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(The Atlantic Wire)   Gamers can't handle the new female Head at Xbox. *THAT'S SEXIST.jpg*   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 114
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2013-07-11 03:13:56 PM
Gamers can't handle female head?
 
2013-07-11 03:16:43 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Gamers can't handle female head?


*shakes tiny fist*

/my joke
 
2013-07-11 03:18:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Gamers can't handle female head?


If you're the type that can't help but close your eyes while receiving The Gift, I can see how it'd be a problem during a game.

// not one worth addressing, but a problem for the game nonetheless
 
2013-07-11 03:33:28 PM

Dr Dreidel: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Gamers can't handle female head?

If you're the type that can't help but close your eyes while receiving The Gift, I can see how it'd be a problem during a game.

// not one worth addressing, but a problem for the game nonetheless


I keep my eyes open to watch Katie Holmes's breasts
 
2013-07-11 04:21:20 PM
Hmmm... some writer made their deadline by finding some misogynist comments on the internet.

Surprising.
 
2013-07-11 04:21:36 PM
Gamers can't look at her either

[eyebleach.jpg]
 
2013-07-11 04:26:21 PM
Sounds like these gamers are in desperate need of male head.  They should check the airport bathrooms.
 
2013-07-11 04:26:27 PM
Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!
 
2013-07-11 04:28:29 PM
For some reason if you even insinuate that there's some sexism floating around in the videogame industry legions of gamers will clutch their pearls like you personally called them a sexist pig and disprove you with a picture of Samus from 1986.

The comments this Atlantic article points out are unacceptable, and I don't see the problem with pointing that out.  That doesn't mean if you own an xbox the atlantic is saying you're aiding and abetting misogyny, which is bizarrely how so many people seem to act.
 
2013-07-11 04:28:43 PM
It's not clear how much Larson-Green does or does not love the gaming industry, however. Assuming she doesn't love video games comes off as sexist, argues Wainwright. (Would people jump to say that about a dude?-Wainwright suggests not.)

Translation: The person who was taking free goodies from Square-Enix and threatened a U.K.-style libel suit against a company whose writer pointed this fact out questions the integrity of others.
 
2013-07-11 04:29:22 PM

Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!


You can not destroy me. I'll unplug my Ethernet cable when my health is at ten percent.
 
2013-07-11 04:29:31 PM

SecretAgentWoman: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Gamers can't handle female head?

*shakes tiny fist*

/my joke


Dammit as well.

I was going to go with:
"Hey, I'm a gamer and I love female head."
*or*
"Makes sense, most gamers have never experienced female head in real life."
 
2013-07-11 04:30:50 PM

Mike_LowELL: It's not clear how much Larson-Green does or does not love the gaming industry, however. Assuming she doesn't love video games comes off as sexist, argues Wainwright. (Would people jump to say that about a dude?-Wainwright suggests not.)

Translation: The person who was taking free goodies from Square-Enix and threatened a U.K.-style libel suit against a company whose writer pointed this fact out questions the integrity of others.


Oh this is  HER?

lol, how do you take back page clicks.
 
2013-07-11 04:32:17 PM
I don't give a shiat who runs the company as long as they produce a product I want to buy.

And as a throwback to the female video game lead character issue, every video game lead is so far removed from any resemblance to me and my life that programming them breasts will not affect my immersion in the game at all.
 
2013-07-11 04:32:31 PM

Esc7: For some reason if you even insinuate that there's some sexism floating around in the videogame industry legions of gamers will clutch their pearls like you personally called them a sexist pig and disprove you with a picture of Samus from 1986.

The comments this Atlantic article points out are unacceptable, and I don't see the problem with pointing that out.  That doesn't mean if you own an xbox the atlantic is saying you're aiding and abetting misogyny, which is bizarrely how so many people seem to act.


I think the problem is that everyone in the media at all times takes some comments by a few rotten apples and makes it out like it is all gamers.  Not all gamers are like that.  How dare every media outlet that has every existed take such an over the top position?
 
2013-07-11 04:32:31 PM

DanZero: Gamers can't look at her either

[eyebleach.jpg]


gaming eye bleach?

got that

img703.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-11 04:35:11 PM

picturescrazy: You can not destroy me. I'll unplug my Ethernet cable when my health is at ten percent.


I'll disconnect hack you before it gets to that point.  Argument destroyed.

Esc7: lol, how do you take back page clicks.


If you click the back button on your browser fast enough, time goes backwards.  You may want to try that.
 
2013-07-11 04:36:57 PM

Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!


Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in  video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.

Your move. Sir.
 
2013-07-11 04:37:45 PM

Esc7: For some reason if you even insinuate that there's some sexism floating around in the videogame industry legions of gamers will clutch their pearls like you personally called them a sexist pig and disprove you with a picture of Samus from 1986.

The comments this Atlantic article points out are unacceptable, and I don't see the problem with pointing that out.  That doesn't mean if you own an xbox the atlantic is saying you're aiding and abetting misogyny, which is bizarrely how so many people seem to act.


The biggest issue I have with the article is that it conflates legitimate criticism (that she doesn't have any video-game industry experience) with idiotic misogyny.
 
2013-07-11 04:39:24 PM
Its almost as if these basement dwellers represented the most vitriolic and change averse segment of the filthy console gaming peasantry.

/Shinra has spoken, now shut up and enjoy your future.
 
2013-07-11 04:40:24 PM
It's honestly like Microsoft is actively trying to fail.

Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry? And further to that, someone with no history of passion for said industry?

Yeah yeah, I'm a sexist woman-hating misogynist, go ahead. I'm just speaking from a logical standpoint. It just makes no sense.
 
2013-07-11 04:40:40 PM

RyansPrivates: I think the problem is that everyone in the media at all times takes some comments by a few rotten apples and makes it out like it is all gamers. Not all gamers are like that. How dare every media outlet that has every existed take such an over the top position?


The problem is that the media doesn't view Twitter the same as sitting around in a mall in summer 1986 - full of loud teens and others with nothing better to do on a nice day than be in a mall/on Twitter. And horrible fashion.

OF COURSE you can find stupid shiat on Twitter - how many of those things are said by anyone of consequence? How many of those things are said by rational, thinking people over the age of 25? How many of those are given a forum to explain on the 140 characters they vomited onto a screen in a heightened emotional state?

If an outlet wouldn't write a news story because kids at the local swimming hole said mean things about Sarah Palin, they shouldn't write one about 9 twatters with more bandwidth than brains saying mean things about people they know even less about.

Misogyny totally exists in gaming (I don't really debate that), but using Twitter to prove it doesn't fly, and you do more harm to your argument than good by using it as support.

// Twitter shouldn't be a primary source for anything
 
2013-07-11 04:44:52 PM

Esc7: lol, how do you take back page clicks.


You'll have to reverse the duplex settings, jack up the CPU, then put a brick on the mouse and leave it for a few hours.

If that doesn't work, crack open the server and roll it back by hand.
 
2013-07-11 04:45:29 PM
And this, my folks, is why that market segment needs to be sent back to the fringes of gaming whence it came. They've done nothing but harm to the industry, and the hobby, ever since taking over in the mid-1990s.
 
2013-07-11 04:46:20 PM

way south: Its almost as if these basement dwellers represented the most vitriolic and change averse segment of the filthy console gaming peasantry.


