chewielouie: The big mistake the defense made was not having at least one man on the jury. There's gonna be a lot of emotional and possibly irrational decision making in the jury room, and a man would have helped to keep the jury focused on the facts and make logical conclusions.
ChaosStar: Much like these threads have swayed the, what do you call them, J4T people?
TheDumbBlonde: I don't know how you lawyers aren't pulling your hair out right now.
Nabb1: I half expect the judge to do the state's closing argument herself.
Mrbogey: El_Perro: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Treygreen13: The prosecution gets a rebuttal after the defense's closing statements.Seems like bullshiat that the prosecution gets the last word.They get the last word because they bear the burden of proof.So there's a chance they might actually present a case, still.
WillofJ2: In the case of a hung jury, what would happen?
Treygreen13: Carth: Treygreen13: BarkingUnicorn: I didn't read the whole thread, but it looks like the mods had a pretty easy day for a change.I imagine everyone who has deserved a ban has gotten one.yea but assuming they were 48 hour bans tomorrow could be hilarious.I think tomorrow will be hilarious regardless. The verdict thread should be a full on shiatstorm. A shiat typhoon. A shiat squall.
DROxINxTHExWIND: Popcorn Johnny: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is about African-American's distrust of the American legal system.This is about ignorant people not taking the time to evaluate the facts of the case based on the evidence. Most African-Americans declared Zimmerman guilty of murder from the moment they heard that there had been a shooting, based solely on the skin color of the two parties. Even a year later, most African-Americans I've seen comment on the case, whether it be on Facebook, Twitter, or even those being interviewed on TV, are still using information proven to be false many months ago. Zimmerman was ordered by police to stay in his car, Zimmerman chased down and started the confrontation, Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon, Zimmerman didn't have any injuries, there were no witnesses that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman. I could go on all day, but you get the point I'm making.Perhaps if people actually took the time to learn the facts of the case, instead of coming to a conclusion based on the race of the victim, we wouldn't have people chomping at the bit to start rioting.So, are the white people who have reviewed the facts of the case and determined that Zimmerman should be found guilty also motivted by race or is it just all of the black people? Is it possible, in your opinion, that there are black people who simply diagree with you interpretation of the evidence or are we all spoiling for a race war?
fredklein: frepnog: fredklein: Each little bit of logic means little, but when added up, it shows a pattern. Zimmerman wanted to get Trayvon. Trayvon wanted to get away. Other people's narratives have them suddenly reversing roles- Trayvon the assaulter, and Zimmerman the poor prey trying to flee. This makes no sense.the problem you are ignoring is this -Zimmerman did not do anything illegalSo what?Zimmerman and Martin met up and had an altercation because it is what Martin desired. There was no reason for Martin to return to Zimmerman. He had eluded his gaze. It would appear that Martin's sense of pride or simply his proven gangsta way of life dictated that he return to Zimmerman and teach that cracka a lesson.I have, several times, offered a scenario that fits all the facts, and doesn't make Trayvon turn on a dime from running away to violently attacking for no reason:Trayvon hid, Zimmerman walked past him. When Zimmerman turned to go back, Trayvon thought his hiding place was discovered, and confronted Zimmerman in self defense.
ChipNASA: "Your" mutherfarkers!....not You ARE=You're/can't believe I have to be the grammar nazi.
TheDumbBlonde: CHILD ABUSE? WTF?
Darth_Lukecash: But to say Zimmerman is innocent is rediculous.
Sline: Lo and behold, she's allowing manslaughter.
TOSViolation: Your an idiot, subby.
IdBeCrazyIf: I'm just waiting for the riots, cause I've been eying this sweet looking 60' LED TV recently
Darth_Lukecash: Here's my problem: didn't Trayvon have a right to defend himself against a man who was following him with a gun?A guy who was following him for no other reason than a false assumption that Trayvon was a criminal?Zimmerman escalated the situation. He left his car to pursue on foot.All Trayvon was trying to do was get some snacks and go to his Dads place.
