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2013-07-10 04:19:23 PM
Personally, I'd have gone with "John Rocker's retirement made baseball a better game".  But to each his own, I suppose.
 
2013-07-10 04:20:38 PM
For every competitive sport, there should be a steroid league in addition to "pure" leagues. If you get caught using steroids in the regular league, you just get shipped over to the other league. If you get caught  not using steroids in the steroid league, you get fired and you have to pay back the remainder of your contract. Sure, you won't live past 40, but what a ride it will be.
 
2013-07-10 04:45:37 PM
Huh. I just learned via Wikipedia that Rocker is writing a column for WorldNetDaily.

I mean, it's a perfect gig for him and I'm sure he fits right in, but before this headline, I don't think I'd heard his name in any context for about a decade.

Shine on, you crazy diamond.
 
2013-07-10 04:54:33 PM
Baseball would never have recovered after the strike without 'roids.
 
2013-07-10 05:00:04 PM

GreenAdder: For every competitive sport, there should be a steroid league in addition to "pure" leagues. If you get caught using steroids in the regular league, you just get shipped over to the other league. If you get caught  not using steroids in the steroid league, you get fired and you have to pay back the remainder of your contract. Sure, you won't live past 40, but what a ride it will be.


In reality, the new league would be the "pure" league with all the extra anti-doping rules.
 
2013-07-10 05:10:35 PM
I'm watching a lot of the Tour de France, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread so far.

I'm old enough (53) to remember the pre-'roids era and I liked baseball just fine back then. Of course, I think there's more to baseball than 101 mph pitches and 500 feet home runs, so I'm biased that way. The problem I see with Rockers proposal is that instead of "OMG! Bonds is a juicer oh noes!!!" it'll be "Too bad that Bond's chemist was better than Rafael Palmeiro's".
 
2013-07-10 05:11:10 PM
I'll never figure out why this bothers people so much. Oh, I know all the rationales, but in the end they are making a choice and you're paying to see grown men play a game.
 
2013-07-10 05:11:14 PM
Did racism and homophobia help baseball too?
 
2013-07-10 05:13:11 PM
snl.jt.org

I take steroids........I love my dad....
Shut up! None of you queers are half the man my dad is!
 
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2013-07-10 05:14:50 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Personally, I'd have gone with "John Rocker's retirement made baseball a better game".  But to each his own, I suppose.


Well said!!
 
2013-07-10 05:17:49 PM
John Rocker was at my local minor league park earlier this year, pushing his book.

I thought, "maybe he had some sort of growing up process and is on his 'sorry i was a shiatheel' apology tour.. good for him"

the "Speak English!" tshirts he was selling at the table told me otherwise.
 
2013-07-10 05:37:21 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Baseball would never have recovered after the strike without 'roids.


Chicks dig the long ball.
 
2013-07-10 05:39:28 PM
Yeah, and flying D-cell batteries at Shea made you a better pitcher.

/not condoning it
 
2013-07-10 05:49:31 PM
We need more Melanie Collins and her leather dress.
 
2013-07-10 05:50:25 PM
I'll agree... because once they began cracking down, the game got better than it had been in years, and those a-holes Bonds* and Clemens retired.
 
2013-07-10 05:57:26 PM
Steroids makes everything better.
 
2013-07-10 05:58:04 PM

Henry Holland: I'm watching a lot of the Tour de France, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread so far.

I'm old enough (53) to remember the pre-'roids era and I liked baseball just fine back then. Of course, I think there's more to baseball than 101 mph pitches and 500 feet home runs, so I'm biased that way. The problem I see with Rockers proposal is that instead of "OMG! Bonds is a juicer oh noes!!!" it'll be "Too bad that Bond's chemist was better than Rafael Palmeiro's".


So you were watching baseball in 1950? Steroids have been around a long, long, long time.
 
2013-07-10 06:01:29 PM

you are a puppet: [snl.jt.org image 200x150]

I take steroids........I love my dad....
Shut up! None of you queers are half the man my dad is!


The aforementioned SNL skit...
 
2013-07-10 06:10:44 PM
They reportedly ate handfuls of bennies in the 70s just to get through the season, and no one's asking for those records to be wiped. At least they (can) have doctors dole this stuff out.
 
2013-07-10 06:24:24 PM
If his eyes were any closer together, he'd be a cyclops.
 
2013-07-10 06:36:23 PM
I always think it's weird that steroids for pain/health are totally cool (in some cases) and steroids for strength are not.

Isn't cortisone a steroid shot? I never cared about the steroid argument that much. If they wanted to go after it, so be it. But there's a lot of arbitrary-ness to the whole thing.

