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2013-07-11 05:25:07 PM  
Salt is good if you live where you sweat a lot.  Just don't overdo it Lot.
 
2013-07-11 05:25:21 PM  
asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.
 
2013-07-11 05:28:19 PM  
Where are we at with MSG nowadays?
 
2013-07-11 05:32:23 PM  

Bruxellensis: Where are we at with MSG nowadays?


The reactions to it are psychosomatic.
 
2013-07-11 05:33:55 PM  

Bruxellensis: Where are we at with MSG nowadays?


Like most everything, perfectly safe in moderation..
 
2013-07-11 05:33:56 PM  
I switched jobs a year ago and it did more to bring my blood pressure within the normal range than any diet change.  My $0.02.
 
2013-07-11 05:33:58 PM  
Who the *&^% wrote/edited that?

"major reductions is no longer considered a substantial health hazard. "

I stopped there.
 
2013-07-11 05:39:27 PM  
The cure for a salt overdose.
curezone.com
 
2013-07-11 05:51:53 PM  
Newsflash: We are all going to die.
 
2013-07-11 05:53:16 PM  

Captain Darling: asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.


I was prepared to take subby and the article to task for overstating the results of one outlier of a scientific study. Instead, subby deserves to be smacked around for sinply getting it wrong.
 
2013-07-11 05:59:53 PM  
"Did you know in the 20th century that they actually thought salt was bad for you?" ~"Max Eilerson", Babylon 5: Crusade
 
2013-07-11 06:16:43 PM  

HeFixesTheCable: Who the *&^% wrote/edited that?

"major reductions is no longer considered a substantial health hazard. "

I stopped there.


This. There is a reason that fail-outs from every major end up in journalism when their grade point is no longer good enough for any other major.
 
2013-07-11 06:22:37 PM  

mrlewish: The cure for a salt overdose.
[curezone.com image 400x500]


The toilet image you linked is broken.
 
2013-07-11 06:22:44 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: "Did you know in the 20th century that they actually thought salt was bad for you?" ~"Max Eilerson", Babylon 5: Crusade


Sounds like they ripped off Woody Allen

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c
 
2013-07-11 06:26:48 PM  
Ivo Shandor: The reactions to it are psychosomatic.

AND INSANE.

i.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-11 06:40:02 PM  

Bruxellensis: Where are we at with MSG nowadays?


I use it on egg sandwiches and grilled cheese sandwiches sometimes. I love that stuff.
 
2013-07-11 07:04:11 PM  
I always think of the scene in Up Periscope where they give the crew salt tablets.  They are hot and sweaty and they give the crew a dry salt tablet.  Now, I refilled the salt shaker for the first time in about two weeks and my wife gives me grief.
 
2013-07-11 07:12:52 PM  
Dear News Media and people writing FARK headlines;

The phrase "the poison is in the dose" was coined by Paracelsus in the early 1500s.  We accept that you're a little bit behind on science, but 500+ years behind is maybe just a  little bit much for you to be shocked and surprised that optimal dosages of things are more complicated than "more this goooooood"/"less this baaaaaad".

Sincerely,
Everyone that passed the third grade in a single try
 
2013-07-11 07:21:10 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Captain Darling: asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.

I was prepared to take subby and the article to task for overstating the results of one outlier of a scientific study. Instead, subby deserves to be smacked around for sinply getting it wrong.


Please, link the wonderful 'salt is bad at x level' studies that you have found.
 
2013-07-11 07:26:27 PM  
Is it too much to ask that bacon be added to this list?
 
2013-07-11 07:28:52 PM  

Smackledorfer: Ricardo Klement: Captain Darling: asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.

I was prepared to take subby and the article to task for overstating the results of one outlier of a scientific study. Instead, subby deserves to be smacked around for sinply getting it wrong.

Please, link the wonderful 'salt is bad at x level' studies that you have found.


http://kfor.com/2013/07/09/cdc-admits-long-standing-error-there-is-n o- benefit-in-reducing-salt/
 
2013-07-11 07:38:38 PM  
From the study that the article butchered and which was further paraphrased by the subby whose headline people are now discussing without reading any of the original material:

Despite public health efforts over the past several decades to encourage people in the United States to consume less sodium, adults still consume an average of 3,400 mg/day, well above the current federal guideline of 2,300 mg or less daily. Evidence has shown that reducing sodium intake reduces blood pressure and the risk of cardiovascular disease and stroke. Some recent research, however, suggests that sodium intakes that are low may also increase health risks - particularly in certain groups.

