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(CBC)   Confront a customer about leaving a dog in a vehicle on a hot day? That's a firing if you are a Walmart employee   (cbc.ca) divider line 199
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2013-07-10 06:59:40 PM  
If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.
 
2013-07-10 07:01:58 PM  
Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.
 
2013-07-10 07:02:37 PM  
of her manager*
 
2013-07-10 07:47:51 PM  

Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.


If I see a dog in a car, and it doesn't look like it's doing so well,  I'm going to have them page the "owner of the (make, model) vehicle" to come to the front of the store so I can let them know how the dog's doing. Especially if I don't know how long that dog's been in that car. It's  easy for a "just get in, get out" shopping trip to end up lasting longer when you're actually in the store and seeing things you just now realized you need.

Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.
 
2013-07-10 07:58:45 PM  
I get the feeling that she's the kind of person who will now spend every waking moment at that parking lot until they finally ban her from the property.

/Because teh widdle doggies neeeeeeeeed her and NO ONE CARES ABOUT THEM!!!
//I dated a person like that once.  It didn't take long to find out.
 
2013-07-10 08:18:50 PM  
She should have sprayed red paint on the dog to advance her cause.
 
2013-07-10 08:29:41 PM  
"He said he was no longer going to be shopping at that Walmart..."

Baby steps people, baby steps.
 
2013-07-10 08:43:13 PM  
"Wal-Mart manager is uncomfortable with the potential liability of having one of his employees policing the parking lot for dogs left in cars. Instructs employee to bring the information directly to management should it ever happen again. Employee refuses and leaves manager no other recourse than to fire her."

Ahhhh yes... accuracy.
 
2013-07-10 08:50:02 PM  
"He told me then that I was terminated, he wanted my vest, my badge, and to clean out my locker and that I needed to leave."


it sounds like she's always been a loose cannon, but this time she stepped over the line. How many times did her manager have to tell her the rules yet she insisted on operating by her own code. Well guess what, missy, that code of yours just got you your walking papers. I got the mayor breathing down my neck and reporters camping out on the front steps waiting to crucify me. Not to mention Sara's at her sisters with 3 sick kids and the insurance company is fighting me for the flooded basement. So I suggest you use this opportunity to clear your head, forget about the case, get your sh*t together AND GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY OFFICE NOW BEFORE I PERSONALLY DRAG YOUR ASS TO LOCK-UP!!!
 
2013-07-10 09:02:33 PM  

calbert: "He told me then that I was terminated, he wanted my vest, my badge, and to clean out my locker and that I needed to leave."


it sounds like she's always been a loose cannon, but this time she stepped over the line. How many times did her manager have to tell her the rules yet she insisted on operating by her own code. Well guess what, missy, that code of yours just got you your walking papers. I got the mayor breathing down my neck and reporters camping out on the front steps waiting to crucify me. Not to mention Sara's at her sisters with 3 sick kids and the insurance company is fighting me for the flooded basement. So I suggest you use this opportunity to clear your head, forget about the case, get your sh*t together AND GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY OFFICE NOW BEFORE I PERSONALLY DRAG YOUR ASS TO LOCK-UP!!!


She operates outside of the Wal-Mart law. She patrols the lots and eliminates the criminals that no one wants to face. She is

www.sketchcharlotte.com
 
2013-07-10 09:26:30 PM  
I'd bet good money that her personnel file is/was as thick as a Bible.  I don't care who you are, or what cause you're rallying for, you can't just farking tell your manager you're going to go above their head for anything and expect to keep your job.  Not that it excuses the person with the dog in the car mind you, but in this case, there's a damned good reason she's unemployed, and probably will be for a little while at least.
 
2013-07-10 09:27:08 PM  
They have hot days in Ontario now?
 
2013-07-10 09:30:24 PM  

jaylectricity: They have hot days in Ontario now?


Yep, nearly 22 degrees.
 
2013-07-10 09:31:43 PM  
Meh, more Walmart shoppers should leave themselves in their cars.
 
2013-07-10 09:33:22 PM  

LordOfThePings: jaylectricity: They have hot days in Ontario now?

Yep, nearly 22 degrees.


fark 10 degrees below freezing even this time of year?
 
2013-07-10 09:34:00 PM  
Goddamned busybodies.
 
2013-07-10 09:34:06 PM  
"He pulled up to us and said, 'Hello, ladies, how are you?' And I said, 'You shouldn't leave your dog in the car,'" Cheney said.

"He told me it was none of my business and I said that that was fine, that if I saw him do it again I would just call the police next time. He said he was no longer going to be shopping at that Walmart, and I said, 'OK.'"


If you call the police on someone you might not want to make mention of that fact if they confront you. If she'd have kept her trap shut her manager might never have even found out about it.
 
2013-07-10 09:34:36 PM  
CSB:

Back in 1997 or so on a very hot 95-degree San Diego August afternoon, I noticed a dog panting furiously in a car parked right in front of the Blockbuster where I worked. I paged the store asking for the dog's owner to come forward. He did not. I waited about 5 minutes and I paged again, stating I'd call the cops if the dog wasn't let out in the next 5 minutes. (Please note: this was in an upper middle class neighborhood and our cops took very good care of us.) A guy angrily walked up to the counter and said it was HIS dog, and he could do whatever he wanted to to it! I kindly informed him that the law begs to differ. He stormed out of the store. The other person on duty with me (also another assistant manager) looked at me and said, "Thank you so much for doing that." I did not get fired, and I'm certain I wouldn't have gotten fired if the customer had complained. It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car. fark that asshole. And good for this lady for sticking up for that dog. Next time, she should just call the cops immediately and not say anything to her boss or the customer. Let him find out the hard way that animal neglect is an actual crime.
 
2013-07-10 09:34:47 PM  
Wal-Mart is a truly awful company.  People who shop there should have their heads examined.
 
2013-07-10 09:35:25 PM  

Katolu: Meh, more Walmart shoppers should leave themselves in their cars.


More people should stop shopping at Walmart.
 
2013-07-10 09:35:40 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: She should have sprayed red paint on the dog to advance her cause.


I do that to the neighbor's dogs while shouting "Fur is murder!"
 
2013-07-10 09:36:12 PM  

WordyGrrl: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

If I see a dog in a car, and it doesn't look like it's doing so well,  I'm going to have them page the "owner of the (make, model) vehicle" to come to the front of the store so I can let them know how the dog's doing. Especially if I don't know how long that dog's been in that car. It's  easy for a "just get in, get out" shopping trip to end up lasting longer when you're actually in the store and seeing things you just now realized you need.

Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.


Oh I do take care. For me, too warm is around 75°F. And if I am in the store for more than ten minutes, tops, I will leave and take her home and then come back. Fortunately Pierre is a small town and I don't have to worry about a long drive (from pretty much anywhere). People just don't realize that even with parking in the shade, leaving the windows open AND with water, the air temperature is worse because they're covered in fur.

If I come out and she is too hot I just run to Burger King and get her an ice cream cone. They're 50¢ all summer :P
 
2013-07-10 09:36:41 PM  
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2013-07-10 09:37:53 PM  
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It doesn't even have to be that hot outside to be dangerous.
 
2013-07-10 09:38:07 PM  
Okay, as a dude who was raised in West Virginia, let me say this, 'the Walmart' is where things happen. Big city folk don't get this and to be honest, they don't get much.

I bet there's much more to this story. Was the dog there 5 minutes and some trifling' skank who recognized Cody's old lady's
Mazda and saw a chance to 'set shiat straight' cause Cody took her last monkey bar and Keystone before he went roofing for the day? Was the window actually closed or was it in a fixed position cause the knobs had been broken off and converted into a jury rigged on the go smoking pipe from which the dog got an equal share the whole time?

Don't over think what goes down at walmart, cause you either get it, or ya don't City boy.
 
2013-07-10 09:38:54 PM  
Wear a sign that says: "I WAS FIRED FROM WALMART FOR SAVING A DOG IN A HOT CAR" - see how long that lasts esp. if you walk around Walmarts parking lot.
 
2013-07-10 09:40:22 PM  

WordyGrrl: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

If I see a dog in a car, and it doesn't look like it's doing so well,  I'm going to have them page the "owner of the (make, model) vehicle" to come to the front of the store so I can let them know how the dog's doing. Especially if I don't know how long that dog's been in that car. It's  easy for a "just get in, get out" shopping trip to end up lasting longer when you're actually in the store and seeing things you just now realized you need.

Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.


You'd much nicer than me. I call the police and break the window if the dog appears to be in danger.


/yes it was legal to break a person's window where I lived if an animal appears in distress
 
2013-07-10 09:40:59 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Goddamned busybodies.


Yeah, just like the anti-abortionists trying to get up in a woman's business. Busybodies.
 
2013-07-10 09:41:09 PM  
Around here, the official police advice if you see a child or dog in distress is to smash the window.
 
2013-07-10 09:42:17 PM  

sex0r: Wal-Mart is a truly awful company.  People who shop there should have their heads examined.


But the people who work there are all perfectly sane, right?

Yes, I know you do what you gotta do.   So  do many Walmart shoppers.
 
2013-07-10 09:42:39 PM  
i am a dog owner.  I would trade a job at wal mart for saving the life of a pup left in a car, no doubt about it.
 
2013-07-10 09:44:11 PM  
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This is what we will do to your car after we free your dog!  SNES for those old enough to know.
 
2013-07-10 09:45:46 PM  
why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????
 
2013-07-10 09:48:20 PM  

WTP 2: why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????


Why don't more stores allow pets? They are cleaner and better behaved than most toddlers I see in public.
 
2013-07-10 09:52:45 PM  

WTP 2: why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????


Because he doesn't have a car alarm system.
 
2013-07-10 09:54:51 PM  
If she was on a mission and wanted to continue doing this, she needs a small burner phone and learn how to STFU.

/Normally I would say mind your own business but there is no need to boil pets.
 
2013-07-10 09:55:40 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car


A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.
 
2013-07-10 09:56:53 PM  

Anastacya: of her manager*


You originally typed 'master', didn't you.

Eeejit!
 
2013-07-10 09:58:55 PM  

Carth: Why don't more stores allow pets? They are cleaner and better behaved than most toddlers I see in public.