TheDumbBlonde: Elegy: vrax: Alright, I'm sorry if I'm out of touch and this has been all over and is nothing new, but I just saw it and went LOLOMGWTF?!http://imgur.com/Slor2PQThat one has been all over 4chin.I, for one, found it too tasteless for fark. *sniffs in disdain*You sniff in disdain while I scratch in dispair.
Phinn: PC LOAD LETTER: How the fark is leaving your vehicle and following some random person not engaging? Do you really think following people is going to not result in someone misconstruing it and reacting to a threat? Why is this so farking hard a concept?The law of self-defense defines "threat" differently than you do. It must be imminent before a threat justifies the use of force. Why is this so farking hard a concept?If creeping someone out were, by itself, enough to justify a violent reaction, then I would have beaten the crap out of several Farkers by now.
Popcorn Johnny: Miss Ali needs her own show.
s2s2s2: A cop told a neighbor of mine, a couple days ago, that that means "anyone you don't recognize, acting in anyway that makes you feel uneasy."
Popcorn Johnny: So let's say Zimmerman walks, where does he go and what does he do with his life?
s2s2s2: Cletus C.: Wow. Any reports on kids "accidentally" killing each other with daddy's gun. I hear that happens far more often than the home invasion thingy.From where?
The Muthaship: I don't watch Nancy Grace and I ain't about to start, but is she actually saying that she thinks Zimmerman should be found guilty?
NightOwl2255: JustGetItRight: This case is a total reversal. You just saw the prosecutor give a reasonably effective plea for the jurors to follow their heart. I bet you anything that tomorrow you're going to see the defense respond with a comprehensive step by step review of the facts and it will be devastating.Are you saying women will allow facts to override their emotions?/Zim's screwed.//Kidding ladies//Dude's you know I'm not.
TrixieDelite: "My panties are damp. Mr. De La Rionda, I want you to prosecute my mouth."
Heathen: Treygreen13: Mid_mo_mad_man: I've been reading the thread. Seem unsettling civil. Have the mods been cracking the whip?They came down pretty hard recently. I got a 4 hour timeout for saying "no one cares" to somebody.It has resolved the shouting between the usual suspects but occasionally somebody still comes in and stirs it up.no one cares
TrixieDelite: Popcorn Johnny: HLN, and especially Nancy Grace, is going to be spectacular tonight.Holy crap, THIS.NG was apoplectic last night about GZ's priors."Mr. Taaaaffeeeee, Mr. Taaaaaffeeee, Mr. Taaaaffeeeee! Whhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyy did your friend Mr. Zimmerman not choooooooooose to testifyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?"Jesus, lady. You're a former prosecutor. YOU figure it out.
ObnoxiousLonghorn: If only Trayvon was alive to realize his fame. That dude would be able to start a rap career.
TheDumbBlonde: Skittles you legitimately bought??
s2s2s2: If George had grass upon his feet, His life should end in an electric seat!
Millennium: A Jupiter-style Great Brown Spot.
IRQ12: Here should be the defenses closing arguments: "Yesterday you heard the prosecution ask questions for three hours. That should be the definition of reasonable doubt. If they don't have they have the answers then they themselves have reasonable doubt."
Master P but not that one: I hear Zimmerman trained with Jericho and knew 1,004 holds. The grenduza being his favorite .
NightOwl2255: Whoever owns that black dummy needs to sell it on eBay./no, I'm not talking about Jeantel.
ObeliskToucher: "You are not to text"Why not? Since there's evidently no way to prove that a juror sent the text...
Elegy: shiat, my boss walked in and wanted to talk for the past 30 minutes. I'm tuned back in now.What did I miss? Has BDLR shed crocodile years yet?
TheSup3rN0va: there's a possibility he may be up to no good
jfivealive: So he planned it before hand? Thought about it all the time? As in... premeditated?
Boojum2k: They're thread-shiatting trolls posting insane theories, nothing more.
Giltric: Zimmerman does not aim with his hand; he aims with his eye.He who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.Zimmerman does not shoot with his hand; he shoots with his mind.He who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.Zimmerman does not kill with his gun; he kills with his heart.He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.~~~~~Zimmerman of Gilead
Meatschool: WillofJ2: In the case of a hung jury, what would happen?We wouldn't have 6 women on the jury, that's for sure.
