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(Telegraph)   British researchers helping to create synthetic yeast which could eventually be used to make cheaper - and stronger - beer   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 112
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2013-07-10 08:32:42 PM
Chlamydia: Strong enough for a woman, made for a man
 
2013-07-10 08:37:20 PM
Gentlemen, we can make it better than it was before. Cheaper....stronger...tastier.

/BWAA BWAA BWAA BWAAA BWA BWAH BWAH BWAH BWA!
 
2013-07-10 08:51:01 PM
Synthetic yeast for your Real Doll, to make it really real.
 
2013-07-10 08:57:40 PM
Can they come up with one that eats hops and produces a flavor that isn't ass?

/*ducks*
 
2013-07-10 08:57:54 PM
WHY MUST MANKIND PLAY GOD
 
2013-07-10 09:10:02 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Can they come up with one that eats hops and produces a flavor that isn't ass?

/*ducks*


*Throws a Limited Edition 90 Day Cherry-Cask Glṻster Bräů 360° IPA (draught) in the general direction of your head*
 
2013-07-10 09:16:13 PM
That last paragraph was lifted straight from a 1970's sci-fi B-movie.
 
2013-07-10 09:23:16 PM
Brilliant!
 
2013-07-10 10:24:26 PM
How is this going to make beer cheaper? First off, a designer genome is going to be monstrously expensive compared to a sour mash of currently available strains. Secondly, if you argue the "less energy" standpoint, the yeast's energy source is sugars in the grain (not from a wall outlet) -- so if it makes more alcohol without consuming as much sugar, you'll get sweeter, sugary beers since the sugar won't all be used up. I doubt that's the flavor profile you're going for.
 
2013-07-10 10:33:14 PM
How long before we have Monsanto Beer?
 
2013-07-10 10:59:07 PM
So they want the artificial yeast to attenuate more and be more alcohol-tolerant? Yeah, this isn't going to be for beer, but for creating alcohol for fuel.
 
2013-07-10 11:35:21 PM

Donnchadha: How is this going to make beer cheaper? First off, a designer genome is going to be monstrously expensive compared to a sour mash of currently available strains. Secondly, if you argue the "less energy" standpoint, the yeast's energy source is sugars in the grain (not from a wall outlet) -- so if it makes more alcohol without consuming as much sugar, you'll get sweeter, sugary beers since the sugar won't all be used up. I doubt that's the flavor profile you're going for.


Once you design the genome and get it stabilized in the strain so that it becomes self-perpetuating, economy of scale kicks in hard.  As for the yield, the primary mechanism currently is to kill all of the side pathways that make alternate fermentation products.  For a designer organism, it would essentially be locked in to ethanol production.  They didn't phrase it well, but it's really more about conversion efficiency than anything else.
 
2013-07-10 11:36:18 PM

violentsalvation: So they want the artificial yeast to attenuate more and be more alcohol-tolerant? Yeah, this isn't going to be for beer, but for creating alcohol for fuel.


It will still have to be distilled, so the gains will be modest.

basemetal: How long before we have Monsanto Beer?


Bring it on! If Monsanto teams up with AB, we can have Frankenbeer, and it will all be produced in St. Louis! Muahahahaha!
 
2013-07-10 11:37:55 PM

Mentat: Once you design the genome and get it stabilized in the strain so that it becomes self-perpetuating, economy of scale kicks in hard. As for the yield, the primary mechanism currently is to kill all of the side pathways that make alternate fermentation products. For a designer organism, it would essentially be locked in to ethanol production. They didn't phrase it well, but it's really more about conversion efficiency than anything else.


I like the way you think. You must be from Missouri to be that smart.
 
2013-07-11 12:10:38 AM
I keep wanting to buy Tactical Nuclear Penguin.

Someone give me a reason not to.
 
2013-07-11 12:10:46 AM

basemetal: How long before we have Monsanto Beer?


I'm sure that nearly every beer you've drank in the last 10 years had at least some grain from Monsanto.
 
2013-07-11 12:11:51 AM
Beer is about taste, not raw alcohol content.

Go do a shot of 151 if all you want is alcohol.
 
2013-07-11 12:11:54 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Can they come up with one that eats hops and produces a flavor that isn't ass?

/*ducks*


Ill assume you like dark beers to.
 
