and she drinks about 200ml of water a day "to take my pills".

I say to her "You should drink more water" to which she says "I`m fine, I drink plenty of tea" which means about 3 more 200ml cups of tea for a total of about half what she should have even if it were pure water.

If she were on her own and heat like this happened she would just keel over and that would be that.

It`s not the heat it`s the lack of hydration in the ill, weak and old.

DRNK SOME WATER YOU FECKERS, IT`S NOT POISON!
 
2013-07-12 12:38:32 PM

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


The building materials used are also different. A tin roof could turn a small apartment into an oven.
 
2013-07-12 12:38:51 PM

MonoChango: Dinjiin: /experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade

Where the heck were you?  Yuma?  That there is rule number 2

Desert rule #1:  Water is life.  Know the symptoms of dehydration:  Head Ache, Nausea, Tremors, Disorientation.
Desert rule #2:  Don't Touch Anything.   Metal, rocks, dirt, glass, trees, bushes, cacti, and anything that moves: all = PAIN.   Keep an oven mitt or leather work gloves, in your car if you don't have a sun shield.
Desert rule #3:  Shun the sun.  If there is a sliver of shade behind a stop sign, stand there.  Do NOT take public transportation unless the stop has shade, 15 minutes late bus can kill the old and weak.


Also this
 
2013-07-12 12:39:14 PM

MonoChango: Where the heck were you? Yuma? That there is rule number 2


Was passing through El Centro.  Yuma was only 118F.
 
2013-07-12 12:43:37 PM
words of wisdom.

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looks like she has the a/c turned on.
 
2013-07-12 12:46:06 PM

Bontesla: A tin roof could turn a small apartment into an oven.


And make things rather unpleasant for the cat.
 
2013-07-12 12:46:50 PM
It's supposed to be 101 (F) here today (in Dallas). So, uh, Europe, I kinda feel your pain ...
 
2013-07-12 12:50:22 PM
Yay! I can turn my AC on for the second time ever. Assuming it still works.

The only obvious explanations for the lack of availability of window rattlers are that most people don't have vertical sliding windows and a lack of demand. The mean high in July is only 73F.
 
2013-07-12 12:53:48 PM
For those of us in the desert southwest, it's that time of year again. Monsoon season. Everybody who uses swamp coolers dreads this time of year. Here in Las Vegas, it's 83F/28C, with 53% humidity. Inside my swamp cooled house, it's 74F - and close to 100% humidity. Everything in the house is damp. With that said, I occasionally get asked about why I don't get air conditioning. The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.

On the one hand, Europeans are probably going to wind up installing more and more A/C as things heat up. On the other hand, they're not going to be happy about their power bills.
 
2013-07-12 12:54:59 PM
When I was in Switzerland a few summers back for a week-long conference, the organizers had us at some lakeside mountain retreat. Sounds idyllic, except that the humidity was over 90%, the rooms we stayed in had ceiling fans that spun at moderate speed at best, and after breakfast it was almost impossible to get substantial quantities of anything to drink that wasn't wine. By the time I headed back for an overnight in Zurich before flying home, I was feeling sick from lack of sleep (too uncomfortable) and dehydration. I was trying not to be the stereotypical American at McDonald's, but it was the only damn place where I could get something to drink that was more than 10 oz. and that was actually cold, never mind having ice. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Europeans are unprepared for hot weather.

/grew up in a mostly Irish neighborhood in NYC - immigrants would drop like flies if the temps were over 80F
 
2013-07-12 12:57:28 PM

dready zim: "I`m fine, I drink plenty of tea"


Caffeine also is bad for hydration.  It makes you pee out all the water it came with.
Let me reiterate 1: WATER is life, NOT: Tea, Diet Coke, Red Bull, Mt Dew or Coffee.  Gatorade also works but that is just water with electrolytes and sugar.
So yes Zim, you hit the nail on the head: Drink! You Farkers!  Drink until you think your going to puke, then back it up with a salt tablet and some hard candy, or if you can stand the taste; Gatorade.


Dinjiin: MonoChango: Where the heck were you? Yuma? That there is rule number 2

Was passing through El Centro.  Yuma was only 118F.


With the humidity, I think Yuma is worse.  If you are in a low humidity desert (California near Mohave, or Ridgecrest) also be aware of the diurnal temp swings.  I've been on lake beds where it was 100+ during the day and 55 at night. People have died of hypothermia in the summer in the desert.
 
2013-07-12 12:57:46 PM

Dinjiin: MonoChango: Where the heck were you? Yuma? That there is rule number 2

Was passing through El Centro.  Yuma was only 118F.


belated welcome and goodbye to and from my neckof the woods....
 
2013-07-12 12:58:58 PM
Thanks, O'Cameron.
 
2013-07-12 01:05:34 PM

iToad: The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.