Hmmmm... It's almost as though video games attracts individuals with base emotions who only seek to fulfill their own selfish desire for entertainment.  Golly, where would they have gotten the idea that they are the center of the universe, with a protagonist around which all events revolve and can never be wrong.

Silly Gamers.
Reality is for adults
 
2013-07-11 04:47:21 PM

NostroZ: Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.


Those concepts are inherently more immersive because the best of those games (particularly as played out through arcade distribution) command every waking second of the user's attention without any interruption.  Just to note, games targeted towards women can be made, so long as they sell.  There's an entire generation of point-and-click adventure games which are targeted towards women, because women are the target audience for those games, even as the "mainstream" has mostly passed that genre by.  The bigger problem is that the economics of video game development, as centered around the largest publishers and the companies that make the most visible games, have become so utterly conservative that every game is built on the same template.  It's not just "they won't make well-mannered female leads".  They won't make anything that isn't tangentially related to Call of Duty or League of Legends.  I don't think there's been a major commercial video game in several years vaguely resembling what made Blizzard/Westwood RTS games or Doom-style first-person shooters special.  It ain't just a faithful depiction of women that isn't being sold, and it's more an economic issue than a moral issue.
 
2013-07-11 04:47:49 PM
RyansPrivates:

I think the problem is that everyone in the media at all times takes some comments by a few rotten apples and makes it out like it is all gamers.  Not all gamers are like that.  How dare every media outlet that has every existed take such an over the top position?

I understand what you're saying.  But the accusation you're insinuating feminists make isn't really happening.

Most feminists aren't making the case that this minority of idiots speaks for the whole community.  They aren't even displeased that a minority of idiots exists.

The thing they are displeased about is the specific TYPE of insults that fly around when the target is a woman instead of a man.  No one was commenting on Don Mattrick looks.  No one was implying that he was a complete figurehead who can't compete.  No one was bemoaning that Don Mattrick was going to make "hunting and fishing" games or somesuch shiat.

The entire spectrum of insults against women seem to come from such a different place than men.  And people's refusal to recognize it, or denounce it is what causes feminists to rage.

Thankfully, I've effectively cut myself out of the toxic parts of the videogame community.  It's really easy once you stop playing xbox live and LoL and just play games with your friends.  I wish the feminists luck, but they aren't just banging up against the trolly idiots of the videogame world, they're running against western culture itself.  And I don't think people really care.
 
2013-07-11 04:47:49 PM

way south: Its almost as if these basement dwellers represented the most vitriolic and change averse segment of the filthy console gaming peasantry.

/Shinra has spoken, now shut up and enjoy your future.


i haven't paid for xbox live in many years, but back when i did xbox live was dis-proportionally full of dickweeds compared to any other online communities
 
2013-07-11 04:48:08 PM
But is she a GAMER GURLLL?
 
2013-07-11 04:49:36 PM

Mike_LowELL: Those concepts are inherently more immersive because the best of those games (particularly as played out through arcade distribution) command every waking second of the user's attention without any interruption. Just to note, games targeted towards women can be made, so long as they sell. There's an entire generation of point-and-click adventure games which are targeted towards women, because women are the target audience for those games, even as the "mainstream" has mostly passed that genre by. The bigger problem is that the economics of video game development, as centered around the largest publishers and the companies that make the most visible games, have become so utterly conservative that every game is built on the same template. It's not just "they won't make well-mannered female leads". They won't make anything that isn't tangentially related to Call of Duty or League of Legends. I don't think there's been a major commercial video game in several years vaguely resembling what made Blizzard/Westwood RTS games or Doom-style first-person shooters special. It ain't just a faithful depiction of women that isn't being sold, and it's more an economic issue than a moral issue.


Microsoft isn't in the point and click candry crush gaming industry. They're in an industry that pretty much only males are interested in.
 
2013-07-11 04:51:47 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: But is she a GAMER GURLLL?


nerdapproved.com
 
2013-07-11 04:54:20 PM

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.

Those concepts are inherently more immersive because the best of those games (particularly as played out through arcade distribution) command every waking second of the user's attention without any interruption.  Just to note, games targeted towards women can be made, so long as they sell.  There's an entire generation of point-and-click adventure games which are targeted towards women, because women are the target audience for those games, even as the "mainstream" has mostly passed that genre by.  The bigger problem is that the economics of video game development, as centered around the largest publishers and the companies that make the most visible games, have become so utterly conservative that every game is built on the same template.  It's not just "they won't make well-mannered female leads".  They won't make anything that isn't tangentially related to Call of Duty or League of Legends.  I don't think there's been a major commercial video game in several years vaguely resembling what made Blizzard/Westwood RTS games or Doom-style first-person shooters special.  It ain't just a faithful depiction of women that isn't being sold, and it's more an economic issue than a moral issue.


This problem is plauging movie studios as well.

Something is sucking up all the profit.  The studios believe it is piracy (game and movie).  I truly believe it is because we have so many more choices for entertainment and constant finite time to enjoy them that the profit is spread too thin across titantic industries.

It also doesn't help that the middle class customer has less to spend nowadays, but that's another discussion.

Current AAA development will be looked back on with incredulity on the amount of wasted money and effort we spent texturing brown rubble.
 
2013-07-11 04:54:25 PM

Esc7: The thing they are displeased about is the specific TYPE of insults that fly around when the target is a woman instead of a man.


Insults are meant to be hurtful. If you call a guy fat and ugly you're not going to get the reaction you want. Insults are going to be targeted to your race, gender and sexual preference. They are insults!! If you arn't displeased with the type then you're not doing it right.
 
2013-07-11 04:54:29 PM

AdamK: way south: Its almost as if these basement dwellers represented the most vitriolic and change averse segment of the filthy console gaming peasantry.

/Shinra has spoken, now shut up and enjoy your future.

i haven't paid for xbox live in many years, but back when i did xbox live was dis-proportionally full of dickweeds compared to any other online communities


All online games have their less than savory human elements.
Xbox live simply automated the process of meeting and gave them a megaphone to shout in your ear.

/I'm curious how the new system is going to regulate that, but not expecting it to be a complete solution.
 
2013-07-11 04:58:04 PM
"Julie Larson-Green, who has run the Windows engineering team since last fall, now leads the Devices and Studios Engineering group, a new division that oversees all Microsoft hardware."

---

AKA "From the makers of Windows 8, we bring you the next lead of the Xbox division."

Can't imagine why people are nerd raging.

/Rolls eyes.
//Gender has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-07-11 04:58:20 PM

sure haven't: It's honestly like Microsoft is actively trying to fail.

Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry? And further to that, someone with no history of passion for said industry?

Yeah yeah, I'm a sexist woman-hating misogynist, go ahead. I'm just speaking from a logical standpoint. It just makes no sense.


Why do you assume she has no passion? Did you have the same concerns about Mattrick's passion when he started? Is your concern about her supposed lack of passion based purely on her gender?
 
2013-07-11 04:58:21 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Esc7: The thing they are displeased about is the specific TYPE of insults that fly around when the target is a woman instead of a man.

Insults are meant to be hurtful. If you call a guy fat and ugly you're not going to get the reaction you want. Insults are going to be targeted to your race, gender and sexual preference. They are insults!! If you arn't displeased with the type then you're not doing it right.


Hey if you think this sort of thing is OK, there's nothing I can do to stop you.
 
