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2013-07-12 09:59:06 AM  
This really epitomizes the problem with Hollywood: trying to force a sequel out of an existing property simply because they think it will be easier to market (because people are already familiar with it) and the hope that there will be many more sequels. Case and point is The Lone Ranger. The only reason we got this movie is because the character had once been popular, and it had franchise potential.
 
2013-07-12 10:07:36 AM  
The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.

There were some flaws in the execution, but given the right director I think they could make a remake shine. Those are really the best remakes, when the original had some good ideas but fell short.
 
2013-07-12 10:12:31 AM  
So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?
 
2013-07-12 10:19:09 AM  
Thought they'd be further along with tron:(

Sounds like it won't be out for at least 2 years
 
2013-07-12 10:23:31 AM  

thornhill: This really epitomizes the problem with Hollywood: trying to force a sequel out of an existing property simply because they think it will be easier to market (because people are already familiar with it) and the hope that there will be many more sequels. Case and point is The Lone Ranger. The only reason we got this movie is because the character had once been popular, and it had franchise potential.


For Tron at least, they were setting up a sequel by introducing Sark's son and getting Tron hopefully back to his old self by the end of the movie.

I was pretty okay with Tron Legacy, because Tron was a movie that really needed to be revisited with new movie technology. The plot was a little too standard issue hero's journey, but I think a big part of that was because they were trying to continue the religious subtext of the original movie (Flynn as God, his son as Jesus, CLU and the evil programs Satan and the rebel angels, etc), which made things seem a little hokey. Hopefully the sequel will be a little more straight up action and adventure.
 
2013-07-12 10:25:31 AM  

Fano: So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?


They've been trying to make a Dark Crystal sequel forever. At one point they had the Samurai Jack guy directing, but nothing ever came of it.
 
2013-07-12 10:26:26 AM  
I don't care what the haters here on Fark say. I enjoyed the TRON sequel, even if it wasn't as thought provoking as the old one. Hell the old one wasn't as brilliant as people like to remember, but it was still pretty good. I'm hoping the next TRON movie turns out ok as well.

Also, bring back TRON:Uprising, it's about time Disney had an animated show that's more than just wacky fun. Uprising was surprisingly well written and could appeal to kids and adults alike.
 
2013-07-12 10:28:26 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.

There were some flaws in the execution, but given the right director I think they could make a remake shine. Those are really the best remakes, when the original had some good ideas but fell short.


The ship never failed to look like a model. Long glass roofs that looked like they should have been covering the atrium at the Houston Holiday Inn. Those stupid cutesy floating robots immediately counteracted any menace from the cylon looking ones. That movie evoked exactly the same range as 'Forbidden Planet' and had the same sensibilities.

It was corny, flat and terrible and any kid who had seen 'Star Wars' could immediately understand which movie felt more believable.
 
2013-07-12 10:30:50 AM  

Fano: So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?


I would kill for a Dark Crystal sequel/prequel.
 
2013-07-12 10:30:59 AM  
 
2013-07-12 10:31:27 AM  
Sequels are iffy enough but these writers are VERY suspect. Spaihts and Wigutow's credits are pretty suspect. Spaights' Prometheus script was largely re-written by that JJ Abrams ball licking douche, Damon Lindelof. Prior to that he wrote that cheesy POS The Darkest Hour. Wigotow's credits are just as iffy.

Don't expect too much from them.
 
2013-07-12 10:32:29 AM  
So The Black Hole is a remake/reboot, which is fine, so long as they keep it dark.  I mean, the original film is probably the darkest Disney movie ever.  The whole concept of the dead/robotized crew was grim.  The main characters may be dead at the end, you really don't know, and the bad guy...well, the whole scene of him merged with Maximillian in hell was nightmare fuel of the finest quality.

And in case you've forgotten it...
www.modernprimate.com
 
2013-07-12 10:37:38 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.


The scene where they fall into the black hole is the reason The Black Hole is only movie ever to give me nightmares.
 
2013-07-12 10:45:08 AM  

Pentaxian: Mad_Radhu: The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.

The scene where they fall into the black hole is the reason The Black Hole is only movie ever to give me nightmares.