Big box stores like WalMart, IKEA, Costco and so on sell food for immediate human consumption, and I don't know about your area, but in Alberta, it's illegal to allow non service animals into stores that sell food this way
 
2013-07-10 09:59:04 PM  
I think the employee was wrong this time. The owner can't obviously bring the dog inside the store so he left an opening in the window for the dog. A truly bad owner who doesn't care about his dog wouldn't even think about rolling down the window. That employee is overly sensitive, most likely because she loves dogs a lot. It's not something you call the police for. There are far worse crimes happening around the city and a dog in a car with an open window isn't a reason to call them. No matter where you are, if it's hot in your city, then it's hot wherever you go, even if you leave that dog inside the house.
 
2013-07-10 09:59:26 PM  

Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.


No, the dog was only in the car for about 10 minutes. Using Snapper Carr's chart, that'd make it about 114. Still hot, and I would have definitely called the cops if the guy hadn't walked up, but not quite hot enough to break into the unit.
 
2013-07-10 10:02:04 PM  

the_sidewinder: Carth: Why don't more stores allow pets? They are cleaner and better behaved than most toddlers I see in public.

Big box stores like WalMart, IKEA, Costco and so on sell food for immediate human consumption, and I don't know about your area, but in Alberta, it's illegal to allow non service animals into stores that sell food this way


I know that is the reason but it seems pointless when you consider the number of rats and cockroaches in most restaurants and buildings that serve food. The contamination from leashed dogs is far less concerning than whatever is running around the place when the lights go out.
 
2013-07-10 10:02:18 PM  
I like how "If you see something say something." has turned into "If you see something shut the fark up or else we'll fire you for it." in this world.
 
2013-07-10 10:03:42 PM  

Gene Masseth Jr.: I like how "If you see something say something." has turned into "If you see something shut the fark up or else we'll fire you for it." in this world.


That you, Snowden?
 
2013-07-10 10:04:10 PM  

Anastacya: Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.


We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal. Everyone knows if you're just following orders you're exempt from responsibility for your actions or inaction, both morally and legally.
 
2013-07-10 10:05:05 PM  
If the temperature outside is higher than 70, it's too hot to leave your dog in the car, even if it's "just for a few minutes," even if the windows are cracked. The interior temperature can exceed a safe level in "just a few minutes." Remember, your dog doesn't have sweat glands, his only cooling mechanism is panting.
 
2013-07-10 10:05:13 PM  
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Or clack?

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2013-07-10 10:05:44 PM  
 
2013-07-10 10:05:46 PM  

GreenSun: I think the employee was wrong this time. The owner can't obviously bring the dog inside the store so he left an opening in the window for the dog. A truly bad owner who doesn't care about his dog wouldn't even think about rolling down the window. That employee is overly sensitive, most likely because she loves dogs a lot. It's not something you call the police for. There are far worse crimes happening around the city and a dog in a car with an open window isn't a reason to call them. No matter where you are, if it's hot in your city, then it's hot wherever you go, even if you leave that dog inside the house.


-13/10
 
2013-07-10 10:08:32 PM  

Carth: You'd much nicer than me. I call the police and break the window if the dog appears to be in danger.


Sure you do.
 
2013-07-10 10:08:42 PM  

safetycap: Click

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That first guy is doing it wrong.  I have one of those tools and hitting the center of the window will just get you a rebounding tool.  Aim for about an inch in from the corner, and all you'll need to do is tap.
 
2013-07-10 10:09:24 PM  

titwrench: Gene Masseth Jr.: I like how "If you see something say something." has turned into "If you see something shut the fark up or else we'll fire you for it." in this world.

That you, Snowden?


Dad?
 
2013-07-10 10:10:03 PM  
This woman looks like she escalates situations. She does something. Then she tells them. Then she argues, saying next time she'll call the cops, then argues with the manager, then gets fired, then goes to the press, then probably get five friends to picket the WalMart and eventually gets asked to leave, which turns into tasering and arrest, etc. etc.
 
2013-07-10 10:10:04 PM  

mongbiohazard: Anastacya: Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.

We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal. Everyone knows if you're just following orders you're exempt from responsibility for your actions or inaction, both morally and legally.


He told her to come to him with an issue. She said no, I am going to call the cops and not come to you. How is that exempting her? He never said to not say anything, he simply said to see him first. While I appreciate your lovely sarcastic attempt to say that we should all be drones, telling your boss that you aren't going to report things to him and instead go over his head is generally grounds for firing anywhere.

But hey, we should all be edgy and stand up to our bosses because fark authority, yea!
 
2013-07-10 10:10:26 PM  

mongbiohazard: We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal.


Especially when we're not on the clock and not wearing our work uniforms. God forbid you don't report to your boss when you're not working.

 
2013-07-10 10:11:39 PM  

WTP 2: why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????


Because CPS already took away their (human) kids! Duh!!

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2013-07-10 10:11:55 PM  

jaytkay: Carth: You'd much nicer than me. I call the police and break the window if the dog appears to be in danger.

Sure you do.


It is what the police told us to do. Someone else already posted a link in thread.
 
2013-07-10 10:12:06 PM  
I worked for a couple who was getting ready to divorce. To get back at her soon to be ex husband she locked his dog in her car on a hot day and killed it.

1. When I found out what she did I quit.
2. The dummy did it in her car and the dog did $2000.00 worth of damage to in inside trying to get out. Thanks to the insurance agent when he figured it out they didn't pay. In fact he reported her.

Terrible way to die. I can only hope she gets what's coming to her.

In AZ I see all the time and I'm shock to see it in the middle of summer here. So if you really love your dog LEAVE IT HOME. If not don't be surprised to find the windows broke out and your dog is now my dog and the police waiting for you.
 
2013-07-10 10:13:13 PM  
"He told me then that I was terminated, he wanted my vest, my badge, and to clean out my locker and that I needed to leave."

Walmart employees haven't worn vests in at least five years.
 
2013-07-10 10:14:26 PM  

LV426: [sad stuff]


That is a horrifying story.
 
2013-07-10 10:14:55 PM  

Anastacya: telling your boss that you aren't going to report things to him and instead go over his head is generally grounds for firing anywhere.


Even when you're not working?
 
2013-07-10 10:16:00 PM  
I am owned by two rotten little ankle biters who aren't even technically mine.  I have a sunroof, so yeah it may be feasible if I leave that and the windows cracked, but I'd never take one or the both of them to Wal-Mart or anywhere else in my car where they do not have either constant airflow or AC, too darned hot.  One would probably croak due to age, the other one would probably get heatstroke at the least, even at 10-15 mins.  With temps close to 100 degrees and even with a white car, no way I'll do it.  Same thing when I had my Labs, they got to ride along in the breeze/AC and come out and sit on the sidewalk in the shade while I did my business or stayed home out of the monstrous heat.  Pity the ankle biters don't know the meaning of the word stay otherwise they'd get out a lot more in the summer for errand running. Gal shouldn't have lost her job, she did what was right.  Dogs do not have the capacity to sweat, so even a few minutes in extreme heat is bad news for them.  That, and wearing a fur coat year round.
 
2013-07-10 10:18:59 PM  

Wall_of_Doodoo: Okay, as a dude who was raised in West Virginia, let me say this, 'the Walmart' is where things happen. Big city folk don't get this and to be honest, they don't get much.

I bet there's much more to this story. Was the dog there 5 minutes and some trifling' skank who recognized Cody's old lady's
Mazda and saw a chance to 'set shiat straight' cause Cody took her last monkey bar and Keystone before he went roofing for the day? Was the window actually closed or was it in a fixed position cause the knobs had been broken off and converted into a jury rigged on the go smoking pipe from which the dog got an equal share the whole time?

Don't over think what goes down at walmart, cause you either get it, or ya don't City boy.


theinfosphere.org

I know it's scary up there in that witness box but, t'ain't no need to fear me...BUCKAWK! I'm sorry. I thought you was corn.
 
2013-07-10 10:19:20 PM  

RatMaster999: safetycap: Click

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Or clack?

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That first guy is doing it wrong.  I have one of those tools and hitting the center of the window will just get you a rebounding tool.  Aim for about an inch in from the corner, and all you'll need to do is tap.



You could totally teach a class. I know I'd sign up!
 
2013-07-10 10:19:30 PM  

Malacon: mongbiohazard: We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal.

Especially when we're not on the clock and not wearing our work uniforms. God forbid you don't report to your boss when you're not working.


She should have just called the cops and not confronted him at all and not tried to make a big scene. Seems like she wanted everybody to see her as a huge hero.
 
2013-07-10 10:20:33 PM  

Anastacya: mongbiohazard: Anastacya: Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.

We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal. Everyone knows if you're just following orders you're exempt from responsibility for your actions or inaction, both morally and legally.

He told her to come to him with an issue. She said no, I am going to call the cops and not come to you. How is that exempting her? He never said to not say anything, he simply said to see him first. While I appreciate your lovely sarcastic attempt to say that we should all be drones, telling your boss that you aren't going to report things to him and instead go over his head is generally grounds for firing anywhere.

But hey, we should all be edgy and stand up to our bosses because fark authority, yea!


If your boss is being a dumbass because he cares more for the corporation than the life of an innocent animal, hell yes, we should stand up to them.

"I was just following orders" or "I'm just doing my job" is never anything but a lame-ass excuse.

Besides, she wasn't even on the clock so she was outside the authority of the manager at that time.
 
2013-07-10 10:21:03 PM  

Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.


A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees if parked in the sun. I'm talking less than 15 minutes. DO NOT leave your dog in a car if it's over 70 degrees outside. If you get delayed, and someone doesn't come along and get the dog out, you could come back to a dead or dying dog.
 
2013-07-10 10:21:15 PM  

Carth: jaytkay: Carth: You'd much nicer than me. I call the police and break the window if the dog appears to be in danger.

Sure you do.

It is what the police told us to do. Someone else already posted a link in thread.


There's a link about all the car windows you break? That sounds interesting. Please share.
 
2013-07-10 10:21:34 PM  

Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.


Your dog can't tell you if it's too hot for them. Take your dog to the McDonald's drive thru and taunt her with the smell of french fries. Or take her past a Krispy Kreme on a little sight-seeing drive. But please don't put your dog into cardiac arrest or heat stroke or whatever. Because someday you'll think it's just right and she'll think JEEZUS CHRIST IT'S HOTTER THAN HELL IN HERE!!1!