2013-07-11 12:14:03 AM
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2013-07-11 12:18:33 AM
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"Laddie, I was drinking Scotch a hundred years before you were born. And I can tell you that whatever this is, it is definitely not Scotch."

/not beer, i know
 
2013-07-11 12:19:05 AM
The strongest yeasts top out around 12% alcohol. Any quick brewing increase above 12% will result in energy savings on ethanol, which currently has a dubious energy balance.
 
2013-07-11 12:21:57 AM

megarian: I keep wanting to buy Tactical Nuclear Penguin.

Someone give me a reason not to.


Holy expletive deleted. 32% alcohol by volume.

Sam Adams Utopias is only 29% ABV.

Guiness Extra Stout is 6% ABV for comparison.
 
2013-07-11 12:27:13 AM
Cyclops there... cyclops there... cyclops THERE... turrets... moon buggies... oh, my holy crap: surveillance does. I hate those.
 
2013-07-11 12:29:14 AM
First and foremost let me say fark IPAs. Barrel aging is a much better way to get stronger beer. My favorite is a russian imperial stout aged 6 months in whiskey barrels.
 
2013-07-11 12:32:17 AM

JungleBoogie: megarian: I keep wanting to buy Tactical Nuclear Penguin.

Someone give me a reason not to.

Holy expletive deleted. 32% alcohol by volume.

Sam Adams Utopias is only 29% ABV.

Guiness Extra Stout is 6% ABV for comparison.


Exactly.
 
2013-07-11 12:33:12 AM
Removing living organisms from one of the few remaining foods that contain living organisms is another step in the wrong direction. We have met the enemy and it is food scientists.
 
2013-07-11 12:36:46 AM
www.smbmovie.com
I've seen this somewhere before...
 
2013-07-11 12:39:35 AM

Dear Jerk: Removing living organisms from one of the few remaining foods that contain living organisms is another step in the wrong direction. We have met the enemy and it is food scientists.


You have way too much faith in our food supply.
 
2013-07-11 12:40:40 AM

basemetal: How long before we have Monsanto Beer?



About 9 years ago... it was a bit flat with consumers,,,
http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/beer.cfm
 
2013-07-11 12:43:00 AM
Stronger yeast that would result in a higher ABV, or stronger yeast that could handle poorer fermentation environments without dying prematurely?  Getting skunk beer because you had cleaning or infiltration issues, not enough oxygenation before fermentation or temperature swings bites royal ass.


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Ale to the chief?

www.whitehouse.gov
 
2013-07-11 12:46:43 AM
Pretty sure the folds in the leather of my computer chair are a rich source of yeast too.
 
2013-07-11 12:47:09 AM
Reinheitsgebot purity law of 1516 laughs at your stupid little "innovation"
 
2013-07-11 12:52:26 AM
Will it taste better than Bud Light? That's all I care about.

/Just had Blue Moon's Agave Necter Ale. De-friggin-licious.
 
2013-07-11 01:01:08 AM
I'm not a biologist or a linguist. But the word synthetic sounds wrong to me in this context. It doesn't sound like a synthetic version of something that is natural. It sounds like it is creating a new natural something that hadn't existed before.
 
2013-07-11 01:01:33 AM
Instead of cheaper and stronger how about just better?

Actually, nevermind. That's already been done...

www.bruguru.com

/973 years ago
 
2013-07-11 01:01:38 AM

megarian: JungleBoogie: megarian: I keep wanting to buy Tactical Nuclear Penguin.

Someone give me a reason not to.

Holy expletive deleted. 32% alcohol by volume.

Sam Adams Utopias is only 29% ABV.

Guiness Extra Stout is 6% ABV for comparison.

Exactly.


it's not how strong it is, it's who you drink it with
 
2013-07-11 01:02:19 AM
I can see it now: beer with synthetic yeast is made and beer snobs start claiming that beer with natural yeast tastes better.

Then somebody will set up a blind taste test that will find the beer snobs are full of shiat and they can't tell the difference between "natural beer" and "synth beer".

But the beer snobs will keep claiming that beer with natural yeast is vastly superior. It's happened before: beer snobs continue to say that bottled beer tastes better than beer from a can even though blind taste tests have proven that there is no difference in taste.
 
2013-07-11 01:02:51 AM
Someone should tell the Brits that not everyone drinks beer to get shiatfaced as quickly as possible - for as cheap as possible.
 
