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2013-07-12 09:04:59 AM  
The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.
 
2013-07-12 09:36:53 AM  
84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???
 
2013-07-12 09:38:49 AM  
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RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's or 70's to me.
 
2013-07-12 09:57:02 AM  

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.
 
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2013-07-12 10:17:05 AM  
we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.
 
2013-07-12 10:17:37 AM  

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


Dude, 29-30 is not dangerous weather, unless humidity pushes it into the upper 30's.
 
2013-07-12 10:18:42 AM  

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


It's definitely tragic when people die. With that said, a heat wave is not like a flood or an earthquake that is sudden and devastating. High temps can be managed and people can easily be moved to other locations in the community if it's an issue. Some of those deaths can be blamed on people just not knowing what to do, and other people not trying hard enough to solve problems.
 
2013-07-12 10:19:24 AM  
Here in PHX we have 3 seasons.....  spring, summer and HELL.

Seems like Europe is having a summer monsoon day.
 
2013-07-12 10:20:35 AM  
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2013-07-12 10:22:04 AM  
To be honest, there is a perfectly reasonable chance it will snow tomorrow.

/Not really seeing a lot of panic, 'cept maybe for getting BBQ stuff beofre is sells out.
 
2013-07-12 10:22:55 AM  

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


Something tells me they'll survive without AC when temperatures sky-rocket to 84 degrees Fahrenheit.  I envision people going into basements or cellars.  Keeping their windows closed during the day and the shades drawn to keep temperatures down. They may pull out fans, or try to stay cool by going to a pool or lake or river.

Or they may panic because, omg it's 84 degrees...

Welcome to the rest of the world England.
 
2013-07-12 10:24:28 AM  
We NYers call this "cookout/beach weather".  Welcome to our late springs/early summers England.
 
2013-07-12 10:24:36 AM  

Walker: 84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???


Hell in Texas, that's a lovely spring day, and we'll likely open the windows
 
2013-07-12 10:25:51 AM  

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.
 
2013-07-12 10:26:01 AM  

CrazyCracka420: I envision people going into basements or cellars.


All those Europeans in their high rise apartment blocks, going from their 10th floor flat to their 9th floor cellar.  Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-07-12 10:26:47 AM  

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion being farking old!

 
2013-07-12 10:28:05 AM  

I'm no expert but...: To be honest, there is a perfectly reasonable chance it will snow tomorrow.

/Not really seeing a lot of panic, 'cept maybe for getting BBQ stuff beofre is sells out.


quite. zero panic

that said I work in a hospital and we have to deploy our 'heatwave plan' if it hits 32 deg tomorrow.

the elderly struggle to cope
 
2013-07-12 10:28:25 AM  

INeedAName: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

It's definitely tragic when people die. With that said, a heat wave is not like a flood or an earthquake that is sudden and devastating. High temps can be managed and people can easily be moved to other locations in the community if it's an issue. Some of those deaths can be blamed on people just not knowing what to do, and other people not trying hard enough to solve problems.


So all those deaths were do to a lack of bootstraps? Got it. Just a little herd-thinning, folks. Nothing to see. Move along.
 
2013-07-12 10:30:40 AM  
oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR
 
2013-07-12 10:31:20 AM  
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RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's
1890's or 70's1790's to me.

There, fixed that for you.
 
2013-07-12 10:31:28 AM  
After studying that summer in Chicago when people dropped like flies, big cities take very seriously heat anomalies -- including getting proactive with delivering ice, making sure that the quiet old person who lives next door is OK, and acting on the fact that the old, very young and infirm are deadly vulnerable.

Given the fact that the old and poor person in an urban environment may have their windows nailed shut to keep out thieves and no money to afford air conditioning, everyone but the Soylent Corporation wants to help these people survive.
 
2013-07-12 10:32:32 AM  

Lady J: the elderly struggle to cope


Considering how often it seems the elderly are treated like shiat by their descendants makes it extra sad
 
2013-07-12 10:33:29 AM  

Walker: 84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???


loonatic112358: Hell in Texas, that's a lovely spring day, and we'll likely open the windows


That ain't no joke. It hit 107°(41.6° C) the other day. Of course, the 98% humidity didn't help. It felt like walking into the bathroom after someone has taken a really hot, steamy shower. You instantly start sweating and can barely breathe.
 
2013-07-12 10:34:10 AM  
Sweater weather


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2013-07-12 10:35:06 AM  
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2013-07-12 10:35:11 AM  
Meanwhile here in Atlanta the high today will be a pleasant 85.  This weekend it will be 81.

It's been a nice year for weather other than all of the rain.  I guess Sonny Perdue's rain prayer worked.
 
2013-07-12 10:36:03 AM  
Christ, England. Quit being such pussies.
 
2013-07-12 10:37:21 AM  
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2013-07-12 10:37:23 AM  

Lady J: THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR


Rule Britannia,
Britannia penny saves,
Britons' power bills shall be waived.
 
2013-07-12 10:38:50 AM  

Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR


I'm sure some parts of the British Empire could have used some A/C.

/Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
 
2013-07-12 10:39:52 AM  

abhorrent1: Christ, England. Quit being such pussies.


As much as I'd like to laugh at them, I can't. I mean, my ancestors moved to Texas, before 1900. Guess what? No air conditioning in those days. But, most houses, back then, took that into account, unlike most modern buildings.
 
2013-07-12 10:40:03 AM  
Oooh 84. Nice.

But toss in 80% humidity and life sucks.

And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.
 
2013-07-12 10:41:45 AM  

RexTalionis: Lady J: THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR

Rule Britannia,
Britannia penny saves,
Britons' power bills shall be waived.


