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(PBS)   Feeling good about yourself because your concern about "blood diamonds" caused you to forego the traditional engagement ring and opt for a plain gold band instead? Ummm, yeah, about that gold   (pbs.org) divider line 162
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2013-07-10 04:35:19 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Carousel Beast: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Wangiss: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.

The people who died for it may be long dead but it was the materials for old jewelry were probably mined in the most horrific conditions imaginable. Spanish mines in the Americas, where most silver is from, made the conditions in the article look like a holiday resort.

Is there a statue of limitations for blood items? It's not ok to but them directly but to buy them second hand years later is fine?

You understand that your comfy, modern civilization was built upon millennia of what you'd consider the most abhorrent barbarism, right? So, either accept that bad things happened in the past and you can't change it, and focus on prevention of bad things in the future, or just go kill yourself so you're not exploiting thousands of generations of poor, suffering humanity so you can post on Fark.

Wow. I was asking a semiserious question but it's ok, go ahead and freak out. When do blood minerals stop being blood minerals? When those who initially profited from them are dead? At some point we get to stop feeling bad about making jewelry out of blood diamonds so when does that happen?


Depends on how much we sympathize with the victims.

Blood diamonds? Just look the other way.
Holocaust dental gold? Oh hell naw.
 
2013-07-10 04:35:26 PM
CZ's set in silver. . .it goes kind of like this:

"I couldn't wear that.  Everyone would know!"  Then, it's  "Hey!  That ring fell overboard!  Oh, well, I can just get another.  Or, you know, three. . ."  After that, it's, "Nobody ever gets it right about which one is real and which isn't.  Why on earth would I bother paying for the real stuff?"

CZ's are like potato chips, bet you can't wear just one.  Also, lab-created sapphires and rubies. . .indistinguishable from the dug-up ones because they're too perfect.  Yeah, there's a hard decision.
 
2013-07-10 04:35:33 PM

rikkitikkitavi: CapeFearCadaver: I still better get a goddamn diamond.

You sound like you'll be disappointed. Frequently.


You sound like you miss jokes and have no idea what sarcasm means and stand there gaping at people in utter confusion. Frequently.
 
2013-07-10 04:39:00 PM
The whole freaking planet is built on blood and blood sacrifices.  The only reasons we have computers is because of the slaves squashed under the pyramids during it's construction.  Don't be taking people's jobs away.
 
2013-07-10 04:39:42 PM

Beeblebrox: Calmamity: Why someone would pay a bunch of money for a clear rock OR a bunch of smudgy yellow metal is absolutely beyond me.

Fortunately my wife feels the same. We used our money as a down payment on a house. That we live in.

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Because rock money would be better spent paying down the principal of their home loan, that's why not.
 
2013-07-10 04:40:47 PM

super_grass: Jewelry is like a good suit or well-designed car. It elevates you socially and improves your standing among peers, helping you secure future social and monetary advancements.

It is as useless as a peacock's feathers.


So it's good for attracting mates then?
 
2013-07-10 04:41:13 PM

super_grass: Wow. I was asking a semiserious question but it's ok, go ahead and freak out. When do blood minerals stop being blood minerals? When those who initially profited from them are dead? At some point we get to stop feeling bad about making jewelry out of blood diamonds so when does that happen?

Depends on how much we sympathize with the victims.

Blood diamonds? Just look the other way.
Holocaust dental gold? Oh hell naw.


That's probably the saddest most accurate answer there is.
 
2013-07-10 04:42:35 PM

hstell: CZ's set in silver. . .it goes kind of like this:

"I couldn't wear that.  Everyone would know!"  Then, it's  "Hey!  That ring fell overboard!  Oh, well, I can just get another.  Or, you know, three. . ."  After that, it's, "Nobody ever gets it right about which one is real and which isn't.  Why on earth would I bother paying for the real stuff?"

CZ's are like potato chips, bet you can't wear just one.  Also, lab-created sapphires and rubies. . .distinguishable from the dug-up ones because they're too perfect.  Yeah, there's a hard decision.

