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(The Hill)   "First, they came for our healthcare, then they took away our light bulbs, and raided our nation's most iconic guitar company -- now they are coming after our ceiling fans"   (thehill.com) divider line 187
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2013-07-10 06:00:18 PM
101 farking pages of regulations on ceiling fans? The sequestration definitely didn't cut deep enough.
 
2013-07-10 06:17:27 PM
Jesus H. Christ, these fartkard Republicans just have to be crybabies about something each and every farking day.
 
2013-07-10 06:31:19 PM

clancifer: Jesus H. Christ, these fartkard Republicans just have to be crybabies about something each and every farking day.


So, being against stupid shiat brought up by envirotards is bad?
Obamites are f*cking idiots!
 
2013-07-10 06:47:37 PM

jehovahs witness protection: clancifer: Jesus H. Christ, these fartkard Republicans just have to be crybabies about something each and every farking day.

So, being against stupid shiat brought up by envirotards is bad?
Obamites are f*cking idiots!


First off, no one seized anyone's healthcare.  Insurance companies were not nationalized.  Second, the light bulb rules were part of regulations put forth by the Bush administration, not Obama's.  Third, this is just an update to make sure we, as a country, are using our energy wisely.  Ceiling fans are a simple part of that matrix.  Unless, of course, you think we should just be burning coal needlessly.

Wait, you'r a conservative... don't answer that.
 
2013-07-10 06:51:55 PM

clancifer: jehovahs witness protection: clancifer: Jesus H. Christ, these fartkard Republicans just have to be crybabies about something each and every farking day.

So, being against stupid shiat brought up by envirotards is bad?
Obamites are f*cking idiots!

First off, no one seized anyone's healthcare.  Insurance companies were not nationalized.  Second, the light bulb rules were part of regulations put forth by the Bush administration, not Obama's.  Third, this is just an update to make sure we, as a country, are using our energy wisely.  Ceiling fans are a simple part of that matrix.  Unless, of course, you think we should just be burning coal needlessly.

Wait, you'r a conservative... don't answer that.


Oh, I left out the guitar non-issue, in which Gibson agreed to the settlement in lieu of criminal charges and paid $300,000+.   Anything else you want to add?
 
2013-07-10 06:56:00 PM

dj_bigbird: 101 farking pages of regulations on ceiling fans? The sequestration definitely didn't cut deep enough.


101 farking pages on regulations that were just updated in 2005.
 
2013-07-10 07:30:03 PM
If you scream loud enough and often, eventually one of these "worse than a thousand Watergates" will actually be something.  You weren't able to take down Obama over mustard-gate or arugula-gate.  The sneaky devil somehow got out of mom-jeans-gate entirely unscathed.  If ceiling-fan-gate doesn't bring down this most gated of all administrations, maybe broccoli-gate will do it.

Why won't people take these startling accusations seriously?
 
2013-07-10 08:08:11 PM

FloydA: If you scream loud enough and often, eventually one of these "worse than a thousand Watergates" will actually be something.  You weren't able to take down Obama over mustard-gate or arugula-gate.  The sneaky devil somehow got out of mom-jeans-gate entirely unscathed.  If ceiling-fan-gate doesn't bring down this most gated of all administrations, maybe broccoli-gate will do it.

Why won't people take these startling accusations seriously?


Expecially if they're using "excessive regulatory tentacles." The use of tentacles to enforce regulations is un-American. Leave that weird crap to the Japanese.
 
2013-07-10 08:36:10 PM
"These counterproductive regulations will only drive up the prices of ceiling fans and encourage the use of less energy efficient cooling systems," he added.

Yeah, Obama done took my seelin' fans. Imma crank the A/C. That'll show fartbong0.
 
2013-07-10 08:55:09 PM
 
2013-07-10 08:55:22 PM
Seems unnecessary. Not to the drama queen extent of the headline, though
 
2013-07-10 09:00:52 PM
Most iconic?
When I think guitar  encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.comOrencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-10 09:19:50 PM

spongeboob: Most iconic?
When I think guitar  [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]Or[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 391x129]


Both are equally so, and you know that. I own both, just depends on your favorite kind of music as to which is more iconic.

/SRV so three Strats and one Les Paul
 
2013-07-10 09:19:56 PM

spongeboob: Most iconic?
When I think guitar  [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]Or[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 391x129]


I prefer Gibsons all the way and even I don't think they're more iconic than Fenders.  Though it is funny that your "Strat" is a Guitar Hero guitar.