Bill Bryson has written a great book about Britain called Notes From A Small Island, where he affectionately describes how we will tolerate real discomfort, so as not to 'make a fuss' or 'waste money' (my generation don't do this), and see things like cups of tea, and toast and marmite as a huge treat... 'ooh lovely, no just one slice thank you' (again, not my generation... i eat stacks of toast and marmite)

its a hangover from rationing I think
 
2013-07-12 10:42:01 AM  
How the hell does someone die in weather in the low 30s? I live in Denver its ranged between 34 and 37 all week. Many homes here aren't air conditioned. As far as I know there hasn't been a mass extinction of the old or infirm.

Does Europe run their elderly when it gets hot out? Like in Spain with the bulls but instead it's people with walkers charging down the street while the young and able bodied sprint away in terror? If so you should stop that.
 
2013-07-12 10:42:58 AM  
Even without AC if you have drinking water and a fan you should be fine.  People die because they don't listen to their bodies.
 
2013-07-12 10:42:58 AM  
It was 121 degrees here last week.....Fark you England!

I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....
 
2013-07-12 10:44:11 AM  

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Well, if they die because "didn't drink enough water, didn't open windows, didn't turn on fan", then yes, it is tragically funny because it was their own damned fault.  *DRINK*MORE*FARKING*WATER*.  If it's hot out, and you ain't gotta pee, you ain't drinking enough.

Now, I can understand people who might be bedridden having a problem there, but generally they would have people caring for them, no?

My father is 75 years old, going on 76.  I just helped him put his air conditioner in his den window so he has a refuge during the hottest days if he wants it, but we've already had a lot of hot, humid weather, and he coped fine by:

1. drinking enough fluids.
2. dressing appropriately in light, loose clothing
3. keeping his curtains closed during the day, and windows open at night when it was cooler.
4. running a small fan for air flow when necessary.

None of that stuff is rocket science.  Anyone of average intelligence should be able to figure it out, and it's not like Europe doesn't get occasional heat waves, so this shouldn't be a farkin' surprise to anyone older than, say, 10 years old.

Europe has had at least 3 heat waves in the last 10 years.  One could excuse not being prepared in 2003, perhaps, but certainly not in 2013.  Can't you guys print and distribute pamphlets about how to, you know, prevent dehydration by drinking fluids, especially those with appropriate levels of salt?
 
2013-07-12 10:44:12 AM  
Yesterday was the first sub-100° temperature in 42 days here in Phoenix.

/and now back to the sweater puppies
 
2013-07-12 10:44:46 AM  
Headline made me laugh about its "first world problems" aspect, but I do hope the poor, old and infirm do OK as England deals with unusual (for them) weather.

Indeed, "Expensive Cold Air" (thank you, Lady J) isn't universal there in homes, commercial buildings, hotels, restaurants, cars, and so on. This is also true of all but the very newest Underground trains and busses as well, IIRC.

/Mild English weather traditionally very good for gardening, of course
 
2013-07-12 10:45:24 AM  
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2013-07-12 10:45:51 AM  
mid 80s is a tad warm... just avoid any strenuous activity and drink some water from time to time.

I remember in june of last year, riding my motorcycle in 104 degree heat with high humidity. imagine wearing a leather jacket, gloves, and thick kevlar jeans inside a blast furnace and you'll have an idea of my ride home from work that day.

THAT is a heatwave... mid 80s in the middle of summer is not.
 
2013-07-12 10:48:05 AM  

Lady J: RexTalionis: Lady J: THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR

Rule Britannia,
Britannia penny saves,
Britons' power bills shall be waived.

Bill Bryson has written a great book about Britain called Notes From A Small Island, where he affectionately describes how we will tolerate real discomfort, so as not to 'make a fuss' or 'waste money' (my generation don't do this), and see things like cups of tea, and toast and marmite as a huge treat... 'ooh lovely, no just one slice thank you' (again, not my generation... i eat stacks of toast and marmite)

its a hangover from rationing I think


You kids today, so spoiled with your toast and marmite. In my youth, I ate dirt and I was quite pleased to get it! I had to make my own clothing right after my own birth with my own bare hands out of the common sod and some earthworms strung together to form  thread. I didn't even have any feet until I bartered for it with labor of my own brow's sweat.
 
2013-07-12 10:48:33 AM  
Thank you ChipNASA
 
2013-07-12 10:49:27 AM  

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Your derp got lost on its way to the Politcs tab, I see.
 
2013-07-12 10:49:52 AM  

Nadie_AZ: And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.


This.  Maybe throw in a dash of salt now and then.  Or have some chicken soup, or other salty-ish broth for lunch, just to replace the electrolytes.

Even the elderly and infirm can survive heat waves if you keep them hydrated.  Really, that's pretty much all there is too it.
 
2013-07-12 10:50:19 AM  

chevydeuce: It was 121 degrees here last week.....Fark you England!

I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....


I doubt many poeple in England consider 29-30 Celsius 'extreme' either. 35 Celsuis? Yeah, for us that's getting 'extreme'.
 
2013-07-12 10:51:12 AM  
Really? Another thread comparing Englands temps to Arizona?
 
2013-07-12 10:52:22 AM  

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.
 
2013-07-12 10:53:06 AM  

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Blizzard of '78, there was a segment on the tv where they interviewed some people in the deep South about what was happening in New England.  One guy actually said, "Let the bastards freeze to death in the dark."
 
2013-07-12 10:54:14 AM  
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2013-07-12 10:54:55 AM  
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at least it's not 45º.
 
2013-07-12 10:55:39 AM  
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2013-07-12 10:56:29 AM  
30 C and dry is awesome.  We had a week or so of that kind of weather up here in Northern Maine around the start of May.  Yes, it was really weird.  And awesome.
30 C and humid sucks ass (unless you got a nice beach breeze).
 
