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2013-07-11 05:17:07 PM

Telos: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in  video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.

Your move. Sir.

Yeah, which is why there are no games whatsoever based on gathering!


Purely gathering games like the Sims are played by women.

Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.

*highly generalized and obviously there are exceptions to the rule... I'm talking about 90% guys playing reflex games vs. 70% women playing gathering games (as being major indicators of trend / our socialization differences).
 
2013-07-11 05:19:25 PM

NostroZ: for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.


Let me retract... female dominated games are more about social interaction and cooperative play vs. competitive play.

(I was thinking about ladies being 'nice to look at'... my little head got ahead of my big one)
 
2013-07-11 05:24:18 PM

NostroZ: Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-11 05:26:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I just don't understand why girl/ladies/women want to be sheltered as a protected group. My point (maybe I wasn't clear) was that the insults that are flung at the boys are targeted to hurt them on topics they care about. And if you want gender equality, you're going to have to understand that when you are insulted they will be targeting topics that are meaningful to women. It's how insulting works. If they aren't targeting topics you care about then they arn't trying to insult you.


Women don't want to be "sheltered" or "protected" more than men.

Women know that the first thing people are going to tell her, when they are angry with her, that she's ugly.

They also know that they will be called a coont.  That they should be raped.  That they are worthless and can't do anything as good as men ever.

Women already know this.  They know they can't stop assholes from saying this.

The point feminists are trying to make is that these type of insults are different.  If you're claiming that they are the same type of insults men receive, well I guess we just disagree.

I think these types of insults are different because they don't just insult the specific women, they perpetuate misogyny against all women.  The implication that a woman's entire self worth should be damaged by being called an ugly slut attacks on two fronts: By being hurtful and insulting, and also reaffirming misogyny.

This is what I believe, you don't have to.  Women are tired of being insulted nearly entirely in sexual terms while men aren't.  They also would like to be raped less, but that's a whole another discussion.
 
2013-07-11 05:28:56 PM

NostroZ: Right. Women play The Sims and other point and click story / sandbox game playing off the nesting instinct.


I can't speak to the specific psychology of it, but I know that generally speaking, people get the video games they're willing to buy and support.

NostroZ: Entertainment in general has become stodgy. The problem is finance people coming in trying to lead creative people... that's not how it's done in entertainment. There needs to be a balance in the dance, but the creative side leads, while finance follows and screams "ow, you stepped on my foot".


I don't disagree.  I personally think publishers are a good thing because it gives developers control over the quality and quantity of the product.  The problem is that this is merely in theory, and will inevitably foster the parasites who want to siphon all the money and creativity out of the racket.  So yeah, here we are, with publishers pretty much controlling the entire creative process.  My beef is with the magical notion that this is merely a matter of gender equality.  The implications are far, far wider reaching, but if you're looking for attention, it's easier to turn a complex economic issue into a simplified and tightly-focused emotional issue.

Esc7: I feel like the games themselves will be remembered for innovative gameplay and vision, while the graphics companies will be applauded for fidelity. (or both for Unreal Studios)


Yeah, that's how it usually is.  However, I think there's going to be a little bit more appreciation for the mechanics in some of the games in this generation, particularly if "plays itself" like Ryse becomes the norm.  That's kind of the way that I'm looking at it.  People will be nostalgic for the "days of Call of Duty and Arkham Asylum", even as people act like the fifty-million-dollar game is some nadir of development today.
 
2013-07-11 05:35:34 PM
Meh,


25.media.tumblr.com


Steam Summer Sale is on now.
 
2013-07-11 05:39:21 PM
Wait, XBox is still a thing?
 
2013-07-11 05:39:31 PM

LesserEvil: I don't care if the head of the Xbox division is a guy or a girl... if they aren't a GAMER, they shouldn't be there.

It's like putting Bonnie Hammer, an person who admits she doesn't like Sci-Fi, in charge of a science Fiction network... oh wait....

So this new division head will want to shape the Xbox One even more into a "media appliance" so they can watch their cable box through it and continue to denigrate gamers who lack decent broadband, and not understand the fuss over intrusive DRM or privacy issues. Yipee!




