Mad_Radhu: Microsoft's big mistake was not basing their ARM tablet OS off of Windows Phone 8 instead of slapping what amounts to a second OS environment on top of regular Windows 8. If they had done that, they would have had a much better performing tablet OS and better app support for both the tablets and the phone. Plus they could have back-ported the tablet OS enhancements to the phones so that when Windows Phone 8 launched it would have seemed less like a small update to Windows Phone 7 to the end users (even though it really is a much bigger update under the hood).Tablet hardware is getting so cheap these days, and the use cases are so dissimilar, that it makes no sense to try to create the computer equivalent of the Homermobile, which does a half-assed job at being a tablet and a PC. I'd much rather have a thin, light, tablet around 9" in size with great battery life and a separate non-touchscreen Ultrabook with a 13" screen and a great keyboard, than one 10" combo machine that is hard to hold one one hand for tablet usage and is awkward to use with a mouse and keyboard because Windows 8 has been optimized for touch.I use the computer for CREATING content, which means a lot of work with the mouse and keyboard, while I use a tablet for CONSUMING content which means I like having a nice high resolution touch screen that is easy to hold for long periods of reading or watching a movie. There's just no real way to combine them and not have a machine that sucks in some important ways (the Surface Pro is too heavy for tablet use and the keyboard covers aren't as good as a regular keyboard, and it feels really awkward to hold it as a tablet with the touch cover bent back so you are touching the keyboard when you hold it). There's a tiny number of people doing art, graphic design, or marking up engineering drawings that can really use a Surface Pro for what they do, but for most of us it doesn't make sense to have that hybrid OS, which is why most tablets were a niche item u ...
AverageAmericanGuy: Logically, they would be similarly priced with iPads, so around $600 for the base models. However, if I wanted an iPad I'd get an iPad. Dicking around with a device that doesn't support any of the apps I want is a waste of time.Now sell it at the Nexus 7 price point and you've got yourself a deal.
tlchwi02: the surface pro is amazing. the RT is idiotic
Harry_Seldon: tlchwi02: the surface pro is amazing. the RT is idioticEven better is the Dell XPS 18. I love this thing.
Handsome B. Wonderful: I love my Surface Pro. I wouldn't touch an RT.
HotWingAgenda: Despite this link being from something called Mac Rumors, I'm actually willing to take it at face value.But as far as I can tell, all of these tablet things suck ass. A ten inch screen? Only double digit hard memory? F*ck you. I'll buy one when it can actually match my much cheaper and more durable (and upgradable) laptop in both screen size and storage.
lewismarktwo: None of these tablets should cost over $200. Talk about obscene.
Bloody Templar: So there's this thing called the cloud...
foo monkey: But the commercials were so good!
Bloody Templar: HotWingAgenda: Despite this link being from something called Mac Rumors, I'm actually willing to take it at face value.But as far as I can tell, all of these tablet things suck ass. A ten inch screen? Only double digit hard memory? F*ck you. I'll buy one when it can actually match my much cheaper and more durable (and upgradable) laptop in both screen size and storage.So there's this thing called the cloud...
Bloody Templar: And before I'm accused of being a shill: Yes, I do respond to Microsoft threads like a dog whistle. I love my company. It's not perfect, but it has a great culture and we generally make some really cool stuff, even if there are some missteps (particularly in marketing)./Disclaimer - my own opinions, not Microsoft's
AverageAmericanGuy: For those who, like me, are too lazy to read the article, I've bitten the bullet and clicked the link.Here's the new pricing with discounts:- Surface RT 32GB: $349.99- Surface RT 64GB: $449.99- Surface RT 32GB with Touch Cover: $449.99- Surface RT 64GB with Touch Cover: $549.99
drjekel_mrhyde: AverageAmericanGuy: For those who, like me, are too lazy to read the article, I've bitten the bullet and clicked the link.Here's the new pricing with discounts:- Surface RT 32GB: $349.99- Surface RT 64GB: $449.99- Surface RT 32GB with Touch Cover: $449.99- Surface RT 64GB with Touch Cover: $549.99I don't see how they are still charging $100 for a farking keyboard/cover
dangelder: Suppose for the sake of argument, that there was a manufacturer of ordinary, decent quality, USB keyboards and mice that sold for $50 a pair. Then, this manufacturer started to include a basic ARM CPU in the keyboard, one of those integrated system chips that had wireless, USB, basic video out, etc. The ports are added, along with out jacks for regular TV, and space for rechargable AA batteries. The whole deal is now cheaply manufactured and sold at a price of $99. It charges and/or runs over any USB port, it's still a real keyboard you can hook up to your PC, but it also can be carried away and attached to any monitor or TV that exists.On the software side, it runs a tiny OS that manages wireless connections and supports standard USB peripherals. The OS can shut down a misbehaving program and is reasonably adept at proper memory management. It's totally open as well, the source code for these basic drivers are available, and anyone can write, download, compile, and run "apps" on the minimal OS. These apps have basic sandbox-design security so they can't access your email without permission, but can if you allow it. Furthermore, the specific multitasking environment is an app too, so you can dress up the windows like Windows, or different, or whatever.Would that destroy most of Microsoft entirely? How could they compete with such a beast, assuming it really worked like I describe here, designed and tested by a few clever geeks without pretense towards taking over the world, but just built it to genuinely work right and be futureproofed?
Bloody Templar: Admittedly, mine was free
AverageAmericanGuy: It's called "WebOS" and no one wanted it.
MrSteve007: Or they're looking to unload stock before updating both the RT and Pro with the latest processors in the next month or two . . . as the last paragraph suggests.
HotWingAgenda: Despite this link being from something called Mac Rumors, I'm actually willing to take it at face value.
SwingDancer: Surface pro rocks. I use it for everything but gaming, where I use my laptop. I know two other people who do exactly the same thing. Rt on the other hand was a terrible mistake.
LeoffDaGrate: MrSteve007: Or they're looking to unload stock before updating both the RT and Pro with the latest processors in the next month or two . . . as the last paragraph suggests.You are correct. It does suggest that. Except that it doesn't."In the works" equals "next month or two" in your world?
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Could this tablet run Civ V or the like?
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