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(Talking Points Memo)   New Navy drone lands on carrier and HOLY FARK THAT'S HUGE   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 74
    More: Interesting, New Navy, X-47B, fighter aircrafts, USS George H.W. Bush, stealth aircraft, flight deck, network connections, jet  
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2013-07-11 09:34:27 AM  
I was expecting to click on the article and say "Ho hum it's not THAT big." But subby was right, it's big, real and spectacular.
 
2013-07-11 09:37:53 AM  
Sorry, I'll put my pants back on. What's this story about?
 
2013-07-11 09:38:39 AM  
I'm not impressed.
 
2013-07-11 09:39:55 AM  
LOL killer robot.
 
2013-07-11 09:42:44 AM  
It's a neat technical achievement, no question.

But I'm leery about what this type of thing portends. On the one hand, unmanned combat robotics could obviously save a lot of American lives in the future. On the other, American civilians are already indifferent enough to who they're killing abroad and why, how much less will they care what the politicians and military are doing if there aren't even any Americans at risk?
 
2013-07-11 09:53:47 AM  
Yay. More military spending.
 
2013-07-11 09:54:06 AM  
FTFA: the X-47B relies only on computer programs to tell it where to fly unless a human operator needs to step in.

I'll be happy when it's only the computer, but this will do for now.
 
2013-07-11 09:56:57 AM  
This Skynet program is coming along well.... What could ever go wrong...
 
2013-07-11 09:58:20 AM  
How do you clean up after a computer shiats itself on a carrier landing?
 
2013-07-11 09:58:37 AM  

neversubmit: FTFA: the X-47B relies only on computer programs to tell it where to fly unless a human operator needs to step in.

I'll be happy when it's only the computer, but this will do for now.


I think I saw that movie...
 
2013-07-11 09:58:49 AM  

neversubmit: FTFA: the X-47B relies only on computer programs to tell it where to fly unless a human operator needs to step in.

I'll be happy when it's only the computer, but this will do for now.


Have you learned nothing from crappy mid 2000s movies about the dangers? It puts Jessica Biel at risk instead of in my bed and that is just wrong. Wrong!
 
2013-07-11 10:00:04 AM  
Too bad the carrier wasn't named the George W Bush or the Barack Obama.

What's that whooshing sou
 
2013-07-11 10:01:59 AM  
Keep this in mind:  the little monster took off from Rhode Island and landed on a carrier off the coast of Virginia....all on its own.
 
2013-07-11 10:02:00 AM  
EDI, it's official you've got a callsign. UCAV "Tinman" EDI the first.
 
2013-07-11 10:02:11 AM  
Pity that program is getting mothballed right after that achievement.

Still, I for one welcome our autonomous metal overlords.
 
2013-07-11 10:03:22 AM  

Arkanaut: I think I saw that movie...


limeyfellow: Have you learned nothing from crappy mid 2000s movies about the dangers? It puts Jessica Biel at risk instead of in my bed and that is just wrong. Wrong!


Heavens to Betsy's! I just want them to fly around killing everyone is that so wrong?
 
2013-07-11 10:04:55 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: Keep this in mind:  the little monster took off from Rhode Island and landed on a carrier off the coast of Virginia....all on its own.


As I read your words I had that thought and went ooooh nice thanks
 
2013-07-11 10:07:15 AM  
Yeah, but can the drone play shirtless volleyball against Val Kilmer?
 
2013-07-11 10:09:00 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: Keep this in mind:  the little monster took off from Rhode Island and landed on a carrier off the coast of Virginia....all on its own.


Pax River is in Southern Maryland, to get to "off the coast of Virginia" was probably under 200 miles. Not that that isn't impressive/scary still...
 
2013-07-11 10:12:45 AM  

sten: AtlanticCoast63: Keep this in mind:  the little monster took off from Rhode Island and landed on a carrier off the coast of Virginia....all on its own.

Pax River is in Southern Maryland, to get to "off the coast of Virginia" was probably under 200 miles. Not that that isn't impressive/scary still...


Having a lump of steel fly around in the sky and land on a boat 200 miles away without a human pilot is not impressive?  I still think the ice machine on my fridge is cool.
 
2013-07-11 10:14:20 AM  

gimlet: sten: AtlanticCoast63: Keep this in mind:  the little monster took off from Rhode Island and landed on a carrier off the coast of Virginia....all on its own.

Pax River is in Southern Maryland, to get to "off the coast of Virginia" was probably under 200 miles. Not that that isn't impressive/scary still...

Having a lump of steel fly around in the sky and land on a boat 200 miles away without a human pilot is not impressive?  I still think the ice machine on my fridge is cool.


