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2013-07-10 08:34:18 PM
POP?
It's COKE!
Everything is a f*cking Coke.
 
2013-07-10 08:42:38 PM
"bad for your teeth?" how?
 
2013-07-10 08:46:30 PM

FlashHarry: "bad for your teeth?" how?


Slightly acidic. Etches your enamel if you drink shiatloads of it.

But... but... beer is still okay, right? RIGHT?!?!
 
2013-07-10 08:47:32 PM
Know what else is bad for your overall metabolism? Soda.

/Diet soda is bad so vote drink regular soda?
 
2013-07-10 08:48:12 PM

FlashHarry: "bad for your teeth?" how?


I thought you knew everything.
So did you.
 
2013-07-10 08:48:53 PM
It's the "hey, I'll go ahead and have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm having a Diet Coke" mentality.

homework.never-ends.net
 
2013-07-10 08:49:29 PM

FlashHarry: "bad for your teeth?" how?


Phosphoric acid corrodes the enamel.  Not as badly as phosphoric acid and sugar, but still badly.
 
2013-07-10 08:49:33 PM
Diet soda is nasty for a large variety of reasons.
 
2013-07-10 08:49:42 PM
"On average, for each diet soft drink our participants drank per day, they were 65 percent more likely to become overweight during the next seven to eight years" said Sharon Fowler...

That means I'm 390% more likely to become overweight... whatever that means. Math is hard.

Doesn't matter... I'm already fat. I think it's probably more from eating a lot of garbage than the empty pyramid of Diet Mtn Dews left on my desk at the end of every day.
 
2013-07-10 08:50:12 PM

Saners: Know what else is bad for your overall metabolism? Soda.

/Diet soda is bad so vote drink regular soda?


If you are going waste all those calories drinking liquids full of refined sugar why not just drink liquids full of naturally refined sugar: alcohol.
 
2013-07-10 08:51:12 PM

farkinglizardking: It's the "hey, I'll go ahead and have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm having a Diet Coke" mentality.


On the  other hand, "Hey, I will not have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm drinking a calorie filled soda" has been said by nobody ever.
 
2013-07-10 08:51:27 PM
Diet sodas all taste like poison anyway.
 
2013-07-10 08:51:29 PM

farkinglizardking: It's the "hey, I'll go ahead and have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm having a Diet Coke" mentality.

[homework.never-ends.net image 450x300]


No.... I like the taste of diet coke better... Sorry I don't have an overused picture to throw up with my statement though.

Oh wait, I do.

images.sodahead.com

/sounds fat
 
2013-07-10 08:51:46 PM
DNRTA, but... yes. I knew this.

This is why I've mostly cut out soda and other carbonated beverages from my diet down from "Several cans a day". These days when I eat out, at Subway I get their honey green tea, but otherwise order water (unless it's attached to a coupon, in which case I usually get a clear soda like Sprite).

I backslid a bit (I needed comfort food) from when I was on a good diet and semi-exercise plan... I need to get back on it. ...in steps. Baby steps.

/'Only' 210.
 
2013-07-10 08:52:18 PM

dv-ous: FlashHarry: "bad for your teeth?" how?

Slightly acidic. Etches your enamel if you drink shiatloads of it.

But... but... beer is still okay, right? RIGHT?!?!



Beer is good for you now.
 
2013-07-10 08:52:45 PM
Or maybe fatties just drink more diet pop in the hopes that they can offset their bucket of fried chicken with fake sugar water and not gain weight.

/fattie
//mmm, chicken.
 
2013-07-10 08:53:36 PM

jehovahs witness protection: POP?
It's COKE!
Everything is a f*cking Coke.


that's soda you hillbilly. diet soda
 
2013-07-10 08:54:05 PM

max_pooper: Saners: Know what else is bad for your overall metabolism? Soda.

/Diet soda is bad so vote drink regular soda?

If you are going waste all those calories drinking liquids full of refined sugar why not just drink liquids full of naturally refined sugar: alcohol.


Or drink something with no added sugar: vodak.
 
2013-07-10 08:54:30 PM
Yes, the same NPR who just yesterday hemmed, hawed, and strained mightily to say that Eric Snowden wasn't a whistle-blower after all - you know, based on a convoluted definition of such they just pulled out of their a**. No, he is something else *entirely*.

Whitewashing scumbags. F*ck them.
 
2013-07-10 08:55:03 PM

skankboy: farkinglizardking: It's the "hey, I'll go ahead and have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm having a Diet Coke" mentality.

