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(Washington Post)   Harry Reid says he's giving the Senate GOP just one week to stop filibustering Obama's nominees or he's going to go "nuclear" on their asses-and says that THIS time he really, really, really means it   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 72
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2013-07-11 03:03:29 PM
How about getting them to START filibustering? If Wendy Davis can stand up for hours and explain why the Republicans are dicks for their anti-abortion law, then some GOP Senator can stand up for hours and explain why Obama is wrong to nominate so-and-so to chair the Commission on Reorganization of Governmental Agencies and Thisandthats.
 
2013-07-11 03:11:38 PM
lol

and yes, no more secret anonymous holds
and yes, you want to filibuster? no problem. stand up. no water breaks. no questions from the audience, no pee breaks, no diapers,

/of course, people would complain about people in wheel chairs .... sigh
 
2013-07-11 03:16:14 PM
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2013-07-11 03:16:38 PM
I know the Senate is supposed to be the more deliberate, wise, adult body of Congress, so in some ways it makes sense to have some mechanism that can slow down legislation from just simple majority votes on any issue, but it does seem to have gotten out of hand. One, it seems as though the Senators have become more dysfunctional. They don't speak with members of the opposite party. They don't seem to be moving toward the rational compromise that one would ideally expect out Senators. You have the leader of one faction saying their primary goal is to obstruct the executive branch instead of working to better the country. Maybe they should change the rules to something more like the filibuster you actually have to filibuster and not just threaten to do so, and change the threshold of ending a filibuster to something more like 55 votes.
 
2013-07-11 03:16:49 PM
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1) Reid will tell Democrats at his caucus lunch today that the decision on whether they change the rules via simple majority - eliminating the filibuster on executive nominations - should turn on how Republicans respond to the above nominations early next week.

2) Reid will take the temperature of the Democratic caucus on rules reform, and see whether there is majority appetite for a rules change.

3) Reid will file cloture on all of the aforementioned negotiations later today. pussy out

4) Democrats will privately continue to discuss the situation as the Republicans respond to those nominations (this is political speak for doing f*cking nothing).

5) Next week, depending on how Republicans respond, the final decision on whether to go nuclear will be made. nothing will happen.
 
2013-07-11 03:18:04 PM
Most of the GOP are just assholes.

I know this sounds petty, and it IS petty, but why not make these people social pariahs around Washington? Washington DC has so many fetes and parties and dinners and awards and such.

So, stop inviting the assholes, and their staffs, and their families.
 
2013-07-11 03:20:26 PM

vernonFL: Most of the GOP are just assholes.

I know this sounds petty, and it IS petty, but why not make these people social pariahs around Washington? Washington DC has so many fetes and parties and dinners and awards and such.

So, stop inviting the assholes, and their staffs, and their families.


Because then you wouldn't have anyone to invite?
 
2013-07-11 03:49:08 PM
Reid will fold.

Reid always folds.

Damn it.
 
2013-07-11 03:54:27 PM

Therion: Reid will fold.

Reid always folds.

Damn it.


Well, yes, and then there is this. I'm just not sure if he was born spineless or if it was removed later in his life.
 
2013-07-11 04:06:40 PM
Perfect example of need for "Bullshiat" tag.  Of course you could replace the whole Politics tab with it.
 
2013-07-11 04:12:24 PM
Reid is nothing. He is a putz. He should have done it years ago. He should have done it with this new session.

If the Republicans ever get into power, they'll get rid of it to get their shiat through.
 
2013-07-11 04:19:28 PM
Gods he's such a miserable politician/negotiator. Reid basically has been pissing away his majority in the Senate like a racehorse with prostate problems.
 
2013-07-11 04:25:25 PM

Darth_Lukecash: If the Republicans ever get into power, they'll get rid of it to get their shiat through.


Make no mistake, this is precisely what will happen if the GOP gain Senate majority and the White House.  It will be on the very first day of the very first session.  It will be the first thing they do.
 
2013-07-11 04:28:35 PM

SphericalTime: Gods he's such a miserable politician/negotiator. Reid basically has been pissing away his majority in the Senate like a racehorse with prostate problems.


He can't really do all that much anyway, except for this. He should have gone nuclear 4 years ago though.
 
2013-07-11 04:32:08 PM
DO IT! You goddamn respirating foreskin.
 
2013-07-11 04:45:29 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-07-11 04:49:19 PM
Sure you will, Harry.
 
2013-07-11 04:52:08 PM
He's preserving the status quo to hedge against the possibility of the GOP taking the Senate again some day.  Brilliant, I'd say.
 
2013-07-11 04:52:20 PM
I'll see it when I believe it.
 
2013-07-11 04:53:16 PM

GoldSpider: He's preserving the status quo to hedge against the possibility of the GOP taking the Senate again some day.  Brilliant, I'd say.


Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?
 