2013-07-12 10:57:04 AM  

12349876: CrazyCracka420: I envision people going into basements or cellars.

All those Europeans in their high rise apartment blocks, going from their 10th floor flat to their 9th floor cellar.  Makes perfect sense.


I gave many suggestions that should cover most scenarios.  Thanks for playing.
 
2013-07-12 10:58:20 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.


the deep lines on the tube are farking horrible in the summer. average temps have risen significantly since the system was built and it was never envisgaed that the tube would carry as many people as its carrying these days. AC would be insanely expensive

there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube
 
2013-07-12 10:58:59 AM  
I grew up in an old farm house. No insulation, no AC barely any heat.

We survived -40 to 105F (-40 to 38C) no problem. Jesus, get a fan drink some water.
 
2013-07-12 10:59:10 AM  
I'm bloody panicking because I wanted to go to Alton Towers on Sunday and this means it will be disgustingly busy

/pray for Omarion
 
2013-07-12 11:00:34 AM  

MyToeHurts: Really? Another thread comparing Englands temps to Arizona?


How about comparing England's temps to those here in New York State?  We're forecast to hit 28 degrees C today, 29 tomorrow, 31 on Sunday, and 32 on Monday and Tuesday.

Just a typical July.
 
2013-07-12 11:01:54 AM  

Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


Simple - replace each tile on the ceiling of the tube stations with tiles that are peltier devices so that they cool on the side facing the station, and on the other side have massive heatsinks that transfer heat to a layer above the tube station that reclaims the heat from the waste heat to electricity.
 
2013-07-12 11:03:03 AM  
Darwin always wins.
 
2013-07-12 11:03:57 AM  

RexTalionis: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

Simple - replace each tile on the ceiling of the tube stations with tiles that are peltier devices so that they cool on the side facing the station, and on the other side have massive heatsinks that transfer heat to a layer above the tube station that reclaims the heat from the waste heat to electricity.


i understood not a word of that but dude, submit your idea. remember me if you win
 
2013-07-12 11:04:35 AM  
It's bloody hot out, everyone into the Channel.
 
2013-07-12 11:05:08 AM  

RexTalionis: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

Simple - replace each tile on the ceiling of the tube stations with tiles that are peltier devices so that they cool on the side facing the station, and on the other side have massive heatsinks that transfer heat to a layer above the tube station that reclaims the heat from the waste heat to electricity.


It's the trains that get unbearable, not the stations.
 
2013-07-12 11:06:01 AM  

Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


are there not ventilation shafts?
 
2013-07-12 11:07:51 AM  

Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


it worked for the discovery of longitude - though it did take some 100 years or so.
 
2013-07-12 11:09:06 AM  

loonatic112358: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

are there not ventilation shafts?


wrong person to arks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling
 
2013-07-12 11:11:11 AM  
30C?!  Truly, there is no God.

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2013-07-12 11:11:19 AM  
Most Americans don't realize that the weather in Western Europe is much less extreme in both summer and winter than it is in the US.  West European summer temps don't get that warm, and winter temps don't drop very far below freezing.   Compare that to NYC for example. New York summers are tropical, yet winters can be quite cold.  I had relatives from Vienna visiting during Christmas/New Year.  They were very surprised to find out how cold New York can get in January.
 
2013-07-12 11:11:25 AM  

Lady J: I'm no expert but...: To be honest, there is a perfectly reasonable chance it will snow tomorrow.

/Not really seeing a lot of panic, 'cept maybe for getting BBQ stuff beofre is sells out.

quite. zero panic

that said I work in a hospital and we have to deploy our 'heatwave plan' if it hits 32 deg tomorrow.

the elderly struggle to cope


It might help if they took off their wool cardigans.
 
2013-07-12 11:13:32 AM  
I keep my house at like 80 degrees F. And I am pregnant.

Every summer even though people know it gets super hot (and humid during the monsoon season) here in Phoenix, I still hear about some out of towner guy running up Camelback Mountain with his Big Gulp of Mountain Dew and coming close to if not dying from the heat. If your body isn't prepared and you aren't used to hydrating it can be a shocking thing.

I would probably die of prolonged exposure of anything below 32 degrees F.

/Some like it hot
 
2013-07-12 11:14:10 AM  

Lady J: RickyWilliams'sBong: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.

the deep lines on the tube are farking horrible in the summer. average temps have risen significantly since the system was built and it was never envisgaed that the tube would carry as many people as its carrying these days. AC would be insanely expensive

there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube



It is a tube -- why not just blow air through it?  If it's 85 outside, it wouldn't get any cooler than 85 in the tube, but at least it would limit the temperature rise above ambient.  Air conditioning is expensive, but fans are (relatively) cheap.
 
2013-07-12 11:14:43 AM  
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HELLOOOOOOO Is this Thread on?!?!?
 
2013-07-12 11:15:53 AM  

Lady J: loonatic112358: Lady J: there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube

are there not ventilation shafts?

wrong person to arks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling


Looks like there might be some?

I'm not really sure, the wiki article isn't entirely helpful, and I don't have time to research it.
 
2013-07-12 11:16:06 AM  

Lexx: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

Dude, 29-30 is not dangerous weather, unless humidity pushes it into the upper 30's.


Like say when you have 90-95% humidity and temperatures up to 30 degrees Celsius?
 
2013-07-12 11:17:03 AM  

Fissile: Most Americans don't realize that the weather in Western Europe is much less extreme in both summer and winter than it is in the US.  West European summer temps don't get that warm, and winter temps don't drop very far below freezing.   Compare that to NYC for example. New York summers are tropical, yet winters can be quite cold.  I had relatives from Vienna visiting during Christmas/New Year.  They were very surprised to find out how cold New York can get in January.