I've got both but this last June the water bill was killing me.  I might think about just going full AC next year to see if which is higher.  Or maybe it's time to replace the whole thing with one of those new fangled super high efficiency heat pumps.
 
2013-07-12 01:06:45 PM

MonoChango: dready zim: "I`m fine, I drink plenty of tea"

Caffeine also is bad for hydration.  It makes you pee out all the water it came with.


My point exactly. Old people think any liquid is as good as water for rehydration.
 
2013-07-12 01:09:47 PM

Girion47: English cars don't have AC?

I'm so jealous of their weight-savings.


===============

And Albanian cars don't have license plates, lock cylinders, or VIN numbers.  Talk about shaving off every last bit of excess weight!
 
2013-07-12 01:13:17 PM

MonoChango: iToad: The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.

I've got both but this last June the water bill was killing me.  I might think about just going full AC next year to see if which is higher.  Or maybe it's time to replace the whole thing with one of those new fangled super high efficiency heat pumps.


On humid days you coudl conceivably use condensate from your air conditioning to water your lawn.

Dallas's AC condensate was what kept Houston in fresh water during the 2010 drought.
 
2013-07-12 01:30:36 PM
Hundreds of thousands of older Europeans live in my country, where 30C summers are the norm, and many of them don't have air conditioning.  They sit in front of an electric farking fan when it gets hot.

Granted, not one of them is particularly attractive and worth looking at in a 'sweater', but nor do they have a habit of dying en masse.
 
2013-07-12 01:33:14 PM
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2013-07-12 01:35:18 PM

Lady J: dunno. just not what people do. offices have AC, that have got lots of computers on the go.

other than that, it's just not what we spend money on. people would think you were wanton


Eh, "we just don't" doesn't really make sense to me. Especially since this thing seems to happen every year. But I don't live there so I can't say for sure how nuts this behavior is or is not.

I also don't understand the idea that one should sacrifice their personal well being for the sake of what others might or might not think of them. I have 3 cars and 3 motorcycles. I have 4 ear piercings (2 lobe, 2 helix). I paint my nails from time to time. I dye my hair blue. I'm in my late 20's and an industry professional. I don't give a damn about what other people think about me. I'm in this life to keep myself happy, not to keep my neighbors happy. I don't make an ass of myself but I wont stop doing what makes me happy because someone else might not like it.

If being comfortable means that my neighbor would think that I'm wanton or daft or prat or barmy then so be it. I'll be the daft punk sitting comfy in my cooled home.Work It Make It Do It Makes Us Harder Better Faster Stronger.

I could have sworn that I saw a post where someone said that many places don't have vertically opening windows that accommodate the most common window units. This is a fair point. In that case a company could either engineer one that would work with more common local window styles or just find some way of making portible unti
 
2013-07-12 01:41:29 PM
Ah, son of a biscuit. Let me continue where I accidentally left off.

This is a fair point. In that case a company could either engineer one that would work with more common local window styles or just find some way of making portableunits cheaper for the masses. I could see a government subsidy for one unit per home. Knock the price down by any amount. Even if you don't need large amounts of cooling air conditioners are great for removing humidity and making the room more comfortable that way. Hell, just do it for senior citizens at least seeing how they're more at risk of heat stroke than anyone else. Well, save for small children. Which would do back to the one-per-household thing.
 
2013-07-12 01:46:38 PM

Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR


It was built on little brown men fanning Brits.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-07-12 01:47:34 PM

FlashHarry: that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat."


If people are whining about how 86 degrees is a heat wave, they deserve to be made fun of.
 
2013-07-12 01:49:41 PM

YixilTesiphon: MonoChango: iToad: The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.

I've got both but this last June the water bill was killing me.  I might think about just going full AC next year to see if which is higher.  Or maybe it's time to replace the whole thing with one of those new fangled super high efficiency heat pumps.

On humid days you coudl conceivably use condensate from your air conditioning to water your lawn.

Dallas's AC condensate was what kept Houston in fresh water during the 2010 drought.


mmmmm legionella.
 
2013-07-12 01:58:07 PM

ukexpat: News flash: the usual temperatures in some places are higher than they are in others.


News flash, that doesn't make the temperature "extreme".
 
2013-07-12 02:09:30 PM

MonoChango: So yes Zim, you hit the nail on the head: Drink! You Farkers!  Drink until you think your going to puke, then back it up with a salt tablet and some hard candy, or if you can stand the taste; Gatorade.


"If you don't have to pee, you aren't drinking enough".
 
2013-07-12 02:12:13 PM

wee: FlashHarry: that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat."

If people are whining about how 86 degrees is a heat wave, they deserve to be made fun of.


the temp was consistently over 100º and 70,000 people died, but whatever.
 
2013-07-12 02:25:29 PM

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


Most of the people who died in France during that heatwave were the elderly who had been left alone by their families who popped off on their long summer vacation.
 
2013-07-12 02:34:54 PM

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RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's or 70's to me.


