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(Science Daily)   Mammalian females can 'choose' the gender of their offspring, according to new research. So go ahead and blame your wife for those daughters   (sciencedaily.com) divider line 50
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2013-07-11 01:12:47 PM
Next you'll be telling me her body will reject it if it was rape...
 
2013-07-11 01:21:04 PM
Yes.  But sometimes they bear a son when they should have had a daughter.

robertsongames.com
 
2013-07-11 01:35:49 PM

Indolent: Yes.  But sometimes they bear a son when they should have had a daughter.

[robertsongames.com image 400x322]


That was quick.
 
2013-07-11 01:40:45 PM
That's my little joke with the wifepoo. She's a good medieval wife, bore me two sons!
 
2013-07-11 02:27:35 PM
Well, this will be interesting in biology classes...
 
2013-07-11 02:29:42 PM

Indolent: Yes. But sometimes they bear a son when they should have had a daughter.


Came for this and leaving satisfied.
 
2013-07-11 02:33:22 PM
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
to each their own
 
2013-07-11 02:37:26 PM

simplicimus: Indolent: Yes.  But sometimes they bear a son when they should have had a daughter.

[robertsongames.com image 400x322]

That was quick.


we'll salvage what we can, but for the father nothing.
 
2013-07-11 02:38:24 PM
Before my wife was even pregnant she was insisting she was going to have a girl, after she was pregnant she always said she was carrying a girl, and when we found out through the ultra sound sure enough little girl.
 
2013-07-11 02:42:19 PM
Oblig

i457.photobucket.com

inner ted: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x355]
to each their own


I'm almost afraid to ask, but what the fark is that from?
 
2013-07-11 02:45:03 PM
We had a daughter.  She's awesome.

We had originally talked about having one girl and then one boy.

But now I kinda want another girl.
 
2013-07-11 02:50:49 PM

that was my nickname in highschool: We had a daughter.  She's awesome.

We had originally talked about having one girl and then one boy.

But now I kinda want another girl.


Mine is awesome. She's done stuff that would make boys piss their pants.
Whitewater rafting, kayaking, etc., all when she was 11-12 yrs. old.
She started kayaking when she was six.
So in conclusion, fark you, subby.
 
2013-07-11 02:53:34 PM
Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?
 
2013-07-11 02:55:47 PM

Tom_Slick: Before my wife was even pregnant she was insisting she was going to have a girl, after she was pregnant she always said she was carrying a girl, and when we found out through the ultra sound sure enough little girl.


Well, the odds are roughly 50-50 that her guess would be right.
 
2013-07-11 02:56:46 PM

Did someone say mammalian?


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-07-11 02:59:30 PM

Maud Dib: Mine is awesome. She's done stuff that would make boys piss their pants.
Whitewater rafting, kayaking, etc., all when she was 11-12 yrs. old.
She started kayaking when she was six.
So in conclusion, fark you, subby.



:^)

Here's mine at a year and a half:  http://youtu.be/QCKy_mDWrJA

She made me take her down that thing 15 times that first day alone (we taught her sign language for "more," and she damn near wore it out).
 
2013-07-11 02:59:41 PM

meat0918: Oblig

[i457.photobucket.com image 509x1024]
inner ted: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x355]
to each their own

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what the fark is that from?


the dictator
its not obscure
 
2013-07-11 03:00:37 PM

Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?



I'm white, but I bet I could pull this off:   http://youtu.be/wg52cE6VHDs
 
2013-07-11 03:05:36 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Vindicated.
 
2013-07-11 03:12:21 PM
I've got 2 nieces by my brother and sister-in-law.  They said they were gonna try for one more hoping for a boy.  They told everybody she was preggo again on Christmas and are absolutely thrilled about the arrival at the end of summer...of their twin girls.

/twins run in her family
 
2013-07-11 03:12:31 PM
This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat
 
2013-07-11 03:14:58 PM
Old and busted: correlation not equal to causation. New Hotness: Correlation equals intention.
 
2013-07-11 03:15:26 PM

Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?


Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.
 
2013-07-11 03:25:04 PM

YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.


Welcome to D.A.D.D. (Dads Against Daughters Dating)
 
2013-07-11 03:32:23 PM
Don't you mean 'thank her', subby?
 