[homework.never-ends.net image 450x300]

No.... I like the taste of diet coke better... Sorry I don't have an overused picture to throw up with my statement though.

Oh wait, I do.

[images.sodahead.com image 320x290]

/sounds fat


Well, that escalated quickly.

Is that overused too?

/actually don't farking care
 
2013-07-10 08:55:04 PM
www.korsgaardscommentary.com
 
2013-07-10 08:55:25 PM

Saners: max_pooper: Saners: Know what else is bad for your overall metabolism? Soda.

/Diet soda is bad so vote drink regular soda?

If you are going waste all those calories drinking liquids full of refined sugar why not just drink liquids full of naturally refined sugar: alcohol.

Or drink something with no added sugar: vodak.


Somebody doesn't understand what fermentation is.
 
2013-07-10 08:55:40 PM
[smug] Nothing  but purest, distilled rain water purified by filtration through the wings of angels has ever passed through these kidneys! [/smug]
 
2013-07-10 08:57:23 PM
Well, since being overweight is a major contributor to the development of type 2 diabetes, it's possible that some diet-soda drinkers suffer from a mindset problem: They justify eating lots of high-calorie foods because their drinks are calorie-free.

So we can't do a study that looks at diet soda consumption and calories consumed?

I find it impossible to believe that their has been many studies done on this and they never normalized it for the variable of calories consumed a day.

Any nutritionists here that might know?
 
2013-07-10 08:57:51 PM
I'm wondering if it's conjecture on their part about people's mentality (i.e. I had a diet soda so I can stuff my face with crappy food) or if that's actually been studied?  I've never in my entire life known someone with that mentality, not to say it doesn't exist, maybe I just happen to associate with abnormal people.  Granted, I don't grill my dinner company about their food choices, but I've never witnessed a correlation between diet drinks and increased food intake or likelihood of unhealthy indulgences.

Most people I know, including myself are of the mentality that, if I'm going to have a soda with my meal, I'd rather not have all the empty calories.  Other people I know are diabetic or concerned about diabetes, so they avoid sugary drinks and foods.  Either way, I've never rationalized having a second burger, extra slice of pizza or large order of onion rings because I've chosen a diet drink or other sugar free drink (tea, water, coffee, etc).
 
2013-07-10 08:57:54 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Yes, the same NPR who just yesterday hemmed, hawed, and strained mightily to say that Eric Snowden wasn't a whistle-blower after all - you know, based on a convoluted definition of such they just pulled out of their a**. No, he is something else *entirely*.

Whitewashing scumbags. F*ck them.


They're still the closest thing to news offered by any national media outlet in this country and you know it.
 
2013-07-10 08:58:16 PM
It's soda. Not pop. Coke is acceptable as well
 
2013-07-10 08:59:45 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Yes, the same NPR who just yesterday hemmed, hawed, and strained mightily to say that Eric Snowden wasn't a whistle-blower after all - you know, based on a convoluted definition of such they just pulled out of their a**. No, he is something else *entirely*.

Whitewashing scumbags. F*ck them.


You sound concerned they don't tow the Fox News line
 
2013-07-10 08:59:56 PM
Meh. Everything is bad for you. Go with what makes you happy in moderation and live well until you die.

And it's "pop", for the brazillionth time, dammit!
 
2013-07-10 09:01:10 PM

MrHappyRotter: I'm wondering if it's conjecture on their part about people's mentality (i.e. I had a diet soda so I can stuff my face with crappy food) or if that's actually been studied?  I've never in my entire life known someone with that mentality, not to say it doesn't exist, maybe I just happen to associate with abnormal people.  Granted, I don't grill my dinner company about their food choices, but I've never witnessed a correlation between diet drinks and increased food intake or likelihood of unhealthy indulgences.

Most people I know, including myself are of the mentality that, if I'm going to have a soda with my meal, I'd rather not have all the empty calories.  Other people I know are diabetic or concerned about diabetes, so they avoid sugary drinks and foods.  Either way, I've never rationalized having a second burger, extra slice of pizza or large order of onion rings because I've chosen a diet drink or other sugar free drink (tea, water, coffee, etc).


I can't speak for any scientific or sociological study that says that, but I knew a couple of plus-sized gals in college who actually thought this way. They rationalized that they could eat more because they read some statistic somewhere that 20% of daily caloric intake was from beverages. Therefore, they reasoned that drinking only diet soda and water would help them loose weight while not at all altering their horrible diet. There's been others as well but I can't remember any specific instances where it's been expressed to me.