2013-07-11 04:53:24 PM
The Senate used to operate on the principle that norms governed conduct on the floor. It does not anymore. The rules should be changed in accordance with the destruction of those norms.
 
2013-07-11 04:56:18 PM

Therion: Reid will fold.

Reid always folds.

Damn it.


That's why he's lasted so long as Leader. His Dems love it when he talks his game, and then wimps out. Again. It's a good way to look good to your base, while simultaneously accidentally making sure the money keeps flowing upward as god intended.
 
2013-07-11 04:56:48 PM

WorldCitizen: They don't seem to be moving toward the rational compromise that one would ideally expect out Senators.


Because you're dealing with a faction of politicians who earnestly believe that 'compromise' means 'you agree to do what we want and only what we want'. As long as Republicans hold any kind of power, this crap will continue. God help us if they regain a majority and the White House. It'll make all the bullshiat going on at the state level look tame in comparison.
 
2013-07-11 04:56:49 PM

WorldCitizen: Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?


It just means he wants to have the same obstructions protections at his party's disposal, should they fall into the minority in the future.
 
2013-07-11 04:57:46 PM

GoldSpider: He's preserving the status quo to hedge against the possibility of the GOP taking the Senate again some day.  Brilliant, I'd say.


No, he's preserving the status quo so that the Democrats can continue being "helpless". When/if their hands are untied and they are still the Never Make Things Better Party, they'll lose support even if the Republicans continue to be the Always Make Things Worse Party.
 
2013-07-11 04:57:55 PM

Serious Black: The Senate used to operate on the principle that norms governed conduct on the floor. It does not anymore. The rules should be changed in accordance with the destruction of those norms.


The problem is to change those rules would mean you would limit obstructionism, which is guaranteed to be met with obstruction.
 
2013-07-11 04:58:55 PM
Do it. Don't say you'll do it. Just do it. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Do it for me. Do it for you. Do it for the last five years. Do it for all who have come before us. Do it for America.
 
2013-07-11 04:58:56 PM

GoldSpider: WorldCitizen: Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?

It just means he wants to have the same obstructions protections at his party's disposal, should they fall into the minority in the future.


I give it a 75% chance the Republicans will get rid of the filibuster as soon as they have a relatively safe majority. Will of the people and all that.
 
2013-07-11 04:59:09 PM

GoldSpider: WorldCitizen: Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?

It just means he wants to have the same obstructions protections at his party's disposal, should they fall into the minority in the future.


So just change the rules for filibustering nominees. Say, by forcing a floor vote on nominees within 3-6 months or the nominee is presumed to have gained the Senate's consent.
 
2013-07-11 04:59:37 PM

Car_Ramrod: GoldSpider: WorldCitizen: Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?

It just means he wants to have the same obstructions protections at his party's disposal, should they fall into the minority in the future.

I give it a 75% chance the Republicans will get rid of the filibuster as soon as they have a relatively safe majority. Will of the people and all that.


And then restore it during the interim period after the election the first time they lose their majority.
 
2013-07-11 05:01:28 PM
If only had a brain

A heart

A home

The balls
 
2013-07-11 05:02:14 PM

GoldSpider: WorldCitizen: Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?

It just means he wants to have the same obstructions protections at his party's disposal, should they fall into the minority in the future.


Yes, I understand that. However, do you think the modern version of Republicans won't change the rules the second they get the majority to remove that process that Reid has been holding onto (my guess in some hopes that Republicans would hold onto the rules as well when they get the majority)? It's a nice thought, but I think with modern Republicans it's completely naive of him. I don't think they have any such honor.
 
2013-07-11 05:02:47 PM
Do this. you can filibuster with 40 votes for one week, 45  votes for next week and then you need 51 to stop it after that.

This would be great because if someone was trying to push a bill through the minority would still be able to slow it down and make it costly against the majority but then they couldn't just do it to stop a bill.
 
2013-07-11 05:03:59 PM

WorldCitizen: GoldSpider: WorldCitizen: Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?

It just means he wants to have the same obstructions protections at his party's disposal, should they fall into the minority in the future.

Yes, I understand that. However, do you think the modern version of Republicans won't change the rules the second they get the majority to remove that process that Reid has been holding onto (my guess in some hopes that Republicans would hold onto the rules as well when they get the majority)? It's a nice thought, but I think with modern Republicans it's completely naive of him. I don't think they have any such honor.


When they were in charge the had already said they would change the rules unless every candidate was brought up for a vote. They have already said they will change the rule themselves.
 
2013-07-11 05:06:13 PM

WorldCitizen: GoldSpider: WorldCitizen: Like the Republicans will play be the same rules?

It just means he wants to have the same obstructions protections at his party's disposal, should they fall into the minority in the future.