Well gee, it almost sounds like too much salt (i.e. the amount we eat) is still unhealthy!
 
2013-07-11 07:48:32 PM  
"Absent from the CDC study was the difference between healthy mineral salts and iodized table salt."

What the fark is this all about?
 
2013-07-11 07:49:20 PM  
Finally I can go back to snorting lines of salt like I did back in the 80's
 
2013-07-11 07:55:29 PM  

gfid: ArcadianRefugee: "Did you know in the 20th century that they actually thought salt was bad for you?" ~"Max Eilerson", Babylon 5: Crusade

Sounds like they ripped off Woody Allen

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c


First thing my husband said. "Woody Allen was right."
 
2013-07-11 08:04:36 PM  

Captain Darling: asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.


Only if you have high blood pressure. "One study from 2011, followed 28,800 subjects with high blood pressure ages 55 and older. "
It also helps if you follow the link in the article to the real article from preventdisease.com.
 
2013-07-11 08:05:29 PM  

SomeAmerican: From the study that the article butchered and which was further paraphrased by the subby whose headline people are now discussing without reading any of the original material:

Despite public health efforts over the past several decades to encourage people in the United States to consume less sodium, adults still consume an average of 3,400 mg/day, well above the current federal guideline of 2,300 mg or less daily. Evidence has shown that reducing sodium intake reduces blood pressure and the risk of cardiovascular disease and stroke. Some recent research, however, suggests that sodium intakes that are low may also increase health risks - particularly in certain groups.

Well gee, it almost sounds like too much salt (i.e. the amount we eat) is still unhealthy!


Except for that part of the article that says: "The report stated the risks of heart attacks, strokes, congestive heart failure and death from heart disease increased significantly for those consuming more than 7,000 milligrams of sodium a day and for those consuming fewer than 3,000 milligrams of sodium a day."

Here's the actual study's Findings and Conclusions, which you didn't read. They found that most studies were basically anecdotal, didn't account for preexisting diseases, and used bad measurements.
 
2013-07-11 08:11:30 PM  
Like most research reported by journalists, I'm taking this with a grain of...eh, nevermind.
 
2013-07-11 08:14:41 PM  

revrendjim: "Absent from the CDC study was the difference between healthy mineral salts and iodized table salt."

What the fark is this all about?


Because the study is about sodium intake. The "healthy" mineral salts are not sodium based.
 
2013-07-11 09:43:56 PM  
The big news of this study isn't that salt is healthy or unhealthy. Its that lowering salt too much trying to counteract high blood pressure can be worse for you than eating an average salt intake. This contradicts medical advice of at least the last thirty years.
 
2013-07-11 10:23:15 PM  
Next weeks headline: Salt causes cancer.
 
2013-07-11 10:33:51 PM  
This is the pinNaCle of modern dietary research!
 
2013-07-11 11:28:39 PM  

Smackledorfer: Ricardo Klement: Captain Darling: asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.

I was prepared to take subby and the article to task for overstating the results of one outlier of a scientific study. Instead, subby deserves to be smacked around for sinply getting it wrong.

Please, link the wonderful 'salt is bad at x level' studies that you have found.


Did you RTFA, or are you going by the Fark headline?
 
2013-07-11 11:44:48 PM  

Smackledorfer: Ricardo Klement: Captain Darling: asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.

I was prepared to take subby and the article to task for overstating the results of one outlier of a scientific study. Instead, subby deserves to be smacked around for sinply getting it wrong.

Please, link the wonderful 'salt is bad at x level' studies that you have found.


Response to mortality benefits from U.S. population-wide reduction in sodium consumption: projections from 3 modeling approaches.
Coxson PG, Bibbins-Domingo K, Cook NR, Joffres M, Schmidt SM.
Hypertension. 2013 Jun;61(6):e60. No abstract available.
PMID: 23819150 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Management of resistant hypertension].
Briet M, Bobrie G, Azizi M.
Rev Prat. 2013 May;63(5):681-8. French.
PMID: 23789498 [PubMed - in process]

Sodium intake of special populations in the Healthy Aging in Neighborhoods of Diversity Across the Life Span (HANDLS) study.
Cotugna N, Fanelli-Kuczmarksi M, Clymer J, Hotchkiss L, Zonderman AB, Evans MK.
Prev Med. 2013 Jun 13. doi:pii: S0091-7435(13)00198-9. 10.1016/j.ypmed.2013.06.006. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 23769900 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


