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(Reason Magazine)   NYPD admits what everyone's suspected for years. Sometimes they get bored and just randomly ticket people   (reason.com) divider line 25
    More: Asinine, N.Y.P.D., Center for Constitutional Rights, Jacob Sullum  
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2013-07-11 10:21:46 PM
5 votes:

Jeep2011: Since when did NYC become a small town?


Ever since Rudy Giuliani decided that NYC should become the new Disney World for white people. Bloomberg is just continuing the bad ideas.
2013-07-11 11:35:37 PM
4 votes:

Smackledorfer: Note it mentions compstat meetings.

This is deplorable, but final control over cops goes to elected officials, does it not?

Kick the farkers out.


Yeah.

Instead of just accepting that a city needs X number of cops based on whatever criteria is used (density, crime rate, land area), there is a huge push for quantitative "productivity." The idea that a police officer is simply patrolling, on the clock but not doing anything in particular, is offensive to some. By demanding productivity, they are forcing a proactive approach on a service that is reactionary by nature.

It isn't the average patrol officers that think it's a good idea to hassle people for petty stuff and create hours of paperwork. If you told an average cop, "Here's you job: Patrol your assigned area. Keep an eye out for major violations of the law. Assist the public. Issue tickets when necessary as a corrective measure, not as revenue generation. Respond to emergencies when dispatched," he'd be thrilled. That's what most of them sign up for.

Instead, the city administration is on the chief for proof that his cops are "doing something." The shiat starts rolling downhill, a few supervisors get chewed out, and before you know it a bunch of useless paperwork is generated by hassling residents. The chief gets lots of numbers to show the politicians proving that his cops are busy, so his bosses back off him.
2013-07-11 10:36:09 PM
3 votes:
The New York Times had a really interesting report about this today. It was about how LA had tried this very "roll into crime hot spots and ticket/arrest everyone there committing any infraction, no matter how minor" strategy in the 90's under Darryl Gates and how it failed miserably.  What they and criminologists discovered is that even the bad guys and gangbangers have a sense fairness, and when they perceive the cops as being unfair and arbitrary crime and violence go up, but when they see fairness and justice in the system it goes down.  LA's new approach has sharply dropped crime and the overall murder rate in the city sharply, while NYC's approach seems to have actually increased violence
2013-07-11 10:19:13 PM
3 votes:
Another example of what it looks like when you put accountants in charge.  Gotta fill out that spreadsheet.
2013-07-12 01:51:53 AM
2 votes:
A great number of laws (especially traffic laws) on the books exist just to give the cops a flimsy "legal" reason to stop and interrogate a person, not to protect the public from harm or promote public safety.

TFA just illustrates that the police do not care about about protecting citizens, only abusing them to keep their jobs and pensions and that the "good cops" are generally powerless to intervene on the side of decency because the cop culture will punish them.

And cops wonder why people hold them in such low regard and even hate them? I wonder how they sleep at night.
2013-07-12 01:00:11 AM
2 votes:
This is the government.

www.thenader.com

This is governance.

farm4.staticflickr.com

You?

You're revenue.
2013-07-12 12:57:00 AM
2 votes:

lizyrd: Smackledorfer: Note it mentions compstat meetings.

This is deplorable, but final control over cops goes to elected officials, does it not?

Kick the farkers out.

Yeah.

Instead of just accepting that a city needs X number of cops based on whatever criteria is used (density, crime rate, land area), there is a huge push for quantitative "productivity." The idea that a police officer is simply patrolling, on the clock but not doing anything in particular, is offensive to some. By demanding productivity, they are forcing a proactive approach on a service that is reactionary by nature.

It isn't the average patrol officers that think it's a good idea to hassle people for petty stuff and create hours of paperwork. If you told an average cop, "Here's you job: Patrol your assigned area. Keep an eye out for major violations of the law. Assist the public. Issue tickets when necessary as a corrective measure, not as revenue generation. Respond to emergencies when dispatched," he'd be thrilled. That's what most of them sign up for.

Instead, the city administration is on the chief for proof that his cops are "doing something." The shiat starts rolling downhill, a few supervisors get chewed out, and before you know it a bunch of useless paperwork is generated by hassling residents. The chief gets lots of numbers to show the politicians proving that his cops are busy, so his bosses back off him.


You've got a great point here.  The other piece of the puzzle is a citizen review board.  Unelected citizen volunteers who meet once a month to review complaints against the police, and who are empowered to actually enforce their recommendations somehow.  Citizen review boards are awesome.  You know, because the police are supposed to be servants of the people.
2013-07-11 11:45:10 PM
2 votes:
Sure.

Randomly.

i258.photobucket.com
2013-07-11 11:35:51 PM
2 votes:

jedihirsch: Actually Rudy made almost no new rules (actually he eliminated many) all he did was actually enforce the ones that existed (something novel) as well as increased the NYPD from 16,000 cops to 42,000 cops (now 34,500, as they were reduced after crime fell) In fact under him Police abuse actually dropped, we only gave up the constitution and our rights under Nanny Bloomy


OgreMagi: I'm getting my NYC mayors mixed up, so it seems.