Southern100: dropdfun: s2s2s2: Trayvon Martin kept his nails very short:[www.federalobserver.com image 350x362]Is he sporting a tatt on his left arm? Lol my mother would have taken that off with a hot branding iron had I come home with a tattoo, even when offered to have my first one be of "MOM" she still threatened the same thing.Actually, due to his age, his mother had to APPROVE of him getting the tattoo. What a great mom huh?
I_C_Weener: MarkEC: Did I just see GZ writing with his left hand? Has his left-handedness come in to evidence as far as where he had his gun and how Martin was trying to get it?[farm7.static.flickr.com image 684x456]Left handed. And guilty!!!
Oh_Enough_Already: 9,241 black teens killed since Trayvon . . . .0 farks given by any of you . . . .
TheDumbBlonde: Elegy: Someone said something about a playboy edition of the Zimmerman trial babes.Here's thisAnd a bonus X-ray of one of our favorite witnessesY'all have to include the weapons expert.
Confabulat: dittybopper: Confabulat: George Zimmerman is a farking dumbass and I wouldn't want a retard like that running around my neighborhood with a gun. What a freakin' wannabe cop pretending idiot.Actually, I'd prefer retards like that running around my neighborhood with a gun. If they fark up, they get a trial, and if it's found they acted outside the law, they go to prison.Real cops get put on administrative leave, at least until the union grievance is filed, and then they are back on the beat.ha, that's a fine point. If a cop had shot Trevon for his Skittles, we'd never know anything about this.
ztrom: Uh oh, I called someone who cut me off on the road yesterday an asshole... guess I'm going to go out and murder him?
Phinn: Assuming Martin was a criminal is not a crime.
Treygreen13: need4mospd: Southern100: Cataholic: Step 1: Go to twitter.Step 2: Type "zimmerman" in search box.Step 3: Be very afraid.All I get are news sources.. LA Times, Lou Dobbs, CNN, Associated Press, MSNBC, CBS News, BBS News US, etc.. Doesn't appear to be much from regular people there.. Am I missing something?Next to the word Tweets, switch it from Top to All.Note: reading the "All" comments may give you an aneurysm.
Vermithrax Perjorative: BDLR is putting on a surprisingly weak and borderline hysterical closing. I am not sure what his strategy is. He is outright lying to the jury about facts that are in evidence.
NightOwl2255: Kid, wanna be cop, take the law into his own hands.This guy's going to drag every cliche he knows into this closing.
Facetious_Speciest: Hobodeluxebut that's if you only take the word of a known liar who's ass is on the line and who has a thorough knowledge of self defense law.for all we know Zimmerman tackled Trayvon who then got on top and punched him in the nose.Completely correct. But we're not supposed to imprison people because we think they might be lying. We're supposed to hold to the apparently arcane concept of "innocent until proven guilty."Right? You do agree with that ideological standard of the last 1,500 years in the Western world, yes?
I figured it all out!
WiredMann: whizbangthedirtfarmer: TrixieDelite: Facetious_Speciest: whizbangthedirtfarmer2) He was the aggressor? Then how did Zimmerman get out of the truck? Or did Martin pull him out of the truck? The moment Zimmerman decided to follow the vigilante shtick, he was the aggressor at that moment.Since when is observing someone an act of aggression? Come on, do you really now have a better argument than that?
Treygreen13: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Then how did Zimmerman get out of the truck?Good lord I've gotten out of my car three times today! I've been an aggressor!
Cletus C.: Zimmerman earned that beatdown.
NightOwl2255: Popcorn Johnny: NightOwl2255: But, I'm sure you know much more about the law.Yes, tell us how much you know about the law. Specifically, the possibility of the defense animation being allowed during closing arguments.Please show where I ever questioned the admissibility of the animation.Now, let's catch up on your claims:"during closing arguments where attorneys are free to make all the speculations in the world? ""The defense, just like the prosecution can say anything they want during closing ""During closing arguments, attorneys spin whatever story it is they want the jury to believe. "Ah yes, the law as seen by an PJ. Keep digging Johnny, keep digging.
Get a room, you two.