2013-07-11 04:59:08 PM

way south: /I'm curious how the new system is going to regulate that, but not expecting it to be a complete solution.


the old system let you block people pretty easily (even if it just meant plugging in the headset and then just not putting it on your head.) I imagine they'll just continue that
 
2013-07-11 04:59:21 PM
All the comments were down-voted heavily. So hardly the view of the community.
 
2013-07-11 05:01:27 PM

Esc7: Something is sucking up all the profit. The studios believe it is piracy (game and movie). I truly believe it is because we have so many more choices for entertainment and constant finite time to enjoy them that the profit is spread too thin across titantic industries.


That's the biggest problem.  Ten years ago, if someone who had a passing interest in video games wanted to play the things, they still had to buy fifty-dollar computer games or go out and buy a console.  In both cases, those purchases could be used to subsidize the development of the better games.  Activision and Ubisoft explicitly counted on Guitar Hero and the Imagine series for this.  Now that everyone can now play these games on their phones, in addition to the general time distraction they can get with the internet, what's the point in paying sixty dollars for a video game?  But since these big companies could never realistically downsize without facing a shareholder mutiny, they're just gonna milk the most conservative, money-proven game concepts until the entire thing comes burning down.

Esc7: Current AAA development will be looked back on with incredulity on the amount of wasted money and effort we spent texturing brown rubble.


In its defense, I think the leaps made forward in terms of graphical and technical fidelity will be looked back at very fondly, even if many of those games remain mediocre.  From a visual perspective, Bioshock Infinite and Remember Me were just utterly incredible.
 
2013-07-11 05:02:03 PM

NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in  video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.

Your move. Sir.


Yeah, which is why there are no games whatsoever based on gathering!
 
2013-07-11 05:02:47 PM
I don't care if the head of the Xbox division is a guy or a girl... if they aren't a GAMER, they shouldn't be there.

It's like putting Bonnie Hammer, an person who admits she doesn't like Sci-Fi, in charge of a science Fiction network... oh wait....

So this new division head will want to shape the Xbox One even more into a "media appliance" so they can watch their cable box through it and continue to denigrate gamers who lack decent broadband, and not understand the fuss over intrusive DRM or privacy issues. Yipee!
 
2013-07-11 05:05:08 PM
So some commenters on one website made some juvenile comments? Who the hell cares?
 
2013-07-11 05:07:32 PM

LesserEvil: I don't care if the head of the Xbox division is a guy or a girl... if they aren't a GAMER, they shouldn't be there.


It's like putting Gary Bettman at the head of the NHL.
 
2013-07-11 05:07:46 PM

LesserEvil: I don't care if the head of the Xbox division is a guy or a girl... if they aren't a GAMER, they shouldn't be there.

It's like putting Bonnie Hammer, an person who admits she doesn't like Sci-Fi, in charge of a science Fiction network... oh wait....


---

Consider this from another perspective.  She could very well be the person who is being set up to take the fall if/when Xbox One fails.
 
2013-07-11 05:08:10 PM

tlchwi02: way south: /I'm curious how the new system is going to regulate that, but not expecting it to be a complete solution.

the old system let you block people pretty easily (even if it just meant plugging in the headset and then just not putting it on your head.) I imagine they'll just continue that


That's what I had to do.

The whole travesty of it depressed me.  I had wanted online networked voice chat for multiplayer games ever since I read some blurb about the future Sega Dreamcast back in the 90s

Now we have it, and it is mostly completely worthless.  A cesspool.

Just the fact that so many people say such awful things, for no reason, annoys me.  I don't want to outlaw it or hunt them down and crotchpunch them, but it irritates me that we have this amazing thing and its mostly ruined because most participants act incredibly rude.

I guess this makes me an old fart now.  I just thought eventually our online dealings would mimic our real life dealings.
 
2013-07-11 05:11:16 PM
You'd think that this article would at least say something about what types of changes she's planning to make or what the direction for the XBox will be, but nope, just "omg girls."

So I dislike the article writer even more than the people who wrote those comments. I already know that twitter or youtube comments have no content. An article should at least say... something?
 
2013-07-11 05:13:37 PM

Mike_LowELL: ire generation of point-and-click adventure games which are targeted towards women, because women are the target audience for those games, even as the "mainstream" has mostly passed that genre by.  The bigger problem is that the economics of video game development, as centered around the largest publishers and the companies that make the most visible games, have become so utterly conservative that every game is built on the same template.  It's not just "they won't make well-mannered female leads".  They won't make anything that isn't tangentially related to Call of Duty or League of Legends.  I don't think there's been a major commercial video game in several years vaguely resembling what made Blizzard/Westwood RTS games or Doom-style first-person shooters special.  It ain't just a faithful depiction of women that isn't being sold, and it's more an economic issue than a moral issue.


Right.  Women play The Sims and other point and click story / sandbox game playing off the nesting instinct.

Entertainment in general has become stodgy.  The problem is finance people coming in trying to lead creative people... that's not how it's done in entertainment.  There needs to be a balance in the dance, but the creative side leads, while finance follows and screams "ow, you stepped on my foot".
 
2013-07-11 05:14:00 PM

Esc7: Hey if you think this sort of thing is OK, there's nothing I can do to stop you.


I just don't understand why girl/ladies/women want to be sheltered as a protected group. My point (maybe I wasn't clear) was that the insults that are flung at the boys are targeted to hurt them on topics they care about. And if you want gender equality, you're going to have to understand that when you are insulted they will be targeting topics that are meaningful to women. It's how insulting works. If they aren't targeting topics you care about then they arn't trying to insult you.

I'd love to live in a world where people didn't feel the need to insult other people. But we don't and we won't this does not mean I'm ok with it.
 
2013-07-11 05:15:30 PM

Mike_LowELL: In its defense, I think the leaps made forward in terms of graphical and technical fidelity will be looked back at very fondly, even if many of those games remain mediocre.  From a visual perspective, Bioshock Infinite and Remember Me were just utterly incredible.


I'm playing through infinite right now.  The imagery and art is fantastic.  One of the best I've ever seen in a videogame.  But all the support parts, like the shaders and god rays, were technically invented outside the studio.  Technical graphic innovation is rarely seen in studio these days because of the highly specialized graphics hardware and apis.  Still it does take serious technical skill to employ these technologies in concert, in realtime, in a limited RAM environment.

I agree there will be gems we look back on fondly.  I feel like the games themselves will be remembered for innovative gameplay and vision, while the graphics companies will be applauded for fidelity.  (or both for Unreal Studios)
 
2013-07-11 05:17:07 PM

Telos: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in  video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.

Your move. Sir.

Yeah, which is why there are no games whatsoever based on gathering!


Purely gathering games like the Sims are played by women.

Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.

*highly generalized and obviously there are exceptions to the rule... I'm talking about 90% guys playing reflex games vs. 70% women playing gathering games (as being major indicators of trend / our socialization differences).
 
2013-07-11 05:19:25 PM

NostroZ: for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.


Let me retract... female dominated games are more about social interaction and cooperative play vs. competitive play.

(I was thinking about ladies being 'nice to look at'... my little head got ahead of my big one)
 
2013-07-11 05:24:18 PM

NostroZ: Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-11 05:26:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I just don't understand why girl/ladies/women want to be sheltered as a protected group. My point (maybe I wasn't clear) was that the insults that are flung at the boys are targeted to hurt them on topics they care about. And if you want gender equality, you're going to have to understand that when you are insulted they will be targeting topics that are meaningful to women. It's how insulting works. If they aren't targeting topics you care about then they arn't trying to insult you.