Sorry, I need to learn how to read.  :)
 
2013-07-11 10:18:02 AM  

ChrisDe: Yeah, but can the drone play shirtless volleyball against Val Kilmer?


Have you seen Val lately? Please no pics.
 
2013-07-11 10:20:47 AM  
I'm guessing the Navy is going to be the one to develop all the cool unmanned air craft since it's not entirely run by fighter jocks like the Air Force?
 
2013-07-11 10:23:35 AM  

neversubmit: FTFA: the X-47B relies only on computer programs to tell it where to fly unless a human operator needs to step in.

I'll be happy when it's only the computer, but this will do for now.


Actually I believe the article is incorrect ... at least in their wording.

From what I understand, it is completely flown by computer but all decisions/commands are issued by a human operator.

To compare:

Current drone operator:
- flies the drone like a RC plane - joystick, throttle, etc.

X47B operator:
- sits in front of computer and clicks commands like: "take off", "go to altitude X", "set heading Y", "intercept target A", "bomb target B"

That is to say, the X47B is completely flown by computer but is 100% reliant on a human to give it commands for what to do.
 
2013-07-11 10:25:31 AM  

gimlet: gimlet: sten: AtlanticCoast63: Keep this in mind:  the little monster took off from Rhode Island and landed on a carrier off the coast of Virginia....all on its own.

Pax River is in Southern Maryland, to get to "off the coast of Virginia" was probably under 200 miles. Not that that isn't impressive/scary still...

Having a lump of steel fly around in the sky and land on a boat 200 miles away without a human pilot is not impressive?  I still think the ice machine on my fridge is cool.

Sorry, I need to learn how to read.  :)


I also need to learn how to write in a more direct manner :D
 
2013-07-11 10:29:39 AM  

Farking Canuck: neversubmit: FTFA: the X-47B relies only on computer programs to tell it where to fly unless a human operator needs to step in.

I'll be happy when it's only the computer, but this will do for now.

Actually I believe the article is incorrect ... at least in their wording.

From what I understand, it is completely flown by computer but all decisions/commands are issued by a human operator.

To compare:

Current drone operator:
- flies the drone like a RC plane - joystick, throttle, etc.

X47B operator:
- sits in front of computer and clicks commands like: "take off", "go to altitude X", "set heading Y", "intercept target A", "bomb target B"

That is to say, the X47B is completely flown by computer but is 100% reliant on a human to give it commands for what to do.


Dude! You are harshing by buzz!

death and hatred to mankind
 
2013-07-11 10:36:13 AM  
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2013-07-11 10:40:47 AM  
Wouldn't it be cheaper just to outsource the pilot's job to China?
 
2013-07-11 10:43:11 AM  
www.moviegoods.com

Unavailable for comment.
 
2013-07-11 10:44:40 AM  

illegal.tender: Yay. More military spending.


You sound bitter.  Daddy issues maybe?  Perhaps it will comfort you to know if the military is replaced by robots, there won't be much in the means of human payroll.  So no benefits for VAs.  You'd like that I bet.
 
2013-07-11 10:45:55 AM  
Every time I see something about new drones I keep thinking back to the Macross Plus Ghost Fighter. F-that, bring on the mind controlled jets!

www.macross2.net
 
2013-07-11 10:50:53 AM  
whar video? whar?
 
2013-07-11 10:55:34 AM  

abhorrent1: whar video? whar?


Here you go.
 
2013-07-11 10:59:03 AM  
I keep thinking "Why are they talking about building 2,500 F35 fighters?", then I realize we're blazing a trail for someone to hack in and take over the very dangerous drones. Or build a fleet of cheap drones whose AI's can feedback into the gestalt when they lose a fight.

It's a very sci-fi world out there.
 
2013-07-11 10:59:35 AM  

sten: AtlanticCoast63: Keep this in mind:  the little monster took off from Rhode Island and landed on a carrier off the coast of Virginia....all on its own.

Pax River is in Southern Maryland, to get to "off the coast of Virginia" was probably under 200 miles. Not that that isn't impressive/scary still...


More like 20 miles from PAX.  If you're down in the annex you can spit on Virginia's coastline, which I would suggest, because fark Virginia.  It's almost, but not quite, as bad as southern Maryland.  At least we can have radar detectors.

Anyway...yes, the drones are big.  About as big as an F/A-18.  We also have fun toy helicopters that we're teaching to land on destroyer/cruiser decks:
www.naval-technology.com
 
2013-07-11 11:06:44 AM  
There's no pilot.  Who are the deck handlers signaling to? All that cool hand signalling choreography seems kind of silly when moving an overgrown Roomba around.