Having air-conditioning for the week a year it's needed doesn't make a lot of sense. There are non-insulated homes all across the southern US that turn to hell holes during the odd freak winter snowstorm.
 
2013-07-12 02:59:46 PM
28 degrees C was the *low* here in my corner of Louisiana for several nights in a row this past month, and we regularly combine that with 75-80% relative humidity.  When it gets like that, it feels like someone's trying to smother you with a wet woolen towel every time you step outside at night.  And this is a comparatively cool summer.  We had several summers in a row where for weeks the nighttime temperatures wouldn't drop past 29 or even 30. Beetles the size of house cats swarm every light source at night, and the mosquitoes will try to carry you off to feed their burgeoning young.  Ahh, the joys of Lesser Florida, where a six pack of Abita and a bug zapper provide quality evening entertainment.
 
2013-07-12 03:32:59 PM

CrazyCracka420: ukexpat: News flash: the usual temperatures in some places are higher than they are in others.

News flash, that doesn't make the temperature "extreme".


It's all relative.
 
2013-07-12 03:40:43 PM
The tube can be deadly hot in this kind of weather but I've discovered the new Overground trains are air conditioned!  Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

Also, supermarkets must have AC by law.
 
2013-07-12 03:55:43 PM

postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.


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wee [TotalFark]
2013-07-12 04:18:28 PM

FlashHarry: the temp was consistently over 100º and 70,000 people died, but whatever.


In other words, not 86 degrees.  So, basically, a completely different situation than the one you are whining about.

Got it.
 
2013-07-12 04:39:03 PM

jshine: postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

[whywouldyoudothat.jpg]


Why?  To keep cool.  Also unemployed at the moment so really nothing better to do all day...
 
2013-07-12 04:45:16 PM
Don't they not put ice in drinks either?
 
2013-07-12 04:45:48 PM
I'll be heading straight into that fiery inferno as I'm set to touch down in London Monday night.  I'll bring my sunglasses to ward off the ensuing onslaught of pasty flesh that's sure to ensue.

Having been through the whole "we don't need AC" BS when I moved to Seattle I suffered through one summer with week-long temps in the 100s before having central air installed.  Made it a snap to sell the house six years later as most folks moving from other parts of the US fully expect to have AC in a half-million dollar house for Pete's sake.

/Beer and AC are proof that God loves us -- Benny Franklin.
 
2013-07-12 04:49:00 PM

postnobills: jshine: postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

[whywouldyoudothat.jpg]

Why?  To keep cool.  Also unemployed at the moment so really nothing better to do all day...


Yup, the route out of unemployment is sitting on the Circle Line from dawn til dust!
 
2013-07-12 04:54:45 PM

wee: FlashHarry: the temp was consistently over 100º and 70,000 people died, but whatever.

In other words, not 86 degrees.  So, basically, a completely different situation than the one you are whining about.

Got it.


where was i whining about this one? i only said that i remembered the one in '03. sorry if that got on your wick.
 
2013-07-12 04:58:13 PM

CrazyCracka420: Something tells me they'll survive without AC when temperatures sky-rocket to 84 degrees Fahrenheit.  I envision people going into basements or cellars.  Keeping their windows closed during the day and the shades drawn to keep temperatures down. They may pull out fans, or try to stay cool by going to a pool or lake or river.


My air conditioning went out last summer here in Alabama. Thankfully, we had a storm on that first day, so the temperature dropped to about 90-ish before it climbed back up into the triple digits. Thankfully, the inside of the house never got above 90-91 F (about 32 C), and as I was raised by my grandparents (who had no AC) I was fine so long as I kept a fan on me. We've been lucky this year with a milder summer, but it's not unusual to see our heat waves hit the 104 F (around 40 C) mark.

The Brits can cry all they like. August in Alabama is practice for hell, folks.
 
2013-07-12 05:11:00 PM

supayoda: August in Alabama is practice for hell, folks.


In what way is that qualifier necessary?
 
2013-07-12 05:13:33 PM

advres: Don't they not put ice in drinks either?


I don't know about the UK, but when I was in Budapest and asked for ice in my coke, they looked at me like I had grown a second head.
 
2013-07-12 05:17:01 PM

FarkinNortherner: supayoda: August in Alabama is practice for hell, folks.

In what way is that qualifier necessary?


The rest of the year isn't practice, but +1 for what you did there.
 
2013-07-12 05:30:54 PM

Bungles: postnobills: jshine: postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

[whywouldyoudothat.jpg]

Why?  To keep cool.  Also unemployed at the moment so really nothing better to do all day...

Yup, the route out of unemployment is sitting on the Circle Line from dawn til dust!



1. With an iPhone/Pad and a data plan why can't I search and apply for jobs from a train?
2. The Overground circle route (not the Circle line - that's Underground) is actually closer to most of the places I'm applying to than my crapppy, boiling apartment.
 
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