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(Daily Mail)   It turns out that taking omega-3 fish oil supplements may increase the risk of aggressive prostate cancer by 70%. Ooops   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 39
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2013-07-11 09:00:09 AM  
Great, I just took one.
 
2013-07-11 09:07:56 AM  
Is there a higher risk of aggressive prostate cancer among Japanese who naturally eat a diet higher in EPA/DHA?
 
2013-07-11 09:09:22 AM  
It's almost as if you should be eating healthy foods instead of taking pills containing concentrated nutrients and supplements.

Nah, that's too crazy.  Just keep popping pills.
 
2013-07-11 09:10:46 AM  

Carth: Is there a higher risk of aggressive prostate cancer among Japanese who naturally eat a diet higher in EPA/DHA?


No.
 
2013-07-11 09:12:39 AM  
Put some chia seeds on your cereal in the morning and forget about fish oil pills.
 
2013-07-11 09:16:23 AM  
Hypocrites.
 
2013-07-11 09:18:29 AM  
Let's not get too excited by a Daily Fail article.
 
2013-07-11 09:18:43 AM  
That's nice dailyfail here's your pat on the head.

/pat
//pat pat
 
2013-07-11 09:39:27 AM  
1.  I'm not getting dietary (or any other type of) advice from the Daily Fail.

2.  Skip the supplements, and eat a varied and healthy diet. Duh.
 
2013-07-11 09:46:42 AM  

Hollie Maea: Put some chia seeds on your cereal in the morning and forget about fish oil pills.


Chia seeds are not without side effects.

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/cha-cha-cha-Chia!
 
2013-07-11 09:48:15 AM  
yeah I think I would rather listen to what my doctor recommends
 
2013-07-11 09:59:00 AM  
Have some wild salmon, sardines, or grass-fed beef/lamb/bison a few times a week and you should get plenty of your essential fats. If that's not possible, these pills are fine.
 
2013-07-11 10:02:39 AM  
When I want science, I always turn to the Daily Mail.
 
2013-07-11 10:05:41 AM  
For those badmouthing the story simply because it comes from the Daily Fail:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130710183637.htm
 
2013-07-11 10:08:35 AM  
Link to full study for anyone interested:


http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/173/12/1429
 
2013-07-11 10:15:06 AM  

Hollie Maea: Put some chia seeds on your cereal in the morning and forget about fish oil pills.


What I got from the article was that it is the Omega 3 fatty acid that was linked to cancer, not where it came from. In that case chia or flax seed would be just as bad although they were pointing to the higher dosage in supplements.

All things in moderation...except lead paint chips, those things are delicious.
 
2013-07-11 10:33:07 AM  

dsmith42: Link to full study for anyone interested:


http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/173/12/1429


You think that a scientific study is going to convince people who use snake oil herbal supplements?
 
2013-07-11 10:38:09 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: It's almost as if you should be eating healthy foods instead of taking pills containing concentrated nutrients and supplements.

Nah, that's too crazy.  Just keep popping pills.


Yes, I'm sure your homeopathic dilution of 5 parts per million is far better, especially in conjunction with chakra crystals and magnets.
 
2013-07-11 10:44:18 AM  
Duh, you're supposed to EAT them...
 
2013-07-11 10:45:45 AM  

SewerSquirrels: Hollie Maea: Put some chia seeds on your cereal in the morning and forget about fish oil pills.

What I got from the article was that it is the Omega 3 fatty acid that was linked to cancer, not where it came from. In that case chia or flax seed would be just as bad although they were pointing to the higher dosage in supplements.

All things in moderation...except lead paint chips, those things are delicious.


Yes.  Here's the final paragraph of the paper, which basically says, "more research is needed before we can tell you what to eat."

In conclusion, this large prospective investigation of inflammation-associated phospholipid fatty acids and prostate cancer risk found no support that ω-3 fatty acids reduce or trans-fatty acids increase prostate cancer risk. Indeed, our findings are disconcerting as they suggest that ω-3 fatty acids, considered beneficial for coronary artery disease prevention, may increase high-grade prostate cancer risk, whereas trans-fatty acids, considered harmful, may reduce high-grade prostate cancer risk. These findings illustrate the complexity of research on nutrition and chronic disease risk, in which the effects of nutrients may differ across multiple diseases. A comprehensive understanding of the effects of nutrients on a broad range of diseases will be necessary before making recommendations for dietary changes or use of individual dietary supplements for disease prevention.
 
2013-07-11 10:48:02 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Yes, I'm sure your homeopathic dilution of 5 parts per million is far better, especially in conjunction with chakra crystals and magnets.


Because that's exactly what I suggested.

Congrats on your lack of reading comprehension. What I suggested is what virtually every nutritionist would suggest: eat a healthy, balanced diet and you don't need supplements. And that taking a handful of supplements daily won't protect you from the effects of eating the average western sh*tty diet, and may in fact do more harm than good, as this study (and others like it) shows.

Sorry you interpret that as homeopathic/anti-science. I guess you're living up to that "lowbrow" moniker you've chosen.
 
2013-07-11 11:09:10 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Congrats on your lack of reading comprehension. What I suggested is what virtually every nutritionist would suggest: eat a healthy, balanced diet and you don't need supplements. And that taking a handful of supplements daily won't protect you from the effects of eating the average western sh*tty diet, and may in fact do more harm than good, as this study (and others like it) shows.


yes, but that might require actual effort and a possible lifestyle change.
 