Even though Rudy made no new rules (I need the citation on this btw) according to you; it's still a dick move to use existing outdated laws to enforce an agenda to turn Times Square into a outdoor mall, fine your local club (many underground clubs, such as my Goth clubs suffered because of this) because 3 or more people were dancing, prevent restaurants from having a bathroom for customers if they're under a certain amount of customer seating (I believe 40 was the number), and other things that just only ruined the quality of things for small businesses and the less affluent. OgreMagi is right to say that you're giving up your constitutional rights jedi, to have a "safe" Manhattan.
2013-07-11 11:16:27 PM
2 votes:

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Smackledorfer: BMFPitt: Smackledorfer: I feel people like you, if given the power, would be even worse than those you rail against.

Who are people "like me"?

What do you see as the proper response to this kind of thing?

Why should I bother trying to reason with someone calling for the death penalty for cops and elected officials?

Cops and elected officials should be put to death. Or atleast beating, givin the state of things.


Politicians should be limited to serving two terms.  The second term served in prison.
2013-07-11 10:50:25 PM
2 votes:

Fark It: Impossible.  These are America's heroes, New York's finest.  Remember 9/11.


New York's finest is the FDNY.
2013-07-12 10:12:53 AM
1 votes:
From the NYMag.com article...

Serrano did as he was told, but as he took the men's I.D.'s and wrote their tickets, he told them: "I'm violating your rights, and you should take my name down. If you ever want to sue, you can use me as a witness."

Good man.
2013-07-11 11:54:36 PM
1 votes:

Trance354: cop hate thread of the day?

/little late in the day for it


stop whining about being late for the party.
2013-07-11 11:38:13 PM
1 votes:

jedihirsch: Yaaaawwwwwwn.

Don't blame the cops blame the system that has been around since Mayor LaGuardia. You want to know who are really bad with tickets, the Sanitation Cops, who give tickets for things that aren't illegal, then get the worst court date times to fight it, so most people just pay it. The NYPD has nothing on the sanitation cops.


the very hated Sanitation Cops who think b/c they got a badge they can be a$$holes and pricks


I just learned there is a whole separate bureau of cops in NYC called Sanitation cops.  Wow.
2013-07-11 11:36:04 PM
1 votes:
28.media.tumblr.com

To be fair the laws are such that's technically trespassing to be in the city.
2013-07-11 11:28:26 PM
1 votes:

davidphogan: Mock26: davidphogan: Fark It: Impossible.  These are America's heroes, New York's finest.  Remember 9/11.

New York's finest is the FDNY.

Those lazy bastards could not even contain two skyscraper fires!  Instead of doing their job and putting out the fires they turned tail and ran, letting the buildings collapse.  Hardly "finest" by any definition of the word.

Too soon.


i394.photobucket.com
/too bad the rest has yet to be finished...
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2013-07-11 11:00:19 PM
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: Smackledorfer: BMFPitt: Smackledorfer: Note it mentions compstat meetings.

This is deplorable, but final control over cops goes to elected officials, does it not?

Kick the farkers out.

Kick them out, send them all to jail under RICO laws, and farking hang them.

I feel people like you, if given the power, would be even worse than those you rail against.

If I got to be a benevolent-ish dictator of the US Im sure I wouldnt suck any worse than the republicrats and dempublicans


Hey that's clever what you did there. It never occured to me to say both sides are the same!

Any other gems?
2013-07-11 10:52:19 PM
1 votes:
Extremely high rent relative to the rest of the country.
Bloomberg making NYC into a Disneyland for well paid yuppies.
Cops that run around citing people for random reasons.
Gun laws that make more liberals question them.

Why do people want to live in NYC again?
2013-07-11 10:46:10 PM
1 votes:
Bored cops are never a good thing.

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2013-07-11 10:42:29 PM
1 votes:

Fluid: Sure, it makes the commanding officer look good. But won't someone notice sooner or later that some officers are doing suspiciously well?


Not if they know what's good for them.
2013-07-11 10:41:36 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Note it mentions compstat meetings.

This is deplorable, but final control over cops goes to elected officials, does it not?

Kick the farkers out.


Kick them out, send them all to jail under RICO laws, and farking hang them.
2013-07-11 10:31:02 PM
1 votes:

DarkSoulNoHope: Jeep2011: Since when did NYC become a small town?

Ever since Rudy Giuliani decided that NYC should become the new Disney World for white people. Bloomberg is just continuing the bad ideas.


You can get a large soda at Disney World.
2013-07-11 10:22:19 PM
1 votes:
If you don't like it, stop not committing crimes.
2013-07-11 10:21:03 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: [25.media.tumblr.com image 401x508]

"disgruntled NYPD office Pedro Serrano. "


Is very bad to steal Jobu's rum
/Is very bad
2013-07-11 08:12:05 PM
1 votes:
Philly's "PPA" has them beat.
 
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