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(Center for Public Integrity)   Wait ... the Senate is actually going to voluntarily do something?   (publicintegrity.org ) divider line 20
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2013-07-11 05:41:04 PM  
Oh my....I believe I am getting the vapors!
 
2013-07-11 05:41:27 PM  
Did they lock the Republicans in the hallway?
 
2013-07-11 05:41:31 PM  
No, no they will not.
 
2013-07-11 05:41:46 PM  
So, no nuclear option?
 
2013-07-11 05:45:50 PM  

Blathering Idjut: So, no nuclear option?


Not 100% sure on all the rules etc., but you can't filibuster a committee hearing.  Chuck Schumer (D) is calling the confirmation hearing to pass on the nominees to the full senate where they will die in filibuster hell, unless Reid actually did grow a pair this time.
 
2013-07-11 05:58:37 PM  

Blathering Idjut: So, no nuclear option?


Well 2 confirmations votes, how many are still in the queue? Like 300?
 
2013-07-11 06:00:14 PM  
No, they won't.  Subby's failure to understand the difference between the committee hearing and an actual Senate vote is extra special, given that the article clearly showcases the difference.

If the Senate Rules Committee approves Goodman and Ravel, the full Senate must confirm them - something it failed to do for labor lawyer John J. Sullivan, Obama's only other FEC nominee. Sullivan withdrew himself from consideration in 2010 after waiting 15 months for the Senate to vote on his nomination, which the Senate Rules Committee unanimously supported.
 
2013-07-11 06:02:02 PM  
The quiet GOP coup
 
2013-07-11 06:15:50 PM  
DNRTFT, but I'm guessing it has to be something evil.
 
2013-07-11 06:25:57 PM  

Emposter: No, they won't.  Subby's failure to understand the difference between the committee hearing and an actual Senate vote is extra special, given that the article clearly showcases the difference.

If the Senate Rules Committee approves Goodman and Ravel, the full Senate must confirm them - something it failed to do for labor lawyer John J. Sullivan, Obama's only other FEC nominee. Sullivan withdrew himself from consideration in 2010 after waiting 15 months for the Senate to vote on his nomination, which the Senate Rules Committee unanimously supported.


This is not a good way to ensure that we have qualified candidates in important government positions.
 
2013-07-11 06:31:42 PM  
The Senate isn't really responsible for Congress' ineptitude, it's the House that's to blame. You have a whole block of representatives who think it's their personal crusade (or jihad, if you will) to sit around and twiddle their thumbs and pontificate about how terrible the gubmint is
 
2013-07-11 06:41:01 PM  

fusillade762: Emposter: No, they won't.  Subby's failure to understand the difference between the committee hearing and an actual Senate vote is extra special, given that the article clearly showcases the difference.

If the Senate Rules Committee approves Goodman and Ravel, the full Senate must confirm them - something it failed to do for labor lawyer John J. Sullivan, Obama's only other FEC nominee. Sullivan withdrew himself from consideration in 2010 after waiting 15 months for the Senate to vote on his nomination, which the Senate Rules Committee unanimously supported.

This is not a good way to ensure that we have qualified candidates in important government positions.


But it's a great way to provide ammunition for the "government is bad" Party.

tortilla burger: The Senate isn't really responsible for Congress' ineptitude, it's the House that's to blame. You have a whole block of representatives who think it's their personal crusade (or jihad, if you will) to sit around and twiddle their thumbs and pontificate about how terrible the gubmint is


This is one of those times you're going to wish you'd actually looked at the article.
 
2013-07-11 06:43:19 PM  

Emposter: But it's a great way to provide ammunition for the "government is bad" Party.


Government is bad except for the parts that act as a violent enforcement arm for big corporations, which are awesome and can never get enough funding.
 
2013-07-11 06:52:42 PM  

tortilla burger: The Senate isn't really responsible for Congress' ineptitude, it's the House that's to blame.


In this case, both sides really are bad:  The House can't do anything useful/sane, and the Senate just plain can't do anything at all.