It's all for the consumers now.

fark IT.
 
2013-07-11 05:40:44 PM

NostroZ: Telos: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in  video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.

Your move. Sir.

Yeah, which is why there are no games whatsoever based on gathering!

Purely gathering games like the Sims are played by women.

Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.

*highly generalized and obviously there are exceptions to the rule... I'm talking about 90% guys playing reflex games vs. 70% women playing gathering games (as being major indicators of trend / our socialization differences).



Listen.  I don't want to insult you.  I don't think you're dumb or sexist at all.
But don't you think your arguments on evolutionary biology and hunting vs gathering sound an awful lot like other disturbing racist and sexist arguments?

Like how slave owners argued that black people were obviously dumb and stronger than white people so that made it ok to enslave them?  Fast twitch muscle fiber?  Does any of this ring any alarm bells?

What you just wrote would probably go over pretty well with the Taliban telling their women to get back into kitchen and gather/arrange while the men go out and hunt.

I don't think this is your intention at all but these wide sweeping "biological" arguments seem to always be used more for evil than for good.

I think we shouldn't worry so much about what divides men and women in likes and dislikes.  Having to 'prove' why some women like to knit doesn't do anything to help.  Instead just concentrate on liking what you like.
 
2013-07-11 05:45:35 PM

NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology...


 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were attempting to make a scientific point. Mythology class is down the hall.
 
2013-07-11 05:47:15 PM
Is she the one that developed the Metro UI? If so, then yeah- I'll drink the kool aid and hate too. Goddamn that awful interface.
 
2013-07-11 05:47:16 PM

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: Entertainment in general has become stodgy. The problem is finance people coming in trying to lead creative people... that's not how it's done in entertainment. There needs to be a balance in the dance, but the creative side leads, while finance follows and screams "ow, you stepped on my foot".

I don't disagree.  I personally think publishers are a good thing because it gives developers control over the quality and quantity of the product.  The problem is that this is merely in theory, and will inevitably foster the parasites who want to siphon all the money and creativity out of the racket.  So yeah, here we are, with publishers pretty much controlling the entire creative process.  My beef is with the magical notion that this is merely a matter of gender equality.  The implications are far, far wider reaching, but if you're looking for attention, it's easier to turn a complex economic issue into a simplified and tightly-focused emotional issue.


I was using the dance analogy as a happy interaction between two different types of thinking / feeling regarding decisions, risk, and creativity.

The truth of the matter is that men will always be the one's who will be on the bleeding edge of technology.  You will not hear about a woman sleeping on her office floor for weeks, eating ketchup sandwiches for years, to become the best/head of something... but that's the story of Marc Cuban and lots of video game developers.  So invariably, these people will make things that they like.  Also, these people will be the 'founders' of organizations... but times change... we are no longer on the bleeding edge of video games.  The same concepts are being re-hashed and things are getting stagnant.  So they bring in a woman, shake things up.

I say, kudos.  I like women in power.  Especially one's that know that they are not there to please everyone and allow their talent to work independently.  Hell, a woman was in charge of catching Osama Bin Laden.  She was one hell raiser.

Back to the point.  Video games, as well as movies, have become too finance driven where creative people are shunned in favor of repeating past success in hopes of future profits.
 
2013-07-11 05:50:22 PM

Cytokine Storm: NostroZ: Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.

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I did that in Skyrim, outside my starting home/breezehome.  I eventually had stop and clean it out, as it was causing the zone to crash and occasionally launching me beneath the map if I tried to move through the debris field.
 
2013-07-11 05:50:36 PM
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The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race laughs at these noises.  Our women are obedient and much hotter.
 
2013-07-11 05:51:29 PM

Esc7: *highly generalized and obviously there are exceptions to the rule... I'm talking about 90% guys playing reflex games vs. 70% women playing gathering games (as being major indicators of trend / our socialization differences).


Listen.  I don't want to insult you.  I don't think you're dumb or sexist at all.
But don't you think your arguments on evolutionary biology and hunting vs gathering sound an awful lot like other disturbing racist and sexist arguments?