\maybe it's just that my first Fender had a bad spot on the neck that turned me off of them, no clue....
 
2013-07-10 09:22:31 PM
This surely is Obama's ceilingfanghazi.
 
2013-07-10 09:29:17 PM
What does anybody care? These regulations are for the manufacturers of the fans, so it's none of our concern.
 
2013-07-10 09:34:44 PM
I'd like a reasonable explanation as to why they need 101 pages to regulate ceiling fans.  Really?  This is your priority?
 
2013-07-10 09:49:27 PM
It's true.  You can expect to pay 50% more because the manufacturer will be paying the Chinese worker and 25 cents to put in an extra 50 cents worth of parts.

Poor manufacturers, how Obama must loath them so (if you're not paying any attention to reality)
 
2013-07-10 09:59:12 PM
In March, the department began the process of issuing new rules for ceiling fans' energy efficiency by  issuing a 101-page  framework. The proposal would also set energy standards for ceiling fans when in off or standby modes.

Ummm, if it's off shouldn't the energy usage be somewhere around zero?  Obama or any other administration, a 101 page UPDATE to energy efficiency standards is a case of bureaucrats justifying their pay checks.
 
2013-07-10 10:05:50 PM

FriarReb98: spongeboob: Most iconic?
When I think guitar  [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]Or[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 391x129]

I prefer Gibsons all the way and even I don't think they're more iconic than Fenders.  Though it is funny that your "Strat" is a Guitar Hero guitar.

\maybe it's just that my first Fender had a bad spot on the neck that turned me off of them, no clue....


Now that is some major fail on my part.
 
2013-07-10 10:10:06 PM
At first I thought the headline was a joke but some dipshait actually said this.
 
2013-07-10 10:12:50 PM
Republicans fighting for our rights to buy ineffective ceiling fans and energy-wasting light bulbs.

No surprise, they also fight our right to ship as much money as possible to Saudi Arabia
 
2013-07-10 10:13:12 PM
For fark's sake, the document is linked to  right in the article. It is NOT 101 page of regulations. In fact, it's not any regulations at all. It's an explanation of the rule making process and how the DOE plans on updating the standards.
 
2013-07-10 10:15:43 PM

remus: I'd like a reasonable explanation as to why they need 101 pages to regulate ceiling fans.  Really?  This is your priority?


The regulation is linked in the article:

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EERE-2012-BT-STD-0045- 00 01

Most of it is analysis.
 
2013-07-10 10:17:12 PM

jaytkay: No surprise, they also fight our right to ship as much money as possible to Saudi Arabia Kentucky, Wyoming and West Virgina


FIxed for you.  Electricity is pretty much domestically produced.  Fuel on the other hand...
 
2013-07-10 10:17:34 PM
Have you seen the way 0bama eats a Marther Farkin' CRACKER?
 
2013-07-10 10:20:46 PM

Dufus: In March, the department began the process of issuing new rules for ceiling fans' energy efficiency by  issuing a 101-page  framework. The proposal would also set energy standards for ceiling fans when in off or standby modes.

Ummm, if it's off shouldn't the energy usage be somewhere around zero?  Obama or any other administration, a 101 page UPDATE to energy efficiency standards is a case of bureaucrats justifying their pay checks.


I don't know about off being around zero for usage, the last couple of cell phones that I have had tell me to unplug the charger when not charging the phone to save electricity, so I assume just being connect draws some fraction on an amp.
 
2013-07-10 10:22:22 PM
i.imgur.com
There. Now can we all please shut up about the light bulbs?
 
2013-07-10 10:23:47 PM

clancifer: Second, the light bulb rules were part of regulations put forth by the Bush administration, not Obama's.


Going on a tangent, but I love how all of the media outlets that reported that incandescent light bulbs would be banned under that law.  Last I checked, a halogen bulb was still an incandescent, and halogen bulbs are still perfectly legal.


As for the report linked in the article, a huge portion of it is simply background and statistical material.  You really have to dig around to find the regulations.  And the background stuff was actually a bit useful.  There are a few things I learned for the next time I go to buy a fan.
 
2013-07-10 10:23:57 PM

Dufus: In March, the department began the process of issuing new rules for ceiling fans' energy efficiency by  issuing a 101-page  framework. The proposal would also set energy standards for ceiling fans when in off or standby modes.

Ummm, if it's off shouldn't the energy usage be somewhere around zero?  Obama or any other administration, a 101 page UPDATE to energy efficiency standards is a case of bureaucrats justifying their pay checks.


