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2013-07-11 06:00:38 PM  
5 votes:
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I'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you are offended, I'm actually sorry - just by the fact that you're Catholic.
It's got to be one of the most ludicrous farking beliefs ever. Like these vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child and suck your joy of life out of you the rest of your farking existence.
2013-07-11 05:55:49 PM  
5 votes:
I'm an atheist, and I was raised Catholic, and there's a whole lot of reasons to be anti-Catholic.  It's a "church" that has its own country, and has a huge amount of influence in many third-world countries where it gets to dictate laws that affect human rights and health care.  They have had slaves in Ireland up into the 1980's, and have worked for decades to cover up abuse by their leadership, silence critics, fight prosecution, and just flat out doing everything they could to prevent exposure and liability rather than deal with the problem.   On top of all that they make billions and don't have to pay taxes, then try various financial moves to move money from parishes that are liable for huge claims so they don't have to pay out.  It's despicable.
2013-07-11 06:49:15 PM  
4 votes:

Evil High Priest: red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.

Might have something to do with all the kid raping. Just a thought.


Not so much the kid raping as the Mafia-like actions to hide the kid raping from anyone else. Had they demonstrated an ounce of remorse, instead of building shell companies to hide the funds of archdioceses, attempting to hush the parents by offering them cash, slandering anyone who tried to bring their kid-raping priests to justice, and giving sermons that blamed the victims, I think folks would've been somewhat more forgiving.
2013-07-11 06:00:20 PM  
4 votes:

red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.


Awwwww, poor babies.  How about this: you remove that giant child-raping beam from your eye, and we'll remove the not-being-happy-with-people-supporting-a-group-that pretty-much-openly-abuses-said-people's-own-children mote from ours?  That work for you?  I mean I'm sorry I care more for your own children than you yourself do, but I guess I'm just a hateful Satanist for not gleefully offering the little tykes up as an offering,
2013-07-11 06:55:39 PM  
3 votes:

red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.


I don't have a problem with Catholics.  I have a problem with the Catholic Church.

The Catholics I've met (who I have known to be Catholics - I've probably met plenty of them who never got around to mentioning their exact flavor of religion to me) have been, as a rule, pretty decent folks.  I frequently disagree with them on certain topics, but for the most part they've been friendly and kind and have treated everyone around them with the kind of basic human decency that Jesus preached about, even when they don't agree with those people.

The Catholic Church, on the other hand, actively campaigns against programs to better the health and general well-being of others, particularly in third-world countries, because they're so focused on the "shalt nots" in their holy book that they missed the part about "be nice and take care of people."  Africa is still seeing devastatingly high rates of HIV infection, but the Catholic Church refuses to encourage the use of condoms, because their interpretation of the Bible says condoms are bad.  They're so tied up in "condoms are bad" that they can't see that HIV and AIDS are  worse.  They continue to actively work to keep the LGBT community relegated to second-class citizen status, particularly on the marriage front, when in the eyes of the law marriage is not a religious institution.  It CAN be, but the legal rights and protections granted by a legally binding marriage contract have nothing to do with religion, and you can be married in the eyes of the law without religion ever once coming into play (just ask all the married atheists out there!).  Never mind that every single gay marriage law that has been passed so far in America (I can't speak with authority about the laws in other countries) has included a provision that any church that is morally opposed to same-sex marriage cannot be forced to perform a wedding ceremony for a same-sex couple - they don't want to do it, so they don't want anyone else to be able to do it, ever, even though other groups performing the ceremonies  would have no impact on the Catholic Church whatsoever.  And I'm relatively certain that I don't need to delve into the details of the decades-long child molestation scandal and the Church's utterly insane and deplorable handling of it to let you know how I feel about THAT.

If you are Catholic, I don't have a problem with you or your beliefs, so long as you're not trying to force me to live by them.  But the leadership of the Catholic Church has a LOT to answer for.
2013-07-11 06:40:44 PM  
3 votes:

red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.


The Church put themselves in a position where they have become a punch line of a lot of bad jokes. It's like an alcoholic complaining about all those hateful people making jokes about them being a lush. If you don't like the bad reputation the Church has, put pressure on it to clean up its image and earn back the world's respect instead of whining about bias.

You know, that whole being judged by your works thing. I think I read it in a book somewhere.
2013-07-11 06:10:14 PM  
3 votes:

red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.


An empire built on blood, lined with gold and riches which claims to act in the name of God while the masses suffer. The catholic religion is a business, and not an honest one at that.
2013-07-11 05:48:41 PM  
3 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: An artist's conception of a FARK thread on Catholics/Catholicism.