Like how slave owners argued that black people were obviously dumb and stronger than white people so that made it ok to enslave them?  Fast twitch muscle fiber?  Does any of this ring any alarm bells?

What you just wrote would probably go over pretty well with the Taliban telling their women to get back into kitchen and gather/arrange while the men go out and hunt.

I don't think this is your intention at all but these wide sweeping "biological" arguments seem to always be used more for evil than for good.

I think we shouldn't worry so much about what divides men and women in likes and dislikes.  Having to 'prove' why some women like to knit doesn't do anything to help.  Instead just concentrate on liking what you like.


Listen buddy, I'm not here to please your politically correct mentality that ignores BASIC differences between people and races.

Obviously, the reason that just about all NBA players are black is because they WANT it more than white kids... no genetic differences, whatsoever.

Please keep your high horse finger thumping to yourself and your white middle class friends who care about your blind to race/sex posturing.
 
2013-07-11 05:54:06 PM

NostroZ: Listen buddy, I'm not here to please your politically correct mentality that ignores BASIC differences between people and races.




kkk.org
Proud.
 
2013-07-11 05:54:13 PM

Esc7: Women don't want to be "sheltered" or "protected" more than men.

Women know that the first thing people are going to tell her, when they are angry with her, that she's ugly.

They also know that they will be called a coont. That they should be raped. That they are worthless and can't do anything as good as men ever.

Women already know this. They know they can't stop assholes from saying this.

The point feminists are trying to make is that these type of insults are different. If you're claiming that they are the same type of insults men receive, well I guess we just disagree.

I think these types of insults are different because they don't just insult the specific women, they perpetuate misogyny against all women. The implication that a woman's entire self worth should be damaged by being called an ugly slut attacks on two fronts: By being hurtful and insulting, and also reaffirming misogyny.

This is what I believe, you don't have to. Women are tired of being insulted nearly entirely in sexual terms while men aren't. They also would like to be raped less, but that's a whole another discussion.


I dont know your situation or anything but I don't think you've been around a bunch of guy insulting and trash talking but "you going to get fu*k" is fairly common and talking about raping someone (another male) is also fairly common. Hell the act of tea bagging someone (simulating forcing sexual organs into someone mouth or onto another the person's body) is about as rapely as you can get though a game like Halo. And guys do that to guys all the time. Can't do something as well as men?! Please. Have you ever hear a man tell another man to "man up"? Same same. He is calling him a boy and that he should act like a man.

Most of the time when women are complaining about being treated unfairly it is because they are being treated like one of the guy.

And these feminists are the ones that say that calling a women ugly is super hurtful and by trying to shelter them they are implying that they can't handle it. If anything the feminists as you call them are the ones that are insulting women the most.

The only reason I'm letting you know all this is because I don't want you to feel singled out when a guy is an arsehole to you. We're arsehole to each other all the time dont feel special. Instead if a guy is actually nice to you understand that guy really really like you and you should be nice to him back.
 
2013-07-11 05:55:59 PM

Theaetetus: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology...

 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were attempting to make a scientific point. Mythology class is down the hall.


1) You are not Mike_LowELL with whom I was having the discussion with.

2) Mythology is the study of myths.  I referenced an article about basic male v. female differences from NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.  This would be BIOLOGY class, which you obviously failed to attend -or English class, as you do not understand basic differences in academic studies.

3) Blindness to differences between people does not make you a  better personit makes you a more ignorant one.
 
2013-07-11 05:56:31 PM
How is it even possible that no one has made an XBone joke yet? FARK, I AM DISAPPOINT.
 
2013-07-11 05:57:06 PM
I bet Stealth Hippopotamus thinks of himself as a "nice guy".
 
2013-07-11 05:59:34 PM

Theaetetus: NostroZ: Listen buddy, I'm not here to please your politically correct mentality that ignores BASIC differences between people and races.

[kkk.org image 512x350]
Proud.


LoL.

You are a real special kind of forcefully dumb and ignorant of basic differences.

I know it's easier to say KKK anytime I mention a general trend that hurts you politically correct mind, but this is time around the table with your white college educated buddies.

Because let me tell you... the position you hold, that THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES, is typically ONLY held by college educated whites.

