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2013-07-12 09:04:59 AM
The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.
 
2013-07-12 09:36:53 AM
84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???
 
2013-07-12 09:38:49 AM
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RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's or 70's to me.
 
2013-07-12 09:57:02 AM

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.
 
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2013-07-12 10:17:05 AM
we don't have air conditioning in the same way that phoenix doesn't have a fleet of snow ploughs.
 
2013-07-12 10:17:37 AM

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


Dude, 29-30 is not dangerous weather, unless humidity pushes it into the upper 30's.
 
2013-07-12 10:18:42 AM

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


It's definitely tragic when people die. With that said, a heat wave is not like a flood or an earthquake that is sudden and devastating. High temps can be managed and people can easily be moved to other locations in the community if it's an issue. Some of those deaths can be blamed on people just not knowing what to do, and other people not trying hard enough to solve problems.
 
2013-07-12 10:19:24 AM
Here in PHX we have 3 seasons.....  spring, summer and HELL.

Seems like Europe is having a summer monsoon day.
 
2013-07-12 10:20:35 AM
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2013-07-12 10:22:04 AM
To be honest, there is a perfectly reasonable chance it will snow tomorrow.

/Not really seeing a lot of panic, 'cept maybe for getting BBQ stuff beofre is sells out.
 
2013-07-12 10:22:55 AM

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


Something tells me they'll survive without AC when temperatures sky-rocket to 84 degrees Fahrenheit.  I envision people going into basements or cellars.  Keeping their windows closed during the day and the shades drawn to keep temperatures down. They may pull out fans, or try to stay cool by going to a pool or lake or river.

Or they may panic because, omg it's 84 degrees...

Welcome to the rest of the world England.
 
2013-07-12 10:24:28 AM
We NYers call this "cookout/beach weather".  Welcome to our late springs/early summers England.
 
2013-07-12 10:24:36 AM

Walker: 84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???


Hell in Texas, that's a lovely spring day, and we'll likely open the windows
 
2013-07-12 10:25:51 AM

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.


To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.
 
2013-07-12 10:26:01 AM

CrazyCracka420: I envision people going into basements or cellars.


All those Europeans in their high rise apartment blocks, going from their 10th floor flat to their 9th floor cellar.  Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-07-12 10:26:47 AM

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion being farking old!

 
2013-07-12 10:28:05 AM

I'm no expert but...: To be honest, there is a perfectly reasonable chance it will snow tomorrow.

/Not really seeing a lot of panic, 'cept maybe for getting BBQ stuff beofre is sells out.


quite. zero panic

that said I work in a hospital and we have to deploy our 'heatwave plan' if it hits 32 deg tomorrow.

the elderly struggle to cope
 
2013-07-12 10:28:25 AM

INeedAName: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

It's definitely tragic when people die. With that said, a heat wave is not like a flood or an earthquake that is sudden and devastating. High temps can be managed and people can easily be moved to other locations in the community if it's an issue. Some of those deaths can be blamed on people just not knowing what to do, and other people not trying hard enough to solve problems.


So all those deaths were do to a lack of bootstraps? Got it. Just a little herd-thinning, folks. Nothing to see. Move along.
 
2013-07-12 10:30:40 AM
oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR
 
2013-07-12 10:31:20 AM
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RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

that just seems very backwards to me.  Going to a place with no air conditioning is like traveling back in time to the 1980's
1890's or 70's1790's to me.

There, fixed that for you.
 
2013-07-12 10:31:28 AM
After studying that summer in Chicago when people dropped like flies, big cities take very seriously heat anomalies -- including getting proactive with delivering ice, making sure that the quiet old person who lives next door is OK, and acting on the fact that the old, very young and infirm are deadly vulnerable.

Given the fact that the old and poor person in an urban environment may have their windows nailed shut to keep out thieves and no money to afford air conditioning, everyone but the Soylent Corporation wants to help these people survive.
 
2013-07-12 10:32:32 AM

Lady J: the elderly struggle to cope


Considering how often it seems the elderly are treated like shiat by their descendants makes it extra sad
 
2013-07-12 10:33:29 AM

Walker: 84 degrees?
How will they survive?
HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE???


loonatic112358: Hell in Texas, that's a lovely spring day, and we'll likely open the windows


That ain't no joke. It hit 107°(41.6° C) the other day. Of course, the 98% humidity didn't help. It felt like walking into the bathroom after someone has taken a really hot, steamy shower. You instantly start sweating and can barely breathe.
 