Sorry. I live in Arizona. I almost died hiking in the middle of Phoenix one day. And I've lived here all my life. You just slip up once in a while and it can kill you very quickly.

The worst story I heard of was a free-lance writer who was investigating  the story of someone who died of exposure pretty much in the middle of Phoenix. The writer ended up dying of exposure in the same spot.

Then there were the 4 Canadians (I think) who just knew where the Lost Dutchman's mine was. They found the last body in the Superstitions several months later.
 
2013-07-10 10:22:47 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.

No, the dog was only in the car for about 10 minutes. Using Snapper Carr's chart, that'd make it about 114. Still hot, and I would have definitely called the cops if the guy hadn't walked up, but not quite hot enough to break into the unit.


I wouldn't exactly call that chart super accurate, especially for short time frames.  It presumes that the interior starts at the same temperature as outside.  Maybe true, but if it's hot, there's a very good chance that the AC was running on the trip to the store, so interior temps are likely to start out much lower than ambient outdoor temps.  I'm also going to assume that the chart is based on a car sitting in the sun with the windows rolled up.  If it's cloudy outside and/or the car is parked in shade, that will make a significant difference in the short term.  And finally, if the windows happen to be open (even a little), excess heat can dissipate.

I'm not condoning leaving a dog or child in a car like this, and I'm not passing judgement as to whether the employee was right or wrong for her actions, but I'm pointing out that the chart could deviate pretty significantly from real world situations.

I know that one time I was on a road trip with my dog.  I had to make a stop at the store to run in for something and knew it was only going to be 5 to 10 minutes, tops.  I had the AC cranked up full blast for quite awhile before stopping, parked in the shade of a tree and cracked the window.  When I came out, there was commando Jane ready to lecture me about leaving my dog in a hot car.  Of course, I made sure to point out the blast of cool air coming from inside the car when I opened my door.  It was far cooler inside than out because I'd prepared for my quick sprint into the store.
 
2013-07-10 10:24:13 PM  

LV426: I worked for a couple who was getting ready to divorce. To get back at her soon to be ex husband she locked his dog in her car on a hot day and killed it.

1. When I found out what she did I quit.
2. The dummy did it in her car and the dog did $2000.00 worth of damage to in inside trying to get out. Thanks to the insurance agent when he figured it out they didn't pay. In fact he reported her.

Terrible way to die. I can only hope she gets what's coming to her.

In AZ I see all the time and I'm shock to see it in the middle of summer here. So if you really love your dog LEAVE IT HOME. If not don't be surprised to find the windows broke out and your dog is now my dog and the police waiting for you.


Whatta f*cking coont. People suck, esp. those who leave their dogs in a hot car and asshole bosses who fire those who do the right thing. And if you defend these people, YOU suck too.

Good for this ex-Walmart worker. Hope she finds new employment soon.
 
2013-07-10 10:25:10 PM  

safetycap: You could totally teach a class. I know I'd sign up!


1:00 is pure gold.
 
2013-07-10 10:26:08 PM  
Well that is what you get for being uppity and not just followink orders.
 
2013-07-10 10:26:48 PM  
I have a friend who has one of those cool valet features where he can leave the car running (AC and all) and the doggies just hang out in cool comfort.  If anyone tried to steal the car - it stalls the second you hit the brake to put it in gear.  Neat feature.
 
2013-07-10 10:27:08 PM  

calbert: "He told me then that I was terminated, he wanted my vest, my badge, and to clean out my locker and that I needed to leave."


it sounds like she's always been a loose cannon, but this time she stepped over the line. How many times did her manager have to tell her the rules yet she insisted on operating by her own code. Well guess what, missy, that code of yours just got you your walking papers. I got the mayor breathing down my neck and reporters camping out on the front steps waiting to crucify me. Not to mention Sara's at her sisters with 3 sick kids and the insurance company is fighting me for the flooded basement. So I suggest you use this opportunity to clear your head, forget about the case, get your sh*t together AND GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY OFFICE NOW BEFORE I PERSONALLY DRAG YOUR ASS TO LOCK-UP!!!


Mayor Vaughn: Fellows, let's be reasonable, huh? This is not the time or the place to perform some kind of a half-assed autopsy on a fish... And I'm not going to stand here and see that thing cut open and see that little Kintner boy spill out all over the dock.
 
2013-07-10 10:27:23 PM  
In Ontario it is a crime to leave a dog in the vehicle with the windows up. The manager previously said there's nothing they could do which is a lie. The manager will be fired and the lady will have her job back in less than a week.
 
2013-07-10 10:29:41 PM  

SlothB77: i am a dog owner.  I would trade a job at wal mart for saving the life of a pup left in a car, no doubt about it.


Me too! In a heartbeat. Although honestly if I was working at Walmart it wouldnt take much for me to risk getting fired....
 
2013-07-10 10:32:59 PM  

Grimble Crumble: "He told me then that I was terminated, he wanted my vest, my badge, and to clean out my locker and that I needed to leave."

Walmart employees haven't worn vests in at least five years.


?  The ones I see wear vests.   And this one's in Canada, anyhow.
 
2013-07-10 10:33:39 PM  

GreenSun: I think the employee was wrong this time. The owner can't obviously bring the dog inside the store so he left an opening in the window for the dog. A truly bad owner who doesn't care about his dog wouldn't even think about rolling down the window. That employee is overly sensitive, most likely because she loves dogs a lot. It's not something you call the police for. There are far worse crimes happening around the city and a dog in a car with an open window isn't a reason to call them. No matter where you are, if it's hot in your city, then it's hot wherever you go, even if you leave that dog inside the house.


You know how I know you're either an idiot or a troll?
 
2013-07-10 10:34:56 PM  
She's kinda the Canadian Walmart version of George Zimmerman
 
2013-07-10 10:35:04 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.

No, the dog was only in the car for about 10 minutes. Using Snapper Carr's chart, that'd make it about 114. Still hot, and I would have definitely called the cops if the guy hadn't walked up, but not quite hot enough to break into the unit.


114 can kill a dog very quickly. I'd break the window if the dog was in obvious distress.
 
2013-07-10 10:35:42 PM  
She said she told him her side of the story about the dog in the truck and that he told her to come to him with any problems in the future.

Cheney said she wouldn't do that.

"So I [told him] if I did see something unsafe, that I would just go to the police if I thought it was necessary," Cheney said.


Refuse to follow instructions, threaten supervisor.

Yep, dumb biatch quit her job.
 
2013-07-10 10:37:12 PM  

Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.


I've used a station wagon parked in full sun on a hot day to sterilize bedding and clothes while fighting a bedbug infestation. It works well.
 
2013-07-10 10:38:02 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Mike Chewbacca: Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.

No, the dog was only in the car for about 10 minutes. Using Snapper Carr's chart, that'd make it about 114. Still hot, and I would have definitely called the cops if the guy hadn't walked up, but not quite hot enough to break into the unit.

114 can kill a dog very quickly. I'd break the window if the dog was in obvious distress.


It wasn't. Believe me, I was watching very closely. It was right in front of the store by our big glass doors. I had my eye on that pup.
 
2013-07-10 10:38:49 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees if parked in the sun. I'm talking less than 15 minutes. DO NOT leave your dog in a car if it's over 70 degrees outside. If you get delayed, and someone doesn't come along and get the dog out, you could come back to a dead or dying dog.


Ok, I can see this in Miami, Los Angeles, San Diego, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, etc.  You've got to realize that this person is a dog lover and wanted to take the dog on an adventure.  And this adventure occurred in Canada.  That place is not similar to the heat index than somewhere like Las Vegas.
 
2013-07-10 10:39:54 PM  
It also depends on the type of dog as well.

I have a male 80lb Boxer and a female 120lb Neo Mastiff/Boxer Cross.  Come summer time and the Boxer grinds to a halt.  Because of his shorter face he can't breath as well, meaning he can't cool down as efficiently in the heat.  THe mastiff is fine with pretty much all temperatures.

That said I wouldn't leave them unattended in a car in the summer time.  That said, a week ago I had to stop off somewhere while I was driving them, I just left the car running with the AC cranked up, sure it doesn't make me Enviro-king of the year but at least they were safe for the 5 minutes I was gone.

And this winter when I was having battery problems with my car I would start it at home with battery charger, then drive to the store with them in it and then leave the motor running while I did my errands.*  I don't feel too too bad about it though because everyone around here leaves their car/truck running in the winter.  When the temperature reaches -40, plus the wind chill, you never know just how likely your car is to start again.

*/Don't even bother locking it because they're not really inclined to place nice with strangers.
 
2013-07-10 10:43:27 PM  

ski9600: RealFarknMcCoy2: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees if parked in the sun. I'm talking less than 15 minutes. DO NOT leave your dog in a car if it's over 70 degrees outside. If you get delayed, and someone doesn't come along and get the dog out, you could come back to a dead or dying dog.

Ok, I can see this in Miami, Los Angeles, San Diego, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, etc.  You've got to realize that this person is a dog lover and wanted to take the dog on an adventure.  And this adventure occurred in Canada.  That place is not similar to the heat index than somewhere like Las Vegas.


The internets say it was about 80 degrees last week in Kemptville, Ontario.
 
2013-07-10 10:43:33 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees if parked in the sun. I'm talking less than 15 minutes. DO NOT leave your dog in a car if it's over 70 degrees outside. If you get delayed, and someone doesn't come along and get the dog out, you could come back to a dead or dying dog.


THIS. And thank you for the PSA.  I don't take my tiny terrors out with me when it hits over around 65 or so (in car thermometer is awesome for external and internal temp, btw), but below about 45 and then they're shivering.  Ankle biting, short haired dogs.  But cute. Somehow, very cute. And no, I don't put them in sweaters in the winter, they just pee really, really fast and come back in quickly, have to check the pawpaws for frostbite in the super cold months, tho :)
 
2013-07-10 10:46:03 PM  

ski9600: RealFarknMcCoy2: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees if parked in the sun. I'm talking less than 15 minutes. DO NOT leave your dog in a car if it's over 70 degrees outside. If you get delayed, and someone doesn't come along and get the dog out, you could come back to a dead or dying dog.