Perhaps you should watch the Raggedy Ann movie. When you reach the scene, you'll know why.
 
2013-07-12 10:56:34 AM  
They better have an asteroid crash through the length of the ship!
 
2013-07-12 10:58:28 AM  
I could go for a Tron 3 if it's Quorra by herself going back into the Grid to save her people. I just fell in love with her not just for the skin tight suit and everything but I really did like her character. Not so much Sam Flynn.

Black Hole is gonna take some work.

These are two completely unrelated comments. At least the way you're thinking.
 
2013-07-12 11:03:00 AM  
The Black Hole was intense back when I was eight. Hopefully they keep it dark and don't try to "kid it up" with an Ewok type V.I.N.CENT or something.
 
2013-07-12 11:04:06 AM  

Shadowtag: I could go for a Tron 3 if it's Quorra by herself going back into the Grid to save her people. I just fell in love with her not just for the skin tight suit and everything but I really did like her character. Not so much Sam Flynn.

Black Hole is gonna take some work.

These are two completely unrelated comments. At least the way you're thinking.


All of her people died though. I think the potential of the story lies in what she can do irl. I don't know how they can work the grid back into the story, which they kind of have to do for the title character.

Anyways, I hope they can get daft punk back. If they can't that's a serious loss.
 
2013-07-12 11:06:11 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.

There were some flaws in the execution, but given the right director I think they could make a remake shine. Those are really the best remakes, when the original had some good ideas but fell short.


It certainly has some flaws.  But the things that make it great are the very things that will be lost in a reboot (the mix of mattescan and modeled effects, the score, Maximillian Schnell).  The BEST that they can hope for is some kind of watered down Sunshine, but we'll probably get a PG Even Horizon
 
2013-07-12 11:09:22 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.

There were some flaws in the execution, but given the right director I think they could make a remake shine. Those are really the best remakes, when the original had some good ideas but fell short.


Hell yes. Black Hole is one of the last movies made with traditional modeling techniques, or something like that. Cygnus is/was awesome. Exactly the kind of ship a megalomaniac would construct to explore space. The villains were perfect. Rinehardt was menacing as hell and Maximilian was terrifying. shiat gave me nightmares. Plus Robert Forester and Tony Perkins.

Frankly, I love this genre of movie and would watch a re-make. I do hope they tack on that ending.

/Owned the action figures and the expanded universe comic books.
 
2013-07-12 11:15:02 AM  

Fano: So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?


nooooooooooooooo.com
 
2013-07-12 11:17:06 AM  

thecpt: Anyways, I hope they can get daft punk back. If they can't that's a serious loss.


Meh. They were all right, but I thought the soundtrack was kinda phoned in. It smacked of "hey, let's get the hip kids to see our movie, call up those electrical music people, uh, you know, Delft Plank."
 
2013-07-12 11:17:44 AM  
The Tron Legacy soundtrack was awesome.
 
2013-07-12 11:21:10 AM  

thecpt: Shadowtag: I could go for a Tron 3 if it's Quorra by herself going back into the Grid to save her people. I just fell in love with her not just for the skin tight suit and everything but I really did like her character. Not so much Sam Flynn.

Black Hole is gonna take some work.

These are two completely unrelated comments. At least the way you're thinking.

All of her people died though. I think the potential of the story lies in what she can do irl. I don't know how they can work the grid back into the story, which they kind of have to do for the title character.

Anyways, I hope they can get daft punk back. If they can't that's a serious loss.


I imagine there may be an aspect of Sam restoring the grid onto new hardware, maybe an effort to recover god-dad from backup
 
2013-07-12 11:23:16 AM  

Mad_Radhu: thornhill: This really epitomizes the problem with Hollywood: trying to force a sequel out of an existing property simply because they think it will be easier to market (because people are already familiar with it) and the hope that there will be many more sequels. Case and point is The Lone Ranger. The only reason we got this movie is because the character had once been popular, and it had franchise potential.

For Tron at least, they were setting up a sequel by introducing Sark's son and getting Tron hopefully back to his old self by the end of the movie.