2013-07-11 03:47:37 PM

Tom_Slick: YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.

Welcome to D.A.D.D. (Dads Against Daughters Dating)


Despite have many scary looking guns, my plan is completely different. I plan on being extra, super, uncomfortably nice to whatever boy my daughter brings around. I am going to sit him down on the couch, and sit super close and put my arm around him. I will ask him all sorts of questions about himself, while 2-3" from his face, all the while drinking scotch. I plan to act both overjoyed and a little bit crazy to meet him. I will also give him a silly nick name based only slightly on his name.
My daughter will be 13 in December, so I expect this will happen in the next few years or so.
 
2013-07-11 03:50:02 PM

Dimensio: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x309]

Vindicated.


Came for this, leaving satisfied.  And with my head attached to my body.
 
2013-07-11 03:58:34 PM

simplicimus: Indolent: Yes.  But sometimes they bear a son when they should have had a daughter.

[robertsongames.com image 400x322]

That was quick.


No farking kidding.  I was even going to go with that picture.  I guess everyone on Fark thinks alike, eh.

Tom_Slick: YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.

Welcome to D.A.D.D. (Dads Against Daughters Dating)


Really?  I would interpret that as the father testing me to see if I offered or asked for tips on firearm maintenance, kind of a man-test as it were, not a threat.

Then, where I grew up cleaning your guns was just kind of something you did with your spare time, given that if you had ten or so basically at least one always needed a going-over.  What we threatened my little sisters' dates with was a beating, not a killing.  Killing was reserved more for actually getting her pregnant and not subsequently proposing.

//Well, in theory.  In actuality my little sister could pretty easily kick the ass of anyone she dated without my help except perhaps the giant dude she actually married, and he's such an absurdly classical nice guy all-american type that we all feel a little bad even cursing around him.  Basically Clark Kent with less magical power and more oil industry experience.
 
2013-07-11 04:07:21 PM

BadReligion: Tom_Slick: YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.

Welcome to D.A.D.D. (Dads Against Daughters Dating)

Despite have many scary looking guns, my plan is completely different. I plan on being extra, super, uncomfortably nice to whatever boy my daughter brings around. I am going to sit him down on the couch, and sit super close and put my arm around him. I will ask him all sorts of questions about himself, while 2-3" from his face, all the while drinking scotch. I plan to act both overjoyed and a little bit crazy to meet him. I will also give him a silly nick name based only slightly on his name.
My daughter will be 13 in December, so I expect this will happen in the next few years or so.


I might have to steal that after I get a "Daaaaad, why are you always so hard on my boyfriends?"

Dont forget to rub the would be boyfriend's knee a little while talking with the punk.

/got well over a decade to figure out what  I am going to do
 
2013-07-11 04:11:03 PM

Tom_Slick: Before my wife was even pregnant she was insisting she was going to have a girl, after she was pregnant she always said she was carrying a girl, and when we found out through the ultra sound sure enough little girl.


Last week at work, a friend and I flipped a coin to decide the outcome of something. I insisted it was going to be heads even before the coin was tossed. Sure enough, it was heads. Some of the people at work treat me like some sort of a god, while the really religious ones have started avoiding me in the halls.
 
2013-07-11 04:20:06 PM

YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.


This works,    Look at the boy,  Just say these words..

"You're a handsome young man.   Back when I was in jail, we would have called you next.".
 
2013-07-11 04:22:15 PM
this could be proven wrong with a simple test

DOES THIS WORK IN CHINA???

just a thought
 
2013-07-11 04:52:23 PM

Saiga410: /got well over a decade to figure out what I am going to do


Hahahaha..... so you think
 
2013-07-11 04:54:56 PM

BadReligion: Tom_Slick: YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.

Welcome to D.A.D.D. (Dads Against Daughters Dating)

Despite have many scary looking guns, my plan is completely different. I plan on being extra, super, uncomfortably nice to whatever boy my daughter brings around. I am going to sit him down on the couch, and sit super close and put my arm around him. I will ask him all sorts of questions about himself, while 2-3" from his face, all the while drinking scotch. I plan to act both overjoyed and a little bit crazy to meet him. I will also give him a silly nick name based only slightly on his name.
My daughter will be 13 in December, so I expect this will happen in the next few years or so.


