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(Met Office News)   Heat wave panic sweeps England as temperatures are expected to reach the high 29-low 30 Celsius mark, which is known colloquially in Phoenix as 'Sweater Weather'   (metofficenews.wordpress.com) divider line 157
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2013-07-12 10:54:55 AM  
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at least it's not 45º.
 
2013-07-12 10:55:39 AM  
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2013-07-12 10:56:29 AM  
30 C and dry is awesome.  We had a week or so of that kind of weather up here in Northern Maine around the start of May.  Yes, it was really weird.  And awesome.
30 C and humid sucks ass (unless you got a nice beach breeze).
 
2013-07-12 10:57:04 AM  

12349876: CrazyCracka420: I envision people going into basements or cellars.

All those Europeans in their high rise apartment blocks, going from their 10th floor flat to their 9th floor cellar.  Makes perfect sense.


I gave many suggestions that should cover most scenarios.  Thanks for playing.
 
2013-07-12 10:58:20 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.


the deep lines on the tube are farking horrible in the summer. average temps have risen significantly since the system was built and it was never envisgaed that the tube would carry as many people as its carrying these days. AC would be insanely expensive

there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube
 
2013-07-12 10:58:59 AM  
I grew up in an old farm house. No insulation, no AC barely any heat.

We survived -40 to 105F (-40 to 38C) no problem. Jesus, get a fan drink some water.
 
2013-07-12 10:59:10 AM  
I'm bloody panicking because I wanted to go to Alton Towers on Sunday and this means it will be disgustingly busy

/pray for Omarion
 
2013-07-12 11:00:34 AM  

MyToeHurts: Really? Another thread comparing Englands temps to Arizona?


How about comparing England's temps to those here in New York State?  We're forecast to hit 28 degrees C today, 29 tomorrow, 31 on Sunday, and 32 on Monday and Tuesday.

Just a typical July.
 
2013-07-12 11:01:54 AM  

Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


Simple - replace each tile on the ceiling of the tube stations with tiles that are peltier devices so that they cool on the side facing the station, and on the other side have massive heatsinks that transfer heat to a layer above the tube station that reclaims the heat from the waste heat to electricity.
 
2013-07-12 11:03:03 AM  
Darwin always wins.
 
2013-07-12 11:03:57 AM  

RexTalionis: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

Simple - replace each tile on the ceiling of the tube stations with tiles that are peltier devices so that they cool on the side facing the station, and on the other side have massive heatsinks that transfer heat to a layer above the tube station that reclaims the heat from the waste heat to electricity.


i understood not a word of that but dude, submit your idea. remember me if you win
 
2013-07-12 11:04:35 AM  
It's bloody hot out, everyone into the Channel.
 
2013-07-12 11:05:08 AM  

RexTalionis: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

Simple - replace each tile on the ceiling of the tube stations with tiles that are peltier devices so that they cool on the side facing the station, and on the other side have massive heatsinks that transfer heat to a layer above the tube station that reclaims the heat from the waste heat to electricity.


It's the trains that get unbearable, not the stations.
 
2013-07-12 11:06:01 AM  

Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


are there not ventilation shafts?
 
2013-07-12 11:07:51 AM  

Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


it worked for the discovery of longitude - though it did take some 100 years or so.
 
2013-07-12 11:09:06 AM  

loonatic112358: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

are there not ventilation shafts?


wrong person to arks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling
 
2013-07-12 11:11:11 AM  
30C?!  Truly, there is no God.

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2013-07-12 11:11:19 AM  
Most Americans don't realize that the weather in Western Europe is much less extreme in both summer and winter than it is in the US.  West European summer temps don't get that warm, and winter temps don't drop very far below freezing.   Compare that to NYC for example. New York summers are tropical, yet winters can be quite cold.  I had relatives from Vienna visiting during Christmas/New Year.  They were very surprised to find out how cold New York can get in January.
 
2013-07-12 11:11:25 AM  

Lady J: I'm no expert but...: To be honest, there is a perfectly reasonable chance it will snow tomorrow.

/Not really seeing a lot of panic, 'cept maybe for getting BBQ stuff beofre is sells out.

quite. zero panic

that said I work in a hospital and we have to deploy our 'heatwave plan' if it hits 32 deg tomorrow.

the elderly struggle to cope


It might help if they took off their wool cardigans.
 
2013-07-12 11:13:32 AM  
I keep my house at like 80 degrees F. And I am pregnant.

Every summer even though people know it gets super hot (and humid during the monsoon season) here in Phoenix, I still hear about some out of towner guy running up Camelback Mountain with his Big Gulp of Mountain Dew and coming close to if not dying from the heat. If your body isn't prepared and you aren't used to hydrating it can be a shocking thing.

I would probably die of prolonged exposure of anything below 32 degrees F.