Of course, I know a lot of people who would rationalize in this manner, unfortunately. My thinking is most Americans do
 
2013-07-10 09:02:20 PM
"My wife and I don't use soda of any kind.

because, frankly, we're better than you people.

I also don't own a TeeVee and I use a non-ironic rotary phone

Pretty much King Sh*T of F*ck Island over here."

/borrowed, still amused
 
2013-07-10 09:02:43 PM

max_pooper: Saners: max_pooper: Saners: Know what else is bad for your overall metabolism? Soda.

/Diet soda is bad so vote drink regular soda?

If you are going waste all those calories drinking liquids full of refined sugar why not just drink liquids full of naturally refined sugar: alcohol.

Or drink something with no added sugar: vodak.

Somebody doesn't understand what fermentation is.


Please knock yourself out explaining where I was wrong.
 
2013-07-10 09:03:21 PM
Exact words from the article's cited study: "Although these observational data cannot establish causality"

Good job, article, you fail at basic comprehension.
 
2013-07-10 09:04:45 PM
Step one in making anything alcoholic: add sugar.
 
2013-07-10 09:04:48 PM

Corvus: I find it impossible to believe that their has been many studies done on this and they never normalized it for the variable of calories consumed a day.

Any nutritionists here that might know?


you find it impossible to believe that no one has followed a statistically relevant sampling of people for the better part of a decade, cataloging every single calorie that they consume?  Since the people won't be able to do it themselves?

Huh.  You don't have a very good imagination.

//coworker goes to the salad bar, loads up a plate with hardboiled eggs, bacon, cottage cheese, in a pile almost overflowing...and then marks it off on his diet app on his phone as simply "salad" - hey, it was at a salad bar, so...
 
2013-07-10 09:05:19 PM

farkinglizardking: It's the "hey, I'll go ahead and have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm having a Diet Coke" mentality.

[homework.never-ends.net image 450x300]


If you are going strictly by the numbers, that reasoning has some merit.

And since weight loss/control IS strictly a numbers game (just make sure calories burned > calories consumed), I don't see a problem with that.

/you sound fat
 
2013-07-10 09:06:23 PM

MrHappyRotter: I'm wondering if it's conjecture on their part about people's mentality (i.e. I had a diet soda so I can stuff my face with crappy food) or if that's actually been studied?  I've never in my entire life known someone with that mentality, not to say it doesn't exist, maybe I just happen to associate with abnormal people.  Granted, I don't grill my dinner company about their food choices, but I've never witnessed a correlation between diet drinks and increased food intake or likelihood of unhealthy indulgences.

Most people I know, including myself are of the mentality that, if I'm going to have a soda with my meal, I'd rather not have all the empty calories.  Other people I know are diabetic or concerned about diabetes, so they avoid sugary drinks and foods.  Either way, I've never rationalized having a second burger, extra slice of pizza or large order of onion rings because I've chosen a diet drink or other sugar free drink (tea, water, coffee, etc).


Perhaps it's not an intentional choice to eat more because of drinking a diet soda, but that people who are drinking soda with a meal are more likely to be eating at a fast food type place, where there are few other options or where a fountain drink is included with the meal. Their burger and fries that came with the diet coke would be more calories than the ham on wheat with mustard they might otherwise be eating.
 
2013-07-10 09:07:13 PM

max_pooper: Step one in making anything alcoholic: add sugar.


uh, no.  As an example, grapes have the distinction of being able to be put into a bowl and, without anything added at all, very likely making alcohol.  No yeast, no sugar, no nothin.  Even in the normal wine making process, you would never ever ever ever  add sugar.

Same goes with several other types of alcohol.  Sometimes things already have enough sugar all on their own, no more being needed for fermentation.
 
2013-07-10 09:08:21 PM
...it's possible that some diet-soda drinkers suffer from a mindset problem: They justify eating lots of high-calorie foods because their drinks are calorie-free.

THAT'S NOT THE FAULT OF THE DIET SODA!

The rest of the article is a bunch of "mights", "mays", and "could bes" with nothing to back up the conjecture.
 
2013-07-10 09:08:21 PM
Harder than cigarettes or or alcohol to give up has been soda. By a wide margin. I was drinking 3 20oz Code Reds a day until I weaned off onto coffee (which was never one of my vices before-one cup every couple months-am a morning person). Now I have one 20oz coffee with Splenda and I don't crave soda for the rest of the day. Tapering off on Vitamin Water, probably will be easier once it cools down. You have to replace one habit with another and slowly exchange until you get to good habits.
 