I'm from Minnesota -- land of 38 C (and humid!) in the summer and -30 C in the winter, so its hard to muster up much sympathy.
 
2013-07-12 11:17:19 AM  

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Well, we conservatives don't have the humor that everyone else has, where they find the wholesale slaughter of millions of unborn hysterical, but hey, we can't all set the bar as low as you.
 
2013-07-12 11:17:29 AM  

limeyfellow: Lexx: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

Dude, 29-30 is not dangerous weather, unless humidity pushes it into the upper 30's.

Like say when you have 90-95% humidity and temperatures up to 30 degrees Celsius?


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Been like that in New York for 3 weeks now.
 
2013-07-12 11:18:17 AM  

SlothB77: [cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com image 600x600]

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's or 70's to me.


Over the winter when Calilfornia had one of their "cold waves" where the temps dropped to the 40s overnight, I was reminded that this is a terrible thing because many California home don't have central heat.

THE MORAL OF THE STORY: Stupid libs in California and England don't plan for future weather disasters and then come running to the feds for help when bad things happen.
 
2013-07-12 11:21:55 AM  

Xai: we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.



Understandable. It's snowed here quite a few times in my life, but it hung out for like a minute and melted. We average around 300 sunny days a year. If I ever had to deal with a blizzard... it would be bad.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-12 11:23:40 AM  

jshine: Lady J: RickyWilliams'sBong: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.

the deep lines on the tube are farking horrible in the summer. average temps have risen significantly since the system was built and it was never envisgaed that the tube would carry as many people as its carrying these days. AC would be insanely expensive

there is a longstanding open challenge where you win a biggish sum of money if you can come up with a way of cooling the tube


It is a tube -- why not just blow air through it?  If it's 85 outside, it wouldn't get any cooler than 85 in the tube, but at least it would limit the temperature rise above ambient.  Air conditioning is expensive, but fans are (relatively) cheap.


It the temperature inside the tube trains that is the challenge, not the air in the tunnels/stations.
 
2013-07-12 11:24:27 AM  
84 and humid is a decent summer day in Pennsylvania. What is the big deal?
 
2013-07-12 11:25:57 AM  

ChipNASA: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x489]

HELLOOOOOOO Is this Thread on?!?!?


lh6.ggpht.com

oh, hai.
 
2013-07-12 11:26:31 AM  

dittybopper: MyToeHurts: Really? Another thread comparing Englands temps to Arizona?

How about comparing England's temps to those here in New York State?  We're forecast to hit 28 degrees C today, 29 tomorrow, 31 on Sunday, and 32 on Monday and Tuesday.

Just a typical July.


Hardly my point
 
2013-07-12 11:29:35 AM  

loonatic112358: Walker: 84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???

Hell in Texas, that's a lovely spring day, and we'll likely open the windows


I'd like to point out that it's 10:29 am and 86F here in Austin. The high is expected to be 102, which isn't the least bit unusual, and seriously Phoenix, how (and why) the hell do you do it? I'm pretty sure I'd bail if I had to deal with high 110's yearly.
 
2013-07-12 11:31:18 AM  

Lady J: i eat stacks of toast and marmite


Ick, you might as well eat road tar. The only reason I ever ate Marmite was because I couldn't get Vegemite. Fortunately, a local store is carrying Vegemite, again.

/actually like them both
//just prefer Vegemite because of the consistency
 
2013-07-12 11:35:07 AM  

ChipNASA: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x489]

HELLOOOOOOO Is this Thread on?!?!?


Turning a sweater weather thread into a sweater puppies thread?
It's a stretch, but well done.
 
2013-07-12 11:35:57 AM  
If 84 degrees causes a panic perhaps it is time the UK invests in a few AC units.

/nah, 84 degrees will never happen again
 
2013-07-12 11:36:45 AM  

I'm no expert but...: It the temperature inside the tube trains that is the challenge, not the air in the tunnels/stations.


Ahh; well in that case you'd just have to air-condition & deal with the fact that its not free.  There's no good way around it.
 
2013-07-12 11:41:02 AM  

Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence


Why is that? Over here decent window units can be had for  £100-200. Great ones aren't much more.  Running them for long periods of time can get expensive but if you install one and only use it a month or so out of the year it doesn't seem like it would be that much of a cost barrier.

Looking on Amazon.co.uk all I see (from 10 seconds of searching) are a handful of expensive portable units. Why aren't cheap-ish window air conditioners common, or even available, over there?

Xai: we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.


That's not exactly the same. I grew up in Phoenix. The only snow I ever saw (which was once) didn't even make it to the ground before it melted. Phoenix doesn't need slow plows. Ever year it seems like we hear how the UK needs air conditioning. If anything just to keep people alive a few times each summer.

/No central air in my home. Just 2 window units.
 
2013-07-12 11:42:17 AM  

Fissile: Like say when you have 90-95% humidity and temperatures up to 30 degrees Celsius?


Yeah, we call that 7:00 AM in the summertime in the south-east.  Doesn't get cooler as the day gets longer either.
 
2013-07-12 11:46:20 AM  

dittybopper: Nadie_AZ: And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.

This.  Maybe throw in a dash of salt now and then.  Or have some chicken soup, or other salty-ish broth for lunch, just to replace the electrolytes.

Even the elderly and infirm can survive heat waves if you keep them hydrated.  Really, that's pretty much all there is too it.