Women don't want to be "sheltered" or "protected" more than men.

Women know that the first thing people are going to tell her, when they are angry with her, that she's ugly.

They also know that they will be called a coont.  That they should be raped.  That they are worthless and can't do anything as good as men ever.

Women already know this.  They know they can't stop assholes from saying this.

The point feminists are trying to make is that these type of insults are different.  If you're claiming that they are the same type of insults men receive, well I guess we just disagree.

I think these types of insults are different because they don't just insult the specific women, they perpetuate misogyny against all women.  The implication that a woman's entire self worth should be damaged by being called an ugly slut attacks on two fronts: By being hurtful and insulting, and also reaffirming misogyny.

This is what I believe, you don't have to.  Women are tired of being insulted nearly entirely in sexual terms while men aren't.  They also would like to be raped less, but that's a whole another discussion.
 
2013-07-11 05:28:56 PM

NostroZ: Right. Women play The Sims and other point and click story / sandbox game playing off the nesting instinct.


I can't speak to the specific psychology of it, but I know that generally speaking, people get the video games they're willing to buy and support.

NostroZ: Entertainment in general has become stodgy. The problem is finance people coming in trying to lead creative people... that's not how it's done in entertainment. There needs to be a balance in the dance, but the creative side leads, while finance follows and screams "ow, you stepped on my foot".


I don't disagree.  I personally think publishers are a good thing because it gives developers control over the quality and quantity of the product.  The problem is that this is merely in theory, and will inevitably foster the parasites who want to siphon all the money and creativity out of the racket.  So yeah, here we are, with publishers pretty much controlling the entire creative process.  My beef is with the magical notion that this is merely a matter of gender equality.  The implications are far, far wider reaching, but if you're looking for attention, it's easier to turn a complex economic issue into a simplified and tightly-focused emotional issue.

Esc7: I feel like the games themselves will be remembered for innovative gameplay and vision, while the graphics companies will be applauded for fidelity. (or both for Unreal Studios)


Yeah, that's how it usually is.  However, I think there's going to be a little bit more appreciation for the mechanics in some of the games in this generation, particularly if "plays itself" like Ryse becomes the norm.  That's kind of the way that I'm looking at it.  People will be nostalgic for the "days of Call of Duty and Arkham Asylum", even as people act like the fifty-million-dollar game is some nadir of development today.
 
2013-07-11 05:35:34 PM
Meh,


25.media.tumblr.com


Steam Summer Sale is on now.
 
2013-07-11 05:39:21 PM
Wait, XBox is still a thing?
 
2013-07-11 05:39:31 PM

LesserEvil: I don't care if the head of the Xbox division is a guy or a girl... if they aren't a GAMER, they shouldn't be there.

It's like putting Bonnie Hammer, an person who admits she doesn't like Sci-Fi, in charge of a science Fiction network... oh wait....

So this new division head will want to shape the Xbox One even more into a "media appliance" so they can watch their cable box through it and continue to denigrate gamers who lack decent broadband, and not understand the fuss over intrusive DRM or privacy issues. Yipee!




It's all for the consumers now.

fark IT.
 
2013-07-11 05:40:44 PM

NostroZ: Telos: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology and the fact that males see moving objects better than females, video games focus on quick reflexes and favor males.

Hence; the majority of games, which have fast reaction time to moving objects as the source of the winning objective results in  video games being designed, created, and played by MEN.

Your move. Sir.

Yeah, which is why there are no games whatsoever based on gathering!

Purely gathering games like the Sims are played by women.

Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.

*highly generalized and obviously there are exceptions to the rule... I'm talking about 90% guys playing reflex games vs. 70% women playing gathering games (as being major indicators of trend / our socialization differences).



Listen.  I don't want to insult you.  I don't think you're dumb or sexist at all.
But don't you think your arguments on evolutionary biology and hunting vs gathering sound an awful lot like other disturbing racist and sexist arguments?

Like how slave owners argued that black people were obviously dumb and stronger than white people so that made it ok to enslave them?  Fast twitch muscle fiber?  Does any of this ring any alarm bells?

What you just wrote would probably go over pretty well with the Taliban telling their women to get back into kitchen and gather/arrange while the men go out and hunt.

I don't think this is your intention at all but these wide sweeping "biological" arguments seem to always be used more for evil than for good.

I think we shouldn't worry so much about what divides men and women in likes and dislikes.  Having to 'prove' why some women like to knit doesn't do anything to help.  Instead just concentrate on liking what you like.
 
2013-07-11 05:45:35 PM

NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology...


 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were attempting to make a scientific point. Mythology class is down the hall.
 
2013-07-11 05:47:15 PM
Is she the one that developed the Metro UI? If so, then yeah- I'll drink the kool aid and hate too. Goddamn that awful interface.
 
2013-07-11 05:47:16 PM

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: Entertainment in general has become stodgy. The problem is finance people coming in trying to lead creative people... that's not how it's done in entertainment. There needs to be a balance in the dance, but the creative side leads, while finance follows and screams "ow, you stepped on my foot".

I don't disagree.  I personally think publishers are a good thing because it gives developers control over the quality and quantity of the product.  The problem is that this is merely in theory, and will inevitably foster the parasites who want to siphon all the money and creativity out of the racket.  So yeah, here we are, with publishers pretty much controlling the entire creative process.  My beef is with the magical notion that this is merely a matter of gender equality.  The implications are far, far wider reaching, but if you're looking for attention, it's easier to turn a complex economic issue into a simplified and tightly-focused emotional issue.


I was using the dance analogy as a happy interaction between two different types of thinking / feeling regarding decisions, risk, and creativity.

The truth of the matter is that men will always be the one's who will be on the bleeding edge of technology.  You will not hear about a woman sleeping on her office floor for weeks, eating ketchup sandwiches for years, to become the best/head of something... but that's the story of Marc Cuban and lots of video game developers.  So invariably, these people will make things that they like.  Also, these people will be the 'founders' of organizations... but times change... we are no longer on the bleeding edge of video games.  The same concepts are being re-hashed and things are getting stagnant.  So they bring in a woman, shake things up.

I say, kudos.  I like women in power.  Especially one's that know that they are not there to please everyone and allow their talent to work independently.  Hell, a woman was in charge of catching Osama Bin Laden.  She was one hell raiser.

Back to the point.  Video games, as well as movies, have become too finance driven where creative people are shunned in favor of repeating past success in hopes of future profits.
 
2013-07-11 05:50:22 PM

Cytokine Storm: NostroZ: Gathering for men is akin to trophies for their kills and/or better weapons to hunt with as the prime reason... for women, it is to have something nice to look at and others look at*.

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I did that in Skyrim, outside my starting home/breezehome.  I eventually had stop and clean it out, as it was causing the zone to crash and occasionally launching me beneath the map if I tried to move through the debris field.
 
2013-07-11 05:50:36 PM
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The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race laughs at these noises.  Our women are obedient and much hotter.
 
2013-07-11 05:51:29 PM

Esc7: *highly generalized and obviously there are exceptions to the rule... I'm talking about 90% guys playing reflex games vs. 70% women playing gathering games (as being major indicators of trend / our socialization differences).


Listen.  I don't want to insult you.  I don't think you're dumb or sexist at all.
But don't you think your arguments on evolutionary biology and hunting vs gathering sound an awful lot like other disturbing racist and sexist arguments?