Comes to that, how does it drive to its catapult launch position?
 
2013-07-11 11:14:46 AM  

StrangeQ: sten: AtlanticCoast63: 

More like 20 miles from PAX.  If you're down in the annex you can spit on Virginia's coastline, which I would suggest, because fark Virginia.  It's almost, but not quite, as bad as southern Maryland.  At least we can have radar detectors.


I was assuming they didn't have a carrier in the Potomac or Chesapeake. You won't get me to defend Southern Maryland though, I had the misfortune of growing up there (non-Navy brat transplant, worked at Pax River for a while though, good engineering internships)...but yes, fark Virginia.
 
2013-07-11 11:17:50 AM  

illegal.tender: Yay. More military spending.


What do you want to spend the money on? Agriculture? Feeding the poor?
Then what? The poor breed more poor. And how do you control the population then?
You'll need a bigger war machine.
 
2013-07-11 11:18:54 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: There's no pilot.  Who are the deck handlers signaling to? All that cool hand signalling choreography seems kind of silly when moving an overgrown Roomba around.

Comes to that, how does it drive to its catapult launch position?


I want to see a giant military Roomba row over everything sucking it up...
 
2013-07-11 11:23:29 AM  
Now we just need to hand over a few of them to the NSA to deal with some of us troublemakers.
 
2013-07-11 11:37:24 AM  
For your viewing pleasure. Please do not be distracted by the ginger grape, but she is kind of cute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VETFFYo92e4
 
2013-07-11 11:55:17 AM  
This article is relevant to my interests.  By golly it's where my username came from!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeA1dUmyOpM

For those casually scrolling, it's an RC Hunter Killer from Terminator.

/pew pew!
 
2013-07-11 11:58:05 AM  

neversubmit: ChrisDe: Yeah, but can the drone play shirtless volleyball against Val Kilmer?

Have you seen Val lately? Please no pics.


Once upon a time when Val Kilmer was the got-dam Batman and The Saint and Jim Morrison and all the girls in college fapped themselves into a frenzy over him, I asked a gypsy woman to give me his looks.

Now, 18 years later I've hardly changed and my wish has finally come true, though it's "true" only in gypsy double-crossing wish style.

/Thanks for nothing gypsy!
 
2013-07-11 11:59:13 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: How do you clean up after a computer shiats itself on a carrier landing?


RAM dump?
 
2013-07-11 12:05:15 PM  
shichitenhakki.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-11 12:07:38 PM  
It's no bigger than a Reaper, but it seems most people don't realize how big these things really are.
 
2013-07-11 12:10:22 PM  
Oh, and it is dwarfed by the Global Hawk.

files.air-attack.com
 
2013-07-11 12:25:35 PM  

Thunderboy: Oh, and it is dwarfed by the Global Hawk.

[files.air-attack.com image 850x569]


Probably a dumb-assed comment, but do drones really need to look so similar to piloted aeroplanes?
 
2013-07-11 12:37:26 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: Thunderboy: Oh, and it is dwarfed by the Global Hawk.

[files.air-attack.com image 850x569]

Probably a dumb-assed comment, but do drones really need to look so similar to piloted aeroplanes?


Well, yes all things concidered.  The pilot is already an after thought in most planes, Stuck under a canopy blister somewhere near the front.  Air over 200 MPH is less "air' and more soup/syrup.
 
2013-07-11 12:42:35 PM  
Is it that big to justify the size of current aircraft carriers? The only reason to make the thing that big is to consolidate all your firepower on as few planes as possible. If skilled pilots are hard to find, expensive to train, and lost with the plane then making a huge plane and fitting it with huge engines and weapons makes sense. If planes are expendable, then basic car/motorcycle engines driving prop planes begin to make more sense and then land them on a destroyer.

Way back in the early 1990s I did a small job for the scorpion (http://www.freewing.com/). The basics was a relatively cheap way to get ultra-short takeoff and landing (the body could point 60 degrees up while the wings were level). Too bad that while it was a joint venture with Scaled Composites (Burt Rutan had credit, I think he came up with the overall design) Freewing largely worked with French military companies which certainly wasn't a good plan at the time. Somehow I can't see an aircraft carrier full of huge drones being remotely as effective as quite a few destroyers with plenty of smaller drones. The slight bump in replacing downed drones won't match the cost of the anchor on the carrier.

Seriously: it looks like the Navy is getting back [legalized] sodomy. Let them have grog and [consensual] lashing and get rid of these billion dollar "traditions".
 
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