Hot Broth!  are you nuts?  Eat some salsa like anyone in the desert knows.  Dice a Tomatoes, a bit of onion, serrano pepper, and cilantro (if you can get it), half a tea spoon of salt and juice from half a key lime.  Grab a bag of salty corn chips, a cool beverage and find some shade.

What is it with Europe and their energy use?  Energy = quality of life, how hard is that to understand.  In evil capitalist America even the poorest Mexican in South Tucson has AC.  But in enlightened socialist UK poor people die when it hits 85 and the they can't figure out how to put a fairly normal HVAC system on their subway.  Here is a clue chumps.  If it is 80deg outside and your "Tube" is 110, BUY a FAN.
 
2013-07-12 11:48:06 AM  

ChipNASA: Sweater weather


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Nice
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2013-07-12 11:53:16 AM  
Will you marry me, TFette?
 
2013-07-12 11:54:04 AM  

MonoChango: If it is 80deg outside and your "Tube" is 110, BUY a FAN PUT ON MORE WOOL.

 
2013-07-12 11:59:04 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

Why is that? Over here decent window units can be had for  £100-200. Great ones aren't much more.  Running them for long periods of time can get expensive but if you install one and only use it a month or so out of the year it doesn't seem like it would be that much of a cost barrier.

Looking on Amazon.co.uk all I see (from 10 seconds of searching) are a handful of expensive portable units. Why aren't cheap-ish window air conditioners common, or even available, over there?


dunno. just not what people do. offices have AC, that have got lots of computers on the go.

other than that, it's just not what we spend money on. people would think you were wanton
 
2013-07-12 11:59:53 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Oooh 84. Nice.

But toss in 80% humidity and life sucks.

And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.


Gatorade or water is so easy to get yet people keep forgetting...
 
2013-07-12 12:00:30 PM  

MonoChango: Hot Broth!  are you nuts?  Eat some salsa like anyone in the desert knows.  Dice a Tomatoes, a bit of onion, serrano pepper, and cilantro (if you can get it), half a tea spoon of salt and juice from half a key lime.  Grab a bag of salty corn chips, a cool beverage and find some shade.


You don't have to eat it hot, but in actuality, having a hot beverage can be good on a hot day.

I know, sounds pretty stupid, right?  I thought so too, until I had (out of desperation for caffeine) some hot coffee one hot day.

Hell, if you get down to it, take a liter bottle of water, throw in a teaspoon of salt and two tablespoons of sugar, and drink that.

I presume everyone in Europe has access to water, salt, and sugar.
 
2013-07-12 12:02:38 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Ever year it seems like we hear how the UK needs air conditioning. If anything just to keep people alive a few times each summer.


If you were a politician in the UK, and really believed in Global Warming.  Wouldn't it be your duty to help the people of the UK by creating some incentives for cheap and available AC units?
 
2013-07-12 12:03:14 PM  

ChipNASA: Sweater weather


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God Bless you and m ay you hit the lottery 5 times this year.
 
2013-07-12 12:06:36 PM  
Chicago weather today vs london weather today, we have higher humidity but it is still beautiful out. farking whiney Brits!
 
2013-07-12 12:11:39 PM  

dittybopper: MonoChango: Hot Broth!  are you nuts?  Eat some salsa like anyone in the desert knows.  Dice a Tomatoes, a bit of onion, serrano pepper, and cilantro (if you can get it), half a tea spoon of salt and juice from half a key lime.  Grab a bag of salty corn chips, a cool beverage and find some shade.

You don't have to eat it hot, but in actuality, having a hot beverage can be good on a hot day.

I know, sounds pretty stupid, right?  I thought so too, until I had (out of desperation for caffeine) some hot coffee one hot day.

Hell, if you get down to it, take a liter bottle of water, throw in a teaspoon of salt and two tablespoons of sugar, and drink that.

I presume everyone in Europe has access to water, salt, and sugar.


True, I live in the desert and keep those little packets of salt from Wendy's, and some jolly ranchers, in my glove box.  Bottle of water, salt, sugar will get you through, but salsa opens up your pores and release endorphins as well.  Plus if your beverage has salt on the rim, and tequila and ice in the glass, you just don't care if it is 105 and 80% humility.
 
2013-07-12 12:14:40 PM  
English cars don't have AC?

I'm so jealous of their weight-savings.
 
2013-07-12 12:14:54 PM  

chevydeuce: I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....


85F/30C degrees isn't even extreme in Seattle, which has a similar climate to England and where residential A/C is also a rarity.  Panic time starts at around 95F/35C and gets worse from there.


/experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade
 
2013-07-12 12:19:29 PM  

fnordest: Yesterday was the first sub-100° temperature in 42 days here in Phoenix.

/and now back to the sweater puppies


It was downright chilly.  Wish it would have rained, though.  Mother Nature teased us with those clouds and wind...
 
2013-07-12 12:33:55 PM  
News flash: the usual temperatures in some places are higher than they are in others.
 
2013-07-12 12:34:44 PM  

Dinjiin: /experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade


Where the heck were you?  Yuma?  That there is rule number 2

Desert rule #1:  Water is life.  Know the symptoms of dehydration:  Head Ache, Nausea, Tremors, Disorientation.
Desert rule #2:  Don't Touch Anything.   Metal, rocks, dirt, glass, trees, bushes, cacti, and anything that moves: all = PAIN.   Keep an oven mitt or leather work gloves, in your car if you don't have a sun shield.
Desert rule #3:  Shun the sun.  If there is a sliver of shade behind a stop sign, stand there.  Do NOT take public transportation unless the stop has shade, 15 minutes late bus can kill the old and weak.
 
2013-07-12 12:37:28 PM  
My mother is 84 and in the UK and she drinks about 200ml of water a day "to take my pills".