Thunderpipes: 99% of Farkers wanted George to burn for a long time. The fact that most people now seem to realize how weak the case against him is shows why this was pushed with the wrong intentions completely.
tripleseven: Abuse Liability: tripleseven: I'm just glad that I don't go through life trembling when I see a high, black teen walking through my neighborhood.Good, that makes all of us.Except maybe Zimmerman, and you seem to agree with him, but don't let your previous statements get in your way or anything.
Mid_mo_mad_man: BraveNewCheneyWorld: DROxINxTHExWIND: They claim they just want to see justice but their dog whistles (Trayvon was a "thug", etc.) betray them.He was a thug, but nobody is saying that's why his death is justified. His death is justified because brought a 40 second attack on another person, unprovoked. If you don't want to get shot, don't attack people.Martin was a thug and that's why this happened. A rational person when followed would scream, call 911, run home etc. Martin choose to tell his gf that a cracker was following him and laugh. That's not scared. He clearly was pissed and wanted to teach a lesson. Thug got a slug and the world is no worse for wear
DROxINxTHExWIND: They claim they just want to see justice but their dog whistles (Trayvon was a "thug", etc.) betray them.
tripleseven: I'm just glad that I don't go through life trembling when I see a high, black teen walking through my neighborhood.
Boojum2k: Facetious_Speciest: whizbangthedirtfarmerAgain, what's amusing is that the GUN RIGHTS! people are all rallying around this case, where the main defense is: I am incapable of defending myself against a slightly doughy teenager, and thus I had to use my gun to get him off of me.When did the measure of manliness become "I let someone stronger beat the shiat out of me?"A large part of the J4T crowd are in favor of the "right to beat down people who look at you funny" rule of street law. You know, thugs.
Millennium: PC LOAD LETTER: Deadly response? At no point has anyone proven that TM's response was, in fact, deadly. There's disagreement about the extent of the injuries. "Ground and pound" isn't "braining him on the sidewalk". There's a huge hole here. Maybe if GZ got some actual brain injury, this whole case would sit better with me.If I were aiming for someone's heart with a gun, but I miss and only hit them in the shoulder, I've still used deadly force. If Martin hit Zimmerman's head on the curb once or twice, but Zimmerman somehow managed to escape a brain injury, then Martin still used deadly force.
Frank N Stein: Can anyone explain why this woman is a judge? She's absolutely terrible and should probably be disbarred
A Whole Gopher Village: I think the real problem here is the stupid Stand Your Ground law that Florida politicians enacted. Both of the parties involved were stupid hot heads that caused this scenario to evolve into what it is now, but because of the stupid law there is to much grey area to have a reasonable conclusion. More than likely, because of this murky law, Zimmerman will walk./Really couldn't care either way.//Florida residents brought this on themselves by electing in the law makers behind the law.///When the riots start, lets just hope there will be nothing left of the state shaped like the male member.
heili skrimsli: Are you hiding in my office?
Mi-5: s2s2s2: Judge Nelson likes is slow. FACTThis meme is BEYOND tired. I would suggest something else, as this, to me, has descended itself to threadshiatting.
Facetious_Speciest: Hobodeluxeif Trayvon had time to get home does it not stand to reason that George had more than enough time to get back to his truck? He said he walked over to the next street( to get an address) . then back to his truck, fiddled with his flashlight trying to get it to work while at his truck then went back out, didn't see anything and was on his way to the truck for the 2nd time when Trayvon jumped out of the bushes (that weren't there) and attacked him.I would say it does stand to reason. They both could have withdrawn. They didn't.And by the by, you obviously missed where the police pointed out the bushes in question. In court. With photos.
slayer199: From what I've gathered from following the trial, the prosecution is going to have a difficult time proving second degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt. They should have gone for manslaughter...that would have been an easier case to prove.
Tatsuma: The judge is asking Don West to show where in the law books it says that you can actually follow someone on foot or by car. What the faaaark.PROVE TO ME ITS LEGAL'Well it's not in the law books because it's lawful behavior'OVERRULED
airsupport: Darth_Lukecash: Probably because he had that happy warm gun toting superiority that comes with the second amendment.I gotta be honest, Darth, I never realized what a histrionic, intolerant, judgmental reactionary you are. Up until this thread you seemed to have a good head on your shoulders and I enjoyed your posts. I am sorry I misjudged you.
probesport: I don't believe in Zimmerman.
fredklein: Zimmerman claims he was in fear of his life, but his wounds were minor. I think I have literally cut myself shaving worse than that.