Who were also members of the KKK at the time it existed.

Good day.
I wish you best of luck with your mental laziness and finger pointing at anyone who thinks/speaks differently than you.
 
2013-07-11 06:02:22 PM

NostroZ: general trend that hurts you politically correct mind, but this is NOT

 time around the table with your white college educated buddies.   Pounding your chest at who is the least racist.

 Who cares?

It only matters what you vote on / do when you have power.
 
2013-07-11 06:02:39 PM

Theaetetus: I bet Stealth Hippopotamus thinks of himself as a "nice guy".


I'm never called myself a nice guy. I have rules and I obey them. Good guys don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.
 
2013-07-11 06:04:25 PM

NostroZ: was using the dance analogy as a happy interaction between two different types of thinking / feeling regarding decisions, risk, and creativity.


My apologies.  I'm bad at reading comprehension.  That's why I write a lot.

NostroZ: I say, kudos. I like women in power. Especially one's that know that they are not there to please everyone and allow their talent to work independently. Hell, a woman was in charge of catching Osama Bin Laden. She was one hell raiser.


All I care is whether or not they get the job done.  If they can, then yeah, more power to them.  The system can be bullshiat, it can be stacked against certain groups, but you have to play the cards you're dealt.  I think we're pretty eye-to-eye on this.

NostroZ: Video games, as well as movies, have become too finance driven where creative people are shunned in favor of repeating past success in hopes of future profits.


It's already beginning to blow up--THQ, the Vita, the Wii U--and it's only gonna be a matter of who else gets burned.  Got too big for its own good, games got too expensive for their own good.
 
2013-07-11 06:14:13 PM

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: was using the dance analogy as a happy interaction between two different types of thinking / feeling regarding decisions, risk, and creativity.

My apologies.  I'm bad at reading comprehension.  That's why I write a lot.


All good, it's better than the usual reactive finger pointing that passes for conversation on Fark.

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: I say, kudos. I like women in power. Especially one's that know that they are not there to please everyone and allow their talent to work independently. Hell, a woman was in charge of catching Osama Bin Laden. She was one hell raiser.

All I care is whether or not they get the job done.  If they can, then yeah, more power to them.  The system can be bullshiat, it can be stacked against certain groups, but you have to play the cards you're dealt.  I think we're pretty eye-to-eye on this.


For sure, that's my feelings on the subject too.  We need to give everyone an equal shot based on their merits.  That's the American dream.

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: Video games, as well as movies, have become too finance driven where creative people are shunned in favor of repeating past success in hopes of future profits.

It's already beginning to blow up--THQ, the Vita, the Wii U--and it's only gonna be a matter of who else gets burned.  Got too big for its own good, games got too expensive for their own good.


The only good things I've heard about video games has been coming from the small developers / mobile games.  The big studies don't have the guts for creativity and creative people don't have the stomach for dealing with corporate politics.
 
2013-07-11 06:14:54 PM

Mike_LowELL: It's already beginning to blow up--THQ, the Vita, the Wii U--and it's only gonna be a matter of who else gets burned. Got too big for its own good, games got too expensive for their own good.


The WiiU was more of a marketing failure... Not many people were aware it was a new console, rather than an accessory for the Wii. And no one buys a $400 accessory for the Wii, not when Nintendo might be releasing a whole new console any day now. ;)
 
2013-07-11 06:15:53 PM

sure haven't: It's honestly like Microsoft is actively trying to fail.

Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry?


Why hire a male fashion designer? Or a male scientist to work on development of birth control pills? They can't possibly succeed in their fields.
 
2013-07-11 06:33:11 PM

Esc7: RyansPrivates:

I think the problem is that everyone in the media at all times takes some comments by a few rotten apples and makes it out like it is all gamers.  Not all gamers are like that.  How dare every media outlet that has every existed take such an over the top position?

I understand what you're saying.  But the accusation you're insinuating feminists make isn't really happening.

Most feminists aren't making the case that this minority of idiots speaks for the whole community.  They aren't even displeased that a minority of idiots exists.