I say to her "You should drink more water" to which she says "I`m fine, I drink plenty of tea" which means about 3 more 200ml cups of tea for a total of about half what she should have even if it were pure water.

If she were on her own and heat like this happened she would just keel over and that would be that.

It`s not the heat it`s the lack of hydration in the ill, weak and old.

DRNK SOME WATER YOU FECKERS, IT`S NOT POISON!
 
2013-07-12 12:38:32 PM  

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


The building materials used are also different. A tin roof could turn a small apartment into an oven.
 
2013-07-12 12:38:51 PM  

MonoChango: Dinjiin: /experienced 120F/49C for the first time last month
//at that point, the problem isn't the air temperature, but that everything you touch will burn your hands unless it is in the shade

Where the heck were you?  Yuma?  That there is rule number 2

Desert rule #1:  Water is life.  Know the symptoms of dehydration:  Head Ache, Nausea, Tremors, Disorientation.
Desert rule #2:  Don't Touch Anything.   Metal, rocks, dirt, glass, trees, bushes, cacti, and anything that moves: all = PAIN.   Keep an oven mitt or leather work gloves, in your car if you don't have a sun shield.
Desert rule #3:  Shun the sun.  If there is a sliver of shade behind a stop sign, stand there.  Do NOT take public transportation unless the stop has shade, 15 minutes late bus can kill the old and weak.


Also this
 
2013-07-12 12:39:14 PM  

MonoChango: Where the heck were you? Yuma? That there is rule number 2


Was passing through El Centro.  Yuma was only 118F.
 
2013-07-12 12:43:37 PM  
words of wisdom.

i.chzbgr.com

looks like she has the a/c turned on.
 
2013-07-12 12:46:06 PM  

Bontesla: A tin roof could turn a small apartment into an oven.


And make things rather unpleasant for the cat.
 
2013-07-12 12:46:50 PM  
It's supposed to be 101 (F) here today (in Dallas). So, uh, Europe, I kinda feel your pain ...
 
2013-07-12 12:50:22 PM  
Yay! I can turn my AC on for the second time ever. Assuming it still works.

The only obvious explanations for the lack of availability of window rattlers are that most people don't have vertical sliding windows and a lack of demand. The mean high in July is only 73F.
 
2013-07-12 12:53:48 PM  
For those of us in the desert southwest, it's that time of year again. Monsoon season. Everybody who uses swamp coolers dreads this time of year. Here in Las Vegas, it's 83F/28C, with 53% humidity. Inside my swamp cooled house, it's 74F - and close to 100% humidity. Everything in the house is damp. With that said, I occasionally get asked about why I don't get air conditioning. The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.

On the one hand, Europeans are probably going to wind up installing more and more A/C as things heat up. On the other hand, they're not going to be happy about their power bills.
 
2013-07-12 12:54:59 PM  
When I was in Switzerland a few summers back for a week-long conference, the organizers had us at some lakeside mountain retreat. Sounds idyllic, except that the humidity was over 90%, the rooms we stayed in had ceiling fans that spun at moderate speed at best, and after breakfast it was almost impossible to get substantial quantities of anything to drink that wasn't wine. By the time I headed back for an overnight in Zurich before flying home, I was feeling sick from lack of sleep (too uncomfortable) and dehydration. I was trying not to be the stereotypical American at McDonald's, but it was the only damn place where I could get something to drink that was more than 10 oz. and that was actually cold, never mind having ice. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Europeans are unprepared for hot weather.

/grew up in a mostly Irish neighborhood in NYC - immigrants would drop like flies if the temps were over 80F
 
2013-07-12 12:57:28 PM  

dready zim: "I`m fine, I drink plenty of tea"


Caffeine also is bad for hydration.  It makes you pee out all the water it came with.
Let me reiterate 1: WATER is life, NOT: Tea, Diet Coke, Red Bull, Mt Dew or Coffee.  Gatorade also works but that is just water with electrolytes and sugar.
So yes Zim, you hit the nail on the head: Drink! You Farkers!  Drink until you think your going to puke, then back it up with a salt tablet and some hard candy, or if you can stand the taste; Gatorade.


Dinjiin: MonoChango: Where the heck were you? Yuma? That there is rule number 2

Was passing through El Centro.  Yuma was only 118F.


With the humidity, I think Yuma is worse.  If you are in a low humidity desert (California near Mohave, or Ridgecrest) also be aware of the diurnal temp swings.  I've been on lake beds where it was 100+ during the day and 55 at night. People have died of hypothermia in the summer in the desert.
 
2013-07-12 12:57:46 PM  

Dinjiin: MonoChango: Where the heck were you? Yuma? That there is rule number 2

Was passing through El Centro.  Yuma was only 118F.


belated welcome and goodbye to and from my neckof the woods....
 
2013-07-12 12:58:58 PM  
Thanks, O'Cameron.
 
2013-07-12 01:05:34 PM  

iToad: The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.


I've got both but this last June the water bill was killing me.  I might think about just going full AC next year to see if which is higher.  Or maybe it's time to replace the whole thing with one of those new fangled super high efficiency heat pumps.
 
2013-07-12 01:06:45 PM  

MonoChango: dready zim: "I`m fine, I drink plenty of tea"

Caffeine also is bad for hydration.  It makes you pee out all the water it came with.


My point exactly. Old people think any liquid is as good as water for rehydration.
 
2013-07-12 01:09:47 PM  

Girion47: English cars don't have AC?

I'm so jealous of their weight-savings.


===============

And Albanian cars don't have license plates, lock cylinders, or VIN numbers.  Talk about shaving off every last bit of excess weight!
 
2013-07-12 01:13:17 PM  

MonoChango: iToad: The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.