/Some like it hot
 
2013-07-12 11:14:10 AM  

Lady J: RickyWilliams'sBong: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.

the deep lines on the tube are farking horrible in the summer. average temps have risen significantly since the system was built and it was never envisgaed that the tube would carry as many people as its carrying these days. AC would be insanely expensive

there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube



It is a tube -- why not just blow air through it?  If it's 85 outside, it wouldn't get any cooler than 85 in the tube, but at least it would limit the temperature rise above ambient.  Air conditioning is expensive, but fans are (relatively) cheap.
 
2013-07-12 11:14:43 AM  
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HELLOOOOOOO Is this Thread on?!?!?
 
2013-07-12 11:15:53 AM  

Lady J: loonatic112358: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

are there not ventilation shafts?

wrong person to arks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling


Looks like there might be some?

I'm not really sure, the wiki article isn't entirely helpful, and I don't have time to research it.
 
2013-07-12 11:16:06 AM  

Lexx: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

Dude, 29-30 is not dangerous weather, unless humidity pushes it into the upper 30's.


Like say when you have 90-95% humidity and temperatures up to 30 degrees Celsius?
 
2013-07-12 11:17:03 AM  

Fissile: Most Americans don't realize that the weather in Western Europe is much less extreme in both summer and winter than it is in the US.  West European summer temps don't get that warm, and winter temps don't drop very far below freezing.   Compare that to NYC for example. New York summers are tropical, yet winters can be quite cold.  I had relatives from Vienna visiting during Christmas/New Year.  They were very surprised to find out how cold New York can get in January.


I'm from Minnesota -- land of 38 C (and humid!) in the summer and -30 C in the winter, so its hard to muster up much sympathy.
 
2013-07-12 11:17:19 AM  

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Well, we conservatives don't have the humor that everyone else has, where they find the wholesale slaughter of millions of unborn hysterical, but hey, we can't all set the bar as low as you.
 
2013-07-12 11:17:29 AM  

limeyfellow: Lexx: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

Dude, 29-30 is not dangerous weather, unless humidity pushes it into the upper 30's.

Like say when you have 90-95% humidity and temperatures up to 30 degrees Celsius?


===============

Been like that in New York for 3 weeks now.
 
2013-07-12 11:18:17 AM  

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RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's or 70's to me.


Over the winter when Calilfornia had one of their "cold waves" where the temps dropped to the 40s overnight, I was reminded that this is a terrible thing because many California home don't have central heat.

THE MORAL OF THE STORY: Stupid libs in California and England don't plan for future weather disasters and then come running to the feds for help when bad things happen.
 
2013-07-12 11:21:55 AM  

Xai: we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.



Understandable. It's snowed here quite a few times in my life, but it hung out for like a minute and melted. We average around 300 sunny days a year. If I ever had to deal with a blizzard... it would be bad.


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2013-07-12 11:23:40 AM  

jshine: Lady J: RickyWilliams'sBong: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.

the deep lines on the tube are farking horrible in the summer. average temps have risen significantly since the system was built and it was never envisgaed that the tube would carry as many people as its carrying these days. AC would be insanely expensive

there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


It is a tube -- why not just blow air through it?  If it's 85 outside, it wouldn't get any cooler than 85 in the tube, but at least it would limit the temperature rise above ambient.  Air conditioning is expensive, but fans are (relatively) cheap.


It the temperature inside the tube trains that is the challenge, not the air in the tunnels/stations.
 
2013-07-12 11:24:27 AM  
84 and humid is a decent summer day in Pennsylvania. What is the big deal?
 
2013-07-12 11:25:57 AM  

ChipNASA: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x489]

HELLOOOOOOO Is this Thread on?!?!?


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oh, hai.
 
2013-07-12 11:26:31 AM  

dittybopper: MyToeHurts: Really? Another thread comparing Englands temps to Arizona?

How about comparing England's temps to those here in New York State?  We're forecast to hit 28 degrees C today, 29 tomorrow, 31 on Sunday, and 32 on Monday and Tuesday.

Just a typical July.


Hardly my point
 
2013-07-12 11:29:35 AM  

loonatic112358: Walker: 84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???

Hell in Texas, that's a lovely spring day, and we'll likely open the windows


I'd like to point out that it's 10:29 am and 86F here in Austin. The high is expected to be 102, which isn't the least bit unusual, and seriously Phoenix, how (and why) the hell do you do it? I'm pretty sure I'd bail if I had to deal with high 110's yearly.
 
2013-07-12 11:31:18 AM  

Lady J: i eat stacks of toast and marmite


Ick, you might as well eat road tar. The only reason I ever ate Marmite was because I couldn't get Vegemite. Fortunately, a local store is carrying Vegemite, again.

/actually like them both
//just prefer Vegemite because of the consistency
 
2013-07-12 11:35:07 AM  

ChipNASA: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x489]

HELLOOOOOOO Is this Thread on?!?!?


Turning a sweater weather thread into a sweater puppies thread?
It's a stretch, but well done.
 