In the rare instances when one or the other of them shiats out a bill, it's dead in the other chamber anyway.

Then Obama tries to keep the country running with executive orders and Fox screams about him being a dictator.
 
2013-07-11 06:59:47 PM  
Our government is so hopelessly broken when only single-party rule allows anything to get done.
 
2013-07-11 09:47:27 PM  
Wow, at this rate, Obama MIGHT have all his appointments done three days after he leaves office.
 
2013-07-11 09:58:23 PM  

fusillade762: Emposter: No, they won't.  Subby's failure to understand the difference between the committee hearing and an actual Senate vote is extra special, given that the article clearly showcases the difference.

If the Senate Rules Committee approves Goodman and Ravel, the full Senate must confirm them - something it failed to do for labor lawyer John J. Sullivan, Obama's only other FEC nominee. Sullivan withdrew himself from consideration in 2010 after waiting 15 months for the Senate to vote on his nomination, which the Senate Rules Committee unanimously supported.

This is not a good way to ensure that we have qualified candidates in important government positions.


This is the only thing I believe we need a constitutional amendment on.  You get 30 days there Senate to start debate, and if you don't give 'em a thumbs down vote (note, not a filibuster) in another 30 days, they get the job, you lost your chance.  So the minority can force an approval (by filibustering the vote), or a super majority can vote 'em down (cloture motion passes with 60, votes "hell no").   These pro-forma meetings of the senate to block recess appointments after pointedly not doing their job is unconstitutional in my opinion, not that SCOTUS agrees with me.
 
2013-07-11 11:07:47 PM  

MadHatter500: fusillade762: Emposter: No, they won't.  Subby's failure to understand the difference between the committee hearing and an actual Senate vote is extra special, given that the article clearly showcases the difference.

If the Senate Rules Committee approves Goodman and Ravel, the full Senate must confirm them - something it failed to do for labor lawyer John J. Sullivan, Obama's only other FEC nominee. Sullivan withdrew himself from consideration in 2010 after waiting 15 months for the Senate to vote on his nomination, which the Senate Rules Committee unanimously supported.

This is not a good way to ensure that we have qualified candidates in important government positions.

This is the only thing I believe we need a constitutional amendment on.  You get 30 days there Senate to start debate, and if you don't give 'em a thumbs down vote (note, not a filibuster) in another 30 days, they get the job, you lost your chance.  So the minority can force an approval (by filibustering the vote), or a super majority can vote 'em down (cloture motion passes with 60, votes "hell no").   These pro-forma meetings of the senate to block recess appointments after pointedly not doing their job is unconstitutional in my opinion, not that SCOTUS agrees with me.


Something needs to be done. In 1960, JFK had his Cabinet and other appointments done within six months of taking office. Here we are, over a year into Obama's SECOND TERM in office--and we're still going through this nonsense to get his appointments approved, even while the GOP biatches and moans about him not doing his job. Well no duh he can't do his job, they won't let him appoint anyone to do the work. And it wouldn't be any different if the positions were reversed.

Senate should get a fixed period to demonstrate that Candidate X is NOT qualified to take the job, not to open a debate about whether he or she might or might not be qualified for reasons they will or won't get into after they open the debate. State the case or STFU. Then the candidate gets one fixed period to rebut; and like you say, anyone who misses the chance is out of luck. You're supposed to be professional, so equally, missing the chance to rebut the accusation should be a de facto presumption you're unfit. And then that's it.

This nonsense of it taking years and years for a sitting president to get his appointments approved simply because Congress feels like being assholes needs to stop.
 
2013-07-12 02:39:10 AM  
What, screw us citizens over? Yeah, they will  voluntarily do that every chance they get.
 
2013-07-12 02:42:02 AM  

tortilla burger: The Senate isn't really responsible for Congress' ineptitude, it's the House that's to blame. You have a whole block of representatives who think it's their personal crusade (or jihad, if you will) to sit around and twiddle their thumbs and pontificate about how terrible the gubmint is




I wonder what year it will be when congress votes to de-fund executive administrations.
 
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