I've got both but this last June the water bill was killing me.  I might think about just going full AC next year to see if which is higher.  Or maybe it's time to replace the whole thing with one of those new fangled super high efficiency heat pumps.


On humid days you coudl conceivably use condensate from your air conditioning to water your lawn.

Dallas's AC condensate was what kept Houston in fresh water during the 2010 drought.
 
2013-07-12 01:30:36 PM  
Hundreds of thousands of older Europeans live in my country, where 30C summers are the norm, and many of them don't have air conditioning.  They sit in front of an electric farking fan when it gets hot.

Granted, not one of them is particularly attractive and worth looking at in a 'sweater', but nor do they have a habit of dying en masse.
 
2013-07-12 01:33:14 PM  
www.srandaweb.com
 
2013-07-12 01:35:18 PM  

Lady J: dunno. just not what people do. offices have AC, that have got lots of computers on the go.

other than that, it's just not what we spend money on. people would think you were wanton


Eh, "we just don't" doesn't really make sense to me. Especially since this thing seems to happen every year. But I don't live there so I can't say for sure how nuts this behavior is or is not.

I also don't understand the idea that one should sacrifice their personal well being for the sake of what others might or might not think of them. I have 3 cars and 3 motorcycles. I have 4 ear piercings (2 lobe, 2 helix). I paint my nails from time to time. I dye my hair blue. I'm in my late 20's and an industry professional. I don't give a damn about what other people think about me. I'm in this life to keep myself happy, not to keep my neighbors happy. I don't make an ass of myself but I wont stop doing what makes me happy because someone else might not like it.

If being comfortable means that my neighbor would think that I'm wanton or daft or prat or barmy then so be it. I'll be the daft punk sitting comfy in my cooled home.Work It Make It Do It Makes Us Harder Better Faster Stronger.

I could have sworn that I saw a post where someone said that many places don't have vertically opening windows that accommodate the most common window units. This is a fair point. In that case a company could either engineer one that would work with more common local window styles or just find some way of making portible unti
 
2013-07-12 01:41:29 PM  
Ah, son of a biscuit. Let me continue where I accidentally left off.

This is a fair point. In that case a company could either engineer one that would work with more common local window styles or just find some way of making portableunits cheaper for the masses. I could see a government subsidy for one unit per home. Knock the price down by any amount. Even if you don't need large amounts of cooling air conditioners are great for removing humidity and making the room more comfortable that way. Hell, just do it for senior citizens at least seeing how they're more at risk of heat stroke than anyone else. Well, save for small children. Which would do back to the one-per-household thing.
 
2013-07-12 01:46:38 PM  

Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR


It was built on little brown men fanning Brits.
 
wee
2013-07-12 01:47:34 PM  

FlashHarry: that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat."


If people are whining about how 86 degrees is a heat wave, they deserve to be made fun of.
 
2013-07-12 01:49:41 PM  

YixilTesiphon: MonoChango: iToad: The reason is simple. Using swamp coolers instead of central air probably knocks about $250 - $300 off my power bill during July and August.

I've got both but this last June the water bill was killing me.  I might think about just going full AC next year to see if which is higher.  Or maybe it's time to replace the whole thing with one of those new fangled super high efficiency heat pumps.

On humid days you coudl conceivably use condensate from your air conditioning to water your lawn.

Dallas's AC condensate was what kept Houston in fresh water during the 2010 drought.


mmmmm legionella.
 
2013-07-12 01:58:07 PM  

ukexpat: News flash: the usual temperatures in some places are higher than they are in others.


News flash, that doesn't make the temperature "extreme".
 
2013-07-12 02:09:30 PM  

MonoChango: So yes Zim, you hit the nail on the head: Drink! You Farkers!  Drink until you think your going to puke, then back it up with a salt tablet and some hard candy, or if you can stand the taste; Gatorade.


"If you don't have to pee, you aren't drinking enough".
 
2013-07-12 02:12:13 PM  

wee: FlashHarry: that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat."

If people are whining about how 86 degrees is a heat wave, they deserve to be made fun of.


the temp was consistently over 100º and 70,000 people died, but whatever.
 
2013-07-12 02:25:29 PM  

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


Most of the people who died in France during that heatwave were the elderly who had been left alone by their families who popped off on their long summer vacation.
 
2013-07-12 02:34:54 PM  

SlothB77: [cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com image 600x600]

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's or 70's to me.


Having air-conditioning for the week a year it's needed doesn't make a lot of sense. There are non-insulated homes all across the southern US that turn to hell holes during the odd freak winter snowstorm.
 
2013-07-12 02:59:46 PM  
28 degrees C was the *low* here in my corner of Louisiana for several nights in a row this past month, and we regularly combine that with 75-80% relative humidity.  When it gets like that, it feels like someone's trying to smother you with a wet woolen towel every time you step outside at night.  And this is a comparatively cool summer.  We had several summers in a row where for weeks the nighttime temperatures wouldn't drop past 29 or even 30. Beetles the size of house cats swarm every light source at night, and the mosquitoes will try to carry you off to feed their burgeoning young.  Ahh, the joys of Lesser Florida, where a six pack of Abita and a bug zapper provide quality evening entertainment.
 
2013-07-12 03:32:59 PM  

CrazyCracka420: ukexpat: News flash: the usual temperatures in some places are higher than they are in others.

News flash, that doesn't make the temperature "extreme".


It's all relative.
 
2013-07-12 03:40:43 PM  
The tube can be deadly hot in this kind of weather but I've discovered the new Overground trains are air conditioned!  Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

Also, supermarkets must have AC by law.
 
2013-07-12 03:55:43 PM  

postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.