4.1.1 Modes of Operation for Ceiling Fans and Ceiling Fan Light Kits
Ceiling fans and ceiling fan light kits have distinct modes of operation, and each mode has a corresponding rate or rates of electrical energy consumption. DOE plans to label those modes as active mode, standby mode, and off mode. DOE is proposing the following definitions related to potential ceiling fan and ceiling fan light kit modes of operation:
 Active mode is the mode of operation during which the ceiling fan blades are in motion. Ceiling fans are currently required to have adjustable speed controls (either more than 1 speed or variable speed). Ceiling fans are also required to be able to operate such that the fan blades are rotating in the reverse direction of normal operation (with the exception of fans sold for industrial or outdoor applications or in cases where safety standards would be violated). When the blades rotate in reverse, the ceiling fan can enhance room heating by recirculating warm air trapped near the ceiling throughout the room. This direction usually only has one speed option. For ceiling fan light kits, active mode is the mode of operation during which the light is on. Standby mode is a power consumption mode that cannot be switched off, or influenced, by the user and that may persist for an indefinite time when the ceiling fan and/or ceiling fan light kit is connected to the main electricity supply and used in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions. Standby mode is a non-operational mode when compared to the ceiling fan or ceiling fan light kit's primary function -- moving air or providing light. Energy consumed by a motion sensor, remote control receiver, or other standby device that continues to draw power during fan and/or light inactivity, should be included when measuring standby power consumption.
 Off mode is defined as the condition when the ceiling fan and/or ceiling fan light kit is connected to the main power source but is not providing any standby mode or active mode function. For ceiling fans and/or ceiling fan light kits, this is the mode of operation during which the product is not powered, since ceiling fans and light kits are hard-wired into a home's electrical system and draw no power when not in active mode or standby mode.
 
2013-07-10 10:25:38 PM

HeadLever: jaytkay: No surprise, they also fight our right to ship as much money as possible to Saudi Arabia Kentucky, Wyoming and West Virgina

FIxed for you.  Electricity is pretty much domestically produced.  Fuel on the other hand...


Fixed for you.

I was [maybe not so clearly] referring to petroleum. Republicans have been fighting against fuel efficient vehicles for decades.
 
2013-07-10 10:30:03 PM

PanicMan: remus: I'd like a reasonable explanation as to why they need 101 pages to regulate ceiling fans.  Really?  This is your priority?

The regulation is linked in the article:

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EERE-2012-BT-STD-0045- 00 01

Most of it is analysis.


Yep, analysis, test methods, definitions, etc...

And if you could find the testing framework from 2005, I suspect most of it is copied from there.

Non issue.
 
2013-07-10 10:32:10 PM
I thought Martin was our most iconic guitar company.
 
2013-07-10 10:36:14 PM

spongeboob: I don't know about off being around zero for usage, the last couple of cell phones that I have had tell me to unplug the charger when not charging the phone to save electricity, so I assume just being connect draws some fraction on an amp.


Somebody can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that in your typical 120 VAC to x VDC power supply, you're going to have a trickle of power flowing because the DC smoothing part of the circuit is always running.

Typical circuit goes: transformer (voltage drop), diodes (rectification), capacitors running parallel to the load and a choke running serial to the load (smoothing of DC ripple).  If the main circuit goes to open, you still have those caps passing a small amount of ripple.
 
2013-07-10 10:36:26 PM
 
2013-07-10 10:39:42 PM

jaylectricity: What does anybody care? These regulations are for the manufacturers of the fans, so it's none of our concern.


It affects a business owner, which means someone spent some money to purchase a modicum of Republican outrage, which is why they're rousing the rabble about it. That's why we get the "...they're coming for our..." language, to equate themselves to the rabble.
 
2013-07-10 10:40:29 PM
How dare the government push companies into improving their products!
 
2013-07-10 10:44:05 PM

MrEricSir: How dare the government push companies into improving their products!


Can't have that - the government is clearly stifling innovation by... forcing innovation... waitaminute...
 
2013-07-10 10:47:47 PM

FloydA: If you scream loud enough and often, eventually one of these "worse than a thousand Watergates" will actually be something.  You weren't able to take down Obama over mustard-gate or arugula-gate.  The sneaky devil somehow got out of mom-jeans-gate entirely unscathed.  If ceiling-fan-gate doesn't bring down this most gated of all administrations, maybe broccoli-gate will do it.

Why won't people take these startling accusations seriously?




The fact that we can't find anything that sticks to Obama proves he's pretty much a do-nothing president...except for that whole attacking Libya thing.
 