2013-07-10 09:09:22 PM

namegoeshere: but that people who are drinking soda with a meal are more likely to be eating at a fast food type plac


that's precisely what it is.  The problem isn't rationalizing eating a second burger, it's rationalizing eating the  first burger.  Those who drink diet sodas are doing so at fast food places.  Those who go to fast food places often, get fat.  Not rocket science :P
 
2013-07-10 09:10:15 PM

Tchernobog: dv-ous: FlashHarry: "bad for your teeth?" how?

Slightly acidic. Etches your enamel if you drink shiatloads of it.

But... but... beer is still okay, right? RIGHT?!?!


Beer is good for you now.


Beer was never bad for you. It has always been good for you.

Good for me!  Good for you!  Mmmm good! Up in the morning to the rising sun!  Gotta run all day... till the running's done!  Ho Chi Minh is a son of a biatch!  Got the blueballs, crabs and the seven-year itch!
 
2013-07-10 09:10:44 PM

indylaw: WhoopAssWayne: Yes, the same NPR who just yesterday hemmed, hawed, and strained mightily to say that Eric Snowden wasn't a whistle-blower after all - you know, based on a convoluted definition of such they just pulled out of their a**. No, he is something else *entirely*.

Whitewashing scumbags. F*ck them.

They're still the closest thing to news offered by any national media outlet in this country and you know it.


I recall hearing that American news media is on-average more liberal than unbiased. They are however not as conservative or liberal as the respective political ideologies in our country, so if anything NPR is not liberal enough for liberals and even Fox isn't conservative enough for conservatives.
 
2013-07-10 09:11:32 PM

I Like Shiny Things: farkinglizardking: It's the "hey, I'll go ahead and have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm having a Diet Coke" mentality.

[homework.never-ends.net image 450x300]

If you are going strictly by the numbers, that reasoning has some merit.

And since weight loss/control IS strictly a numbers game (just make sure calories burned > calories consumed), I don't see a problem with that.

/you sound fat


You completely missed the point of my facepalm. I was facepalming for people that have that mentality, since most usually overeat when they replace with diet soda. See my post a few upthread in response to another user.

May have brought out the pic too eagerly, I realize that.

/you sound like you missed your meds today
 
2013-07-10 09:11:41 PM
farkinglizardking: I can't speak for any scientific or sociological study that says that, but I knew a couple of plus-sized gals in college who actually thought this way. They rationalized that they could eat more because they read some statistic somewhere that 20% of daily caloric intake was from beverages. Therefore, they reasoned that drinking only diet soda and water would help them loose weight while not at all altering their horrible diet. There's been others as well but I can't remember any specific instances where it's been expressed to me.

Yep, the problem is, they might go from consuming 600 excess calories per day down to say 2500 excess calories per day. Combine with some sort of crash diet and they think the diet soda is actually having some sort of long term effect.

But in reality, it just takes them three times as long for their weights to float back up than previously.

// but it's not like they actually took the time to do the math properly
 
2013-07-10 09:11:56 PM

I Like Shiny Things: farkinglizardking: It's the "hey, I'll go ahead and have those fries and a cheeseburger, since I'm having a Diet Coke" mentality.

[homework.never-ends.net image 450x300]

If you are going strictly by the numbers, that reasoning has some merit.

And since weight loss/control IS strictly a numbers game (just make sure calories burned > calories consumed), I don't see a problem with that.

/you sound fat


Uh oh, I hope you didn't just summon the dumbasses that believe the human body doesn't obey the laws of thermodynamics.

Before any of you dumbasses starting spouting off, you're wrong. A calorie is a calories whether it comes from lipids, carbohydrates, proteins or alcohol.
 
2013-07-10 09:12:05 PM
I missed carbonation more than soda when I quit so I started drinking sodium free seltzer waters. When I'm feeling REALLY bold and daring I'll mix half a can with some limeade.

/CSB
 
2013-07-10 09:12:56 PM

indylaw: Or maybe fatties just drink more diet pop in the hopes that they can offset their bucket of fried chicken with fake sugar water and not gain weight.

/fattie
//mmm, chicken.


^^^THIIS^^^

csb(or not)

When I worked at McD's putting myself thru undergrad, people two axe handles across the beam would order " two quarter pounders, a large fry... And, yeah, a medium Diet Coke...".

/Still have farking nightmares
 
2013-07-10 09:12:57 PM
oops, not 2500 excess, 200 excess

// 2300 excess calories snuck into my post.
 
2013-07-10 09:14:30 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: [smug] Nothing  but purest, distilled rain water purified by filtration through the wings of angels has ever passed through these kidneys! [/smug]


You lie like a Persian rug.

/is that rasist'?
 
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