The media seemed to focus a lot on who they didn't like (Bonds/Clemens/A-Rod) and downplayed those they didn't mind as much (Pettite/McGwire/Melky Cabrera)
 
2013-07-10 06:37:24 PM
For the sake of all my fantasy sports teams I wish they would mandate steroids and hgh. Sick of seeing dl15 and dtd next to half my team
 
2013-07-10 06:37:34 PM
Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or would you rather watch Mark McGwire hit a few dingers?
 
2013-07-10 06:41:09 PM
I like how he cites the 1998 home run chase as an example, even though there was no way in hell that Sosa and McGwire could reach that accomplishment using the same things that were available to Roger Maris.
 
2013-07-10 06:41:55 PM
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2013-07-10 06:42:22 PM

Henry Holland: I'm watching a lot of the Tour de France, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread so far.


Wouldn't you love to have the stuff that Chris Froome is using.

Even Lance Armstrong thinks that guy is too obvious about his doping.
 
2013-07-10 06:45:50 PM
Step 1: Stop pretending baseball and its records are "sacred"
Step 2: Legalize steroids - it's time to see how far the human body can go. Push baseball players to the limits.
Step 3: Baseball won't be more boring than the WNBA anymore.

You're welcome.
 
2013-07-10 06:54:34 PM
Sure, why not. It's only a game and baseball is taken way too seriously. So what players were juiced up. Wasn't everyone then, hitters as well as pitchers? It's no one's fault that MLB turned a blind eye towards drug use until they got bad press for it.
 
2013-07-10 07:06:32 PM

GreenAdder: For every competitive sport, there should be a steroid league in addition to "pure" leagues. If you get caught using steroids in the regular league, you just get shipped over to the other league. If you get caught not using steroids in the steroid league, you get fired and you have to pay back the remainder of your contract. Sure, you won't live past 40, but what a ride it will be.

The end.

FTFY
 
2013-07-10 07:11:23 PM

PowerSlacker: I like how he cites the 1998 home run chase as an example, even though there was no way in hell that Sosa and McGwire could reach that accomplishment using the same things that were available to Roger Maris.


Uhh, you do know steroids have been around since the 40s, right? There is some evidence that Maris was juicing during the '61 season. Supposedly, Mantle got some juice for healing his knee and he told Maris about it. Again, pure rumor, but that is what it is.

Oh, and why is Lasik allowed but steroids are not? And why the fark are they illegal?
 
2013-07-10 07:35:12 PM

machoprogrammer: PowerSlacker: I like how he cites the 1998 home run chase as an example, even though there was no way in hell that Sosa and McGwire could reach that accomplishment using the same things that were available to Roger Maris.

Uhh, you do know steroids have been around since the 40s, right? There is some evidence that Maris was juicing during the '61 season. Supposedly, Mantle got some juice for healing his knee and he told Maris about it. Again, pure rumor, but that is what it is.

Oh, and why is Lasik allowed but steroids are not? And why the fark are they illegal?


Then there is Tom House. A pitcher from the 70's that admitted to steroid use in the 70's and has claimed that 6 or seven pitchers on every MLB staff were using steroids or HGH in the 70's.
 
2013-07-10 07:42:35 PM
Nice to see retirement hasn't stopped Rocker from being a complete shiathead.

/Mets fan
//seriously, fark you, Rocker
 
2013-07-10 07:46:21 PM
He's right
 
2013-07-10 07:47:32 PM
Shut up, Rocker, you cock-eyed mongoloid.
 
2013-07-10 07:49:39 PM

ongbok: machoprogrammer: PowerSlacker: I like how he cites the 1998 home run chase as an example, even though there was no way in hell that Sosa and McGwire could reach that accomplishment using the same things that were available to Roger Maris.

Uhh, you do know steroids have been around since the 40s, right? There is some evidence that Maris was juicing during the '61 season. Supposedly, Mantle got some juice for healing his knee and he told Maris about it. Again, pure rumor, but that is what it is.

Oh, and why is Lasik allowed but steroids are not? And why the fark are they illegal?

Then there is Tom House. A pitcher from the 70's that admitted to steroid use in the 70's and has claimed that 6 or seven pitchers on every MLB staff were using steroids or HGH in the 70's.


Exactly. That is why it is hilarious that everyone thinks guys in the 60s and 70s were clean. Steroids were used in the early 50s (and possibly earlier) by Russian weight lifters at the olympics. Most people have no idea how steroids work and think only huge, muscular guys take them. Most pro athletes take them for recovery more so than the added muscle.
 