2013-07-12 10:34:10 AM
Sweater weather


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2013-07-12 10:35:06 AM
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2013-07-12 10:35:11 AM
Meanwhile here in Atlanta the high today will be a pleasant 85.  This weekend it will be 81.

It's been a nice year for weather other than all of the rain.  I guess Sonny Perdue's rain prayer worked.
 
2013-07-12 10:36:03 AM
Christ, England. Quit being such pussies.
 
2013-07-12 10:37:21 AM
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2013-07-12 10:37:23 AM

Lady J: THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR


Rule Britannia,
Britannia penny saves,
Britons' power bills shall be waived.
 
2013-07-12 10:38:50 AM

Lady J: oh and NOBODY has AC in the UK. maybe in handful of cars. are really really expensive hotels. but i dont know a single person with AC in their private residence

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR


I'm sure some parts of the British Empire could have used some A/C.

/Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
 
2013-07-12 10:39:52 AM

abhorrent1: Christ, England. Quit being such pussies.


As much as I'd like to laugh at them, I can't. I mean, my ancestors moved to Texas, before 1900. Guess what? No air conditioning in those days. But, most houses, back then, took that into account, unlike most modern buildings.
 
2013-07-12 10:40:03 AM
Oooh 84. Nice.

But toss in 80% humidity and life sucks.

And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.
 
2013-07-12 10:41:45 AM

RexTalionis: Lady J: THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR

Rule Britannia,
Britannia penny saves,
Britons' power bills shall be waived.


Bill Bryson has written a great book about Britain called Notes From A Small Island, where he affectionately describes how we will tolerate real discomfort, so as not to 'make a fuss' or 'waste money' (my generation don't do this), and see things like cups of tea, and toast and marmite as a huge treat... 'ooh lovely, no just one slice thank you' (again, not my generation... i eat stacks of toast and marmite)

its a hangover from rationing I think
 
2013-07-12 10:42:01 AM
How the hell does someone die in weather in the low 30s? I live in Denver its ranged between 34 and 37 all week. Many homes here aren't air conditioned. As far as I know there hasn't been a mass extinction of the old or infirm.

Does Europe run their elderly when it gets hot out? Like in Spain with the bulls but instead it's people with walkers charging down the street while the young and able bodied sprint away in terror? If so you should stop that.
 
2013-07-12 10:42:58 AM
Even without AC if you have drinking water and a fan you should be fine.  People die because they don't listen to their bodies.
 
2013-07-12 10:42:58 AM
It was 121 degrees here last week.....Fark you England!

I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....
 
2013-07-12 10:44:11 AM

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Well, if they die because "didn't drink enough water, didn't open windows, didn't turn on fan", then yes, it is tragically funny because it was their own damned fault.  *DRINK*MORE*FARKING*WATER*.  If it's hot out, and you ain't gotta pee, you ain't drinking enough.

Now, I can understand people who might be bedridden having a problem there, but generally they would have people caring for them, no?

My father is 75 years old, going on 76.  I just helped him put his air conditioner in his den window so he has a refuge during the hottest days if he wants it, but we've already had a lot of hot, humid weather, and he coped fine by:

1. drinking enough fluids.
2. dressing appropriately in light, loose clothing
3. keeping his curtains closed during the day, and windows open at night when it was cooler.
4. running a small fan for air flow when necessary.

None of that stuff is rocket science.  Anyone of average intelligence should be able to figure it out, and it's not like Europe doesn't get occasional heat waves, so this shouldn't be a farkin' surprise to anyone older than, say, 10 years old.

Europe has had at least 3 heat waves in the last 10 years.  One could excuse not being prepared in 2003, perhaps, but certainly not in 2013.  Can't you guys print and distribute pamphlets about how to, you know, prevent dehydration by drinking fluids, especially those with appropriate levels of salt?
 
2013-07-12 10:44:12 AM
Yesterday was the first sub-100° temperature in 42 days here in Phoenix.