I was pretty okay with Tron Legacy, because Tron was a movie that really needed to be revisited with new movie technology. The plot was a little too standard issue hero's journey, but I think a big part of that was because they were trying to continue the religious subtext of the original movie (Flynn as God, his son as Jesus, CLU and the evil programs Satan and the rebel angels, etc), which made things seem a little hokey. Hopefully the sequel will be a little more straight up action and adventure.


That's exactly the problem -- the motivation for the movie was that the Tron universe would lend itself well to CGI porn. The whole movie was built around that rather than coming up with a story worth telling.
 
2013-07-12 11:27:47 AM  

theorellior: thecpt: Anyways, I hope they can get daft punk back. If they can't that's a serious loss.

Meh. They were all right, but I thought the soundtrack was kinda phoned in. It smacked of "hey, let's get the hip kids to see our movie, call up those electrical music people, uh, you know, Delft Plank."


...hip kids...daft punk? Probably would've been skrillex, kaskade, or aviicii if thats what they wanted. They picked the robots (who even had a cameo) and they were an integral factor in its success IMO.
 
2013-07-12 11:35:38 AM  

Fano: So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?


not until we get Willow 2
 
2013-07-12 11:43:06 AM  
The Black hole was so dark because it was originally made to be a space thriller. The producers ran out of money to finish the film. Disney picked it up, reshot some scenes and added the comic relief robots.
 
2013-07-12 11:47:58 AM  
One of the earliest moronically stupid jokes I laughed at was "Do you like movies?  Look up my butt and see The Black Hole.  Do you like parties?  Climb up my led and have a ball."
 
2013-07-12 11:49:31 AM  

Saiga410: Fano: So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?

I would kill for a Dark Crystal sequel/prequel.


I used to want more Dark Crystal, but now it's would end up being some shaity CGI crap-fest.
 
2013-07-12 11:55:10 AM  

dennysgod: I used to want more Dark Crystal, but now it's would end up being some shaity CGI crap-fest.


Robot chicken has the sequel covered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RudzOqb-fRc
 
2013-07-12 11:57:18 AM  

Saiga410: Fano: So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?

I would kill for a Dark Crystal sequel/prequel.


These graphic novels are great. They chart the creation of the world of Dark Crystal leading up to the movie. There's a third to come still.

1.bp.blogspot.comblogs.detroitnews.com

They can just film these...
 
2013-07-12 12:11:34 PM  

TheLopper: The Tron Legacy soundtrack was awesome.


You mean that "movie" wasn't just an extended Daft Punk music video?  If you choose to view it in those terms it is much better.
 
2013-07-12 12:17:07 PM  

RyansPrivates: TheLopper: The Tron Legacy soundtrack was awesome.

You mean that "movie" wasn't just an extended Daft Punk music video?  If you choose to view it in those terms it is much better.


i have no issues with this, and look forward to the next daft punk movie video
 
2013-07-12 12:19:43 PM  
I enjoyed the Tron sequel.

My only complaints:  The light cycles didn't stay in grids.  I didn't like they could drive all over.  The fun of the first one was the tight, last second sharp turns.  At least for me.

I didn't like Quorra leaving and becoming human.  Just makes no sense.  The people in the Grid aren't REALLY human.  They're programs that look like their programmers.
I think another possible ending could have been (much like a few Star Trek episodes) Clu and his army actually win and get to the portal, try to leave and realize they're simply programs and can't take on an actual form and derez in the real world.

And I wished they brought back some form of the original TRON music
 
2013-07-12 12:22:54 PM  

Mad_Radhu: The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.

There were some flaws in the execution, but given the right director I think they could make a remake shine. Those are really the best remakes, when the original had some good ideas but fell short.


My biggest fear is a Michael Bay "Trasnsformers" style redesign of the ship and Max.

Cygnus 2.0:
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Max 2.0:
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-12 12:25:04 PM  
The model kit of the Cygnus is a kit-builder's wet dream. So many little bits and tubes everywhere. It's hard to tell where the parts end and the leftover "flash" begins.

i.ebayimg.com

Rumor is that the first Borg Cube built for TNG was made with dozens of Cygnus model kits.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-12 01:00:49 PM  

Wolf892: I want to see the Black Cauldron sequel

crunchies and munchies ...