2013-07-10 07:54:29 PM

machoprogrammer: ongbok: machoprogrammer: PowerSlacker: I like how he cites the 1998 home run chase as an example, even though there was no way in hell that Sosa and McGwire could reach that accomplishment using the same things that were available to Roger Maris.

Uhh, you do know steroids have been around since the 40s, right? There is some evidence that Maris was juicing during the '61 season. Supposedly, Mantle got some juice for healing his knee and he told Maris about it. Again, pure rumor, but that is what it is.

Oh, and why is Lasik allowed but steroids are not? And why the fark are they illegal?

Then there is Tom House. A pitcher from the 70's that admitted to steroid use in the 70's and has claimed that 6 or seven pitchers on every MLB staff were using steroids or HGH in the 70's.

Exactly. That is why it is hilarious that everyone thinks guys in the 60s and 70s were clean. Steroids were used in the early 50s (and possibly earlier) by Russian weight lifters at the olympics. Most people have no idea how steroids work and think only huge, muscular guys take them. Most pro athletes take them for recovery more so than the added muscle.


Another thing. We know that steroids and HGH were used openly in the NFL in the 50's and 60's. Do people think that baseball players didn't talk to football players back then for tips on getting stronger? It is silly to think that steroids weren't being used by players in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Most of the players who used them back then won't admit especially after all of the hubbub that was caused after Balco.
 
2013-07-10 07:57:27 PM
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank John Rocker for probably inspiring someone to create Eastbound and Down.
 
2013-07-10 08:03:28 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I'll never figure out why this bothers people so much. Oh, I know all the rationales, but in the end they are making a choice and you're paying to see grown men play a game.


The problem is, it's not young men.  To get to the majors, you have to start juicing young.  It creates a whole culture that makes juicing ok because everyone looks the other way.  Steroids really mess people up, but the damage is long term while the benefits are immediate.
 
2013-07-10 08:25:12 PM

feanorn: They reportedly ate handfuls of bennies in the 70s just to get through the season, and no one's asking for those records to be wiped. At least they (can) have doctors dole this stuff out.


Bennies make you jittery as all hell, though. Sounds like a hindrance rather than an enhancement.
 
2013-07-10 08:34:52 PM
he had to do roids just so he felt safe on the 7 train
 
2013-07-10 08:39:11 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: To get to the majors, you have to start juicing young.


Really? Barry Bonds won three MVP awards before he was on the juice. Mark McGwire was on the back end of his career, Sammy Sosa, Lance Armstrong, etc. None of them was what the sports world would consider "young".
 
2013-07-10 08:56:08 PM

SevenizGud: GreenAdder: For every competitive sport, there should be a steroid league in addition to "pure" leagues. If you get caught using steroids in the regular league, you just get shipped over to the other league. If you get caught not using steroids in the steroid league, you get fired and you have to pay back the remainder of your contract. Sure, you won't live past 40, but what a ride it will be. The end.

FTFY


Not bad, it could be the Streetball of sports
 
2013-07-10 09:12:27 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-10 09:26:05 PM

ongbok: machoprogrammer: ongbok: machoprogrammer: PowerSlacker: I like how he cites the 1998 home run chase as an example, even though there was no way in hell that Sosa and McGwire could reach that accomplishment using the same things that were available to Roger Maris.

Uhh, you do know steroids have been around since the 40s, right? There is some evidence that Maris was juicing during the '61 season. Supposedly, Mantle got some juice for healing his knee and he told Maris about it. Again, pure rumor, but that is what it is.

Oh, and why is Lasik allowed but steroids are not? And why the fark are they illegal?

Then there is Tom House. A pitcher from the 70's that admitted to steroid use in the 70's and has claimed that 6 or seven pitchers on every MLB staff were using steroids or HGH in the 70's.

Exactly. That is why it is hilarious that everyone thinks guys in the 60s and 70s were clean. Steroids were used in the early 50s (and possibly earlier) by Russian weight lifters at the olympics. Most people have no idea how steroids work and think only huge, muscular guys take them. Most pro athletes take them for recovery more so than the added muscle.

Another thing. We know that steroids and HGH were used openly in the NFL in the 50's and 60's. Do people think that baseball players didn't talk to football players back then for tips on getting stronger? It is silly to think that steroids weren't being used by players in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Most of the players who used them back then won't admit especially after all of the hubbub that was caused after Balco.