2013-07-11 01:02:57 AM
At many grocery stores you can buy beer that's cheaper than bottled water. How much cheaper can beer get?
 
2013-07-11 01:09:56 AM

Heathen: megarian: JungleBoogie: megarian: I keep wanting to buy Tactical Nuclear Penguin.

Someone give me a reason not to.

Holy expletive deleted. 32% alcohol by volume.

Sam Adams Utopias is only 29% ABV.

Guiness Extra Stout is 6% ABV for comparison.

Exactly.

it's not how strong it is, it's who you drink it with


And what it makes you do to them after you've finished drinking it.
 
2013-07-11 01:14:30 AM

darkjezter: beer snobs continue to say that bottled beer tastes better than beer from a can even though blind taste tests have proven that there is no difference in taste.


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/I am not a beer snob. I drink craft beers occasionally, but the beers I drink most often are all well-recognized name brands in their own countries, if not globally.
//I can *easily* differentiate between canned and bottled beer sight unseen; there is a clear metallic flavor to the canned beer
///Those metal bottles that they came out with 8 or 10 years ago are different though. I don't know how the material or finishing differs from a standard can, but I will happily admit I can't tell the difference between them and glass. (Been years since I drank one though; no idea if they still exist.)
 
2013-07-11 01:15:01 AM

megarian: I keep wanting to buy Tactical Nuclear Penguin.

Someone give me a reason not to.


It's absurdly expensive. Although, if you get your hands on a bottle, let a guy know so he can come over and mooch a glass.
 
2013-07-11 01:17:22 AM

megarian: I keep wanting to buy Tactical Nuclear Penguin.

Someone give me a reason not to.


I've heard the TNP isn't terrible, but that their second overproof outing, Sink the Bismarck, (freeze distilled IPA) is downright undrinkable.  My friend who tried it said it tastes like drinking alcoholic hops extract. They also make the End of History, a 52% Eisbock which comes in this bottle...

www.brewdog.com

Yeah...

I've got a couple of bottles of their Paradox Stouts (the Islay and the Smokehead) that I plan on cracking open soon, but they are only around 10%.


Also, I'm pretty sure consuming synthetic yeast leads to this...
i.neoseeker.com

So no thank you
 
2013-07-11 01:17:26 AM

gweilo8888: darkjezter: beer snobs continue to say that bottled beer tastes better than beer from a can even though blind taste tests have proven that there is no difference in taste.

[citationneeded.jpg]

/I am not a beer snob. I drink craft beers occasionally, but the beers I drink most often are all well-recognized name brands in their own countries, if not globally.
//I can *easily* differentiate between canned and bottled beer sight unseen; there is a clear metallic flavor to the canned beer
///Those metal bottles that they came out with 8 or 10 years ago are different though. I don't know how the material or finishing differs from a standard can, but I will happily admit I can't tell the difference between them and glass. (Been years since I drank one though; no idea if they still exist.)


I would rank them can < bottle < draft. Good god...there are beers I only moderately like in a bottle that are amazeballs on draft, Fat Tire being one of them.
 
2013-07-11 01:21:04 AM

zzrhardy: Someone should tell the Brits that not everyone drinks beer to get shiatfaced as quickly as possible - for as cheap as possible.


This ↑↑↑↑

But in defense of British brewing...

thefullpint.com

Link
 
2013-07-11 01:25:53 AM

zzrhardy: Someone should tell the Brits that not everyone drinks beer to get shiatfaced as quickly as possible - for as cheap as possible.


Yup.  Easier to just break out the Everclear 180 and some mixers (or not).
 
2013-07-11 01:28:29 AM
This is how zombies start....
 
2013-07-11 01:30:47 AM

JungleBoogie: Holy expletive deleted. 32% alcohol by volume.


That's served in 12 ounce bottles? "Honestly, officer, I only had one beer."
 
2013-07-11 01:32:41 AM

PizzaJedi81: I would rank them can < bottle < draft. Good god...there are beers I only moderately like in a bottle that are amazeballs on draft, Fat Tire being one of them.


Depends on the beer. Some I prefer on tap, some on bottle. But yeah, draft and bottle are both better than can.
 
2013-07-11 01:32:58 AM
Is this the plot for the "Children of Men" prequel?
 
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