Ok, as a future D.A.D.D. potential member, I really like this approach. She's turning two in a week, so I have a lot of time for practicing. I hope to take the notes you have given here and turn it into something magnificent. Thank you kind sir!
 
2013-07-11 05:04:31 PM
I'm having a tough time believing this, but if I do, it seems likely to be yet another side effect of stress response to social hierarchy, explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYG0ZuTv5rs

Really wonder if the researcher watched that or is familiar with the research. Kinda doubting based on some of the answers to interview questions. In general the guy seems to be rather a turd. Also choosing gender is a strong concept to ascribe to zoo animals, let alone gambling about reproductive success of their progeny by somehow squeezing their uteri. I suspect they're usually some mix of hyperstressed and chronically bored, not generally thinking about how many grandchildren they'll have via facilitated zoo-rape.
 
2013-07-11 05:40:29 PM

Solstafir: This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat


Don't think about it like the female organism making a choice. That's not the implication. There is ample evidence of sperm selection and many well-understood mechanisms regarding how an egg can be selectively permeable to X or Y-bearing sperm. If under certainenvironmental conditions the eggs of the female are slightly modified to be more receptive to X- or Y-bearing sperm (or, equally likely, spontaneous abortion of the 'wrong' sex) this type of system can evolve. There are some questionable assumptions if you read the whole paper, but "I don't believe that's possible" rarely works in scientific explanations.
 
2013-07-11 06:46:12 PM

jazz710: Solstafir: This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat

Don't think about it like the female organism making a choice. That's not the implication. There is ample evidence of sperm selection and many well-understood mechanisms regarding how an egg can be selectively permeable to X or Y-bearing sperm. If under certainenvironmental conditions the eggs of the female are slightly modified to be more receptive to X- or Y-bearing sperm (or, equally likely, spontaneous abortion of the 'wrong' sex) this type of system can evolve. There are some questionable assumptions if you read the whole paper, but "I don't believe that's possible" rarely works in scientific explanations.


In this case they're talking about something else entirely - the shape of male and female sperm being slightly different and mucous shifting to make things easier for one gender or the other.
 
2013-07-11 07:02:37 PM

metallion: YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.

This works,    Look at the boy,  Just say these words..

"You're a handsome young man.   Back when I was in jail, we would have called you next.".


You owe me a new keyboard, etc., etc.

I have two daughters and it's remarkable because my wife's side is pretty much all males. She was the first girl born in more than two generations. Alternately, her brother also had two girls. Weird.

Anyways, when I think of my girls dating I take the best line from one of the worst movies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6QHN5NBujw
 
2013-07-11 08:30:35 PM
Well personally I'm holding out for a big dick mechanic...then maybe I'd agree to have a son?
 
2013-07-11 09:45:42 PM

Dragonflew: Tom_Slick: Before my wife was even pregnant she was insisting she was going to have a girl, after she was pregnant she always said she was carrying a girl, and when we found out through the ultra sound sure enough little girl.

Last week at work, a friend and I flipped a coin to decide the outcome of something. I insisted it was going to be heads even before the coin was tossed. Sure enough, it was heads. Some of the people at work treat me like some sort of a god, while the really religious ones have started avoiding me in the halls.


sweet!
 
2013-07-12 12:05:46 AM

jazz710: Solstafir: This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat

Don't think about it like the female organism making a choice. That's not the implication. There is ample evidence of sperm selection and many well-understood mechanisms regarding how an egg can be selectively permeable to X or Y-bearing sperm. If under certainenvironmental conditions the eggs of the female are slightly modified to be more receptive to X- or Y-bearing sperm (or, equally likely, spontaneous abortion of the 'wrong' sex) this type of system can evolve. There are some questionable assumptions if you read the whole paper, but "I don't believe that's possible" rarely works in scientific explanations.


Headline: Women can subconsciously 'choose' the gender of their progeny
Farker: This article doesn't imply a female organism making a choice

All teasing aside, what you're talking about is not what the article is talking about. Or rather, was, since it seems that the link is now as bad as the science.
 
