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(Daily Mail)   Good news, melting glaciers exposed old plane crash, found a box of Camels   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-07-11 08:41:36 PM  
I'd walk a mile...over a glacier.
 
2013-07-11 08:42:32 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-11 08:42:57 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
'You've got to be f*cking kidding me.'
 
2013-07-11 08:43:42 PM  
Some nice global warming derp in the comments.

I remember being told about this particular crash when I was stationed at Elmendorf.  Not important for you to know that, but I'm in a sharing mood I suppose.
 
2013-07-11 08:46:10 PM  
"Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up."

/Came for the Romancing the Stone reference, left happy
 
2013-07-11 08:48:23 PM  

Thresher: "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up."

/Came for the Romancing the Stone reference, left happy


Romancing the Stone is the most underrated movie of all time.  Well, after Midnight Run, of course.
 
2013-07-11 08:48:55 PM  
www.tennet.se
 
2013-07-11 08:49:41 PM  
Available and unfrozen for comment.

www.animationsource.org

www.animationsource.org
/Hopefully *not* obscure
 
2013-07-11 08:56:24 PM  
So that Glacier is only 60 years old?


/herp
 
2013-07-11 08:58:25 PM  
Box of Camels found on 100th anniv of brand, yay fooey.
 
2013-07-11 08:59:41 PM  
Reminds me of the NOVA episode I watched about the Star Dust, which disappeared over the Andes in 1947.
 
2013-07-11 09:03:46 PM  
Yeah, there is a buttload of Grade-A Moran Stupidity in the comments for the farking article.  How stupid does someone have to be to not know that glaciers flow downhill and that if you put something in the middle of the glacier it will eventually be spat out at the bottom at some point in the future and that if you start to melt the glacier that it will be spat out quicker?
 
2013-07-11 09:09:44 PM  
STENDEC
 
2013-07-11 09:10:16 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-11 09:14:44 PM  
I suspect they are talking about those mini-boxes of cigarettes that held 4 cigarettes and were included in C-rations in the 1950s. When I was in the Army in the 1970s would occasionally get C-rats with cigarettes in them (we always got Lucky Strikes), so we knew they were that old. The cigarettes were so dried out that they would just catch fire and burn up. The canned food was still excellent, if you happen to like green slightly gelled goo that used to be some kind of meat.
 
2013-07-11 09:19:23 PM  

revrendjim: The canned food was still excellent, if you happen to like green slightly gelled goo that used to be some kind of meat.


blogs.independent.co.uk
 
2013-07-11 09:21:42 PM  
Survivors would of had lots to eat.
 
2013-07-11 09:25:14 PM  
This glacier has been dumping out parts of the plane for more than a decade.
 
2013-07-11 09:28:38 PM  
Also collected were some human remains, which Berg declined to describe in detail

...but they probably looked a lot like human body parts.
 
2013-07-11 09:30:42 PM  

Abox: revrendjim: The canned food was still excellent, if you happen to like green slightly gelled goo that used to be some kind of meat.


We honest-to-god frequently had green eggs in the field. I think it had to do with cooking the powdered eggs in aluminum vessels, but I'm not sure of the chemistry there.
 
2013-07-11 09:48:26 PM  
I'm thinking Donner Party.
 
2013-07-11 09:50:26 PM  

revrendjim: Abox: revrendjim: The canned food was still excellent, if you happen to like green slightly gelled goo that used to be some kind of meat.

We honest-to-god frequently had green eggs in the field. I think it had to do with cooking the powdered eggs in aluminum vessels, but I'm not sure of the chemistry there.


Sulfur compounds in the yolk overheating/overcooking, as I recall.
 
2013-07-11 09:55:11 PM  
Are they the non fire safe Camels? The farking fire safe chemical the fireman made them put in them ruined them.
 
2013-07-11 09:56:45 PM  
Well, at least nobody got eaten by a rugby player this time.
 
2013-07-11 09:58:19 PM  
See? How could a plane crash UNDER a glacier if there was global warming?
 
2013-07-11 09:58:45 PM  

neongoats: Are they the non fire safe Camels? The farking fire safe chemical the fireman made them put in them ruined them.


Makes you keep re-lighting, which makes fiery Camels.
 
2013-07-11 10:04:59 PM  
So using a simple linear approximation, glaciers were expanding for 30 years and then retreating 30 years?   Even after industrialization?  Inconceivable.
 
2013-07-11 10:13:11 PM  
s3-ak.buzzfeed.com

Box of camel's
 
2013-07-11 10:21:59 PM  
So the plane crashed, the glacier expanded over the plane then started melting away. Awesome. I'm taking those stupid catalytic converters off my car tomorrow. I figured global warming was all a hoax to sell expensive emission control devices.
 