Like how slave owners argued that black people were obviously dumb and stronger than white people so that made it ok to enslave them?  Fast twitch muscle fiber?  Does any of this ring any alarm bells?

What you just wrote would probably go over pretty well with the Taliban telling their women to get back into kitchen and gather/arrange while the men go out and hunt.

I don't think this is your intention at all but these wide sweeping "biological" arguments seem to always be used more for evil than for good.

I think we shouldn't worry so much about what divides men and women in likes and dislikes.  Having to 'prove' why some women like to knit doesn't do anything to help.  Instead just concentrate on liking what you like.


Listen buddy, I'm not here to please your politically correct mentality that ignores BASIC differences between people and races.

Obviously, the reason that just about all NBA players are black is because they WANT it more than white kids... no genetic differences, whatsoever.

Please keep your high horse finger thumping to yourself and your white middle class friends who care about your blind to race/sex posturing.
 
2013-07-11 05:54:06 PM

NostroZ: Listen buddy, I'm not here to please your politically correct mentality that ignores BASIC differences between people and races.




kkk.org
Proud.
 
2013-07-11 05:54:13 PM

Esc7: Women don't want to be "sheltered" or "protected" more than men.

Women know that the first thing people are going to tell her, when they are angry with her, that she's ugly.

They also know that they will be called a coont. That they should be raped. That they are worthless and can't do anything as good as men ever.

Women already know this. They know they can't stop assholes from saying this.

The point feminists are trying to make is that these type of insults are different. If you're claiming that they are the same type of insults men receive, well I guess we just disagree.

I think these types of insults are different because they don't just insult the specific women, they perpetuate misogyny against all women. The implication that a woman's entire self worth should be damaged by being called an ugly slut attacks on two fronts: By being hurtful and insulting, and also reaffirming misogyny.

This is what I believe, you don't have to. Women are tired of being insulted nearly entirely in sexual terms while men aren't. They also would like to be raped less, but that's a whole another discussion.


I dont know your situation or anything but I don't think you've been around a bunch of guy insulting and trash talking but "you going to get fu*k" is fairly common and talking about raping someone (another male) is also fairly common. Hell the act of tea bagging someone (simulating forcing sexual organs into someone mouth or onto another the person's body) is about as rapely as you can get though a game like Halo. And guys do that to guys all the time. Can't do something as well as men?! Please. Have you ever hear a man tell another man to "man up"? Same same. He is calling him a boy and that he should act like a man.

Most of the time when women are complaining about being treated unfairly it is because they are being treated like one of the guy.

And these feminists are the ones that say that calling a women ugly is super hurtful and by trying to shelter them they are implying that they can't handle it. If anything the feminists as you call them are the ones that are insulting women the most.

The only reason I'm letting you know all this is because I don't want you to feel singled out when a guy is an arsehole to you. We're arsehole to each other all the time dont feel special. Instead if a guy is actually nice to you understand that guy really really like you and you should be nice to him back.
 
2013-07-11 05:55:59 PM

Theaetetus: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology...

 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were attempting to make a scientific point. Mythology class is down the hall.


1) You are not Mike_LowELL with whom I was having the discussion with.

2) Mythology is the study of myths.  I referenced an article about basic male v. female differences from NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.  This would be BIOLOGY class, which you obviously failed to attend -or English class, as you do not understand basic differences in academic studies.

3) Blindness to differences between people does not make you a  better personit makes you a more ignorant one.
 
2013-07-11 05:56:31 PM
How is it even possible that no one has made an XBone joke yet? FARK, I AM DISAPPOINT.
 
2013-07-11 05:57:06 PM
I bet Stealth Hippopotamus thinks of himself as a "nice guy".
 
2013-07-11 05:59:34 PM

Theaetetus: NostroZ: Listen buddy, I'm not here to please your politically correct mentality that ignores BASIC differences between people and races.

[kkk.org image 512x350]
Proud.


LoL.

You are a real special kind of forcefully dumb and ignorant of basic differences.

I know it's easier to say KKK anytime I mention a general trend that hurts you politically correct mind, but this is time around the table with your white college educated buddies.

Because let me tell you... the position you hold, that THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES, is typically ONLY held by college educated whites.

Who were also members of the KKK at the time it existed.

Good day.
I wish you best of luck with your mental laziness and finger pointing at anyone who thinks/speaks differently than you.
 
2013-07-11 06:02:22 PM

NostroZ: general trend that hurts you politically correct mind, but this is NOT

 time around the table with your white college educated buddies.   Pounding your chest at who is the least racist.

 Who cares?

It only matters what you vote on / do when you have power.
 
2013-07-11 06:02:39 PM

Theaetetus: I bet Stealth Hippopotamus thinks of himself as a "nice guy".


I'm never called myself a nice guy. I have rules and I obey them. Good guys don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.
 
2013-07-11 06:04:25 PM

NostroZ: was using the dance analogy as a happy interaction between two different types of thinking / feeling regarding decisions, risk, and creativity.


My apologies.  I'm bad at reading comprehension.  That's why I write a lot.

NostroZ: I say, kudos. I like women in power. Especially one's that know that they are not there to please everyone and allow their talent to work independently. Hell, a woman was in charge of catching Osama Bin Laden. She was one hell raiser.


All I care is whether or not they get the job done.  If they can, then yeah, more power to them.  The system can be bullshiat, it can be stacked against certain groups, but you have to play the cards you're dealt.  I think we're pretty eye-to-eye on this.

NostroZ: Video games, as well as movies, have become too finance driven where creative people are shunned in favor of repeating past success in hopes of future profits.


It's already beginning to blow up--THQ, the Vita, the Wii U--and it's only gonna be a matter of who else gets burned.  Got too big for its own good, games got too expensive for their own good.
 
2013-07-11 06:14:13 PM

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: was using the dance analogy as a happy interaction between two different types of thinking / feeling regarding decisions, risk, and creativity.

My apologies.  I'm bad at reading comprehension.  That's why I write a lot.


All good, it's better than the usual reactive finger pointing that passes for conversation on Fark.

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: I say, kudos. I like women in power. Especially one's that know that they are not there to please everyone and allow their talent to work independently. Hell, a woman was in charge of catching Osama Bin Laden. She was one hell raiser.

All I care is whether or not they get the job done.  If they can, then yeah, more power to them.  The system can be bullshiat, it can be stacked against certain groups, but you have to play the cards you're dealt.  I think we're pretty eye-to-eye on this.


For sure, that's my feelings on the subject too.  We need to give everyone an equal shot based on their merits.  That's the American dream.

Mike_LowELL: NostroZ: Video games, as well as movies, have become too finance driven where creative people are shunned in favor of repeating past success in hopes of future profits.

It's already beginning to blow up--THQ, the Vita, the Wii U--and it's only gonna be a matter of who else gets burned.  Got too big for its own good, games got too expensive for their own good.


The only good things I've heard about video games has been coming from the small developers / mobile games.  The big studies don't have the guts for creativity and creative people don't have the stomach for dealing with corporate politics.
 
2013-07-11 06:14:54 PM

Mike_LowELL: It's already beginning to blow up--THQ, the Vita, the Wii U--and it's only gonna be a matter of who else gets burned. Got too big for its own good, games got too expensive for their own good.