2013-07-12 08:44:21 AM
orezona: Anyways, when I think of my girls dating I take the best line from one of the worst movies:

Sorry, but Clueless is great.


metallion: "You're a handsome young man.   Back when I was in jail, we would have called you next.".

I'm using that today.
 
2013-07-12 10:16:52 AM

Solstafir: jazz710: Solstafir: This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat

Don't think about it like the female organism making a choice. That's not the implication. There is ample evidence of sperm selection and many well-understood mechanisms regarding how an egg can be selectively permeable to X or Y-bearing sperm. If under certainenvironmental conditions the eggs of the female are slightly modified to be more receptive to X- or Y-bearing sperm (or, equally likely, spontaneous abortion of the 'wrong' sex) this type of system can evolve. There are some questionable assumptions if you read the whole paper, but "I don't believe that's possible" rarely works in scientific explanations.

Headline: Women can subconsciously 'choose' the gender of their progeny
Farker: This article doesn't imply a female organism making a choice

All teasing aside, what you're talking about is not what the article is talking about. Or rather, was, since it seems that the link is now as bad as the science.


Finally science talk as opposed to anecdotal grarble.
 
I do know through my limited experience with the science of animal husbandry that sperm can be selected by weight using centrifuge.  Perhaps the females change the environment and path to the egg chemically to advantage one weight or make up of sperm to another.  I am shooting blind here and find the idea, at least, very interesting.
 
2013-07-12 11:21:46 AM

Solstafir: jazz710: Solstafir: This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat

Don't think about it like the female organism making a choice. That's not the implication. There is ample evidence of sperm selection and many well-understood mechanisms regarding how an egg can be selectively permeable to X or Y-bearing sperm. If under certainenvironmental conditions the eggs of the female are slightly modified to be more receptive to X- or Y-bearing sperm (or, equally likely, spontaneous abortion of the 'wrong' sex) this type of system can evolve. There are some questionable assumptions if you read the whole paper, but "I don't believe that's possible" rarely works in scientific explanations.

Headline: Women can subconsciously 'choose' the gender of their progeny
Farker: This article doesn't imply a female organism making a choice

All teasing aside, what you're talking about is not what the article is talking about. Or rather, was, since it seems that the link is now as bad as the science.


Reading the article != Reading the paper. Never trust pop-sci publishing to tell you what the article is saying. No scientist is suggesting that a female organism is 'willing' a sex-ratio skew. It's happening at the cellular/organ level guided by phsiology, NOT choice.

I have had friends in my department drastically misquoted by ScienceDaily regarding the implications of their work. Also, some scientists do a little too much story-telling to the press.

/RTFP
 
2013-07-12 12:00:49 PM

Tom_Slick: YixilTesiphon: Saiga410: Am I the only one that plans on cleaning their guns while only wearing a wife beater and whitey tighties whenever their daughter brings a boy around?

Nope. Already have the gun, getting the daughter in November. Already have novel protective feelings about her.

Welcome to D.A.D.D. (Dads Against Daughters Dating)


just put your girl in krav maga classes around 8 years of age and tell her she can go out on dates when she's an expert.

by that time, she's going to do what she wants to do (we are in for a surprise as fathers if we think we can keep our daughters from having sex if they really want to).  but, on the off chance that a boy wants to get disrespectful with her, she'll more than be able to handle herself, even if the boy is bigger than she is.

Beyond that, you can only hope to convince her of what you want for her, be it no sex until marriage (good luck with that) or just waiting until she's better equipped emotionally to handle sex, be super safe, and command respect from whatever boy she dates (hopefully a more realistic target).  there's no guarantees in life, but at least you can tip the scale in her favor when it comes to stuff like that.  Kids today don't see abstinence as a realistic ideal for them.  For us to preach it only serves to ensure they see us as out of touch and not able to give valuable advice.

there's a reason you can get lucky with the preacher's daughter.
 
2013-07-12 01:35:58 PM

Indolent: Yes.  But sometimes they bear a son when they should have had a daughter.