Ok, I can see this in Miami, Los Angeles, San Diego, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, etc.  You've got to realize that this person is a dog lover and wanted to take the dog on an adventure.  And this adventure occurred in Canada.  That place is not similar to the heat index than somewhere like Las Vegas.


I live in the area.  It's been farking hot and humid these past few weeks.  A week ago a toddler died in a hot car - it's been all over the news.  Good for the employee.
 
2013-07-10 10:47:43 PM  

ski9600: calbert: "He told me then that I was terminated, he wanted my vest, my badge, and to clean out my locker and that I needed to leave."


it sounds like she's always been a loose cannon, but this time she stepped over the line. How many times did her manager have to tell her the rules yet she insisted on operating by her own code. Well guess what, missy, that code of yours just got you your walking papers. I got the mayor breathing down my neck and reporters camping out on the front steps waiting to crucify me. Not to mention Sara's at her sisters with 3 sick kids and the insurance company is fighting me for the flooded basement. So I suggest you use this opportunity to clear your head, forget about the case, get your sh*t together AND GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY OFFICE NOW BEFORE I PERSONALLY DRAG YOUR ASS TO LOCK-UP!!!

Mayor Vaughn: Fellows, let's be reasonable, huh? This is not the time or the place to perform some kind of a half-assed autopsy on a fish... And I'm not going to stand here and see that thing cut open and see that little Kintner boy spill out all over the dock.


"You yell barracuda, everybody says, "Huh? What?"
 
2013-07-10 10:48:19 PM  

Hagbardr: Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.

I've used a station wagon parked in full sun on a hot day to sterilize bedding and clothes while fighting a bedbug infestation. It works well.


I''m not zactly sure that's the kind of story you share to impress people
 
2013-07-10 10:48:32 PM  
I love all the people in this thread who would just keep their head down and follow the bosses orders. You would have made great guards at Auschwitz..
 
2013-07-10 10:51:06 PM  

GregoryD: I love all the people in this thread who would just keep their head down and follow the bosses orders. You would have made great guards at Auschwitz..


Jokes about the holocaust aren't funny, my grandpa died at Auschwitz...... He fell out of the Guard tower.
 
2013-07-10 10:54:46 PM  
FriarReb98:.. you can't just farking tell your manager you're going to go above their head for anything and expect to keep your job.

Above the managers head? The manager is not part of the chain of command between a citizen and law enforcement, even if that citizen is an employee.
 
2013-07-10 10:57:22 PM  

Omahawg: [d28mt5n9lkji5m.cloudfront.net image 631x503]


That makes two of us.
 
2013-07-10 10:59:24 PM  
So was she fired for doing that when she was off the clock? Or was she fired for being a total biatch to a manager?
 
2013-07-10 11:00:23 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Hagbardr: Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.

I've used a station wagon parked in full sun on a hot day to sterilize bedding and clothes while fighting a bedbug infestation. It works well.

I''m not zactly sure that's the kind of story you share to impress people


I live in a townhouse. If the neighbors get bedbugs, I get them too. I was successful in killing them off but lost a lot of sleep for weeks. Those farkers just laugh at you if you use the pyrethrin sprays and bombs. I ended up using shiatloads of caulk, rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle, and Alpine Dust to get rid of them.
 
2013-07-10 11:01:02 PM  

jeremie: FriarReb98:.. you can't just farking tell your manager you're going to go above their head for anything and expect to keep your job.

Above the managers head? The manager is not part of the chain of command between a citizen and law enforcement, even if that citizen is an employee.


Yeah, that odd viewpoint jumped out at me too.
 
2013-07-10 11:02:18 PM  

Hagbardr: I ended up using shiatloads of caulk,


Say it out loud. Yikes.
 
2013-07-10 11:03:03 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees if parked in the sun.


I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on that.
 
2013-07-10 11:03:43 PM  
The hotter it gets the more my cats want to go outside and sleep. I dread the month or so of 100° temps in Texas with all the complaining why they can't join the ferals outside.

Everything is relative. When it's 22° C or about 72°F in Ontario as a high, my girl friend would reach for a sweater.

I got laughed at in Waco for asking if a colleague kept his horse sheltered when the temp was over 100 °.  I was used to horses in Colorado where 70° is a warm day.
 
2013-07-10 11:04:52 PM  

WTP 2: why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????


...
Some of us have dogs that -love- cars, even if its a 7min trip to the bank & they don't get out.

If I just open my car door, my dog will leap in on the off-chance I might be willing to take him somewhere.

/he always mopes when I leave him behind & he does not like the words 'its too hot'
//on the other hand, its never too cold for him so he has plenty other months of the year for rides
 
2013-07-10 11:05:55 PM  
 
2013-07-10 11:07:08 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees if parked in the sun.

I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on that.


So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.
 
2013-07-10 11:08:16 PM  

BitwiseShift: The hotter it gets the more my cats want to go outside and sleep. I dread the month or so of 100° temps in Texas with all the complaining why they can't join the ferals outside.

Everything is relative. When it's 22° C or about 72°F in Ontario as a high, my girl friend would reach for a sweater.

I got laughed at in Waco for asking if a colleague kept his horse sheltered when the temp was over 100 °.  I was used to horses in Colorado where 70° is a warm day.


45 degrees and lower, I ditch shorts and I put pants on. 35 degrees and lower? I might take a light jacket...
 
2013-07-10 11:10:04 PM  

Hagbardr: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Hagbardr: Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.

I've used a station wagon parked in full sun on a hot day to sterilize bedding and clothes while fighting a bedbug infestation. It works well.

I''m not zactly sure that's the kind of story you share to impress people

I live in a townhouse. If the neighbors get bedbugs, I get them too. I was successful in killing them off but lost a lot of sleep for weeks. Those farkers just laugh at you if you use the pyrethrin sprays and bombs. I ended up using shiatloads of caulk, rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle, and Alpine Dust to get rid of them.


I've seen a few horror shows documentaries about bedbugs in America. You can have done nothing wrong and still have a bedbug infestation.
 
2013-07-10 11:11:55 PM  

Oldiron_79: GregoryD: I love all the people in this thread who would just keep their head down and follow the bosses orders. You would have made great guards at Auschwitz..

Jokes about the holocaust aren't funny, my grandpa died at Auschwitz...... He fell out of the Guard tower.


Good way to go... he could have been beaten to death by emaciated jews. He was lucky.
 
2013-07-10 11:13:27 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Hagbardr: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Hagbardr: Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.

I've used a station wagon parked in full sun on a hot day to sterilize bedding and clothes while fighting a bedbug infestation. It works well.

I''m not zactly sure that's the kind of story you share to impress people

I live in a townhouse. If the neighbors get bedbugs, I get them too. I was successful in killing them off but lost a lot of sleep for weeks. Those farkers just laugh at you if you use the pyrethrin sprays and bombs. I ended up using shiatloads of caulk, rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle, and Alpine Dust to get rid of them.

I've seen a few horror shows documentaries about bedbugs in America. You can have done nothing wrong and still have a bedbug infestation.


Or get raped, I hear.
 
2013-07-10 11:17:28 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.


How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?
 
2013-07-10 11:19:54 PM  
I'm gonna need your vest and your badge.
images.rottentomatoes.com
 
2013-07-10 11:21:19 PM  
Use your smart phone to record the animal locked in a hot vehicle to document the inhumane treatment of the animal. Call 911 and report it and tell them you are going to rescue the animal by breaking the window. When the owner shows up or the cops and give you a hassle over it, you've saved an animal's life and documented the offense. Provide the video footage to local media outlets that shows the vehicle, the license plate and a wide shot of the car with the animal in distress.

When the cops come charge the animal owner with cruelty to animals.

I just learned that you can bring your service animal inside with you and the business is by law forbidden to ask any questions about your service animal or your condition. If they do, they just broke the law and can be sued.

Animals have rights people. It's up to us to step in and help them.
 
2013-07-10 11:22:17 PM  
I had the "over-under" for someone to ignore the issue at hand and bash Wal-Mart in general at "under 15,"  the actual number was 17...almost impressed Fark, almost.

IMO, it sucks that this young lady lost her job for doing the right thing.  The manager and the company are very, very wrong in this instance.

Hopefully someone will see this story and offer this young lady a job...
 
2013-07-10 11:26:22 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?


No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??
 
2013-07-10 11:26:45 PM  
If I have my lab with me, I just leave the car running with the air conditioner on full blast. I can remove my key from the ignition with it still running and lock the doors. Of course, I dont take my dog with me when I go grocery shopping. Errands, yes. Groceries, no.
 
2013-07-10 11:29:00 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Use your smart phone to record the animal locked in a hot vehicle to document the inhumane treatment of the animal. Call 911 and report it and tell them you are going to rescue the animal by breaking the window. When the owner shows up or the cops and give you a hassle over it, you've saved an animal's life and documented the offense. Provide the video footage to local media outlets that shows the vehicle, the license plate and a wide shot of the car with the animal in distress.

When the cops come charge the animal owner with cruelty to animals.

I just learned that you can bring your service animal inside with you and the business is by law forbidden to ask any questions about your service animal or your condition. If they do, they just broke the law and can be sued.

Animals have rights people. It's up to us to step in and help them.


You''re not suggesting that people lie about a service animal for their convenience, are you?
 
2013-07-10 11:30:27 PM  
 
2013-07-10 11:32:40 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??


The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?
 
2013-07-10 11:34:42 PM  

safetycap: RatMaster999: safetycap: Click

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

Or clack?

[i.imgur.com image 342x282]

That first guy is doing it wrong.  I have one of those tools and hitting the center of the window will just get you a rebounding tool.  Aim for about an inch in from the corner, and all you'll need to do is tap.


You could totally teach a class. I know I'd sign up!


That was awesome, thanks.
 
2013-07-10 11:40:42 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??

The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?


You leave your car with the windows rolled all the way down? And your pet stays inside?? Or you just don't have a pet at all, and are talking out of your arse?
 
2013-07-10 11:41:14 PM  

RatMaster999: safetycap: RatMaster999: safetycap: Click

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

Or clack?

[i.imgur.com image 342x282]

That first guy is doing it wrong.  I have one of those tools and hitting the center of the window will just get you a rebounding tool.  Aim for about an inch in from the corner, and all you'll need to do is tap.