Yes, I understand that. However, do you think the modern version of Republicans won't change the rules the second they get the majority to remove that process that Reid has been holding onto (my guess in some hopes that Republicans would hold onto the rules as well when they get the majority)? It's a nice thought, but I think with modern Republicans it's completely naive of him. I don't think they have any such honor.


I'd like to not be so cynical as to think they'd do that. I'd also like to have a pet unicorn and a mountain of gold the size of Everest.
 
2013-07-11 05:12:15 PM
Sure he will
 
2013-07-11 05:12:56 PM
What's the point of changing it now, though?  The Rs still hold the house, so you're just giving them ammo to say how you're horrible and changing rules and "They did it first", but you'll not get anything good passed anyway, because you can't get anything through the house. Retake the house (admittedly ridiculous with the BS gerrymandering), THEN go nuclear if the obstructionism continues. This smacks a little too much of pre-emptive strike to me, with all the talk of "they will once they're in charge!"

Want those nominees in place?  Start taking out commercials with the Reps from a few years back screaming "Up or Down Vote!"  Might not work, but you can bet that the Repubs will scream from every rooftop about oppression and changing the rules to win the instant they do it.
 
2013-07-11 05:12:57 PM
 
2013-07-11 05:13:32 PM
Here's the likely next Senate Majority Leader if the R(ape) party takes control again:

McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

So, yes. Wise and deliberative. They will absolutely reform or kill the filibuster on day one.
 
2013-07-11 05:14:00 PM
I think the problemis that Reid makes these threats but he doesn't have the votes on his side of the aisle to make it happen.  If that's the case, I want to know which Dem. senators are balking at this.
 
2013-07-11 05:14:38 PM
Yeah, I doubt it.
 
2013-07-11 05:21:33 PM
I don't understand why Reid keep the filibuster at all. As I understand it, all it would take for the filibuster to be completely eradicated would be for the Senate Majority Leader (Reid himself) to unilaterally declare that it is so. Does he not suppose that if the GOP had a majority in the Senate that they would do exactly that? Is he trying to be a gentleman? Look at how often Boehner invokes the ungentlemanly Hastert rule.

I swear to god politics is a game of Prisoner's Dilemma in which the Dems constantly play "cooperate" while the GOP constantly plays "betray."
 
2013-07-11 05:30:28 PM

Tommy Moo: I don't understand why Reid keep the filibuster at all. As I understand it, all it would take for the filibuster to be completely eradicated would be for the Senate Majority Leader (Reid himself) to unilaterally declare that it is so. Does he not suppose that if the GOP had a majority in the Senate that they would do exactly that? Is he trying to be a gentleman? Look at how often Boehner invokes the ungentlemanly Hastert rule.

I swear to god politics is a game of Prisoner's Dilemma in which the Dems constantly play "cooperate" while the GOP constantly plays "betray."


It's almost as if both teams ultimately answer to the same lizard people.. 'Oh, darn! Look what happened: the status quo was accidentally preserved. Heck!'
 
2013-07-11 05:32:11 PM

Tommy Moo: I don't understand why Reid keep the filibuster at all. As I understand it, all it would take for the filibuster to be completely eradicated would be for the Senate Majority Leader (Reid himself) to unilaterally declare that it is so. Does he not suppose that if the GOP had a majority in the Senate that they would do exactly that? Is he trying to be a gentleman?


The fillibuster provides cover for bluedog democrats, because it keeps them from having to vote on things that can be used against them in re-election in their red states.    That's why Reid is only threatening to use nuclear option on benign things like executive cabinet positions, that are hard to put into political TV attack ads.
 
2013-07-11 05:32:17 PM

Evil High Priest: Tommy Moo: I don't understand why Reid keep the filibuster at all. As I understand it, all it would take for the filibuster to be completely eradicated would be for the Senate Majority Leader (Reid himself) to unilaterally declare that it is so. Does he not suppose that if the GOP had a majority in the Senate that they would do exactly that? Is he trying to be a gentleman? Look at how often Boehner invokes the ungentlemanly Hastert rule.

I swear to god politics is a game of Prisoner's Dilemma in which the Dems constantly play "cooperate" while the GOP constantly plays "betray."

It's almost as if both teams ultimately answer to the same lizard people are capitalists.. 'Oh, darn! Look what happened: the status quo was accidentally preserved. Heck!'


It's not a farking mystery what's going on here.
 
2013-07-11 05:34:06 PM
Someone has their MAGIC UNDERWEAR on way too tight and needs to chill a little.
 
2013-07-11 05:34:39 PM
I thought this was going to be about the 3 DC court vacancies, what ever happened to those guys anyway?
 
2013-07-11 05:36:42 PM
Hey, Reid, Obama:
DO IT!  This is what I voted for!
 
2013-07-11 05:38:56 PM
Reid: "Hurry up and do what we want. we can't sell out the government to the unions this way..."
 
2013-07-11 05:39:43 PM
Yeah, Harry. This time I believe you.
 
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