/and now back to the sweater puppies
 
2013-07-12 10:44:46 AM
Headline made me laugh about its "first world problems" aspect, but I do hope the poor, old and infirm do OK as England deals with unusual (for them) weather.

Indeed, "Expensive Cold Air" (thank you, Lady J) isn't universal there in homes, commercial buildings, hotels, restaurants, cars, and so on. This is also true of all but the very newest Underground trains and busses as well, IIRC.

/Mild English weather traditionally very good for gardening, of course
 
2013-07-12 10:45:24 AM
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2013-07-12 10:45:51 AM
mid 80s is a tad warm... just avoid any strenuous activity and drink some water from time to time.

I remember in june of last year, riding my motorcycle in 104 degree heat with high humidity. imagine wearing a leather jacket, gloves, and thick kevlar jeans inside a blast furnace and you'll have an idea of my ride home from work that day.

THAT is a heatwave... mid 80s in the middle of summer is not.
 
2013-07-12 10:48:05 AM

Lady J: RexTalionis: Lady J: THE BRITISH EMPIRE WASNT BUILT ON EXPENSIVE COLD AIR

Rule Britannia,
Britannia penny saves,
Britons' power bills shall be waived.

Bill Bryson has written a great book about Britain called Notes From A Small Island, where he affectionately describes how we will tolerate real discomfort, so as not to 'make a fuss' or 'waste money' (my generation don't do this), and see things like cups of tea, and toast and marmite as a huge treat... 'ooh lovely, no just one slice thank you' (again, not my generation... i eat stacks of toast and marmite)

its a hangover from rationing I think


You kids today, so spoiled with your toast and marmite. In my youth, I ate dirt and I was quite pleased to get it! I had to make my own clothing right after my own birth with my own bare hands out of the common sod and some earthworms strung together to form  thread. I didn't even have any feet until I bartered for it with labor of my own brow's sweat.
 
2013-07-12 10:48:33 AM
Thank you ChipNASA
 
2013-07-12 10:49:27 AM

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Your derp got lost on its way to the Politcs tab, I see.
 
2013-07-12 10:49:52 AM

Nadie_AZ: And far too many people don't stay hydrated. You are sweating, people. You body needs fluids restored.


This.  Maybe throw in a dash of salt now and then.  Or have some chicken soup, or other salty-ish broth for lunch, just to replace the electrolytes.

Even the elderly and infirm can survive heat waves if you keep them hydrated.  Really, that's pretty much all there is too it.
 
2013-07-12 10:50:19 AM

chevydeuce: It was 121 degrees here last week.....Fark you England!

I understand that England isn't set up for "extreme" heat, but 85 farking degrees isn't "extreme"...stay in the shade, drink some water and shut the fark up....


I doubt many poeple in England consider 29-30 Celsius 'extreme' either. 35 Celsuis? Yeah, for us that's getting 'extreme'.
 
2013-07-12 10:51:12 AM
Really? Another thread comparing Englands temps to Arizona?
 
2013-07-12 10:52:22 AM

RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.


No joke.  It was ~90F outside when I was in Nottingham in the summer of 2006 looking for an apartment for grad school.  I'd guess it had to be 110F on the Underground when we arrived in London and went to St Pancras.

Very humid, no breeze and (most importantly) no air conditioning.

I've never been that miserable due to the heat, and I'm from Florida.
 
2013-07-12 10:53:06 AM

cubic_spleen: FlashHarry: RexTalionis: The thing with Europe is that air conditioning is not nearly as prevalent there as it is in the states, especially for the elderly and the poor or sick. Every time there is a heat wave there, many elderly and sick people die from heat exhaustion.

i remember that horrible heat wave in europe in '03 (my brother got married that summer in england in a full morning suit in an un-air-conditioned church). some 15,000 people died in france alone. it's no laughing matter. though that didn't stop the washington post cracking wise about how france "can't stand the heat." charming.

To be fair, Americans "conservatives" think it's funny when the weak and helpless (and poor) die by the thousands. GOP Humor, you know.


Blizzard of '78, there was a segment on the tv where they interviewed some people in the deep South about what was happening in New England.  One guy actually said, "Let the bastards freeze to death in the dark."
 
2013-07-12 10:54:14 AM
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