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(BBC)   Day two brought a batting collapse, an incredible last stand, a world record and some dubious umpiring decisions. So what will day three of the first Ashes test have to compete with that?   (bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-07-12 12:40:49 PM  

ThunderChild: Should Broad have walked there? He knew damn well he hit that. But I suppose that's the way the game is played these days - they've adopted the whole 'try and kid the umpire' attitude from soccer.


I don't blame Broad at all.  If the umpire wants to hand you a second life and the opposition have wasted the reviews, why help it out?
 
2013-07-12 12:44:33 PM  

PowerSlacker: ThunderChild: Should Broad have walked there? He knew damn well he hit that. But I suppose that's the way the game is played these days - they've adopted the whole 'try and kid the umpire' attitude from soccer.

I don't blame Broad at all.  If the umpire wants to hand you a second life and the opposition have wasted the reviews, why help it out?


The Aussies can't complain - as Boycott said, it's part of their culture not to walk. I wouldn't either.
 
2013-07-12 12:47:25 PM  

PowerSlacker: ThunderChild: Should Broad have walked there? He knew damn well he hit that. But I suppose that's the way the game is played these days - they've adopted the whole 'try and kid the umpire' attitude from soccer.

I don't blame Broad at all.  If the umpire wants to hand you a second life and the opposition have wasted the reviews, why help it out?


Plus any Australian player would not have walked either. This is the very top of the game and you play to the umpire not matter what the call (good or bad)
 
2013-07-12 12:49:03 PM  

FrancoFile: aaronx: How was that not a wicket? Oh, wait, it was a wicket. It just wasn't called a wicket.

In other news, Angel Hernandez and Aleem Dar are the same person...


As a baseball and cricket fan, I LOL'd...
 
2013-07-12 12:55:16 PM  

ukexpat: FrancoFile: aaronx: How was that not a wicket? Oh, wait, it was a wicket. It just wasn't called a wicket.

In other news, Angel Hernandez and Aleem Dar are the same person...

As a baseball and cricket fan, I LOL'd...


Would you agree with me that the standard of fielding in cricket leaves a lot to be desired, compared to baseball?  Catching is done well, but the over-throws and terribly-aimed throws to the wicket-keeper, etc. would all be written up as errors by a baseball scorer; they are hardly mentioned during a cricket match.
 
2013-07-12 12:56:12 PM  

FrancoFile: ukexpat: FrancoFile: aaronx: How was that not a wicket? Oh, wait, it was a wicket. It just wasn't called a wicket.

In other news, Angel Hernandez and Aleem Dar are the same person...

As a baseball and cricket fan, I LOL'd...

Would you agree with me that the standard of fielding in cricket leaves a lot to be desired, compared to baseball?  Catching is done well, but the over-throws and terribly-aimed throws to the wicket-keeper, etc. would all be written up as errors by a baseball scorer; they are hardly mentioned during a cricket match.


Not a Mets fan, are you?
 
2013-07-12 01:07:41 PM  

FrancoFile: ukexpat: FrancoFile: aaronx: How was that not a wicket? Oh, wait, it was a wicket. It just wasn't called a wicket.

In other news, Angel Hernandez and Aleem Dar are the same person...

As a baseball and cricket fan, I LOL'd...

Would you agree with me that the standard of fielding in cricket leaves a lot to be desired, compared to baseball?  Catching is done well, but the over-throws and terribly-aimed throws to the wicket-keeper, etc. would all be written up as errors by a baseball scorer; they are hardly mentioned during a cricket match.


On balance I think they are about  the same. As a Phillies fan, I have seen some shiatty throwing this season...
 
2013-07-12 01:10:57 PM  

ukexpat: FrancoFile: ukexpat: FrancoFile: aaronx: How was that not a wicket? Oh, wait, it was a wicket. It just wasn't called a wicket.

In other news, Angel Hernandez and Aleem Dar are the same person...

As a baseball and cricket fan, I LOL'd...

Would you agree with me that the standard of fielding in cricket leaves a lot to be desired, compared to baseball?  Catching is done well, but the over-throws and terribly-aimed throws to the wicket-keeper, etc. would all be written up as errors by a baseball scorer; they are hardly mentioned during a cricket match.

On balance I think they are about  the same. As a Phillies fan, I have seen some shiatty throwing this season...