The WiiU was more of a marketing failure... Not many people were aware it was a new console, rather than an accessory for the Wii. And no one buys a $400 accessory for the Wii, not when Nintendo might be releasing a whole new console any day now. ;)
 
2013-07-11 06:15:53 PM

sure haven't: It's honestly like Microsoft is actively trying to fail.

Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry?


Why hire a male fashion designer? Or a male scientist to work on development of birth control pills? They can't possibly succeed in their fields.
 
2013-07-11 06:33:11 PM

Esc7: RyansPrivates:

I think the problem is that everyone in the media at all times takes some comments by a few rotten apples and makes it out like it is all gamers.  Not all gamers are like that.  How dare every media outlet that has every existed take such an over the top position?

I understand what you're saying.  But the accusation you're insinuating feminists make isn't really happening.

Most feminists aren't making the case that this minority of idiots speaks for the whole community.  They aren't even displeased that a minority of idiots exists.

The thing they are displeased about is the specific TYPE of insults that fly around when the target is a woman instead of a man.  No one was commenting on Don Mattrick looks.  No one was implying that he was a complete figurehead who can't compete.  No one was bemoaning that Don Mattrick was going to make "hunting and fishing" games or somesuch shiat.

The entire spectrum of insults against women seem to come from such a different place than men.  And people's refusal to recognize it, or denounce it is what causes feminists to rage.

Thankfully, I've effectively cut myself out of the toxic parts of the videogame community.  It's really easy once you stop playing xbox live and LoL and just play games with your friends.  I wish the feminists luck, but they aren't just banging up against the trolly idiots of the videogame world, they're running against western culture itself.  And I don't think people really care.


Look getting a feminists panties in a wad is damn near as easy as getting an old rich white dude's panties in a wad.

it is so damn easy that you dont even really need to try, it just happens.

one day when the self righteousness of it all has gone away then I will be more inclined to give a damn aand mabey even be supportive of it.

till then every single biatchy hairy arm pitted horse faced braless mustachioed flannel wearing coont can eat it.

clean up your own hypocrisy before you biatch about others.
 
2013-07-11 06:51:04 PM

tlchwi02: way south: /I'm curious how the new system is going to regulate that, but not expecting it to be a complete solution.

the old system let you block people pretty easily (even if it just meant plugging in the headset and then just not putting it on your head.) I imagine they'll just continue that


Its problematic for the long run tho.

Their constantly online utopia, where you pay to play with this community, depends on constructive competition and likable playmates. If you're forced to mute everyone (treating them as a meat guided AI to breath life into your play world) you are basically stuck in a online-mandatory single player game that's got no meaningful interaction.
Its going to limit the types of online games that "work" on Xbox, and the entire show depends on live being a multiplayer power house.
The players are critical to that end so I can see why they won't accept status quo at Microsoft.

/I don't know whether their plan will work, but that's a debate for a later date.
 
2013-07-11 06:54:36 PM

Dragonflew: sure haven't: It's honestly like Microsoft is actively trying to fail.

Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry?

Why hire a male fashion designer? Or a male scientist to work on development of birth control pills? They can't possibly succeed in their fields.


Stupid analogies like these (sure haven't) make me embarrassed to be a gamer.

Seriously, who the fark cares who heads the division?  Near the end, everyone thought Mattrick was a moron, even though he had 16 years at EA and guided the 360 to massive success.

For all we know, she will be great.  Her history in being successful speaks for itself.

Here's a good read over at Wired about her background.

http://www.wired.com/business/2013/07/who-is-julie-larson-green/
 
2013-07-11 06:56:58 PM
Unsurprising news, that the same sexist bullshiat that made me abandon Reddit like a sinking ship full of retarded misogynistic libertarian schoolchildren still exists.

She's not just the head of Xbox, incidentally, she's the head of Microsoft's whole hardware division - so, Xbox, the Surfaces, I think Windows Phone as well. No idea how well she'll do, but that has to be a saner position than "lol shell fark it up cos shes a wimmin".
 
2013-07-11 07:05:22 PM
Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?
 
2013-07-11 07:07:40 PM

Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?


and she did office's ribbon too.

She claims those decisions to deny the option of a 'classic mode' were those of her then bosses, but what's that thing about 'just following orders' ....

/meanwhile, if I wanted to get promoted over what I considered an inept boss I'd likely let them hang themselves like they've done too
 
2013-07-11 07:38:01 PM

Drubell: You'd think that this article would at least say something about what types of changes she's planning to make or what the direction for the XBox will be, but nope, just "omg girls."


Yeah.  You always want to talk about all the stuff you'll change the first day of a new job.  You should also talk about all the shiat you'll change in a product line whose newest iteration is four months away from shipping.

Hell, I know Tim Cook did exactly that - he told us all about the directional changes he was going to make as he took the reins a few months before the iPhone 4s released.

sure haven't: Why hire someone from the opposite gender to the one that is primarily interested in your industry? And further to that, someone with no history of passion for said industry?


Because it's a media platform - not just a gaming platform - and she's had excellent success at UI design.  The work she managed with the office transition to the ribbon was impressive - a UI that can be functional for novices as well as power users.
 
2013-07-11 08:15:26 PM
.... but girls DO suck at games.

...not that it matters, since the people microsoft puts in charge of their Gaming divisions dont seem to actually play games...

/I guess I wouldnt hire a gamer executive either.
 
2013-07-11 08:20:31 PM

Esc7: Like how slave owners argued that black people were obviously dumb and stronger than white people so that made it ok to enslave them?  Fast twitch muscle fiber?  Does any of this ring any alarm bells?


*scratches head*

Is this like how 67% of the NFL is black, while blacks only make up 12% of the population?

I dont see where slavery comes in...
 
2013-07-11 09:19:36 PM
Dammit subby, the "That's Racist!" pic you're referring to is a .GIF, not a .JPG!
 
2013-07-11 09:31:25 PM

tacchimonster: "Julie Larson-Green, who has run the Windows engineering team since last fall, now leads the Devices and Studios Engineering group, a new division that oversees all Microsoft hardware."

---

AKA "From the makers of Windows 8, we bring you the next lead of the Xbox division."

Can't imagine why people are nerd raging.

/Rolls eyes.
//Gender has nothing to do with it.


The problem with Windows 8 is 100% its marketing.  It's a damn fine operating system.
 
2013-07-11 09:32:16 PM
Can we PLEASE get back to the business at hand of posting misogynistic pictures of sexy geek-girls?
 
2013-07-11 09:54:12 PM
NostroZ:

The only good things I've heard about video games has been coming from the small developers / mobile games.  The big studies don't have the guts for creativity and creative people don't have the stomach for dealing with corporate politics.

I'm not so sure anymore.

The Mobile games space has seemed to stagnate with a lot of "me too" titles. Plus, lack of control complexity is starting to wear thin as it severely limits what you can do.

I'd be ok with it if someone did something like bring back the adventure game genre and or a good TB or RTS that implemented touch in a useable way.
Why not bring some of the ideas from the PC heyday to the phone? Lots of games were inventive, when they were still trying to figure out what to do.

Instead, we have 100's of running games and multiple variations of escape the room. Nice, but less than involving.

I'm thinking of going back to PC and say stuff all this console crap. But I would miss couch based split screen.
 
2013-07-11 10:07:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Esc7: Hey if you think this sort of thing is OK, there's nothing I can do to stop you.