2013-07-11 10:44:39 PM  
i.imgur.com
Don't mind me... just leaving this here. Carry on with the global warming jokes.
 
2013-07-11 10:46:24 PM  
Just think of all the amazing things we are going to be discovering thanks to global warming.  Plane crashes, ancient creatures, flooding, drought, famine, etc.
 
2013-07-11 10:56:21 PM  

Daedalus27: Just think of all the amazing things we are going to be discovering thanks to global warming.  Plane crashes, ancient creatures, flooding, drought, famine, etc.


There's actually a hope among archaeologists that a Neandertal site could be found, either in Siberia or in the Alps, at some point. Not just a cave site, but an actual encampment. I'm not sure if thawing Neandertal bodies would be good or bad, but it would resolve lots of questions about their DNA and relationship to modern humans.
 
2013-07-11 11:09:43 PM  

Ivo Shandor: [i.imgur.com image 380x261]
Don't mind me... just leaving this here. Carry on with the global warming jokes.


Thanks. I knew that was what happened but I couldn't visualize it (or apparently use google).
 
2013-07-11 11:33:43 PM  
Next in the news: Former Nazi scientist, Dr. Otto, found dead at the hands of his Argentinian goon squad after it's revealed that he swindled the Reich gold.

/obscure?
 
2013-07-11 11:37:47 PM  

Mock26: Yeah, there is a buttload of Grade-A Moran Stupidity in the comments for the farking article.  How stupid does someone have to be to not know that glaciers flow downhill and that if you put something in the middle of the glacier it will eventually be spat out at the bottom at some point in the future and that if you start to melt the glacier that it will be spat out quicker?


I'm still shocked it was moving that fast.  I'm used to thinking of glaciers moving a few inches a decade, but I guess that is just the average how much faster the edge could get past the area the ice used to melt in the pre-global-warming era.  I guess they are [nearly] all backpedalling now.

I'll be more careful in terms of describing "glacial slowness".
 
2013-07-12 12:24:22 AM  

Mock26: Yeah, there is a buttload of Grade-A Moran Stupidity in the comments for the farking article.  How stupid does someone have to be to not know that glaciers flow downhill and that if you put something in the middle of the glacier it will eventually be spat out at the bottom at some point in the future and that if you start to melt the glacier that it will be spat out quicker?


Natural processes have been used for thousands of years to create fear and concern amongst the ignorant in order to control them.
 
2013-07-12 01:06:12 AM  
I'm just here to give JPAC some love. They do some amazing work, and the people that work for them, at least every time I worked with JPAC, were very competent, friendly people that were more than willing to teach you along the way.
 
2013-07-12 01:22:58 AM  
Another smoking related death.
 
2013-07-12 01:24:40 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: I'm still shocked it was moving that fast. I'm used to thinking of glaciers moving a few inches a decade, but I guess that is just the average how much faster the edge could get past the area the ice used to melt in the pre-global-warming era. I guess they are [nearly] all backpedalling now.


Yes, glaciers flow even without any global warming. Snow falls on the upper part of the glacier in the winter, adding weight which pushes down on the rest of the ice and causes it to move down the mountain. During the summer some of the bottom part melts. The balance between winter snowfall and summer temperatures will determine whether there's a net advance or retreat of the glacier.

i.imgur.com
 /and what's with all of Fark's 500 errors tonight? Is the Sharknado thread crashing the servers?
 
2013-07-12 01:34:50 AM  
blog.johnmenick.com

This will not end well.
 
2013-07-12 02:06:06 AM  

Ivo Shandor: yet_another_wumpus: I'm still shocked it was moving that fast. I'm used to thinking of glaciers moving a few inches a decade, but I guess that is just the average how much faster the edge could get past the area the ice used to melt in the pre-global-warming era. I guess they are [nearly] all backpedalling now.

Yes, glaciers flow even without any global warming. Snow falls on the upper part of the glacier in the winter, adding weight which pushes down on the rest of the ice and causes it to move down the mountain. During the summer some of the bottom part melts. The balance between winter snowfall and summer temperatures will determine whether there's a net advance or retreat of the glacier.

[i.imgur.com image 688x516]
 /and what's with all of Fark's 500 errors tonight? Is the Sharknado thread crashing the servers?


It's not hard to imagine.
 
2013-07-12 05:20:29 AM  
Just make sure you recover all the bodies.
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-12 08:18:16 AM  

revrendjim: When I was in the Army in the 1970s would occasionally get C-rats with cigarettes in them (we always got Lucky Strikes)


USAF, 1970s. Luckies. Green (menthol)
But other than that, good eats when you've been crawling in the dirt all day.
 