You could totally teach a class. I know I'd sign up!

That was awesome, thanks.


IMO... this is a much better window breaking tool. Compact... really easy to use (just push)... and the cost 3 bucks. I keep one in the door panel on my truck in case I ever drive into a river... or off a pier.

media-dl.chimein.com

Doesn't have the cool seat belt cutter and stuff though.
 
2013-07-10 11:42:48 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: yagottabefarkinkiddinme:

You''re not suggesting that people lie about a service animal for their convenience, are you?


Yes, yes I am. Your service dog could be just for helping you remember to be nice to other people...to wake up on time if at a hotel, anything. Including companionship. They are never allowed to ask, and by law can be sued into the Stone Age.
 
2013-07-10 11:43:22 PM  

GregoryD: 45 degrees and lower, I ditch shorts and I put pants on. 35 degrees and lower? I might take a light jacket..


Except for long pants once a week (some dress code), I believe Texas goes below 80° sometime in November for a test, then really dips below 80° in February so almost naked people going to Carnivale need a coat, and then warms up in March.

When the 5 star hotel staff and the Mercedes service writers all wear shorts and the work place policy is shorts at 85-90° it's all good.
I do put ice cubes in the feral cats' water. In fact, if that Walmart girl had just offered to bring the dog a nice cold beer, I'm sure all that unpleasantness would have been avoided. Something other than LaBatts or Molson.
 
2013-07-10 11:44:47 PM  

Katolu: AverageAmericanGuy: Goddamned busybodies.

Yeah, just like the anti-abortionists trying to get up in a woman's business. Busybodies.


Yeah because stopping someone from murdering their child is the equivalent to a dog in hot car? Sicko.
 
2013-07-10 11:46:59 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??


I don't think you actually understand the physics of car heat, or physics at all.
 
2013-07-10 11:52:05 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??

The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?

You leave your car with the windows rolled all the way down? And your pet stays inside?? Or you just don't have a pet at all, and are talking out of your arse?


RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??

The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?

You leave your car with the windows rolled all the way down? And your pet stays inside?? Or you just don't have a pet at all, and are talking out of your arse?


Don't get all shiatty with me because of what you said.

RealFarknMcCoy2: A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees


And yes... my dogs would not jump out of the car with the windows rolled down.. because I actually took the time to train them. Even the Border Collie who was capable of jumping in and out of the window of my lifted farm truck.

If you "meant" windows 'cracked' or 'partially rolled down'... I got no argument with that... but that's not what you said... which prompted my original response to you.
 
2013-07-10 11:52:56 PM  
Holy Hell... preview dude... preview. What a mess.
 
2013-07-11 12:01:09 AM  

Anastacya: mongbiohazard: Anastacya: Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.

We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal. Everyone knows if you're just following orders you're exempt from responsibility for your actions or inaction, both morally and legally.

He told her to come to him with an issue. She said no, I am going to call the cops and not come to you. How is that exempting her? He never said to not say anything, he simply said to see him first. While I appreciate your lovely sarcastic attempt to say that we should all be drones, telling your boss that you aren't going to report things to him and instead go over his head is generally grounds for firing anywhere.

But hey, we should all be edgy and stand up to our bosses because fark authority, yea!


Yeah, I really hate to side with the employer on this one--especially since it's Walmart. But the circumstances are not on the employee's side here.

1. She saw a situation when she was NOT on the clock and not in uniform (and therefore not technically an employee). She called the cops who did whatever it is they do. OK, fine.
2. Then AFTER that, she made sure to escalate the situation (by telling the guy if he did it again, she'd be sure to call the cops); although apparently she is now in uniform and thus representing Walmart.
3. THEN she told her manager about the situation (probably because Douchebag Dogkiller complained) making sure to say she would disregard his instructions to let him handle it next time and she'd call the cops, thus further escalating the situation.

This isn't about the dog, or her "confronting the customer" about it. It's about her being unable to leave well enough alone but having to jump up and down and let everyone know "Hey! I'm gonna call the cops! If there's a dog in the car I'm calling the cops!" Maybe the manager would--who knows? But that's not good enough for her, apparently. I bet she's just a joy to work with.
 
2013-07-11 12:09:23 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: BarkingUnicorn: yagottabefarkinkiddinme:

You''re not suggesting that people lie about a service animal for their convenience, are you?

Yes, yes I am. Your service dog could be just for helping you remember to be nice to other people...to wake up on time if at a hotel, anything. Including companionship. They are never allowed to ask, and by law can be sued into the Stone Age.


Yup, that is a problem.  "Papers, please," is the solution.
 
2013-07-11 12:12:07 AM  
Ok...couple of things... The girl did the right thing, she called the cops. If her manager said there was nothing they could do, he's an idiot, what was going on was ILLEGAL! Not even gonna mention she was off the farking clock (oops, just mentioned it). If she needs a job after this, I say go apply at a vet's office, and mention why you were fired from Wally world. I've called the cops on ppl for doing this be for while on the clock working guest services in a retail store. Having seen dogs in cars with windows "cracked" , while out shopping I've dumped ice water in for the dogs while waiting for the cops to show up. Finally, my dog knew the stay command, if she went with me anywhere anytime and I left her in the car the windows stayed down, not just cracked.
 
2013-07-11 12:21:17 AM  
 
2013-07-11 12:23:51 AM  
To all the dog owners who (can) leave their windows rolled all the way down because their dogs are so well trained-

Doesn't that create a problem when someone says "oooh doggie" and proceeds to try to pet them?

I see liability concerns (dog bites dipshiat) beyond the "hot vehicle" issue

//that is all
 
2013-07-11 12:26:50 AM  
also; (dog bites dipshiat) should apply in or out of vehicle (dipshiat can always say dog jumped out of vehicle (if told there is no liability if he reached into vehicle)
 
2013-07-11 12:33:09 AM  

Bung_Howdy: To all the dog owners who (can) leave their windows rolled all the way down because their dogs are so well trained-

Doesn't that create a problem when someone says "oooh doggie" and proceeds to try to pet them?

I see liability concerns (dog bites dipshiat) beyond the "hot vehicle" issue

//that is all


I should have said she knew "down/stay" and she was not protective of the car if I wasn't in it. Saw her go for a guy who was directing traffic once, and anybody stupid enough to continue to reach into the car imo is trespassing/trying to steal my car/radio. She would not leave the car to bite tho.
 
2013-07-11 12:33:39 AM  

Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.


It only takes a few minutes for a car to heat up to a dangerous level, so that 5 minute trip into the store is too long.
 
2013-07-11 12:34:57 AM  

Bung_Howdy: To all the dog owners who (can) leave their windows rolled all the way down because their dogs are so well trained-

Doesn't that create a problem when someone says "oooh doggie" and proceeds to try to pet them?

I see liability concerns (dog bites dipshiat) beyond the "hot vehicle" issue

//that is all


Really?
"Your dog bit me... I'm suing you!"
"Why did you stick your hand in my car?"
"I didn't. I was walking by and minding my own business when your dog jumped out of the car, ran over to me, jumped up, bit me on my hand, ran back to the car, jumped through the window and then dribbled my blood from his mouth on the door."
"ORLY?"

If the liability of this concerns you... you should not own a dog.
 
2013-07-11 12:44:15 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Bung_Howdy: To all the dog owners who (can) leave their windows rolled all the way down because their dogs are so well trained-

Doesn't that create a problem when someone says "oooh doggie" and proceeds to try to pet them?

I see liability concerns (dog bites dipshiat) beyond the "hot vehicle" issue

//that is all

Really?
"Your dog bit me... I'm suing you!"
"Why did you stick your hand in my car?"
"I didn't. I was walking by and minding my own business when your dog jumped out of the car, ran over to me, jumped up, bit me on my hand, ran back to the car, jumped through the window and then dribbled my blood from his mouth on the door."
"ORLY?"

If the liability of this concerns you... you should not own a dog.


Lmao!! I suppose that could happen, however...i had a friend with a Doberman who got ahold of a guy trying to steal the radio out of my friends motor home, 114 stitches later and I'd be willing to bet the guy learned his lesson. Friend was an ex-prison guard with tons of cop friends, never lost a minute of sleep over liability.
 
2013-07-11 12:45:18 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I just learned that you can bring your service animal inside with you and the business is by law forbidden to ask any questions about your service animal or your condition. If they do, they just broke the law and can be sued.


That privilege is being abused big time.  A friend of mine works for animal services in Los Angels and trains service animals.  She sees fake service animals on a regular basis.  For example, some drunk on the bus with his dog he claims is a service animal.  It's a very aggressive pit bull and he had not been fixed.  All service animals are spayed or neutered.  The bus driver couldn't do a damn thing about it because, as you mention, the law says he can't any question.

The change in the law wouldn't be that hard.  Require some kind of specialty tag on the collar of the service animal.  Yes, those can (and will) be counterfeited, but not as easily as the fake documentation people just download from the internet and print at home.
 
2013-07-11 12:52:32 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: "Wal-Mart manager is uncomfortable with the potential liability of having one of his employees policing the parking lot for dogs left in cars. Instructs employee to bring the information directly to management should it ever happen again. Employee refuses and leaves manager no other recourse than to fire her."

Ahhhh yes... accuracy.


She said she brought it to management on a previous occasion and they said they wouldn't do anything about it. So I think it's more likely they don't want to lose a customer than it is about any liability issue.
 
2013-07-11 01:04:51 AM  

haolegirl: a Doberman who got ahold of a guy trying to steal the radio out of my friends motor home, 114 stitches later and I'd be willing to bet the guy learned his lesson


Man... I love instant justice.

CSB (that nobody cares about):

Came home one night pretty late and startled my rescue Great Dane/Mastiff out of a sound sleep (hadn't had him that long and found later he didn't hear real well). He came after me from flopped on his bed to full speed in about 3 seconds. I would swear he realized it was me midair as the expression on his face changed. He still hit me pretty hard and knocked me back into the door.

I never bothered to lock my doors again.

/I miss that dog.
//And if you must know... I pissed myself a little when that happened.
 
2013-07-11 01:05:58 AM  

haolegirl: Pray 4 Mojo: Bung_Howdy: To all the dog owners who (can) leave their windows rolled all the way down because their dogs are so well trained-

Doesn't that create a problem when someone says "oooh doggie" and proceeds to try to pet them?