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2013-07-12 04:18:28 PM  

FlashHarry: the temp was consistently over 100º and 70,000 people died, but whatever.


In other words, not 86 degrees.  So, basically, a completely different situation than the one you are whining about.

Got it.
 
2013-07-12 04:39:03 PM  

jshine: postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

[whywouldyoudothat.jpg]


Why?  To keep cool.  Also unemployed at the moment so really nothing better to do all day...
 
2013-07-12 04:45:16 PM  
Don't they not put ice in drinks either?
 
2013-07-12 04:45:48 PM  
I'll be heading straight into that fiery inferno as I'm set to touch down in London Monday night.  I'll bring my sunglasses to ward off the ensuing onslaught of pasty flesh that's sure to ensue.

Having been through the whole "we don't need AC" BS when I moved to Seattle I suffered through one summer with week-long temps in the 100s before having central air installed.  Made it a snap to sell the house six years later as most folks moving from other parts of the US fully expect to have AC in a half-million dollar house for Pete's sake.

/Beer and AC are proof that God loves us -- Benny Franklin.
 
2013-07-12 04:49:00 PM  

postnobills: jshine: postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

[whywouldyoudothat.jpg]

Why?  To keep cool.  Also unemployed at the moment so really nothing better to do all day...


Yup, the route out of unemployment is sitting on the Circle Line from dawn til dust!
 
2013-07-12 04:54:45 PM  

wee: FlashHarry: the temp was consistently over 100º and 70,000 people died, but whatever.

In other words, not 86 degrees.  So, basically, a completely different situation than the one you are whining about.

Got it.


where was i whining about this one? i only said that i remembered the one in '03. sorry if that got on your wick.
 
2013-07-12 04:58:13 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Something tells me they'll survive without AC when temperatures sky-rocket to 84 degrees Fahrenheit.  I envision people going into basements or cellars.  Keeping their windows closed during the day and the shades drawn to keep temperatures down. They may pull out fans, or try to stay cool by going to a pool or lake or river.


My air conditioning went out last summer here in Alabama. Thankfully, we had a storm on that first day, so the temperature dropped to about 90-ish before it climbed back up into the triple digits. Thankfully, the inside of the house never got above 90-91 F (about 32 C), and as I was raised by my grandparents (who had no AC) I was fine so long as I kept a fan on me. We've been lucky this year with a milder summer, but it's not unusual to see our heat waves hit the 104 F (around 40 C) mark.

The Brits can cry all they like. August in Alabama is practice for hell, folks.
 
2013-07-12 05:11:00 PM  

supayoda: August in Alabama is practice for hell, folks.


In what way is that qualifier necessary?
 
2013-07-12 05:13:33 PM  

advres: Don't they not put ice in drinks either?


I don't know about the UK, but when I was in Budapest and asked for ice in my coke, they looked at me like I had grown a second head.
 
2013-07-12 05:17:01 PM  

FarkinNortherner: supayoda: August in Alabama is practice for hell, folks.

In what way is that qualifier necessary?


The rest of the year isn't practice, but +1 for what you did there.
 
2013-07-12 05:30:54 PM  

Bungles: postnobills: jshine: postnobills: Plus they've just completed their new circle route so you can ride around and around for hours with only a couple of quick changes.

[whywouldyoudothat.jpg]

Why?  To keep cool.  Also unemployed at the moment so really nothing better to do all day...

Yup, the route out of unemployment is sitting on the Circle Line from dawn til dust!



1. With an iPhone/Pad and a data plan why can't I search and apply for jobs from a train?
2. The Overground circle route (not the Circle line - that's Underground) is actually closer to most of the places I'm applying to than my crapppy, boiling apartment.
 
2013-07-12 05:39:19 PM  
30degC day and 15degC overnight with 95% to 100% humidity it just another Auckland NZ summer.

/ChipNASA is King shiat of this thread
 
2013-07-12 07:42:35 PM  

06Wahoo: cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.

Well, we conservatives don't have the humor that everyone else has, where they find the wholesale slaughter of millions of unborn hysterical, but hey, we can't all set the bar as low as you.


Something that was never born can't be slaughtered. Q.E.D.
 
2013-07-12 10:55:27 PM  
Let's see what happens when Phoenix hits a low of -30, or as we call it in Canada, Sweater Weather.
 
2013-07-13 08:38:15 AM  

Edgewood Dirk: Let's see what happens when Phoenix hits a low of -30, or as we call it in Canada, Sweater Weather.


hardly the same scale... -30 is considered "farking cold" by everyone on the planet and will in fact kill you if you don't have shelter and a source of heat.
+30 is considered pleasant or balmy by roughly half the planet.
 
2013-07-13 10:16:24 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Edgewood Dirk: Let's see what happens when Phoenix hits a low of -30, or as we call it in Canada, Sweater Weather.

hardly the same scale... -30 is considered "farking cold" by everyone on the planet and will in fact kill you if you don't have shelter and a source of heat.
+30 is considered pleasant or balmy by roughly half the planet.



-2C is considered spring in a lot of Northern Europe, Iceland, Greenland etc, but I bet that would savage the Phoenix elderly population.
 
2013-07-13 12:55:46 PM  

Farty McPooPants: It was downright chilly.  Wish it would have rained, though.  Mother Nature teased us with those clouds and wind...


Some lying bastards claim 32° is freezing, when I am sure it is 52°

I believe it rains somewhere in the valley (basin?) every day during monsoon season, just not enough.

/quail season soon
 
2013-07-13 12:59:44 PM  
sure that may be hot for there.

it's been high 20's, low 30's for a week and a half here in prairie Canada.


/NOTHING compared to what I heard it was in Palm Springs California last week ..... 56 Celsius?! damn nature, you scary !
 
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