A study from the 90s at The Catholic University of America (Dr. Glen Johnson, I believe). showed that Catholics are more likely to perceive anti-Catholic bias in media articles even if no bias was present.

So, yeah.


I'm an atheist, and Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.
2013-07-11 05:12:26 PM  
3 votes:
i2.photobucket.com

An artist's conception of a FARK thread on Catholics/Catholicism.
2013-07-11 07:32:46 PM  
2 votes:

red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.


Most people who are not an actual child molester or rapist themselves are virulently anti-child molestation and rape. Even murders hate them. When you make your organization synonymous with protecting child rapists, exposing children to an increased likelyhood of rape and molestation by letting them be alone with known rapists and molesters, trying to cover up the crimes of rape and molestation, and blaming the victims of rape and molestation for being attacked WHAT DO YOU FARKING EXPECT.

You do not get a free pass because you're a religion. You don't. I guess there will always be a certain amount of people who thinks it's okay to rape kids if you've dedicated the rest of your non-pedophilic rape time to god or being really really good at football, but most people don't. I would not say it is virulent, but yes, most people reject child rape vehemently and violently. It makes them very angry. It repels them. It disturbs people on a very primal animal level. Can you honestly not understand why institutionally protecting child molesters, and essentially helping them continue to molest by continuing to place predators in positions of authority with children is so horrible to people and so roundly condemned?

What group of people do you think could aid and abet child molestation to the degree the Catholic Church has that people wouldn't react this strongly to? There is no group of people or organization that could do this and have people think it was okay for them to keep doing it.
2013-07-11 06:50:57 PM  
2 votes:
Far be it from me to insert facts from tfa to point out the headline is trolling fail....

Okay, I lied.    I'm doing it!

Dalla Torre stressed that just because such acts are illegal now doesn't mean they were legal before. It merely means that, 100 years ago, child pornography was not specified as a crime in either the Italian legal code or the Vatican's.

They just clarified existing law and made explicit the general "being bad people" laws that were on the books before, and buffed the penalties a bit.
2013-07-11 06:46:06 PM  
2 votes:
Lovely work, pairing up the criminalization of info-leakers along with child molesters within their ranks.

Info leakers can get as much as 8 years, while pedophiles can walk away after a 5 year sentence.

Well, it's good to see where their priorities are.
2013-07-11 06:38:52 PM  
2 votes:

red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.


Might have something to do with all the kid raping. Just a thought.
2013-07-11 06:19:06 PM  
2 votes:

BMFPitt: KeithLM: I'm an atheist, and I was raised Catholic

When people ask me about my religion, I respond "I went to Catholic school for 9 years."  Some people understand this answer, and some don't.


Understood!
2013-07-11 06:04:50 PM  
2 votes:

KeithLM: I'm an atheist, and I was raised Catholic


When people ask me about my religion, I respond "I went to Catholic school for 9 years."  Some people understand this answer, and some don't.
2013-07-11 05:53:17 PM  
2 votes:

Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.


Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.
2013-07-11 04:39:45 PM  
2 votes:
I like how leaking info 'devastated the Vatican' but decades of raping children and covering it up was just swell.

Better pope, same corrupt, bullshiat church.
2013-07-12 12:40:29 AM  
1 votes:

Why Would I Read the Article: Kali-Yuga: 'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you are offended, I'm actually sorry - just by the fact that you're Catholic.
It's got to be one of the most ludicrous farking beliefs ever. Like these vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child and suck your joy of life out of you the rest of your farking existence.

There are lots of funny jokes about catholicism, but absolutely none of them have ever been thought of by Bill Hicks.


I don't think that part was actually supposed to be funny. From what I've seen of his stuff, he was often serious too, just with wry/ironic/sarcastic comments to take the edge off.
2013-07-12 12:35:13 AM  
1 votes:
Recovering catholic here. Back in the middle of the last century in the US it was not uncommon for non-catholics to send their problem children to catholic school to get some discipline. The kids being "different" were pretty much bully targets from the get go. Not only by their peers but the sadistic nuns seemed to delight in whipping the crap out of the "heathen" kids.
 It wasn't until I went to catholic high school that the pedophilia became apparent to me. At first I didn't understand the concept but it finally dawned on me that I was being groomed although it was long after that I learned that word for it. At the end of my second year I told my parents I didn't want to go back to that school because I didn't think it was right for young teen boys to have their bare bottoms spanked and then rubbed with lotion to "reduce the redness". At first they thought I was lying and just wanted to go to the excellent local public high school. It wasn't till after my mother made a few phone calls to other parents that I was yanked out of the sodomy factory.