Association of urinary sodium/creatinine ratio and urinary sodium/specific gravity unit ratio with blood pressure and hypertension: KNHANES 2009-2010.
Lee SG, Lee W, Kwon OH, Kim JH.
Clin Chim Acta. 2013 Jun 8;424C:168-173. doi: 10.1016/j.cca.2013.05.027. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 23751483 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


Sodium reduction in populations: insights from the Institute of Medicine committee.
Strom BL, Anderson CA, Ix JH.
JAMA. 2013 Jul 3;310(1):31-2. doi: 10.1001/jama.2013.7687. No abstract available.
PMID: 23743860 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Dietary potassium: a key mediator of the cardiovascular response to dietary sodium chloride.
Kanbay M, Bayram Y, Solak Y, Sanders PW.
J Am Soc Hypertens. 2013 Jun 1. doi:pii: S1933-1711(13)00085-5. 10.1016/j.jash.2013.04.009. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 23735420 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

[Hypertension in women].
Tagle V R, Acevedo M, Valdés G.
Rev Med Chil. 2013 Feb;141(2):237-47. doi: 10.4067/S0034-98872013000200014. Spanish.
PMID: 23732498 [PubMed - in process] Free Article

Dietary sodium, potassium, and alcohol: key players in the pathophysiology, prevention, and treatment of human hypertension.
Koliaki C, Katsilambros N.
Nutr Rev. 2013 Jun;71(6):402-11. doi: 10.1111/nure.12036. Epub 2013 Apr 11.
PMID: 23731449 [PubMed - in process]
Related citations

Is that enough?
 
2013-07-11 11:51:19 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Smackledorfer: Ricardo Klement: Captain Darling: asically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

Latest thing that used to be bad for you and still is: too much salt. Or too little.

I was prepared to take subby and the article to task for overstating the results of one outlier of a scientific study. Instead, subby deserves to be smacked around for sinply getting it wrong.

Please, link the wonderful 'salt is bad at x level' studies that you have found.

Response to mortality benefits from U.S. population-wide reduction in sodium consumption: projections from 3 modeling approaches.
Coxson PG, Bibbins-Domingo K, Cook NR, Joffres M, Schmidt SM.
Hypertension. 2013 Jun;61(6):e60. No abstract available.
PMID: 23819150 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Management of resistant hypertension].
Briet M, Bobrie G, Azizi M.
Rev Prat. 2013 May;63(5):681-8. French.
PMID: 23789498 [PubMed - in process]

Sodium intake of special populations in the Healthy Aging in Neighborhoods of Diversity Across the Life Span (HANDLS) study.
Cotugna N, Fanelli-Kuczmarksi M, Clymer J, Hotchkiss L, Zonderman AB, Evans MK.
Prev Med. 2013 Jun 13. doi:pii: S0091-7435(13)00198-9. 10.1016/j.ypmed.2013.06.006. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 23769900 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


Association of urinary sodium/creatinine ratio and urinary sodium/specific gravity unit ratio with blood pressure and hypertension: KNHANES 2009-2010.
Lee SG, Lee W, Kwon OH, Kim JH.
Clin Chim Acta. 2013 Jun 8;424C:168-173. doi: 10.1016/j.cca.2013.05.027. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 23751483 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


Sodium reduction in populations: insights from the Institute of Medicine committee.
Strom BL, Anderson CA, Ix JH.
JAMA. 2013 Jul 3;310(1):31-2. doi: 10.1001/jama.2013.7687. No abstract available.
PMID: 23743860 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Dietary potassium: a key mediator of the cardiovascular response to dietary sodium chloride.
Kanbay M, Bayram Y, Solak Y, Sanders PW.
J Am Soc Hypertens. 2013 Jun 1. doi:pii: S1933-1711(13)00085-5. 10.1016/j.jash.2013.04.009. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 23735420 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

[Hypertension in women].
Tagle V R, Acevedo M, Valdés G.
Rev Med Chil. 2013 Feb;141(2):237-47. doi: 10.4067/S0034-98872013000200014. Spanish.
PMID: 23732498 [PubMed - in process] Free Article

Dietary sodium, potassium, and alcohol: key players in the pathophysiology, prevention, and treatment of human hypertension.
Koliaki C, Katsilambros N.
Nutr Rev. 2013 Jun;71(6):402-11. doi: 10.1111/nure.12036. Epub 2013 Apr 11.
PMID: 23731449 [PubMed - in process]
Related citations

Is that enough?


Just scanning them a quick thought comes to mind: blood pressure may merely be a symptom of the things that kill us and not a cause.