DROxINxTHExWIND: Pretty sure folks know were I stand on Zimmerman's guilt, but the judge counting his lawyers to make the argument that they should be able to study case law quickly in a murder trial is farking ridiculous.
diabloninja: "I don't want to hear the word 'trick' again."lol umadbro
fredklein: This makes no sense.
Tatsuma: 'If the Court will, we would like to add 'Ironically Wearing Sunglasses At Night' to the list of charges'
Treygreen13: This judge needs to be disbarred.
Tatsuma: He's going to be suing the shiat out of the state and rake in farking millions.Don West: Child abuse. Really?
whizbangthedirtfarmer: Into the blue again: s2s2s2: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've looked worse after a game of pickup basketball.An assault can be vicious without inflicting grievous bodily harm.Whiz, you played tackle basketballl too??? That game is rough.An assualt can be VERY vicious and not leave exterior body harm. But if it is vicious there will damage to show for it.Yes, it wasn't quite tackle basketball, as that is forbidden, but it was no foul basketball, so all sorts of chops and shoves were fair game. I've left the game looking worse (and probably feeling worse) than Zimmerman looked in his pictures.
PC LOAD LETTER: You really need to talk to more black people.
fredklein: Unless you can read dead people's minds, you don't know if Trayvon knew about the gun.
Joe Blowme: NeoCortex42: Manslaughter is on the table now for the jury.Along with littering of the spent casing
the_rev: Did Zimmerman jaywalk at any point during the incident? Maybe they can give him 15 years for that. Wait... I guess he was guilty of littering. Maybe they will convict him of that.
jaybeezey: probesport: I don't believe in Zimmerman.He is a lot like the tooth fairy in that regard.
Funkyourdaughter: Ok so if TM was fearful for his life while from ZImmerman following him, why didnt he hang up with Jaba and call the police?
Headso: Molavian: you peoplewho are you calling "you people"?
Darth_Lukecash: Trayvon shouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman, and died because of it. But to say Zimmerman is innocent is rediculous. He purposely injected himself into a dangerous situation. Probably because he had that happy warm gun toting superiority that comes with the second amendment.
Headso: To see a lot of people in these threads say that Zimmerman didn't act in a dangerous way and put people at risk is kinda scary how many proud to be irresponsible gun owners there are out the world.
Thune: Zimmerman was neighborhood watch.Martin was neighborhood thug.Martin decided he didn't like Zimmerman watching him and decided to administer a beat down.Martin got shot for it.And Martin had it coming.
The Singing Bush: I'm not going to say that I think he's guilty or not because it is in the realm of possibility that he may be, but I (unlike a lot of people in these threads) can honestly say I don't know. I think if justice is served then Zimmerman will walk - there's just no evidence to put him away.I will also say I'm a firm believer of that old "I'd rather see 1000 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man convicted" cliche. If you really, truly believe he's guilty, well, you've got 999 to go before you should really be upset.
ACunningPlan: And CNN are still banging the race drum.....http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/opinion/francis-zimmerman-trial/index. ht ml?eref=igoogledmn_topstories
tricycleracer: Zimmerman will be back protecting the streets of his apartment complex by lunchtime tomorrow.Maybe he'll stop by 7-11 to pick up a cool drink and a snack before he starts his shift as a proud defender of freedom.
ferretman: T-Minus 120 hrs until Televisions and sneakers feel the wrath of a 'not guilty' verdict.
Darth_Lukecash: Here's my problem: didn't Trayvon have a right to defend himself against a man who was following him with a gun?
doglover: clancifer: Until he's dead? Maybe he will get shot dead while trying to walk homemurder a creepy ass-cracker with some Skittles.
ChaosStar: Anyone else working on a thread badge?I'd hate to do it only to have someone else make a better one than my under-developed image manipulation skills can produce./though I have a great concept for one
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