The thing they are displeased about is the specific TYPE of insults that fly around when the target is a woman instead of a man.  No one was commenting on Don Mattrick looks.  No one was implying that he was a complete figurehead who can't compete.  No one was bemoaning that Don Mattrick was going to make "hunting and fishing" games or somesuch shiat.

The entire spectrum of insults against women seem to come from such a different place than men.  And people's refusal to recognize it, or denounce it is what causes feminists to rage.

Thankfully, I've effectively cut myself out of the toxic parts of the videogame community.  It's really easy once you stop playing xbox live and LoL and just play games with your friends.  I wish the feminists luck, but they aren't just banging up against the trolly idiots of the videogame world, they're running against western culture itself.  And I don't think people really care.


Look getting a feminists panties in a wad is damn near as easy as getting an old rich white dude's panties in a wad.

it is so damn easy that you dont even really need to try, it just happens.

one day when the self righteousness of it all has gone away then I will be more inclined to give a damn aand mabey even be supportive of it.

till then every single biatchy hairy arm pitted horse faced braless mustachioed flannel wearing coont can eat it.

clean up your own hypocrisy before you biatch about others.
 
2013-07-11 06:51:04 PM

tlchwi02: way south: /I'm curious how the new system is going to regulate that, but not expecting it to be a complete solution.

the old system let you block people pretty easily (even if it just meant plugging in the headset and then just not putting it on your head.) I imagine they'll just continue that


Its problematic for the long run tho.

Their constantly online utopia, where you pay to play with this community, depends on constructive competition and likable playmates. If you're forced to mute everyone (treating them as a meat guided AI to breath life into your play world) you are basically stuck in a online-mandatory single player game that's got no meaningful interaction.
Its going to limit the types of online games that "work" on Xbox, and the entire show depends on live being a multiplayer power house.
The players are critical to that end so I can see why they won't accept status quo at Microsoft.

/I don't know whether their plan will work, but that's a debate for a later date.
 
2013-07-11 06:54:36 PM

Dragonflew: sure haven't: It's honestly like Microsoft is actively trying to fail.

Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry?

Why hire a male fashion designer? Or a male scientist to work on development of birth control pills? They can't possibly succeed in their fields.


Stupid analogies like these (sure haven't) make me embarrassed to be a gamer.

Seriously, who the fark cares who heads the division?  Near the end, everyone thought Mattrick was a moron, even though he had 16 years at EA and guided the 360 to massive success.

For all we know, she will be great.  Her history in being successful speaks for itself.

Here's a good read over at Wired about her background.

http://www.wired.com/business/2013/07/who-is-julie-larson-green/
 
2013-07-11 06:56:58 PM
Unsurprising news, that the same sexist bullshiat that made me abandon Reddit like a sinking ship full of retarded misogynistic libertarian schoolchildren still exists.

She's not just the head of Xbox, incidentally, she's the head of Microsoft's whole hardware division - so, Xbox, the Surfaces, I think Windows Phone as well. No idea how well she'll do, but that has to be a saner position than "lol shell fark it up cos shes a wimmin".
 
2013-07-11 07:05:22 PM
Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?
 
2013-07-11 07:07:40 PM

Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?


and she did office's ribbon too.

She claims those decisions to deny the option of a 'classic mode' were those of her then bosses, but what's that thing about 'just following orders' ....

/meanwhile, if I wanted to get promoted over what I considered an inept boss I'd likely let them hang themselves like they've done too
 
2013-07-11 07:38:01 PM

Drubell: You'd think that this article would at least say something about what types of changes she's planning to make or what the direction for the XBox will be, but nope, just "omg girls."


Yeah.  You always want to talk about all the stuff you'll change the first day of a new job.  You should also talk about all the shiat you'll change in a product line whose newest iteration is four months away from shipping.

Hell, I know Tim Cook did exactly that - he told us all about the directional changes he was going to make as he took the reins a few months before the iPhone 4s released.

sure haven't: Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry? And further to that, someone with no history of passion for said industry?


Because it's a media platform - not just a gaming platform - and she's had excellent success at UI design.  The work she managed with the office transition to the ribbon was impressive - a UI that can be functional for novices as well as power users.
 
2013-07-11 08:15:26 PM
.... but girls DO suck at games.

