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(AZCentral)   Energy company in Arizona is encouraging homeowners to put solar panels on their roofs by offering all kinds of incentives. Just kidding. They're threatening to jack up the monthly bill of anybody who does that   (azcentral.com) divider line 19
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2013-07-12 02:57:32 AM
8 votes:

sminkypinky: Solar power is unnatural and against Gods will. Why would he go to the trouble of creating natural oil for us to use, straight from the earth, if he wanted us to mess with science.


If God wanted us to use solar energy, He would have put it everywhere, like gas stations.
2013-07-12 02:36:00 AM
8 votes:
Solar power is unnatural and against Gods will. Why would he go to the trouble of creating natural oil for us to use, straight from the earth, if he wanted us to mess with science.
2013-07-12 02:39:00 AM
4 votes:
Not smart, utility manager CFO person. In ten, 20 years you may NEED your customers' ability to distribute electrical loads, maybe even draw power from everyone's electric cars when there's a brief excess demand.

Your average Arizonan is retired, watches their bill like a hawk, and has no problem holding a grudge against a utility for decades more.

For example: my parents. In the 1980's some brilliant AT&T exec decided that touch tone dialing would cost an extra monthly $1 or whatever. Nope, my parents were more than happy with their pulse rotary dialing phone, kthxbye Mr AT&T person. Then AT&T wanted all customers to upgrade to touch tone. Nope. Not gonna happen. Then my parents were the last people on that switch still using rotary and AT&T really really really needed their pulse rotary phone off their system.

It's 2013 and my parents still pulse dial out of spite over that stupid shortsighted touch tone dial surcharge from 30 years ago.

They also are thinking of buying an electric car and if the utility ever wants to do that "smart" distributed power thing where they temporarily draw power from electric cars? My dad will be in the garage, unplugging the car. Because he's retired, and has nothing better to do than pay the utility back for their petty billing act over the next couple of decades.
2013-07-12 03:39:15 AM
2 votes:

Asa Phelps: as i understand it, there are maintenance & management costs incurred by having so many different sources of current, but most of them are related to synchronizing generator waveforms.


you're a waveform.
2013-07-12 02:56:26 AM
2 votes:
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2013-07-12 02:42:06 AM
2 votes:

Freschel: dangelder: How is Arizona not 100% solar already? I could probably make a killing there if I designed and produced some kind of simple solar-powered fan or AC unit.

Politics, pure politics. That's why.


Keeping down solar in Arizona makes hippies cry. Isn't that reason enough?
2013-07-12 02:27:43 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It never really made sense that they would pay individual energy producers for power. I'm surprised that this kind of thing hasn't already been enacted.

Tepco here in Japan, reeling from the sudden reduced energy usage after the tsunami, decided that raising rates to keep revenue levels up was a better course of action than letting their management bonuses lapse.


It's comforting to know that assholes are everywhere. Reaffirms faith in the universal order.
2013-07-12 02:16:33 AM
2 votes:
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2013-07-12 09:01:40 AM
1 votes:

reklamfox: cuzsis: StopLurkListen: Not smart, utility manager CFO person. In ten, 20 years you may NEED your customers' ability to distribute electrical loads, maybe even draw power from everyone's electric cars when there's a brief excess demand.

Your average Arizonan is retired, watches their bill like a hawk, and has no problem holding a grudge against a utility for decades more.

For example: my parents. In the 1980's some brilliant AT&T exec decided that touch tone dialing would cost an extra monthly $1 or whatever. Nope, my parents were more than happy with their pulse rotary dialing phone, kthxbye Mr AT&T person. Then AT&T wanted all customers to upgrade to touch tone. Nope. Not gonna happen. Then my parents were the last people on that switch still using rotary and AT&T really really really needed their pulse rotary phone off their system.

It's 2013 and my parents still pulse dial out of spite over that stupid shortsighted touch tone dial surcharge from 30 years ago.

They also are thinking of buying an electric car and if the utility ever wants to do that "smart" distributed power thing where they temporarily draw power from electric cars? My dad will be in the garage, unplugging the car. Because he's retired, and has nothing better to do than pay the utility back for their petty billing act over the next couple of decades.

That's...that's just impressive.

/bravo!

I can only hope to be half that crotchety and vengeful when I reach old age


I knew a guy in the 1980s who was a WWII veteran. He had a crank phone that generated its own power, and for fun one day he plugged that into the tone dial network GTE ran.

By "ringing" that phone, he caused a spot outage at the local switch box/"Central Office" (affecting the neigborhood) because he just zapped it with whatever current one of those things put out, and the circuitry hadn't had to handle one of those in 30 years.