I see liability concerns (dog bites dipshiat) beyond the "hot vehicle" issue

//that is all

Really?
"Your dog bit me... I'm suing you!"
"Why did you stick your hand in my car?"
"I didn't. I was walking by and minding my own business when your dog jumped out of the car, ran over to me, jumped up, bit me on my hand, ran back to the car, jumped through the window and then dribbled my blood from his mouth on the door."
"ORLY?"

If the liability of this concerns you... you should not own a dog.

Lmao!! I suppose that could happen, however...i had a friend with a Doberman who got ahold of a guy trying to steal the radio out of my friends motor home, 114 stitches later and I'd be willing to bet the guy learned his lesson. Friend was an ex-prison guard with tons of cop friends, never lost a minute of sleep over liability.


LOVE all animals. Had many a (well trained dog) over the years with no issues (heat or otherwise)

BUT in today's litigious society, I worry about damn near everything. Just playing devils advocate. Not a far stretch to claim a dog jumped out of fully open vehicle window and bit someone (even if it went down differently). I'll bet the azzhole would win, too... I would have felt uncomfortable ever leaving (even my well trained) dogs with fully rolled down windows. Too many random variables (sirens, loud noises startling them, animals passing by, fatties with food, dipshiats who want to pet animals in cars, etc.)

/used to have the luxury of a lawyer on retainer
 
2013-07-11 01:09:29 AM  

beakerxf: Pray 4 Mojo: "Wal-Mart manager is uncomfortable with the potential liability of having one of his employees policing the parking lot for dogs left in cars. Instructs employee to bring the information directly to management should it ever happen again. Employee refuses and leaves manager no other recourse than to fire her."

Ahhhh yes... accuracy.

She said she brought it to management on a previous occasion and they said they wouldn't do anything about it. So I think it's more likely they don't want to lose a customer than it is about any liability issue.


That's the problem there.

There's a way to handle things when you need to escalate problems with your superiors. Telling them "Fark off. I'll do it anyway" is a good way to handle yourself out of a job.
 
2013-07-11 01:11:36 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Around here, the official police advice if you see a child or dog in distress is to smash the window.



Can it be their windshield?
 
2013-07-11 01:13:31 AM  
Sadly, I just plain don't take my dog on car rides for fear that some busybody superhero type will shatter my car window while I'm running into the gas station for a drink or something.. I understand the dangers, I've spent longer than some of these charts in hot cars myself. I think it's being blown out of proportion a bit.
 
2013-07-11 01:14:26 AM  

Bung_Howdy: BUT in today's litigious society, I worry about damn near everything. Just playing devils advocate. Not a far stretch to claim a dog jumped out of fully open vehicle window and bit someone (even if it went down differently). I'll bet the azzhole would win, too... I would have felt uncomfortable ever leaving (even my well trained) dogs with fully rolled down windows. Too many random variables (sirens, loud noises startling them, animals passing by, fatties with food, dipshiats who want to pet animals in cars, etc.)


The only real concern I ever had with leaving my Border Collie in the truck was somebody stealing him. Farm town... trained herding dog... they aren't cheap.

/Ex got him when I left.
//Miss that guy too.
 
2013-07-11 01:16:23 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I would swear he realized it was me midair as the expression on his face changed.


I'm imagining a "rut roh" look and laughing.
 
2013-07-11 01:20:41 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: beakerxf: Pray 4 Mojo: "Wal-Mart manager is uncomfortable with the potential liability of having one of his employees policing the parking lot for dogs left in cars. Instructs employee to bring the information directly to management should it ever happen again. Employee refuses and leaves manager no other recourse than to fire her."

Ahhhh yes... accuracy.

She said she brought it to management on a previous occasion and they said they wouldn't do anything about it. So I think it's more likely they don't want to lose a customer than it is about any liability issue.

That's the problem there.

There's a way to handle things when you need to escalate problems with your superiors. Telling them "Fark off. I'll do it anyway" is a good way to handle yourself out of a job.


This.

And there is also a way to handle things that you don't have to confront people over every wrong they commit. She shouldn't have confronted the guy. she should have just waited to see if he came back out and if he didn't call the police. For some reason people today think they have to personally confront everybody whenever they do something wrong.
 
2013-07-11 01:22:12 AM  
Was going to side with the employee on the fact that WalMart is horrible in the way they treat their employees. Maybe it shouldn't be a crime, but there should be some special industry regulation, modeled from WalMart, on how not to treat employees.
But from the article, she had a bad attitude towards her supervisor. Disrespected them. Countered their orders and company policy.
She got what she deserved.
Glad the dog was OK
 
2013-07-11 01:33:46 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Sadly, I just plain don't take my dog on car rides for fear that some busybody superhero type will shatter my car window while I'm running into the gas station for a drink or something.. I understand the dangers, I've spent longer than some of these charts in hot cars myself. I think it's being blown out of proportion a bit.


As a dog lover that would not hesitate to break a window to save a dog that is in legit distress... I would say I agree this.

The "Vet in a hot car" video that people kept posting upthread is a good example. They never say how hot it is outside... how long the car was closed up before he got in it... and he's repeatedly laying the (comically oversized) thermometer on the farking dashboard. Yet... it still takes likes 20 or 30 minutes to get over 110 degrees. I had a crew of guys working at my job in 110 degree temps last week... in the sun. Nobody died.

And yes... I realize there's a difference.

All that said... I'll take the widespread overreactions over widespread apathy.
 
2013-07-11 01:42:09 AM  

Anastacya:
Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

Yikes, I'm on your side here, but your use of the "Mmmmkay?" cliché makes me want to coont-poont your entire family.

Anastacya: Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.


Ah, OK, so you are an asshole, then. Mmmmkay?
 
2013-07-11 01:43:43 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: haolegirl: a Doberman who got ahold of a guy trying to steal the radio out of my friends motor home, 114 stitches later and I'd be willing to bet the guy learned his lesson

Man... I love instant justice.

CSB (that nobody cares about):

Came home one night pretty late and startled my rescue Great Dane/Mastiff out of a sound sleep (hadn't had him that long and found later he didn't hear real well). He came after me from flopped on his bed to full speed in about 3 seconds. I would swear he realized it was me midair as the expression on his face changed. He still hit me pretty hard and knocked me back into the door.

I never bothered to lock my doors again.

/I miss that dog.
//And if you must know... I pissed myself a little when that happened.


//and if you must know... I pissed a little reading that story! Hahahahaha!! What a beautiful combination of breeds that must have been. Btw, turned out the guy who got chewed up had been going motor home to motor home stealing whatever wasn't nailed down till he got what was coming to him. Was one of those big "let's all get together n camp" kinda things.
 
2013-07-11 01:46:44 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: RatMaster999: safetycap: RatMaster999: safetycap: Click

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

Or clack?

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That first guy is doing it wrong.  I have one of those tools and hitting the center of the window will just get you a rebounding tool.  Aim for about an inch in from the corner, and all you'll need to do is tap.


You could totally teach a class. I know I'd sign up!

That was awesome, thanks.

IMO... this is a much better window breaking tool. Compact... really easy to use (just push)... and the cost 3 bucks. I keep one in the door panel on my truck in case I ever drive into a river... or off a pier.

[media-dl.chimein.com image 200x149]

Doesn't have the cool seat belt cutter and stuff though.


Even easier is using a spark plug.  you can tie one to a string or just use a broken one.  there are many videos on youtube that show how easy it is, works even better than a rock.

He is a quick video of just using a piece of a spark plug :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hN1hmB5__w
 
2013-07-11 01:48:19 AM  

haolegirl: the guy who got chewed up had been going motor home to motor home stealing whatever wasn't nailed down till he got what was coming to him. Was one of those big "let's all get together n camp" kinda things.


Like... while people were out camping?!?! What a dumbass!

/And a total dick.
 
2013-07-11 01:49:59 AM  
I commend her attitude concerning the dog but her response to the manager was probably what got her fired.

I worked at JC Penny decades ago, selling suits. This was when it seemed every thief caught by any employee suddenly could sue the stores they worked for, especially if the employee laid hands on the bugger. (Like grab him by the arm before he steps off the sidewalk.)

So, we were ordered NOT to go after thieves ourselves due to assorted liability issues. We were to call a code over the loud speaker which identified our area and would bring a manager running, who would then go confront the thief.

That worked about as well as you might expect. I walked up on a thief, had to go back to my counter, call in the code and wait for the manager to come charging down. By then, the thief, with his stolen goods, walked right out the front door. When the manager showed up and found the thief gone, he got irritated at me! To make matters worse, as I stood by the door, looking out, the thief drove by laughing and waving his stolen stuff.

Damned if you did and damned if you didn't.

I worked at K-mart as the receiving manager, caught a thief stealing cartons of cigarettes off the back dock and went after him. K-mart approved. I grabbed up a 2x4 on my way through the pallet stack and he dropped the cartons as he ran to a waiting car down towards the end of the building and escaped.

However, even that bounced back on me a bit. The manager decided that when unloading the huge masses of freight, it needed to be brought directly into the tiny receiving bay, then put away, causing me all sorts of problems. We used to unload it on the dock, check it in, sort it out and then put it away because there was more room.

Though the girl was right. You are told all over the media to report any kid or pet locked in a hot car during the summer time. They feed you all sorts of horror stories about what can happen.

They just don't mention the assorted liability claims your store can face for you getting involved.

Remember JC Penny? That all started because some store employees from a different company chased a thief out into the parking lot and caught him. He put up a fight and one employee decked the guy.

When the cops came, the thief filed an assault charge. It actually went to court. Then he filed suit from jail against the store since the guy that hit him worked for it. That went to court also. He lost, but the store had to pay their lawyers a bundle.

Stores hate paying lawyers. Even if the cases are won, the bill can be huge, which is why so many stores settle out of court, right or wrong. Plus, it quickly became a thing for lawyers to drag out cases, for years sometimes, which enabled them to make millions.

These days, so many companies are afraid of lawsuits because of the expense and the fact that judges are allowing so many ridiculous ones through that they'll cut any employee loose who might be a liability, no matter how good a worker he or she is.