2013-07-10 10:48:04 PM

Ivo Shandor: [i.imgur.com image 401x234]
There. Now can we all please shut up about the light bulbs?


I'll see your 72W for 1490 lumens
and raise(?) you 12W LED 1490 lumens...
www.sonnetek.com
 
2013-07-10 10:51:30 PM

snowshovel: FloydA: If you scream loud enough and often, eventually one of these "worse than a thousand Watergates" will actually be something.  You weren't able to take down Obama over mustard-gate or arugula-gate.  The sneaky devil somehow got out of mom-jeans-gate entirely unscathed.  If ceiling-fan-gate doesn't bring down this most gated of all administrations, maybe broccoli-gate will do it.

Why won't people take these startling accusations seriously?

The fact that we can't find anything that sticks to Obama proves he's pretty much a do-nothing president...except for that whole attacking Libya thing.


So in your world there is no Obamacare? Sweet now maybe Republicans can quit trying to repeal it and get to work.
 
2013-07-10 10:59:22 PM
I remember when she was sorta hot in a Stifler's Mom kinda way. Unfortunately, those days are past and she seems to have degraded into 'Crazy Cat Lady' territory (or perhaps 'old woman yells at cloud').
 
2013-07-10 11:01:51 PM

sno man: and raise(?) you 12W LED 1490 lumens...


LEDs win on efficiency but they cost more, sometimes have a wonky color spectrum, and don't fit into many fixtures designed for traditional incandescents. The new halogen ones are direct drop-in replacements for the old bulbs. The both have a place in the market.
 
2013-07-10 11:01:53 PM

spongeboob: Sweet now maybe Republicans can quit trying to repeal it and get to work.


But DO they want to repeal it? My Rep has flip-flopped in the last two weeks. Now he thinks the employee mandate is a GOOD thing. I mean, there's no possible way they're just against Obamacare because Obama's for it, right? That'd be stupid and wrong.

"Open Enrollment for Obamacare starts in just 100 days. That means 100 days until the cost of business and providing for your family increases. "
   -David Reichert (H-R), June 24, 2013

"The news about the administration's decision to delay the employer mandate is concerning. It's still not helping hardworking Americans and their families. "
   -David Reichert (H-R), July 3, 2013

"I encourage you all to read Chairman Brady's opening statement from today's Health Subcommittee hearing on the delay of the Obamacare Employer Mandate. This delay only further adds to the confusion and questions we have about Obamacare and the Administration's faith in their own law. (-Dave)"
   -David Reichert (H-R), July 10, 2013

/all from his FB feed
 
2013-07-10 11:02:39 PM

Ivo Shandor: The both have a place in the market.


s/The/They/
 
2013-07-10 11:04:04 PM

Grumpyoldgeek: I thought Martin was our most iconic guitar company.


No love?

www.productwiki.com

A perfectly good guitar.
 
2013-07-10 11:06:27 PM
What's next. Nipple rings. A tax on whining?
 
2013-07-10 11:06:49 PM

remus: I'd like a reasonable explanation as to why they need 101 pages to regulate ceiling fans.  Really?  This is your priority?


It's probably double-spaced, so it's only really 50.5 pages.
 
2013-07-10 11:09:33 PM
jaytkay: I was [maybe not so clearly] referring to petroleum

Which has little to do with ineffective ceiling fans and energy-wasting light bulbs.
 
2013-07-10 11:09:56 PM

spongeboob: Dufus: In March, the department began the process of issuing new rules for ceiling fans' energy efficiency by  issuing a 101-page  framework. The proposal would also set energy standards for ceiling fans when in off or standby modes.

Ummm, if it's off shouldn't the energy usage be somewhere around zero?  Obama or any other administration, a 101 page UPDATE to energy efficiency standards is a case of bureaucrats justifying their pay checks.

I don't know about off being around zero for usage, the last couple of cell phones that I have had tell me to unplug the charger when not charging the phone to save electricity, so I assume just being connect draws some fraction on an amp.


Transformers (cellphone chargers and any of the "wallwarts") do use small amounts of power even when not in use. TV's and stereos do as well to give you that nearly instant on feature.

Most ceiling fans do not use a transformer unless they have a remote control or low voltage control. Those use no power when turned off.

If they have a remote they use power in stand-by waiting for some lazy idiot to turn the fan on with his wireless remote rather than a simple wall switch (no stand-by power use). Sometimes the old ways are just simpler AND use less power.
 
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