They sent a nice repairman out who told him don't do that again.
2013-07-12 08:15:06 AM
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: Not smart, utility manager CFO person. In ten, 20 years you may NEED your customers' ability to distribute electrical loads, maybe even draw power from everyone's electric cars when there's a brief excess demand.

Your average Arizonan is retired, watches their bill like a hawk, and has no problem holding a grudge against a utility for decades more.

For example: my parents. In the 1980's some brilliant AT&T exec decided that touch tone dialing would cost an extra monthly $1 or whatever. Nope, my parents were more than happy with their pulse rotary dialing phone, kthxbye Mr AT&T person. Then AT&T wanted all customers to upgrade to touch tone. Nope. Not gonna happen. Then my parents were the last people on that switch still using rotary and AT&T really really really needed their pulse rotary phone off their system.

It's 2013 and my parents still pulse dial out of spite over that stupid shortsighted touch tone dial surcharge from 30 years ago.

They also are thinking of buying an electric car and if the utility ever wants to do that "smart" distributed power thing where they temporarily draw power from electric cars? My dad will be in the garage, unplugging the car. Because he's retired, and has nothing better to do than pay the utility back for their petty billing act over the next couple of decades.


Sounds like my folks.

They hate call-waiting so they never opted in for that as a "service."  They refuse to have voicemail since they already have an answering machine and don't want to learn how to use something new.  As a result their phone service is incredibly messed up.  It gets knocked offline about once a month.  They no longer program systems with a "busy tone" so if you call them while they're on the line then you get a combo of weird messages that always seem to conflict with each other.

I like to think they do it for the spiteful entertainment value but I'm probably pretty sure they do it because they're old.
2013-07-12 08:14:47 AM
1 votes:

violentsalvation: Will they credit me if I install rain panels? haha just kidding I'm not on APS.


Not on APS? That'll be $250.
2013-07-12 06:28:22 AM
1 votes:

SearchN: AverageAmericanGuy: It never really made sense that they would pay individual energy producers for power. I'm surprised that this kind of thing hasn't already been enacted.

Tepco here in Japan, reeling from the sudden reduced energy usage after the tsunami, decided that raising rates to keep revenue levels up was a better course of action than letting their management bonuses lapse.

Have a citation for that? That strikes me as.. something a gaijin would do.

/Gaijin
//I'd like to go back at some point. 86-89.
///Miss Tokyo.


You're Miss Tokyo?  Because in your profile pic, no offense, but you look like kind of a dog...
2013-07-12 03:39:39 AM
1 votes:

evil saltine: Asa Phelps: as i understand it, there are maintenance & management costs incurred by having so many different sources of current, but most of them are related to synchronizing generator waveforms.

you're a waveform.


Your face is a waveform!
2013-07-12 03:20:11 AM
1 votes:

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: I can see maybe tacking on an extra maintenance fee, but $50-100 a month seems insane. While I realize we don't have to run the AC as much here as in Arizona, I've never had my electric bill over $200.


Cheap, quickly built homes with zero, and I mean, zero insulation = $300 a month and up for under 2000sf. I'm not kidding, I could put my hand on an exterior wall and feel the heat through it.

dangelder: How is Arizona not 100% solar already? I could probably make a killing there if I designed and produced some kind of simple solar-powered fan or AC unit.


Because solar is for hippies, and Aribama is 100% red-blooded Amurricans.
2013-07-12 03:03:09 AM
1 votes:

rewind2846: WAITAFARKINGMINUTE... these corporate assholes want to charge people MORE because they refuse to waste their product?
"Bu-bu-bu the grid is on 24 hours a day!" SO FARKING WHAT? I pay for the time I'm using the grid.
THIS is why solar is catching hell, not the cost of the panels or any of that sh*t. The corporations want that cashflow to their greedy assed shareholders.

Fark that sh*t. NO.


But anything that causes corporations' profits to drop in any way is unconstitutional, immoral, and makes you EXACTLY the same as Stalin!
2013-07-12 02:45:50 AM
1 votes:
We're starting to need a Zonie tag. It's like Florida with less hot chicks and more boring food.
2013-07-12 02:43:21 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It never really made sense that they would pay individual energy producers for power. I'm surprised that this kind of thing hasn't already been enacted.

Tepco here in Japan, reeling from the sudden reduced energy usage after the tsunami, decided that raising rates to keep revenue levels up was a better course of action than letting their management bonuses lapse.


Have a citation for that? That strikes me as.. something a gaijin would do.

/Gaijin
//I'd like to go back at some point. 86-89.
///Miss Tokyo.
2013-07-12 02:35:19 AM
1 votes:
How is Arizona not 100% solar already? I could probably make a killing there if I designed and produced some kind of simple solar-powered fan or AC unit.
2013-07-12 01:51:23 AM
1 votes:
corporate douchebaggery
 
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