I just don't understand why girl/ladies/women want to be sheltered as a protected group. My point (maybe I wasn't clear) was that the insults that are flung at the boys are targeted to hurt them on topics they care about. And if you want gender equality, you're going to have to understand that when you are insulted they will be targeting topics that are meaningful to women. It's how insulting works. If they aren't targeting topics you care about then they arn't trying to insult you.

I'd love to live in a world where people didn't feel the need to insult other people. But we don't and we won't this does not mean I'm ok with it.


I think the saddest part is how low effort the *OMG icky guuuuurls in my gaming company* line of "insults" are.  The complaint that "she's not a gamer!" might almost be somewhat relevant, but I have a sinking suspicion that the claim she's not a gamer is based solely on the fact that she sports an innie instead of an outie between her legs.

For all we know, she might have beat Dragon's Lair at the local arcade decades before most of the snotrags commenting were even born.  Maybe she has a raging addiction to Civilization.   Perhaps the dillweeds moaning about this might ask what her favorite game is, or if she has one.  Or most relevant of all--- why she took the new position, and what she's going to do with it.

But the weak-ass stuff about knitting games is just that: weak.
 
2013-07-11 10:14:10 PM

Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?


I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS
 
2013-07-11 10:21:21 PM

Bloody Templar: Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?

I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS


Gimmie the farkin start menu rather then metro, then we'll talk.
 
2013-07-11 10:24:03 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I dont know your situation or anything but I don't think you've been around a bunch of guy insulting and trash talking but "you going to get fu*k" is fairly common and talking about raping someone (another male) is also fairly common. Hell the act of tea bagging someone (simulating forcing sexual organs into someone mouth or onto another the person's body) is about as rapely as you can get though a game like Halo. And guys do that to guys all the time. Can't do something as well as men?! Please. Have you ever hear a man tell another man to "man up"? Same same. He is calling him a boy and that he should act like a man.

Most of the time when women are complaining about being treated unfairly it is because they are being treated like one of the guy.

And these feminists are the ones that say that calling a women ugly is super hurtful and by trying to shelter them they are implying that they can't handle it. If anything the feminists as you call them are the ones that are insulting women the most.

The only reason I'm letting you know all this is because I don't want you to feel singled out when a guy is an arsehole to you. We're arsehole to each other all the time dont feel special. Instead if a guy is actually nice to you understand that guy really really like you and you should be nice to him back.


I don't care about insults, but what pisses me off is when guys automatically say "oh it's a girl and girls suck at games so we don't want to play with you" before you even do anything.  Not that that happens often, but it happens from time to time.  At worst it's annoying.  It's also kind of sad to see that that has been mentioned in this thread lol.

Of course what pisses me off more than that is the statement that women only play games like Bejeweled or the Sims and therefore aren't "real" gamers and thus their opinions on games are irrelevant.  Of course all of those things are false.  It would be like me saying that guys only play CoD and Halo and therefore their opinions on games are irrelevant.
 
2013-07-11 10:36:41 PM

Bloody Templar: Myria: Julie Larson-Green was the lead of the Windows 8 UI team that designed Metro.  Need I saw more?

I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS


I have heard nothing but negative things about him and his running of Windows 8 from MS employees.
 
2013-07-11 11:24:08 PM

Theaetetus: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology...

 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were attempting to make a scientific point. Mythology class is down the hall.


Actually, he made a valid point, rape troll.
 
2013-07-11 11:29:09 PM

Bloody Templar: I don't know about her UI credentials, but Steve Sinofsky was the lead over Windows 8. She took over for him when he left, just after Windows 8's launch.

She has been the lead on Windows 8.1 ever since, and let me tell you, 8.1 is something wonderful to behold.

/MS employee
//my opinions, not MS


STRING EM UP BOYS!   We got us a live one!

/Yeeeehaw
//Really though... farking start menu, Y U  NO HERE?!!?!
 
2013-07-11 11:33:27 PM

NostroZ: The only good things I've heard about video games has been coming from the small developers / mobile games. The big studies don't have the guts for creativity and creative people don't have the stomach for dealing with corporate politics.


Essentially, the huge conundrum is going to be that, unless this crowdfunding thing really takes off, the people who have the capabilities to use these limitless budgets to positive ends are going to stay as far away from as possible from big-budget game development.  And I don't blame them.  The suits are trying to author an entire future of intellectual property where companies just shut the games off whenever they're no longer profitable.  Yeah, great deal for those creative types.

Theaetetus: The WiiU was more of a marketing failure... Not many people were aware it was a new console, rather than an accessory for the Wii. And no one buys a $400 accessory for the Wii, not when Nintendo might be releasing a whole new console any day now. ;)


All the people who bought the Nintendo Wii wouldn't have an interest in the device anyway, because they can now go play games on their phone for free.  It's not just marketing.  It's also about trying to get developers to support a new device when companies can cater to the 150-million-plus Xbox and PlayStation 3 units.

PillsHere: Of course what pisses me off more than that is the statement that women only play games like Bejeweled or the Sims and therefore aren't "real" gamers and thus their opinions on games are irrelevant. Of course all of those things are false. It would be like me saying that guys only play CoD and Halo and therefore their opinions on games are irrelevant.


They're plenty capable of offering their opinions on what they like or why they like a game.  And no, I don't somehow think that the capacity of players to play or understand games is tied to their background with games.  That said, if you're outside of the game development spectrum, it can be very difficult to cast judgment on what and what does not work if you don't have a wide perspective.  (This even happens in so-called "competitive gaming" communities, where people spend thousands of hours trying to become the best at one video game.  Because by the time you're done trying to do that, you're only thoroughly explored the hell out of one game.)  If someone only plays Halo or Call of Duty, it's going to be very difficult to explain to them how first-person shooters have gotten slower and less complex.  If they're willing to have an open discussion about it and take in advice, then I have no issue with it.  But a lot of people look at these discussions as an emotional attack on their "favoriet gaem of all tiems" and double down on their narrow opinions.
 
2013-07-11 11:33:58 PM
"who supposedly has no gaming experience"

If that is true it is a stupid decision to put her in that position.
 
2013-07-11 11:38:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: Meh,


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Steam Summer Sale is on now.


Speaking of which, is there ANY chance that they discount the just-came-out Civ 5 Brave New World DLC by 50%, or should I not even bother to check my email each day to look for a discount.
 
2013-07-11 11:43:28 PM

potterydove: Theaetetus: NostroZ: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

Video games are an extension of hunting for males.  While there were female hunters, they tended to be more gatherers.

Going from that basic pre-supposition of our evolutionary biology...

 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were attempting to make a scientific point. Mythology class is down the hall.

Actually, he made a valid point, rape troll.


Which is more than you've ever done. And nice try at threadjacking. Now go back under your bridge.
 
2013-07-12 12:01:00 AM

picturescrazy: Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!

You can not destroy me. I'll unplug my Ethernet cable when my health is at ten percent.


Then ill msg you over xbox live saying "you didn't beat me, I quit"
 
2013-07-12 12:06:00 AM

Mike_LowELL: They're plenty capable of offering their opinions on what they like or why they like a game.  And no, I don't somehow think that the capacity of players to play or understand games is tied to their background with games.  That said, if you're outside of the game development spectrum, it can be very difficult to cast judgment on what and what does not work if you don't have a wide perspective.  (This even happens in so-called "competitive gaming" communities, where people spend thousands of hours trying to become the best at one video game.  Because by the time you're done trying to do that, you're only thoroughly explored the hell out of one game.)  If someone only plays Halo or Call of Duty, it's going to be very difficult to explain to them how first-person shooters have gotten slower and less complex.  If they're willing to have an open discussion about it and take in advice, then I have no issue with it.  But a lot of people look at these discussions as an emotional attack on their "favoriet gaem of all tiems" and double down on their narrow opinions.