2013-07-11 11:21:23 AM  
Yeah, well, I have a history of heart disease in my family, and no history of prostate cancer, so I'm gonna continue eating a healthy diet and popping fish pills, thank you very much.
 
2013-07-11 11:26:43 AM  
Reading more than 3 Daily Mail articles per day also gives you cancer.
 
2013-07-11 11:39:09 AM  
Here's a rebuttal for those interested.   http://examine.com/blog/fish-oil-and-your-prostate/
 
2013-07-11 11:52:17 AM  
www.phdcomics.com
 
2013-07-11 12:33:39 PM  

TheAnvil: http://examine.com/blog/fish-oil-and-your-prostate/


Thanks for posting that. I think it even deserves a repost in this thread to emphasize the fact that they are not sure if this is a case of cause and effect or just coincidence.

Here is the conclusion to the blog's counterpoint

"Stating "fish oil causes cancer" due to this study would be a mistake, as it is a case-cohort study (conducted at one time point only), and a temporal relationship is not made. While unlikely, with the data available, it could also be possible to state "prostate cancer causes a higher n3 concentration in the blood."

The temporal aspect is important, since fish oil supplementation can drastically change serum levels of omega-3s in the blood. It is quite common for people diagnosed with prostate cancer to supplement with fish oil, as it is commonly touted to be cancer-protective (which would mean that prostate cancer precedes fish oil supplementation). A previous study using persons from SELECT using a design that could assess this temporal relationship."
 
2013-07-11 12:33:47 PM  
I don't have a prostate.

/tired of burping fish, and thinking 'where's that from, I didn't have fish for dinner today'.
 
2013-07-11 12:36:11 PM  

SewerSquirrels: What I got from the article was that it is the Omega 3 fatty acid that was linked to cancer, not where it came from. In that case chia or flax seed would be just as bad although they were pointing to the higher dosage in supplements.


Except plants have ALA Omega 3, and the study didn't establish a link between ALA and prostate cancer.
 
2013-07-11 12:37:49 PM  
I think you are suppose to swallow them not insert them.
 
2013-07-11 12:40:47 PM  

darklingscribe: TheAnvil: http://examine.com/blog/fish-oil-and-your-prostate/

Thanks for posting that. I think it even deserves a repost in this thread to emphasize the fact that they are not sure if this is a case of cause and effect or just coincidence.

Here is the conclusion to the blog's counterpoint

"Stating "fish oil causes cancer" due to this study would be a mistake, as it is a case-cohort study (conducted at one time point only), and a temporal relationship is not made. While unlikely, with the data available, it could also be possible to state "prostate cancer causes a higher n3 concentration in the blood."

The temporal aspect is important, since fish oil supplementation can drastically change serum levels of omega-3s in the blood. It is quite common for people diagnosed with prostate cancer to supplement with fish oil, as it is commonly touted to be cancer-protective (which would mean that prostate cancer precedes fish oil supplementation). A previous study using persons from SELECT using a design that could assess this temporal relationship found no relation (either protective or harmful) with prostate cancer incidence.


Furthermore, this study did not measure mortality. When looking at mortality, fish oil seems to be associated with reduced mortality.  In simpler words, it was found to not help prevent prostate cancer, but reduced your chances of dying from it. "


Fixed. Copy and paste did not like the links in the blog's text.
 
2013-07-11 12:40:53 PM  

theorellior: Yeah, well, I have a history of heart disease in my family, and no history of prostate cancer, so I'm gonna continue eating a healthy diet and popping fish pills, thank you very much.


You might look into a form of Omega 3 with DHA/EPA from algae. The harvesting of the fish for fish oil has had an enormous impact on the animals that eat them, like penguins, and fish don't actually make Omega 3, they get it from eating the algae anyway.
 
2013-07-11 01:06:44 PM  
Solution:  Fap more.  Empty the tank and there won't be anything in there brewing up cancerous cells.  Ta-da!
 
2013-07-11 01:09:43 PM  

Mister Buttons: Solution:  Fap more.  Empty the tank and there won't be anything in there brewing up cancerous cells.  Ta-da!


That should be on a bumper sticker
 
2013-07-11 01:35:56 PM  

Huggermugger: /tired of burping fish, and thinking 'where's that from, I didn't have fish for dinner today'.


Look for burpless or enteric pills. I've never had fish burps.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: You might look into a form of Omega 3 with DHA/EPA from algae. The harvesting of the fish for fish oil has had an enormous impact on the animals that eat them, like penguins, and fish don't actually make Omega 3, they get it from eating the algae anyway.


I thought the fish oil was basically going to get tossed if it wasn't used, so using it in supplements is actually relatively benign.
 
2013-07-11 02:46:25 PM  
Figures. Next week's Daily Wail article: choke down every supplement on the market or your pancreas will poison you in your sleep!
 
2013-07-11 07:31:35 PM  
I eat everything I catch in the detroit river.

Screw supplements.
 
2013-07-11 08:55:04 PM  

Huggermugger: I don't have a prostate.

/tired of burping fish, and thinking 'where's that from, I didn't have fish for dinner today'.


Look into getting it in DHA/EPA  from algae (the brand I'm currently taking is Ovega-3).  No fish burps because it's not from fish.  You are getting it from the same source the fish get it from.
 
2013-07-11 09:34:23 PM  

meanmutton: dsmith42: Link to full study for anyone interested:


http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/173/12/1429

You think that a scientific study is going to convince people who use snake oil herbal supplements?


I didn't know that fish was an herb. I'm going to try and grow some in my garden next year.
 
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