...not that it matters, since the people microsoft puts in charge of their Gaming divisions dont seem to actually play games...

/I guess I wouldnt hire a gamer executive either.
 
2013-07-11 08:20:31 PM

Esc7: Like how slave owners argued that black people were obviously dumb and stronger than white people so that made it ok to enslave them?  Fast twitch muscle fiber?  Does any of this ring any alarm bells?


*scratches head*

Is this like how 67% of the NFL is black, while blacks only make up 12% of the population?

I dont see where slavery comes in...
 
2013-07-11 09:19:36 PM
Dammit subby, the "That's Racist!" pic you're referring to is a .GIF, not a .JPG!
 
2013-07-11 09:31:25 PM

tacchimonster: "Julie Larson-Green, who has run the Windows engineering team since last fall, now leads the Devices and Studios Engineering group, a new division that oversees all Microsoft hardware."

---

AKA "From the makers of Windows 8, we bring you the next lead of the Xbox division."

Can't imagine why people are nerd raging.

/Rolls eyes.
//Gender has nothing to do with it.


The problem with Windows 8 is 100% its marketing.  It's a damn fine operating system.
 
2013-07-11 09:32:16 PM
Can we PLEASE get back to the business at hand of posting misogynistic pictures of sexy geek-girls?
 
2013-07-11 09:54:12 PM
NostroZ:

The only good things I've heard about video games has been coming from the small developers / mobile games.  The big studies don't have the guts for creativity and creative people don't have the stomach for dealing with corporate politics.

I'm not so sure anymore.

The Mobile games space has seemed to stagnate with a lot of "me too" titles. Plus, lack of control complexity is starting to wear thin as it severely limits what you can do.

I'd be ok with it if someone did something like bring back the adventure game genre and or a good TB or RTS that implemented touch in a useable way.
Why not bring some of the ideas from the PC heyday to the phone? Lots of games were inventive, when they were still trying to figure out what to do.

Instead, we have 100's of running games and multiple variations of escape the room. Nice, but less than involving.

I'm thinking of going back to PC and say stuff all this console crap. But I would miss couch based split screen.
 
2013-07-11 10:07:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Esc7: Hey if you think this sort of thing is OK, there's nothing I can do to stop you.

I just don't understand why girl/ladies/women want to be sheltered as a protected group. My point (maybe I wasn't clear) was that the insults that are flung at the boys are targeted to hurt them on topics they care about. And if you want gender equality, you're going to have to understand that when you are insulted they will be targeting topics that are meaningful to women. It's how insulting works. If they aren't targeting topics you care about then they arn't trying to insult you.

I'd love to live in a world where people didn't feel the need to insult other people. But we don't and we won't this does not mean I'm ok with it.


I think the saddest part is how low effort the *OMG icky guuuuurls in my gaming company* line of "insults" are.  The complaint that "she's not a gamer!" might almost be somewhat relevant, but I have a sinking suspicion that the claim she's not a gamer is based solely on the fact that she sports an innie instead of an outie between her legs.

For all we know, she might have beat Dragon's Lair at the local arcade decades before most of the snotrags commenting were even born.  Maybe she has a raging addiction to Civilization.   Perhaps the dillweeds moaning about this might ask what her favorite game is, or if she has one.  Or most relevant of all--- why she took the new position, and what she's going to do with it.

But the weak-ass stuff about knitting games is just that: weak.
 
2013-07-11 10:14:10 PM

Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?


I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS
 
2013-07-11 10:21:21 PM

Bloody Templar: Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?

I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS


Gimmie the farkin start menu rather then metro, then we'll talk.
 
2013-07-11 10:24:03 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I dont know your situation or anything but I don't think you've been around a bunch of guy insulting and trash talking but "you going to get fu*k" is fairly common and talking about raping someone (another male) is also fairly common. Hell the act of tea bagging someone (simulating forcing sexual organs into someone mouth or onto another the person's body) is about as rapely as you can get though a game like Halo. And guys do that to guys all the time. Can't do something as well as men?! Please. Have you ever hear a man tell another man to "man up"? Same same. He is calling him a boy and that he should act like a man.