Yes I've learned this lesson the hard way and have since corrected the "problem."  The thing is though that a lot of guys don't...  They think because they played WoW, LoL, CoD, or Halo they know everything about game design regardless of genre.  They have no frame of reference when it comes to design which is really important.  You can have your preferences and favorites and whatnot, but if you want to be an effective designer you need to have a experience playing all genres.  Meh, I'm getting off topic though.
 
2013-07-12 01:34:24 AM

divx88: "who supposedly has no gaming experience"

If that is true it is a stupid decision to put her in that position.


Here's a question: what might constitute gaming experience?

What the fresh hell does that even mean? Mortal Kombat? FIFA2012? Skyrim? Texas Hold'em? HALO? Coed Naked Rugby? Or maybe it means more along the lines of designing, coding, or even *shudder* marketing a title...

/I had a small room in a telnet MUD in 1993, am I l337 or not?
 
2013-07-12 02:47:28 AM
I never know who is running shiat over at Microsoft, I just know that they produce absolute garbage. It doesn't matter if a man or woman is in charge, they all follow the caustic Microsoft philosophy that should have every one of you grabbing your wallets and runnning for the hills.
 
2013-07-12 05:54:26 AM

Smelly McUgly: BumpInTheNight: Meh,


[25.media.tumblr.com image 400x310]


Steam Summer Sale is on now.

Speaking of which, is there ANY chance that they discount the just-came-out Civ 5 Brave New World DLC by 50%, or should I not even bother to check my email each day to look for a discount.


Here, let me google that for you:  Its 33% off right now.  Not sure if the $3 difference is that critical to you, but it wouldn't be for me.

/paying $60 for extensions & updates of existing games is for consolers.
 
2013-07-12 10:04:28 AM

Babwa Wawa: Because it's a media platform - not just a gaming platform


*bzzzt* wrong.

It's a gaming platform. No matter how much they want to turn it into something else, it's a gaming platform, and that's the only way people will ever see it. Sure it does other things, but at the end of the day, the xbox brand is just a tip calculator to the Mr. Seinfeld's that are the world's consumers. Or however that should be phrased.

And the ribbon was a disdainful failure. People hate the ribbon. It doesn't surprise me that Microsoft sees that as a success. They're in the business of doing the opposite of what people want.
 
2013-07-12 10:07:05 AM

StopLurkListen: Why do you assume she has no passion? Did you have the same concerns about Mattrick's passion when he started? Is your concern about her supposed lack of passion based purely on her gender?


The lack of passion was just an added concern. But yes, my concern is solely based on her gender. Males and females are different. It's pretty much only males who are interested in "hardcore" gaming like consoles. So why hire the opposite gender to that? It makes no sense.

The answer, like the guy said above, is because Microsoft views the xbox as media first, games second. And that's the way they're going to run it. ...right into the ground. Because like I just said, people see it as a gaming box...  because that's what it is.
 
2013-07-12 10:46:58 AM

Mike_LowELL: Yay!  A video games and feminism thread!  And I'm actually going to be around for the moment it hits the main page!  It's going to be fun destroying every one of you!


Now we know what Anita Sarkesian's FARK handle is.
 
2013-07-12 11:11:58 AM
Someone was mean to an upperclass attractive white woman!  Everyone get outraged!  Did you know that 98% of victims of violent crime are attractive white women?  I know it's true because I see it on teevee.
 
2013-07-12 11:33:53 AM

sure haven't: The lack of passion was just an added concern. But yes, my concern is solely based on her gender. Males and females are different. It's pretty much only males who are interested in "hardcore" gaming like consoles. So why hire the opposite gender to that? It makes no sense.


If she turns FPS games into something other then shiat brown piles of generic rubble, and obvious chest high cover points, I'll hail her as a goddess

/tired of spunkgargleweewee game #grey
 
2013-07-12 12:27:31 PM

sure haven't: *bzzzt* wrong.

It's a gaming platform.


No, the xbox is whatever they want it to be.  If they want it to be both, then they're going to try, and I don't see any reason why a device like the xbox can't be the entertainment hub for people who don't subscribe to cable.

Second, she heads up the devices and entertainment division, which includes xbox, but also tabelts, phones, games, music, and entertainment.

sure haven't: And the ribbon was a disdainful failure.


Was?  It's still there, you know.  And Microsoft has 95% market share in the office suite business, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you hold the minority opinion.  How big do you want your menus to be, anyway?

What she did with the ribbon, BTW, was broker a compromise whereby the functionality of the ribbon could still be accessed exclusively via command line for power users.  It's easy to imagine someone like Jobs or Sinofsky demanding that the keyboard shortcuts are obsolete and therefore disabled, leaving power users out in the cold.

I reckon you ought to give her a chance.
 
2013-07-12 03:13:13 PM
I don't care if a woman is in charge of XBox, because they already lost me when they introduced the non-negotiable KinectBox One.

But I do take issue with TFA's author referring to Mrs. Larson-Green as "hot", because she just isn't. She's too plastic.

i.huffpost.com

ncwtv.com

She apparently used to be kind of cute, but then decided she wasn't going to age gracefully and spent more than most people make in a year on some downright awful cosmetic surgery. This tells me several things about this person:

1. She is bad at managing money and makes poor spending choices.

2. She is vapid and narcissistic, but then, that's the California "image is everything" attitude for you.

3. She's an A-type personality that believes she needs to use her looks as an asset to get ahead and "win" at life.


These are all generalizations based on a couple pictures. I could be 100% wrong. However, I am usually right on the mark when it comes to looking at a person's personal style and image and deducing what kind of person they are. Her whole look tells me she's not someone I'd like to know, personally.

But none of that matters. Can she do the job? Probably. Is she smart? I'm guessing yes. Is she a shark in the business world? I'm also guessing yes.

But I still won't be buying an Xbox One. My PS4 preorder still stands. If they drop the Kinect requirement, I might consider it, but it looks like they're married to the idea and won't let it go, so they lost me as a customer. With that in mind, I don't care if they hire a homeless crack addict with scabies to lead their Xbox team, because it doesn't affect me at all.
 
2013-07-12 03:23:23 PM

Babwa Wawa: Was? It's still there, you know. And Microsoft has 95% market share in the office suite business, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you hold the minority opinion. How big do you want your menus to be, anyway?

What she did with the ribbon, BTW, was broker a compromise whereby the functionality of the ribbon could still be accessed exclusively via command line for power users. It's easy to imagine someone like Jobs or Sinofsky demanding that the keyboard shortcuts are obsolete and therefore disabled, leaving power users out in the cold.

I reckon you ought to give her a chance.


Ok, the ribbon is a complete and utter failure. But when you have a monopoly, you can do whatever you want.
What else are people going to use?? Google docs? Do they have standalone software or just the web apps?

Same with Windows 8. By your metric, it's a success because it's being adopted. However I would say that people f'n hate it. But they really have no other choice unless they spend 75% more on a comparable Apple PC. Windows 8 is a joke and failure, yet yes it still makes money.

Anyways, at the end of the day, none of this sh*t matters. We have the Snowden thing happening right now in the world, and I'm arguing about some stupid company.
 
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