2013-07-12 11:35:57 AM  
If 84 degrees causes a panic perhaps it is time the UK invests in a few AC units.

/nah, 84 degrees will never happen again
 
2013-07-12 11:36:45 AM  

I'm no expert but...: It the temperature inside the tube trains that is the challenge, not the air in the tunnels/stations.


Ahh; well in that case you'd just have to air-condition & deal with the fact that its not free.  There's no good way around it.
 
2013-07-12 11:41:02 AM  

Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence


Why is that? Over here decent window units can be had for  £100-200. Great ones aren't much more.  Running them for long periods of time can get expensive but if you install one and only use it a month or so out of the year it doesn't seem like it would be that much of a cost barrier.

Looking on Amazon.co.uk all I see (from 10 seconds of searching) are a handful of expensive portable units. Why aren't cheap-ish window air conditioners common, or even available, over there?

Xai: we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.


That's not exactly the same. I grew up in Phoenix. The only snow I ever saw (which was once) didn't even make it to the ground before it melted. Phoenix doesn't need slow plows. Ever year it seems like we hear how the UK needs air conditioning. If anything just to keep people alive a few times each summer.

/No central air in my home. Just 2 window units.
 
2013-07-12 11:42:17 AM  

Fissile: Like say when you have 90-95% humidity and temperatures up to 30 degrees Celsius?


Yeah, we call that 7:00 AM in the summertime in the south-east.  Doesn't get cooler as the day gets longer either.
 
2013-07-12 11:46:20 AM  

dittybopper: Nadie_AZ: And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.

This.  Maybe throw in a dash of salt now and then.  Or have some chicken soup, or other salty-ish broth for lunch, just to replace the electrolytes.

Even the elderly and infirm can survive heat waves if you keep them hydrated.  Really, that's pretty much all there is too it.


Hot Broth!  are you nuts?  Eat some salsa like anyone in the desert knows.  Dice a Tomatoes, a bit of onion, serrano pepper, and cilantro (if you can get it), half a tea spoon of salt and juice from half a key lime.  Grab a bag of salty corn chips, a cool beverage and find some shade.

What is it with Europe and their energy use?  Energy = quality of life, how hard is that to understand.  In evil capitalist America even the poorest Mexican in South Tucson has AC.  But in enlightened socialist UK poor people die when it hits 85 and the they can't figure out how to put a fairly normal HVAC system on their subway.  Here is a clue chumps.  If it is 80deg outside and your "Tube" is 110, BUY a FAN.
 
2013-07-12 11:48:06 AM  

ChipNASA: Sweater weather


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Nice
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2013-07-12 11:53:16 AM  
Will you marry me, TFette?
 
2013-07-12 11:54:04 AM  

MonoChango: If it is 80deg outside and your "Tube" is 110, BUY a FAN PUT ON MORE WOOL.

 
2013-07-12 11:59:04 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

Why is that? Over here decent window units can be had for  £100-200. Great ones aren't much more.  Running them for long periods of time can get expensive but if you install one and only use it a month or so out of the year it doesn't seem like it would be that much of a cost barrier.

Looking on Amazon.co.uk all I see (from 10 seconds of searching) are a handful of expensive portable units. Why aren't cheap-ish window air conditioners common, or even available, over there?


dunno. just not what people do. offices have AC, that have got lots of computers on the go.

other than that, it's just not what we spend money on. people would think you were wanton
 
2013-07-12 11:59:53 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Oooh 84. Nice.

But toss in 80% humidity and life sucks.

And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.


Gatorade or water is so easy to get yet people keep forgetting...
 
2013-07-12 12:00:30 PM  

MonoChango: Hot Broth!  are you nuts?  Eat some salsa like anyone in the desert knows.  Dice a Tomatoes, a bit of onion, serrano pepper, and cilantro (if you can get it), half a tea spoon of salt and juice from half a key lime.  Grab a bag of salty corn chips, a cool beverage and find some shade.


You don't have to eat it hot, but in actuality, having a hot beverage can be good on a hot day.

I know, sounds pretty stupid, right?  I thought so too, until I had (out of desperation for caffeine) some hot coffee one hot day.

Hell, if you get down to it, take a liter bottle of water, throw in a teaspoon of salt and two tablespoons of sugar, and drink that.

I presume everyone in Europe has access to water, salt, and sugar.
 
2013-07-12 12:02:38 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Ever year it seems like we hear how the UK needs air conditioning. If anything just to keep people alive a few times each summer.


If you were a politician in the UK, and really believed in Global Warming.  Wouldn't it be your duty to help the people of the UK by creating some incentives for cheap and available AC units?
 
2013-07-12 12:03:14 PM  

ChipNASA: Sweater weather


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God Bless you and m ay you hit the lottery 5 times this year.
 
2013-07-12 12:06:36 PM  
Chicago weather today vs london weather today, we have higher humidity but it is still beautiful out. farking whiney Brits!
 
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