Years ago, cars had a separate light switch. Folks also parked and left their doors unlocked and windows down. Now and then, someone would forget to turn off their headlights. It was good form for a passerby to reach in, push the switch and shut the lights off before the battery drained.

I would not do even that today. You risk getting arrested or sued or both.

I mean, you're seeing how well the 'Stand Your Ground' law is working in Florida. Even if the defendant is found innocent, chances are he'll be bankrupt by the end of the mess. Not to mention that the dead kids' family will be able to file a wrongful death suit. He can win the murder case but loose the lawsuit.

Doing the 'Right Thing' today can be risky.
 
2013-07-11 01:55:36 AM  

Malacon: Mike Chewbacca: It was 95 outside, probably 120 in the car

A car can hit 120, in the sun, on an 80 degree day.

If it was 95, it was most likely substantially hotter.


Why do you guys keep saying if? What if it was 75 degrees outside and cloudy? What if the owner rolled up his windows to keep the cold air inside the car? Would that constitute harassing him, then? Just how much are you allowed to insult and harass someone just because they have a dog? Can I start a fist fight with them just because I don't like them?
 
2013-07-11 02:07:29 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: haolegirl: the guy who got chewed up had been going motor home to motor home stealing whatever wasn't nailed down till he got what was coming to him. Was one of those big "let's all get together n camp" kinda things.

Like... while people were out camping?!?! What a dumbass!

/And a total dick.


Yup...like I said, he got what he deserved...my dog on the otoh, idk if she would bat an eye if I wasn't in the car. Did have her charge a guy who tried to approach the car to direct traffic, and even tho she wasn't coming at me it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen.
 
2013-07-11 02:08:36 AM  
*on the on the other hand?
 
2013-07-11 02:13:28 AM  
Just how much are you allowed to insult and harass someone just because they have a dog? Can I start a fist fight with them just because I don't like them?

In this day & age, you could probably get a reality show based on that...
 
2013-07-11 02:33:34 AM  

Bung_Howdy: BUT in today's litigious society, I worry about damn near everything. Just playing devils advocate. Not a far stretch to claim a dog jumped out of fully open vehicle window and bit someone (even if it went down differently). I'll bet the azzhole would win, too... I would have felt uncomfortable ever leaving (even my well trained) dogs with fully rolled down windows. Too many random variables (sirens, loud noises startling them, animals passing by, fatties with food, dipshiats who want to pet animals in cars, etc.)

/used to have the luxury of a lawyer on retainer


Doesn't sound like it was a luxury for you.

/don't leave windows down far enough for dogs to escape, people.
 
2013-07-11 02:45:08 AM  
The man took his dog back to the truck and rolled up the windows, leaving them open about an inch,

WordyGrrl: Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.


When it's 100 degrees out and I'm at work, my dog and every human outside is suffering 100 degree heat.

With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.
 
2013-07-11 03:06:40 AM  
So Wal-Mart is pro-animal torture? Or at least against speaking out against it? Interesting.
 
2013-07-11 03:12:55 AM  
strathmeyer:Just how much are you allowed to insult and harass someone just because they have a dog? Can I start a fist fight with them just because I don't like them?

Proves my point on litigious society and concern over idjits and random variables


BarkingUnicorn: Bung_Howdy: BUT in today's litigious society, I worry about damn near everything. Just playing devils advocate. Not a far stretch to claim a dog jumped out of fully open vehicle window and bit someone (even if it went down differently). I'll bet the azzhole would win, too... I would have felt uncomfortable ever leaving (even my well trained) dogs with fully rolled down windows. Too many random variables (sirens, loud noises startling them, animals passing by, fatties with food, dipshiats who want to pet animals in cars, etc.)

/used to have the luxury of a lawyer on retainer


Doesn't sound like it was a luxury for you.
/don't leave windows down far enough for dogs to escape, people.



seconded..
//lBTW: Lawyer on retainer was for my business, not for dogs
 
2013-07-11 03:20:23 AM  
On the plus side, she no longer has to work at Walmart.
 
2013-07-11 03:33:23 AM  

Thai_Mai_Xhu: My houseboy Boogie was stolen recently, people saw him taken, didn't get the tag number.
Treat your pups good people, you may (will) part too soon.
Chipped?
Yes, but it probably won't help, here people would rather shoot a dog than buy a flea collar, let alone take one to a vet.
Goddamnitsomuch.


I'm so fu*king sorry. That's terrible. I hope whoever took Boogie dies horribly and Boogie survives the accident/flames/acid bath/industrial accident/plane crash/curse.
 
2013-07-11 03:39:57 AM  

RealAmericanHero: So Wal-Mart is pro-animal torture? Or at least against speaking out against it? Interesting.


No, Walmart is against dumbass sales clerks telling their manager "I don't care what you tell me, I'm going to call the cops if I ever see a dog in a car ever again."

The correct thing to do in this situation, if a manager says "Next time, I want you to come to me first," is to nod your little head, even if inside what you're saying is you're still going to call the cops. Then, if there is a next time, you dial 911--which is a totally anonymous reporting line--report the dog-killing douchebag, THEN go and tell your manager. If the cops show up, YOU don't have to be the one to say you called them. Some unknown citizen did his or her good deed and notified them there was a dog dying in the heat--YOU told your manager like a good little drone. Then let the chips fall where they may. If what your goal is, is to save the dog's life. If your goal is to get your 15 minutes of attention-whoring fame, then you've been unmasked as the AW you are.

If you must tell your manager you're going to be Superman, you're going to get sacked. If you can't think of a way to do the right thing and also keep your soul-sucking minimum wage job, then you deserve to lose it (assuming you ever wanted it); but playing by the rules does NOT mean leaving dogs to die in sweltering cars; it just means thinking outside the box.
 
2013-07-11 03:45:03 AM  

haolegirl: Pray 4 Mojo: haolegirl: the guy who got chewed up had been going motor home to motor home stealing whatever wasn't nailed down till he got what was coming to him. Was one of those big "let's all get together n camp" kinda things.

Like... while people were out camping?!?! What a dumbass!

/And a total dick.

Yup...like I said, he got what he deserved...my dog on the otoh, idk if she would bat an eye if I wasn't in the car. Did have her charge a guy who tried to approach the car to direct traffic, and even tho she wasn't coming at me it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen.


I train dogs, including so-called "problem dogs" (problem owners). I can help you, if you can't find someone in your area.
 
2013-07-11 04:10:06 AM  
Back when I had my dog, the only times I would leave him in the car for more than two minutes on a hot day, I would leave the car running with the air on. Locked, with the spare key in my pocket.
 
2013-07-11 04:20:32 AM  

MadAzza: I train dogs, including so-called "problem dogs" (problem owners)


This. It should be illegal to own pets or children without passing basic certification.
 
2013-07-11 04:28:17 AM  
BuckTurgidson:
With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.

Astoundingly ignorant, multiplied.
 
2013-07-11 04:48:30 AM  

BuckTurgidson: The man took his dog back to the truck and rolled up the windows, leaving them open about an inch,

WordyGrrl: Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.

When it's 100 degrees out and I'm at work, my dog and every human outside is suffering 100 degree heat.

With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.


The greenhouse effect, How does it work?
 
2013-07-11 04:58:02 AM  
I believe that the dog owner was in the wrong for leaving the dog in the car.  The ex-employee was also in the wrong. The company has a policy in place, namely, that employees are to notify a manager, which she refused to follow.  Years ago, I worked at Toys R Us, and we had a policy that management was to be notified and they would then run an announcement requesting that the owner of a red Toyota with license # XXX come to the service desk. When the customer arrived, they'd be notified that they needed to leave and take care of their pet.  I imagine WalMart has a similar policy in place. While the girl may have not been working at the time of this incident, while sitting on their property associating with other employees, she could logically be assumed to be a WalMart representative, and as such, she needs to be following company policy. By refusing to follow their policy, she deserved firing.

I sincerely believe that pets shouldn't be left in cars during the summer, and once actually took a cat from a car.  I had gone to the book-store and the neighboring grocery store, and noticed a cat in the adjacent car when I was getting out of my car.  An hour and a half later, when I returned to my car, the cat was laying on the floorboard not moving.  The car wasn't locked, so I opened the door to check on him, but he didn't move at all, just lay there gasping.  I opened up a can of coke, the only liquid I had with me, and poured it on him, at which point he actually started lapping up the soda. I took him in my car and turned the AC on and sat with him for another half hour or so, and then decided the hell with it, he'd have been dead if I left him, so now he was mine. I took him to the vet, and surprise, surprise, he was incredibly dehydrated, but he wound up with no long-lasting ill effects.
 
2013-07-11 05:42:27 AM  
Amberleia:

Good form, and bet you've got an awesome buddy out of the ordeal
 
2013-07-11 05:58:12 AM  
Anastaysia or whatever the fark your name is, this is what you're saying: "Leaving dogs in a hot car is bad. But It's ok if *I* do it, because I'm different than other people."
You're a moron. Dogs can't sweat like us and overheat much faster. If you take puppy for a car ride, don't plan on stopping anywhere, you dumb biatch. There's no excuse. You're just another abuser who thinks she's exempt.
 
2013-07-11 06:13:35 AM  
You didn't do very well in school, did you?
 
2013-07-11 06:31:33 AM  

Carth: WTP 2: why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????

Why don't more stores allow pets? They are cleaner and better behaved than most toddlers I see in public.


People can be allergic. Not to mention the health hazard if it decides to shiat somewhere in the store. Not to mention they are annoying when they jus don't shut up
 
2013-07-11 06:43:34 AM  
RCMP in my province gave the OK to bust out car windows if a child or animal is left in the car on a hot day.
 
2013-07-11 07:06:34 AM  
Walmart sucks, and their management sucks. So they lost one customer who said he's not coming back because the employee did the right thing, and the employee has to be fired over it?  It's ONE customer, not a thousand!!!!
 
2013-07-11 07:07:29 AM  

BuckTurgidson: With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.


Criminal stupidity. You will kill your children this way one day if you don't wise up.
 
2013-07-11 07:44:45 AM  
When it's hot, I just call the cops here.  The local suburb is fairly dog friendly about these kinds of things.
 