You are one ornery and anal poster though. A linkslam instead of a discussion? You might be in the wrong portion of the internet.
 
2013-07-11 11:52:11 PM  
I wonder if you even read any of those yourself ;)
 
2013-07-12 12:21:07 AM  
Eat your potatoes and bananers people.
 
2013-07-12 02:57:43 AM  
Don't know how to cook?

Add salt!
 
2013-07-12 03:36:44 AM  

Albinoman: revrendjim: "Absent from the CDC study was the difference between healthy mineral salts and iodized table salt."

What the fark is this all about?

Because the study is about sodium intake. The "healthy" mineral salts are not sodium based.


No, read all the way to the bottom. There's a woo-woo "doctor" going on about precious bodily fluids whose adherents would probably have goiter if they weren't getting plenty of iodized salt baked into any food they buy.
 
2013-07-12 04:30:28 AM  
Salt is good for you if you get the kind of pink Himalayan salt that has minerals. It's a sea salt from when it used to be a sea. As a bonus, it tastes way better than the refined crap. And don't overdo it. The reason Americans eat too much salt isn't from adding salt to food. It's the refined crap that's bought in the grocery stores the packaged goods.
 
2013-07-12 08:57:37 AM  
There is enough salt in food naturally, no need to add it.
 
2013-07-12 09:47:40 AM  

sxacho: Bruxellensis: Where are we at with MSG nowadays?

I use it on egg sandwiches and grilled cheese sandwiches sometimes. I love that stuff.


I use it in soups, stews, etc.  Of course, in moderation.
 
2013-07-12 10:45:09 AM  
The only problem with salt is that it changes the osmotic pressure of your blood, disrupting the equilibrium it needs to get in and out of your body's cells, sometimes forcing your heart to pump harder to get the business of metabolism accomplished. Salt itself is never a problem; what's required is a maintenance of salt/water balance. It's possible to go in either direction. Eating too much salt without drinking enough water leads to hypertension. You can eat a plate of table salt every day as long as you drink an appropriate amount of water with it. Drinking too much water without salt causes problems too. This is mostly a concern for marathon runners.
 
2013-07-12 10:45:47 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Salt is good if you live where you sweat a lot.  Just don't overdo it Lot.


I see what you did there, even if no one else did.
 
2013-07-12 11:28:43 AM  

Kevin72: Salt is good for you if you get the kind of pink Himalayan salt that has minerals. It's a sea salt from when it used to be a sea. As a bonus, it tastes way better than the refined crap. And don't overdo it. The reason Americans eat too much salt isn't from adding salt to food. It's the refined crap that's bought in the grocery stores the packaged goods.


Had this argument too many times to do more than post a link.
 
2013-07-12 12:33:41 PM  

Tommy Moo: Smeggy Smurf: Salt is good if you live where you sweat a lot.  Just don't overdo it Lot.

I see what you did there, even if no one else did.


That's because nobody else took a second look.
 
2013-07-12 02:16:33 PM  
Is "sea" salt really that great? I would imagine that salt mined from deep within the earth, was in a sea at some time, millions of years ago, if that is the case, then all salt is "sea salt".
 
2013-07-12 06:17:44 PM  

Bruxellensis: sxacho: Bruxellensis: Where are we at with MSG nowadays?

I use it on egg sandwiches and grilled cheese sandwiches sometimes. I love that stuff.

I use it in soups, stews, etc.  Of course, in moderation.


Too much of the magic flavor crystals and it ends up tasting one dimensional, like eating too many doritos. A light hand with the msg and people will goes apes hit about how good your chili tastes.
 
2013-07-12 06:22:44 PM  

Pick: Is "sea" salt really that great? I would imagine that salt mined from deep within the earth, was in a sea at some time, millions of years ago, if that is the case, then all salt is "sea salt".


A friend of mine sent me some sea salt that her family had gathered from some beach rocks near their house in Molokai. It definitely tastes different from Morton's iodized. There's a hint of magnesium and potassium that's lacking in the industrial stuff.

It's really good on steak or on fried eggs.
 
2013-07-12 06:30:10 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Bruxellensis: sxacho: Bruxellensis: Where are we at with MSG nowadays?

I use it on egg sandwiches and grilled cheese sandwiches sometimes. I love that stuff.

I use it in soups, stews, etc.  Of course, in moderation.

Too much of the magic flavor crystals and it ends up tasting one dimensional, like eating too many doritos. A light hand with the msg and people will goes apes hit about how good your chili tastes.


Precisely.
 
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