[robertsongames.com image 400x322]


That's two articles today that had me saying "Frank Herbert knew this already"

/The other being the quartz crystal storage thing
 
2013-07-12 10:25:41 PM

SpectroBoy: Did someone say mammalian?


[images.sodahead.com image 850x843]


i forgot what i came here to say
 
2013-07-12 10:49:14 PM

jazz710: Solstafir: jazz710: Solstafir: This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat

Don't think about it like the female organism making a choice. That's not the implication. There is ample evidence of sperm selection and many well-understood mechanisms regarding how an egg can be selectively permeable to X or Y-bearing sperm. If under certainenvironmental conditions the eggs of the female are slightly modified to be more receptive to X- or Y-bearing sperm (or, equally likely, spontaneous abortion of the 'wrong' sex) this type of system can evolve. There are some questionable assumptions if you read the whole paper, but "I don't believe that's possible" rarely works in scientific explanations.

Headline: Women can subconsciously 'choose' the gender of their progeny
Farker: This article doesn't imply a female organism making a choice

All teasing aside, what you're talking about is not what the article is talking about. Or rather, was, since it seems that the link is now as bad as the science.

Reading the article != Reading the paper. Never trust pop-sci publishing to tell you what the article is saying. No scientist is suggesting that a female organism is 'willing' a sex-ratio skew. It's happening at the cellular/organ level guided by phsiology, NOT choice.

I have had friends in my department drastically misquoted by ScienceDaily regarding the implications of their work. Also, some scientists do a little too much story-telling to the press.

/RTFP


OK, I wasted my time doing that. No evidence for mammalian ability to 'skew their sexual ratios,' only showing a basic correlation. Basically says "IF mammals can do this, that kinda makes sense because of this line we plotted on this graph!" 

Also, if I knew you were allowed to write scientific papers that included the phrase "requires a leap of faith," I would never have dropped out of university.
 
2013-07-13 12:37:38 AM
End of story, ginger males are required to breed with women to create ultimate fark bot ginger women. Sad for them, great for us.
 
2013-07-13 03:47:32 AM

Solstafir: jazz710: Solstafir: jazz710: Solstafir: This is just plain bad science. There are like 200-500 million sperm cells in every teaspoon of ejaculate, and each individual spermatazoa can carry X or Y to the egg. This article implies that women have a sixth sense that allows them to take a census (of a single chromosomal difference, no less) of the billions of sperm cells in a man's danglers. I call bullshiat

Don't think about it like the female organism making a choice. That's not the implication. There is ample evidence of sperm selection and many well-understood mechanisms regarding how an egg can be selectively permeable to X or Y-bearing sperm. If under certainenvironmental conditions the eggs of the female are slightly modified to be more receptive to X- or Y-bearing sperm (or, equally likely, spontaneous abortion of the 'wrong' sex) this type of system can evolve. There are some questionable assumptions if you read the whole paper, but "I don't believe that's possible" rarely works in scientific explanations.

Headline: Women can subconsciously 'choose' the gender of their progeny
Farker: This article doesn't imply a female organism making a choice

All teasing aside, what you're talking about is not what the article is talking about. Or rather, was, since it seems that the link is now as bad as the science.

Reading the article != Reading the paper. Never trust pop-sci publishing to tell you what the article is saying. No scientist is suggesting that a female organism is 'willing' a sex-ratio skew. It's happening at the cellular/organ level guided by phsiology, NOT choice.

I have had friends in my department drastically misquoted by ScienceDaily regarding the implications of their work. Also, some scientists do a little too much story-telling to the press.

/RTFP

OK, I wasted my time doing that. No evidence for mammalian ability to 'skew their sexual ratios,' only showing a basic correlation. Basically says "IF mammals can do this, that kinda makes sense becau ...


Right?! The data they supplied is ludicrously inappropriate for such grandiose conclusions. I'm actually surprised it got into PLoS, and that's saying something. PLoS certainly isn't the toughest journal to get published in. Hell, I have a paper in PLoS. The use of zoo animals with DRASTICALLY different litter sizes and no control for sample size makes this paper, and the post PopSci drooling, completely suspect. It's a real shame that ScienceDaily can just pump this stuff out, and now I have to answer this question at every talk I give for the next 2 months since I study sex ratio evolution.
 
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