2013-07-12 08:23:40 AM  

Ivo Shandor: yet_another_wumpus: I'm still shocked it was moving that fast. I'm used to thinking of glaciers moving a few inches a decade, but I guess that is just the average how much faster the edge could get past the area the ice used to melt in the pre-global-warming era. I guess they are [nearly] all backpedalling now.

Yes, glaciers flow even without any global warming. Snow falls on the upper part of the glacier in the winter, adding weight which pushes down on the rest of the ice and causes it to move down the mountain. During the summer some of the bottom part melts. The balance between winter snowfall and summer temperatures will determine whether there's a net advance or retreat of the glacier.

[i.imgur.com image 688x516]
 /and what's with all of Fark's 500 errors tonight? Is the Sharknado thread crashing the servers?


i actually once ran into someone online who did not believe that glaciers moved due to the weight of new snow, because snow flakes are virtually weightless!  They believed that glaciers were formed by god and never grow, that they only shrink.
 
2013-07-12 08:32:44 AM  

Yogimus: See? How could a plane crash UNDER a glacier if there was global warming?


www.crashstuff.com
 
2013-07-12 09:16:50 AM  
"SSG Alfonso Gacuson (left) and Dr. Greg Berg, members of a specialized recovery team with the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command assess evidence at a historic aircraft crash site at Colony Glacier, Alaska"

Looks like they're just picking up stuff and putting it in buckets to me.
 
2013-07-12 09:24:10 AM  

Mock26: Ivo Shandor: yet_another_wumpus: I'm still shocked it was moving that fast. I'm used to thinking of glaciers moving a few inches a decade, but I guess that is just the average how much faster the edge could get past the area the ice used to melt in the pre-global-warming era. I guess they are [nearly] all backpedalling now.

Yes, glaciers flow even without any global warming. Snow falls on the upper part of the glacier in the winter, adding weight which pushes down on the rest of the ice and causes it to move down the mountain. During the summer some of the bottom part melts. The balance between winter snowfall and summer temperatures will determine whether there's a net advance or retreat of the glacier.

[i.imgur.com image 688x516]
 /and what's with all of Fark's 500 errors tonight? Is the Sharknado thread crashing the servers?

i actually once ran into someone online who did not believe that glaciers moved due to the weight of new snow, because snow flakes are virtually weightless!  They believed that glaciers were formed by god and never grow, that they only shrink.


I wasn't suggesting that they didn't flow (I've seen enough flatland in the midwest to convince anyone that glaciers move along).  I was just surprised at the speed, considering that in my youth they seemed to have a relatively stable balance between flow/growth and melting, thus barely moving.  The  difference being that since the plane and bodies aren't part of the melt/flow process, they were moving right along.
 
2013-07-12 09:42:21 AM  

DubyaHater: So the plane crashed, the glacier expanded over the plane then started melting away. Awesome. I'm taking those stupid catalytic converters off my car tomorrow. I figured global warming was all a hoax to sell expensive emission control devices.


I know you are snarking, but...there aren't people who think that catalytic converters have anything to do with global warming, are there??
 
2013-07-12 09:51:35 AM  

Hollie Maea: there aren't people who think that catalytic converters have anything to do with global warming, are there??


There are people who will believe any theory as long as it doesn't come from an evil scientist.

Unless the scientist says something that supports their political agenda ... then they've magically found the one non-corrupt scientist and everyone should take whatever they say as fact.
 
2013-07-12 09:57:05 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: Mock26: Ivo Shandor: yet_another_wumpus: I'm still shocked it was moving that fast. I'm used to thinking of glaciers moving a few inches a decade, but I guess that is just the average how much faster the edge could get past the area the ice used to melt in the pre-global-warming era. I guess they are [nearly] all backpedalling now.

Yes, glaciers flow even without any global warming. Snow falls on the upper part of the glacier in the winter, adding weight which pushes down on the rest of the ice and causes it to move down the mountain. During the summer some of the bottom part melts. The balance between winter snowfall and summer temperatures will determine whether there's a net advance or retreat of the glacier.

[i.imgur.com image 688x516]
 /and what's with all of Fark's 500 errors tonight? Is the Sharknado thread crashing the servers?

i actually once ran into someone online who did not believe that glaciers moved due to the weight of new snow, because snow flakes are virtually weightless!  They believed that glaciers were formed by god and never grow, that they only shrink.

I wasn't suggesting that they didn't flow (I've seen enough flatland in the midwest to convince anyone that glaciers move along).  I was just surprised at the speed, considering that in my youth they seemed to have a relatively stable balance between flow/growth and melting, thus barely moving.  The  difference being that since the plane and bodies aren't part of the melt/flow process, they were moving right along.


I did not think you were suggesting anything of the sort.  I was just sharing a story.  (Your mention of snow reminded me of it.)
 
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