Don't you know anything?  Obviously baseball was completely 100% squeaky clean when most sportswriters of today were 10 years old and their childhood heroes were on the field.  It was only later, when the records of said heroes of yesteryear started to fall that steroids became in widespread use (how else could anything done both those supreme beings of the past possibly be exceeded by any mere mortal today?!?).  God, read a book or something... (/sarcasm)

In other news, most every account I've read from the deadball era ("Glory of Their Times", Cobbs' autobiography, various other player biographies) speaks of at least one player on the team of whoever recounted the story trying some form of "snake oil"--typically to no measurable effect, which the others on the team got a good laugh out of.  The fact that these oddball formulas weren't effective is less important than the fact that there were numerous players who were documented to try dubious means to artificially improve their performance.  Even if they weren't as effective as modern steroids, the willingness to use performance-enhancing drugs, regardless of their safety or legality, goes back just about as far as written accounts of the game.
 
2013-07-10 09:41:25 PM
a home run ball that goes into the lights and explodes is more exciting than a routine ground ball.

cant remember who said it, but damn if it isnt true.
 
2013-07-10 09:56:54 PM
He's a racist loudmouth but he's probably right about this.  I went to an Orioles-Giants game in Baltimore in 2004 at the height of steroid-mania and there was an absolute buzz in the ballpark that night.  It was a random June night for a team who was going to finish under .500 once again but the atmosphere was like a playoff game -- it was circus-like to see what Barry Bonds would do next.

They actually walked Bonds 4 times during the game and the Orioles fans were booing their own team for doing it.  I don't know if I'll ever see anything that bizarre/electric. We all knew but we didn't care.
 
2013-07-10 09:58:13 PM
baseball thread?

KAWASAKI BOMB
 
2013-07-10 10:02:58 PM

TheMatchHare: ongbok: machoprogrammer: ongbok: machoprogrammer: PowerSlacker: I like how he cites the 1998 home run chase as an example, even though there was no way in hell that Sosa and McGwire could reach that accomplishment using the same things that were available to Roger Maris.

Uhh, you do know steroids have been around since the 40s, right? There is some evidence that Maris was juicing during the '61 season. Supposedly, Mantle got some juice for healing his knee and he told Maris about it. Again, pure rumor, but that is what it is.

Oh, and why is Lasik allowed but steroids are not? And why the fark are they illegal?

Then there is Tom House. A pitcher from the 70's that admitted to steroid use in the 70's and has claimed that 6 or seven pitchers on every MLB staff were using steroids or HGH in the 70's.

Exactly. That is why it is hilarious that everyone thinks guys in the 60s and 70s were clean. Steroids were used in the early 50s (and possibly earlier) by Russian weight lifters at the olympics. Most people have no idea how steroids work and think only huge, muscular guys take them. Most pro athletes take them for recovery more so than the added muscle.

Another thing. We know that steroids and HGH were used openly in the NFL in the 50's and 60's. Do people think that baseball players didn't talk to football players back then for tips on getting stronger? It is silly to think that steroids weren't being used by players in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Most of the players who used them back then won't admit especially after all of the hubbub that was caused after Balco.

Don't you know anything?  Obviously baseball was completely 100% squeaky clean when most sportswriters of today were 10 years old and their childhood heroes were on the field.  It was only later, when the records of said heroes of yesteryear started to fall that steroids became in widespread use (how else could anything done both those supreme beings of the past possibly be exceeded by any mere mortal today?

!?).  God, read a book or something... (/sarcasm)

In other news, most every account I've read from the deadball era ("<a rel="nofollow" data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glory_of_Their_T imes" target="_blank">Glory of Their Times", Cobbs' autobiography, various other player biographies) speaks of at least one player on the team of whoever recounted the story trying some form of "snake oil"--typically to no measurable effect, which the others on the team got a good laugh out of.  The fact that these oddball formulas weren't effective is less important than the fact that there were numerous players who were documented to try dubious means to artificially improve their performance.  Even if they weren't as effective as modern steroids, the willingness to use performance-enhancing drugs, regardless of their safety or legality, goes back just about as far as written accounts of the game.

Yeah I remember a story about some player using monkey hormones back in the 20's.
 
2013-07-10 10:04:52 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I'll never figure out why this bothers people so much. Oh, I know all the rationales, but in the end they are making a choice and you're paying to see grown men play a game.


Your assumption that "they are making a choice" is invalid.  The biggest problem is that they don't get to make a choice; they have to use the steroids or lose their jobs.
 
2013-07-10 10:08:00 PM

meanmutton: Your assumption that "they are making a choice" is invalid. The biggest problem is that they don't get to make a choice; they have to use the steroids or lose their jobs.


Bull. Nobody has to do anything to keep a job. They can do something else. It may not be what they want to do, but that's a choice they have to make for themselves.
 
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