The routine grounder to shortstop with a quick throw to first doesn't seem to have an equivalent in cricket.  (Of course, the gloves help a lot in baseball.)  I also don't see fielders moving to cut-off positions or to block missed catches, which is Fielding 101 in baseball.
 
2013-07-12 01:22:26 PM  

FrancoFile: The routine grounder to shortstop with a quick throw to first doesn't seem to have an equivalent in cricket


Keep in mind in cricket there's more than one valid option as to where to throw the ball. In baseball unless you're covering a base a runner is advancing to the only way to get an out is to throw the ball to the fielder covering the base the runner is advancing towards. In cricket you can throw to another fielder or try to throw at a wicket directly. Imagine what baseball fielding would look like if it was enough for the ball to hit the base pad before the runner got there to get an out.
 
2013-07-12 01:24:45 PM  
326/6 at the end of day 3, with two batsmen well in.  I think England are pretty happy with that.
 
2013-07-12 01:26:35 PM  

FrancoFile: Would you agree with me that the standard of fielding in cricket leaves a lot to be desired, compared to baseball? Catching is done well, but the over-throws and terribly-aimed throws to the wicket-keeper, etc. would all be written up as errors by a baseball scorer; they are hardly mentioned during a cricket match.


Think how often a catcher has to go six to ten feet up the line to gather a throw from the outfield - even a relatively short relay throw.  That's not an uncommon occurrence.  Players do absolutely move to back up off target throws from behind the target.

Relay/cut-off throws are less common in cricket, you do see them occasionally, but they're less important because
i) because running is optional there are few opportunities for "force plays".  If the play is going to be close, they usually don't take it on.  This is less so in limited overs cricket, where you see a lot more relay throws.
ii) the position of the fielders are less conducive to it.  In baseball, for a throw from the outfield to the plate, there's nearly always going to be an infielder between an outfielder with the ball and the catcher, who doesn't have to move too far to become the natural relay/cut-off guy.  And that relay is easier, because the cut-off guy has glove, so the catch is easier.  In cricket the fielders are spread more widely, so the relay guy may not have time to move from his position to a place where he can make a relay throw.
 
2013-07-12 01:27:22 PM  

FrancoFile: 326/6 at the end of day 3, with two batsmen well in.  I think England are pretty happy with that.


Agreed. Probably better than they had hoped for after Trott's dismissal for 0 yesterday.
 
2013-07-12 01:29:06 PM  

WhyteRaven74: FrancoFile: The routine grounder to shortstop with a quick throw to first doesn't seem to have an equivalent in cricket

Keep in mind in cricket there's more than one valid option as to where to throw the ball. In baseball unless you're covering a base a runner is advancing to the only way to get an out is to throw the ball to the fielder covering the base the runner is advancing towards. In cricket you can throw to another fielder or try to throw at a wicket directly. Imagine what baseball fielding would look like if it was enough for the ball to hit the base pad before the runner got there to get an out.


Oh, I understand that.  You have 4 targets in cricket - wicket at either end, closest fielder at either end.

But when the ball'shiat to leg side, the 1st slip needs to move to backup the wicketkeeper.
And when the ball'shiat the other way, square leg needs to move likewise
A baseball team practices those kinds of moves until they are instinctive.
 
2013-07-12 01:30:12 PM  

FrancoFile: The routine grounder to shortstop with a quick throw to first doesn't seem to have an equivalent in cricket


That's mainly because there's no obligation to run on a ball in play.  You see it a lot more in one-day cricket where there's more pressure to "steal" runs on balls that don't get out of the infield. See this video, for example
 
2013-07-12 01:36:14 PM  
ball'shiat

I love the filter.
 
2013-07-12 01:48:24 PM  
cricket lingo I learned today: howler. Great term.
 
2013-07-12 07:02:25 PM  
The butthurt is starting to flow with the blame going to Broad and not Dar. I expect the Indians are pissing themselves with laughter over the hypocrasy of the Australian media.

The Test Match Special podcast is always entertaining and Boycott his usual self.

/Don't cry for me Australia
//You have your chance but you used them already
//That almost works.
 
2013-07-13 09:39:13 PM  

Norfolking Chance: The butthurt is starting to flow with the blame going to Broad and not Dar. I expect the Indians are pissing themselves with laughter over the hypocrasy of the Australian media.

The Test Match Special podcast is always entertaining and Boycott his usual self.

/Don't cry for me Australia
//You have your chance but you used them already
//That almost works.


The Beeb also streams TMS.
 
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