Most of the time when women are complaining about being treated unfairly it is because they are being treated like one of the guy.

And these feminists are the ones that say that calling a women ugly is super hurtful and by trying to shelter them they are implying that they can't handle it. If anything the feminists as you call them are the ones that are insulting women the most.

The only reason I'm letting you know all this is because I don't want you to feel singled out when a guy is an arsehole to you. We're arsehole to each other all the time dont feel special. Instead if a guy is actually nice to you understand that guy really really like you and you should be nice to him back.


I don't care about insults, but what pisses me off is when guys automatically say "oh it's a girl and girls suck at games so we don't want to play with you" before you even do anything.  Not that that happens often, but it happens from time to time.  At worst it's annoying.  It's also kind of sad to see that that has been mentioned in this thread lol.

Of course what pisses me off more than that is the statement that women only play games like Bejeweled or the Sims and therefore aren't "real" gamers and thus their opinions on games are irrelevant.  Of course all of those things are false.  It would be like me saying that guys only play CoD and Halo and therefore their opinions on games are irrelevant.
 
2013-07-11 10:36:41 PM

Bloody Templar: Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?

I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS


I have heard nothing but negative things about him and his running of Windows 8 from MS employees.
 
2013-07-11 11:24:08 PM

Theaetetus: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology...

 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were attempting to make a scientific point. Mythology class is down the hall.


Actually, he made a valid point, rape troll.
 
2013-07-11 11:29:09 PM

Bloody Templar: I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS


STRING EM UP BOYS!   We got us a live one!

/Yeeeehaw
//Really though... farking start menu, Y U  NO HERE?!!?!
 
2013-07-11 11:33:27 PM

NostroZ: The only good things I've heard about video games has been coming from the small developers / mobile games. The big studies don't have the guts for creativity and creative people don't have the stomach for dealing with corporate politics.


Essentially, the huge conundrum is going to be that, unless this crowdfunding thing really takes off, the people who have the capabilities to use these limitless budgets to positive ends are going to stay as far away from as possible from big-budget game development.  And I don't blame them.  The suits are trying to author an entire future of intellectual property where companies just shut the games off whenever they're no longer profitable.  Yeah, great deal for those creative types.

Theaetetus: The WiiU was more of a marketing failure... Not many people were aware it was a new console, rather than an accessory for the Wii. And no one buys a $400 accessory for the Wii, not when Nintendo might be releasing a whole new console any day now. ;)


All the people who bought the Nintendo Wii wouldn't have an interest in the device anyway, because they can now go play games on their phone for free.  It's not just marketing.  It's also about trying to get developers to support a new device when companies can cater to the 150-million-plus Xbox and PlayStation 3 units.

PillsHere: Of course what pisses me off more than that is the statement that women only play games like Bejeweled or the Sims and therefore aren't "real" gamers and thus their opinions on games are irrelevant. Of course all of those things are false. It would be like me saying that guys only play CoD and Halo and therefore their opinions on games are irrelevant.


They're plenty capable of offering their opinions on what they like or why they like a game.  And no, I don't somehow think that the capacity of players to play or understand games is tied to their background with games.  That said, if you're outside of the game development spectrum, it can be very difficult to cast judgment on what and what does not work if you don't have a wide perspective.  (This even happens in so-called "competitive gaming" communities, where people spend thousands of hours trying to become the best at one video game.  Because by the time you're done trying to do that, you're only thoroughly explored the hell out of one game.)  If someone only plays Halo or Call of Duty, it's going to be very difficult to explain to them how first-person shooters have gotten slower and less complex.  If they're willing to have an open discussion about it and take in advice, then I have no issue with it.  But a lot of people look at these discussions as an emotional attack on their "favoriet gaem of all tiems" and double down on their narrow opinions.
 
2013-07-11 11:33:58 PM
"who supposedly has no gaming experience"

If that is true it is a stupid decision to put her in that position.
 
2013-07-11 11:38:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: Meh,


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Steam Summer Sale is on now.


Speaking of which, is there ANY chance that they discount the just-came-out Civ 5 Brave New World DLC by 50%, or should I not even bother to check my email each day to look for a discount.
 
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