2013-07-11 08:05:27 AM  
At any point did this chick try to give the dog some water thru the window to help it cool off?  An inch opening is big enough to put a water bottle up for the dog to drink and if the dog was truly in distress to cool off he would gladly take the water.

nope of course not she simply wanted to play the drama queen.  maybe I just don't get it but have dogs become wimpier over the years.  I swear when i was a kid one would see dogs left in cars quite often and I don't believe I ever heard of one dying while their owners shopped.

Okay I agree that one shouldn't leave their dogs in the car but it has gotten to the point with these drama queens out there that even running into a 7-11 or other little store that takes no longer then 5 minutes I worry that some fool will pretend my dog is in distress even with all 4 windows and the sunroof cracked and his tail wagging.
 
2013-07-11 08:06:59 AM  
Why not just leave your dog at home? Seriously. If you know that you have to go shopping why bring it with at all?

If you want to get your dog out of the house for a while then do so in a way that's dog friendly. Take it to a park or something. If you want too go grocery shopping there is no good reason to being it along. Why put your pet in a situation where it has to sit in a car by itself while you do other things? If that means taking your dog somewhere like a park, taking it back home, then going back out to shop then so be it.

Sometimes going out of your way for the sake of another is part of caring for another living creature - be it a child, pet, or something else. If you're too lazy to take the appropriate steps to insure the well being of that which is in your care then you shouldn't be caring for something in the first place.

If the dog simply cannot be home alone for some reason and you live alone, then you need to reevaluate your living arrangements. There is no good reason to take your dog with you to do grocery shopping or to run errands.

/Have had dogs over the years
//Knew full well that there are places they didn't need to be
 
2013-07-11 08:16:58 AM  

TotesCrayCray: Why not just leave your dog at home? Seriously. If you know that you have to go shopping why bring it with at all?

If you want to get your dog out of the house for a while then do so in a way that's dog friendly. Take it to a park or something. If you want too go grocery shopping there is no good reason to being it along. Why put your pet in a situation where it has to sit in a car by itself while you do other things? If that means taking your dog somewhere like a park, taking it back home, then going back out to shop then so be it.

Sometimes going out of your way for the sake of another is part of caring for another living creature - be it a child, pet, or something else. If you're too lazy to take the appropriate steps to insure the well being of that which is in your care then you shouldn't be caring for something in the first place.

If the dog simply cannot be home alone for some reason and you live alone, then you need to reevaluate your living arrangements. There is no good reason to take your dog with you to do grocery shopping or to run errands.

/Have had dogs over the years
//Knew full well that there are places they didn't need to be


I'll give you a situation.  When traveling with my Mom who has Alzheimer's and she has to use the restroom and  there are no state rest stops nearby.  At this point we have to stop at a store or gas station, well gas stations aren't always the cleanest so if there is a grocery store, hotel or wal-mart/target those are generally easier for her. Well the dog is in the car and I can't take the dog in the store nor can I let my Mom walk in by herself.

guess who gets left in the car
 
2013-07-11 08:37:54 AM  
"He told me then that I was terminated, he wanted my vest, my badge, and to clean out my locker and that I needed to leave."

So she was allowed to keep her gun?
 
2013-07-11 09:26:07 AM  

Anastacya: WordyGrrl: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

If I see a dog in a car, and it doesn't look like it's doing so well,  I'm going to have them page the "owner of the (make, model) vehicle" to come to the front of the store so I can let them know how the dog's doing. Especially if I don't know how long that dog's been in that car. It's  easy for a "just get in, get out" shopping trip to end up lasting longer when you're actually in the store and seeing things you just now realized you need.

Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.

Oh I do take care. For me, too warm is around 75°F. And if I am in the store for more than ten minutes, tops, I will leave and take her home and then come back. Fortunately Pierre is a small town and I don't have to worry about a long drive (from pretty much anywhere). People just don't realize that even with parking in the shade, leaving the windows open AND with water, the air temperature is worse because they're covered in fur.

If I come out and she is too hot I just run to Burger King and get her an ice cream cone. They're 50¢ all summer :P



My dog gets a scoop of vanilla UDF on occasion.  If it gets above 75 F, unfortunately (?) she has to stay at home for this exact reason.
 
2013-07-11 09:32:59 AM  

Katolu: AverageAmericanGuy: Goddamned busybodies.

Yeah, just like the anti-abortionists trying to get up in a woman's business. Busybodies.


I can't exactly determine what the sarcasm level is here; however, I wil say that women have a choice and are able to let themselves in/out of an automobile.

Dogs do not.
 
2013-07-11 09:56:01 AM  

Oldiron_79: LordOfThePings: jaylectricity: They have hot days in Ontario now?

Yep, nearly 22 degrees.

fark 10 degrees below freezing even this time of year?


I think they mean Celsius.  Doesn't Canada go by the metric system?
 
2013-07-11 10:05:23 AM  

WTP 2: why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????


I take my dog with me on short trips like the auto parts store and leave the car and A/C running.  The car has a keypad on the side for me to lock or unlock it.  That way Gojo stays cool and enjoys his ride.  Once I'm back in the car I roll the window down for the little guy.
 
2013-07-11 10:14:06 AM  

mongbiohazard: Anastacya: Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.

We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal. Everyone knows if you're just following orders you're exempt from responsibility for your actions or inaction, both morally and legally.


www.celebrone.com
 
2013-07-11 10:28:45 AM  
Leaving a dog in a hot car? Hell... If you're in Iowa you can beat a puppy to death with a baseball bat and get away with it.

Animal abusers = scum of the earth.
 
2013-07-11 11:05:15 AM  
Problem is, she thinks shes a farking vigilante hero. She should have called the cops and went about her own business.
 
2013-07-11 11:13:47 AM  
Idiot self-righteous broad defies a direct order from a supervisor and gets fired?

Where's the controversy?  If she felt strongly about the dog she could have called the police anonymously and shut her stupid trap for the sake of earning her rent money.

/You can't fix stupid.
 
2013-07-11 11:30:53 AM  

BuckTurgidson: The man took his dog back to the truck and rolled up the windows, leaving them open about an inch,

WordyGrrl: Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.

When it's 100 degrees out and I'm at work, my dog and every human outside is suffering 100 degree heat.

With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.


You think the interior air of a car with all the windows cracked an inch will stay the same temperature as the outside air?

Do me a favor, try it sometime.
 
2013-07-11 11:46:20 AM  

Mija: Katolu: AverageAmericanGuy: Goddamned busybodies.

Yeah, just like the anti-abortionists trying to get up in a woman's business. Busybodies.

Yeah because stopping someone from murdering their child is the equivalent to a dog in hot car? Sicko.


Your sarcasm meter needs calibrating.
 
2013-07-11 12:00:17 PM  

Mija: Katolu: AverageAmericanGuy: Goddamned busybodies.

Yeah, just like the anti-abortionists trying to get up in a woman's business. Busybodies.

Yeah because stopping someone from murdering their child is the equivalent to a dog in hot car? Sicko.


Waldo Pepper: At any point did this chick try to give the dog some water thru the window to help it cool off? An inch opening is big enough to put a water bottle up for the dog to drink and if the dog was truly in distress to cool off he would gladly take the water.

nope of course not she simply wanted to play the drama queen. maybe I just don't get it but have dogs become wimpier over the years. I swear when i was a kid one would see dogs left in cars quite often and I don't believe I ever heard of one dying while their owners shopped.


I can't tell if you are from Mars or trolling or..what?
 
2013-07-11 12:41:37 PM  

Mystery Vortex: Anastaysia or whatever the fark your name is, this is what you're saying: "Leaving dogs in a hot car is bad. But It's ok if *I* do it, because I'm different than other people."
You're a moron. Dogs can't sweat like us and overheat much faster. If you take puppy for a car ride, don't plan on stopping anywhere, you dumb biatch. There's no excuse. You're just another abuser who thinks she's exempt.


Aww thank you. You're right, the dog that I've dragged in bleeding to a vet to save her life I'm abusing. I'll go call the local animal control right now, she is sitting outside sniffing the breeze but it's 79 out, OH GOD NO!

/asshole
 
2013-07-11 12:44:38 PM  

Phins: Vet Sits in Hot Car For 30 Minutes to Show Effect On Pets

[i1059.photobucket.com image 294x280]


Nice video but starting out at 95 degrees, the temperature in the car only hits 116 where your photo says that on a 78 degree day it'll hit 160. That's a pretty big difference.
 
2013-07-11 01:18:46 PM  

FTDA: Oldiron_79: LordOfThePings: jaylectricity: They have hot days in Ontario now?

Yep, nearly 22 degrees.

fark 10 degrees below freezing even this time of year?

I think they mean Celsius.  Doesn't Canada go by the metric system?


That was the joke.
 
2013-07-11 01:37:55 PM  

Omahawg: [d28mt5n9lkji5m.cloudfront.net image 631x503]


Made this comment before, should be legal to bust out all the windows of cars with child or dog locked in.
 
2013-07-11 02:41:46 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??

The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?

You leave your car with the windows rolled all the way down? And your pet stays inside?? Or you just don't have a pet at all, and are talking out of your arse?

RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: Pray 4 Mojo: RealFarknMcCoy2: So you're gonna go ahead and be WRONG. You don't know shiat, obviously. I TEACH Pet CPR, First Aid & Care. I know WTF I'm talking about.

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??

The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?

You leave your car with the windows rolled all the way down? And your pet stays inside?? Or you just don't have a pet at all, and are talking out of your arse?

Don't get all shiatty with me because of what you said.

RealFarknMcCoy2: A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees

And yes... my dogs would not jump out of the car with the windows rolled down.. because I actually took the time to train them. Even the Border Collie who was capable of jumping in and out of the window of my lifted farm truck.

If you "meant" windows 'cracked' or 'partially rolled down'... I got no argument with that... but that's not what you said... which prompted my original response to you.


With respect, there are also the front and back windshields, which also refract light parabolically and magnify heat, and tend not to be retractable.

(Exceptions include front windshields in convertible Jeeps and VW Type 182s, and rear windshields in top-down convertibles.)
 
2013-07-11 08:54:18 PM  

GibbyTheMole: Leaving a dog in a hot car? Hell... If you're in Iowa you can beat a puppy to death with a baseball bat and get away with it.

Animal abusers = scum of the earth.


That's an insult to scum. They are below that. But I agree with your sentiment  :)
 
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