The Prydain Chonicles is an awesome series. The Black Cauldron was a good attempt at making an animated film in the series, but they shouldn't have combined the first two books like that. Looking at what Disney accomplished with the Narnia movies, they could easily do a live action version of all five books and they would be solid successes.
 
2013-07-12 01:58:56 PM  

Shadowtag: I could go for a Tron 3 if it's Quorra by herself going back into the Grid to save her people. I just fell in love with her not just for the skin tight suit and everything but I really did like her character. Not so much Sam Flynn.

Black Hole is gonna take some work.

These are two completely unrelated comments. At least the way you're thinking.


if you haven't already, watch the Tron Uprising anime. Quorra was in one of the episodes, and the entire series was brilliant. Definitely the most beautifully rended cartoon I've ever seen

/Damned shame it was canceled.
 
2013-07-12 02:43:36 PM  
I don't care about anything other than Olivia Wilde getting screen time. If she's there, I'm there.
 
2013-07-12 03:01:47 PM  
The only reason to see Tron 2:

www.blastr.com

OK, there was one other reason:

shkspr.mobi
 
2013-07-12 03:06:01 PM  

exparrot: Mad_Radhu: The Black Hole is underrated in some ways. The Cygnus is a gorgeous ship design, and some awesome model work, and Maximillian was pants-shiattingly terrifying for me when I was a kid watching the movie.

There were some flaws in the execution, but given the right director I think they could make a remake shine. Those are really the best remakes, when the original had some good ideas but fell short.

The ship never failed to look like a model. Long glass roofs that looked like they should have been covering the atrium at the Houston Holiday Inn. Those stupid cutesy floating robots immediately counteracted any menace from the cylon looking ones. That movie evoked exactly the same range as 'Forbidden Planet' and had the same sensibilities.

It was corny, flat and terrible and any kid who had seen 'Star Wars' could immediately understand which movie felt more believable.


Whoa Whoa Whoa

Don't compare Forbidden Planet to Black Hole.

FP is Golden Age SciFi with emotionless purely functional technology. The central idea being that a society can never truly get past it's primal beginnings. We can not become more than animals.

BH is filled with the blending of man and machine. From the the terrifying Maximillian, to the Slim Pickens floating bruisebot it tries to humanize machines. We will achieve our own Hell when we are completely wired.
 
2013-07-12 03:18:26 PM  
Tron Legacy would have made a great ~30 minute music video. Too bad they had to ruin it by bolting on a couple of story-like elements at the last minute.
 
2013-07-12 03:30:30 PM  
I'm OK with this for one reason.


They'll finally --- to market tie/cash in--- release original the Black Hole on Blu-Ray !
 
2013-07-12 03:32:10 PM  

Saiga410: Fano: So, we're due for a Goonies II and a Dark Crystal prequel?

I would kill for a Dark Crystal sequel/prequel.


Maybe you should see this...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1401146961/lessons-learned-a-pra ct ical-puppet-short-film

The guy who played Toby in Labyrinth (yes, the baby) grew up obsessed with goblins. It's understandable since his parents were Henson sculptors. He's making a movie.

Check it out.
 
2013-07-12 03:49:17 PM  
Two more films for Tom Cruise to ruin.
 
2013-07-12 04:11:50 PM  
My 7 year old would like a Treasure Planet 2. Will never happen.
 
2013-07-12 04:13:47 PM  
Samuel L. Jackson is... Black Tron!

/Make is happen Disney
 
2013-07-12 04:30:48 PM  

EngineerAU: Samuel L. Jackson is... Black Tron!

/Make is happen Disney


Well... that brings back fond memories.
i139.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-12 04:37:19 PM  

Fox10456: BH is filled with the blending of man and machine. From the the terrifying Maximillian, to the Slim Pickens floating bruisebot it tries to humanize machines. We will achieve our own Hell when we are completely wired.


Has anyone ever done a redub of B.O.B from The Black Hole with Slim Pickens' dialogue from Dr. Strangelove & Blazing Saddles?
 
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