I'm waiting for the new pope to succumb to some mysterious illness.

So, if you're having problems with your unruly children just send them over to St. Molestatoius. Sister Sadistica and Father O'Sodomy will certainly straighten them out
2013-07-11 11:23:39 PM  
1 votes:

Sargun: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: An artist's conception of a FARK thread on Catholics/Catholicism.

A study from the 90s at The Catholic University of America (Dr. Glen Johnson, I believe). showed that Catholics are more likely to perceive anti-Catholic bias in media articles even if no bias was present.

So, yeah.

I'm an atheist, and Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.


Can't speak for anyone else, but the individual Catholics I know are fine people, by and large.
And I don't hold the Inquisition, Crusades, etc, against them...ancient history.
The institution of the modern Church, however, set their ethical bar at "granting diplomatic immunity to child molesters".
If you're not virulently opposed to THAT, there's something wrong with you.
2013-07-11 10:26:31 PM  
1 votes:
I dig this Pope.  I hope he gets in there and shakes shiat up.
2013-07-11 09:33:26 PM  
1 votes:
Don't forget all those infants the Catholic church stole and sold in Spain.
2013-07-11 08:01:47 PM  
1 votes:

Lachwen: red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.

I don't have a problem with Catholics.  I have a problem with the Catholic Church.

The Catholics I've met (who I have known to be Catholics - I've probably met plenty of them who never got around to mentioning their exact flavor of religion to me) have been, as a rule, pretty decent folks.  I frequently disagree with them on certain topics, but for the most part they've been friendly and kind and have treated everyone around them with the kind of basic human decency that Jesus preached about, even when they don't agree with those people.

The Catholic Church, on the other hand, actively campaigns against programs to better the health and general well-being of others, particularly in third-world countries, because they're so focused on the "shalt nots" in their holy book that they missed the part about "be nice and take care of people."  Africa is still seeing devastatingly high rates of HIV infection, but the Catholic Church refuses to encourage the use of condoms, because their interpretation of the Bible says condoms are bad.  They're so tied up in "condoms are bad" that they can't see that HIV and AIDS are  worse.  They continue to actively work to keep the LGBT community relegated to second-class citizen status, particularly on the marriage front, when in the eyes of the law marriage is not a religious institution.  It CAN be, but the legal rights and protections granted by a legally binding marriage contract have nothing to do with religion, and you can be married in the eyes of the law without religion ever once coming into play (just ask all the married atheists out there!).  Never mind that every single gay marriage law that has been passed so far in America (I can't speak with authority about the laws in other countries) has included a provision that any church that is morally opposed to same-sex marriage cannot be forced to perform a wedding ceremony for a same-sex couple - they don't want to do it, so they don't want anyone else to be able to do it, ever, even though other groups performing the ceremonies  would have no impact on the Catholic Church whatsoever.  And I'm relatively certain that I don't need to delve into the details of the decades-long child molestation scandal and the Church's utterly insane and deplorable handling of it to let you know how I feel about THAT.

If you are Catholic, I don't have a problem with you or your beliefs, so long as you're not trying to force me to live by them.  But the leadership of the Catholic Church has a LOT to answer for.


Sorry but the laity doesn't get a free pass here. Where are the protests against the criminal mismanagement? Catholics are so wrapped up in the whole supremacy of mother church bullshiat that they can't or won't stick their necks out and do anything about it.
2013-07-11 07:20:11 PM  
1 votes:

Why Would I Read the Article: Kali-Yuga: 'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you are offended, I'm actually sorry - just by the fact that you're Catholic.
It's got to be one of the most ludicrous farking beliefs ever. Like these vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child and suck your joy of life out of you the rest of your farking existence.

There are lots of funny jokes about catholicism, but absolutely none of them have ever been thought of by Bill Hicks.


Agreed, and I love Bill Hicks. The best Catholic jokes are usually thought up by Catholics. Kevin Smith comes to mind.
2013-07-11 07:18:12 PM  
1 votes:
Given what Francis has been doing so far, this seems like it's almost certainly not his last say on the subject.
2013-07-11 06:57:39 PM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Evil High Priest: red5ish: Sargun: Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.

Not just Fark either. It's a sickness. I have many many Catholic friends and they are amazed at the degree of anti-Catholic hate online these days.

Might have something to do with all the kid raping. Just a thought.

Not so much the kid raping as the Mafia-like actions to hide the kid raping from anyone else. Had they demonstrated an ounce of remorse, instead of building shell companies to hide the funds of archdioceses, attempting to hush the parents by offering them cash, slandering anyone who tried to bring their kid-raping priests to justice, and giving sermons that blamed the victims, I think folks would've been somewhat more forgiving.


Well said. Religious leaders are supposed to set the bar higher, and they took the bar and sent it to the bottom of the ocean.
2013-07-11 06:26:42 PM  
1 votes:

Kali-Yuga: 'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you are offended, I'm actually sorry - just by the fact that you're Catholic.
It's got to be one of the most ludicrous farking beliefs ever. Like these vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child and suck your joy of life out of you the rest of your farking existence.


There are lots of funny jokes about catholicism, but absolutely none of them have ever been thought of by Bill Hicks.
2013-07-11 06:22:02 PM  
1 votes:

BMFPitt: KeithLM: I'm an atheist, and I was raised Catholic

When people ask me about my religion, I respond "I went to Catholic school for 9 years."  Some people understand this answer, and some don't.


I went to Baptist School from grade 5-12. I think we understand each other pretty well.
2013-07-11 06:13:46 PM  
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: An artist's conception of a FARK thread on Catholics/Catholicism.

A study from the 90s at The Catholic University of America (Dr. Glen Johnson, I believe). showed that Catholics are more likely to perceive anti-Catholic bias in media articles even if no bias was present.

So, yeah.


or maybe the researchers were just less likely to perceive anti-catholic bias, and incorrectly identified it as not being present.
2013-07-11 06:04:54 PM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: [i2.photobucket.com image 320x198]

An artist's conception of a FARK thread on Catholics/Catholicism.


Those poor oppressed Catholics. What have they ever done to deserve criticism?
2013-07-11 06:02:49 PM  
1 votes:

KeithLM: I'm an atheist, and I was raised Catholic, and there's a whole lot of reasons to be anti-Catholic.  It's a "church" that has its own country, and has a huge amount of influence in many third-world countries where it gets to dictate laws that affect human rights and health care.  They have had slaves in Ireland up into the 1980's, and have worked for decades to cover up abuse by their leadership, silence critics, fight prosecution, and just flat out doing everything they could to prevent exposure and liability rather than deal with the problem.   On top of all that they make billions and don't have to pay taxes, then try various financial moves to move money from parishes that are liable for huge claims so they don't have to pay out.  It's despicable.


You know that your factual error makes your point completely invalid right?  They had slaves in Ireland up to 1996, not the 1980s.  You deprived the Church of 16 whole years of slave-owning, and you didn't even compensate it for its loss.
2013-07-11 05:50:40 PM  
1 votes:

Sargun: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: An artist's conception of a FARK thread on Catholics/Catholicism.

A study from the 90s at The Catholic University of America (Dr. Glen Johnson, I believe). showed that Catholics are more likely to perceive anti-Catholic bias in media articles even if no bias was present.

So, yeah.

I'm an atheist, and Fark is so virulently anti-Catholic sometimes it's astounding.


I thought it was anti-Jew? Or possibly anti-Muslim.

/I'd say the place is fairly anti-religion, I don't think it's limited to or confined to your particular favorite
2013-07-11 05:46:08 PM  
1 votes:
Probably because someone pointed out to him after his comments on gay marriage being child abuse that actually abusing children probably was, too.
2013-07-11 05:34:21 PM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: An artist's conception of a FARK thread on Catholics/Catholicism.


A study from the 90s at The Catholic University of America (Dr. Glen Johnson, I believe). showed that Catholics are more likely to perceive anti-Catholic bias in media articles even if no bias was present.

So, yeah.
2013-07-11 04:59:49 PM  
1 votes:
Pope Francis overhauled the laws that govern the Vatican City State on Thursday, criminalizing leaks of Vatican information and specifically listing sexual violence, prostitution and possession of child pornography as crimes against children that can be punished by up to 12 years in prison.

Wait, they criminalized leaks of Vatican information? What if that information is important for people to know, like covering up child molestations?

/"up to 12 years in prison" seems pretty weak for sexual violence, prostitution and possession of child porn
2013-07-11 03:48:00 PM  
1 votes:
You'd think that after 1500 years since the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, they would have gotten around to it by now.

/Just proves that there's no pederast for the wicked.
 
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