 
2013-07-10 04:44:19 PM

Wangiss: My ring is Titanium and is all scratched up after 8 years.  If I got another, it would be tungsten for sure.


Mine got a fair bit scratched up in the 3 years I wore it- but it still looked good, and weighted NOTHING even with the Pt inset band. A Tungsten ring of the same volume would weigh roughly 4x what the Ti would...
 
2013-07-10 04:44:33 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Smeggy Smurf: The diamonds are mere chips.  The rubies came from a lab.  My lack of caring about the suffering of those who will do nothing to defend themselves is huge.


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^children mine workers^


The adults have taken up arms before. Guess how that worked out for them...
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^mine workers on strike^

/My lack of caring about farkwits posting on fark is huge.


Thanks for posting this.

Was well aware of the strikers but hadn't seen photos.  More f--king people should.
 
2013-07-10 04:44:34 PM

trappedspirit: The whole freaking planet is built on blood and blood sacrifices.  The only reasons we have computers is because of the slaves squashed under the pyramids during it's construction.  Don't be taking people's jobs away.


Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!
 
2013-07-10 04:44:51 PM
Sorry, I need to stop and eat.  Got the branededz.  :(
 
2013-07-10 04:46:15 PM

Carousel Beast: You understand that your comfy, modern civilization was built upon millennia of what you'd consider the most abhorrent barbarism, right? So, either accept that bad things happened in the past and you can't change it, and focus on prevention of bad things in the future, or just go kill yourself so you're not exploiting thousands of generations of poor, suffering humanity so you can post on Fark.


Preach it.

I'd throw in that we should accept bad things happened *and learn from them*, but yep.
 
2013-07-10 04:48:43 PM

trappedspirit: super_grass: Jewelry is like a good suit or well-designed car. It elevates you socially and improves your standing among peers, helping you secure future social and monetary advancements.

It is as useless as a peacock's feathers.

So it's good for attracting mates then?


The venacular for it is "SWAG".
 
2013-07-10 04:49:06 PM
Hold the phone. HOLD THE PHONE

You mean old-world and industrialist commodities end up being exploited out of the people that they lie under? Say it ain't so.

/can't wait for this crap to end.
 
2013-07-10 04:49:10 PM
Somewhere rich Conservatives and Libertarians are getting boners while reading this article.
 
2013-07-10 04:52:46 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Carousel Beast: You understand that your comfy, modern civilization was built upon millennia of what you'd consider the most abhorrent barbarism, right? So, either accept that bad things happened in the past and you can't change it, and focus on prevention of bad things in the future, or just go kill yourself so you're not exploiting thousands of generations of poor, suffering humanity so you can post on Fark.

Preach it.

I'd throw in that we should accept bad things happened *and learn from them*, but yep.


computers are the same thing as engagement rings, you're both correct!
 
2013-07-10 04:54:49 PM
If you must have diamonds, just buy Canadian. All we do is fark over the Natives and Territories for their fair share of the mineral rights, so It's more of a twisted arm diamond than a blood diamond. Also, they have little polar bears etched on 'em!
 
2013-07-10 04:56:22 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: /My lack of caring about farkwits posting on fark is huge.


Your snark detector is defective.
 
2013-07-10 04:59:25 PM

Ashyukun: Wangiss: My ring is Titanium and is all scratched up after 8 years.  If I got another, it would be tungsten for sure.

Mine got a fair bit scratched up in the 3 years I wore it- but it still looked good, and weighted NOTHING even with the Pt inset band. A Tungsten ring of the same volume would weigh roughly 4x what the Ti would...


Yeah, this thing is three grams.  I'll take the weight of Tungsten.
 
2013-07-10 05:03:57 PM
Let's categorize the types of people who are impressed by big shiny rocks. We have the Icy Hot Stuntaz, the mentally handicapped, small children, cartoon cat burglars, and a large percentage of women. One of these groups might want to think about distancing themselves from the others.
 
2013-07-10 05:05:04 PM

browntimmy: Let's categorize the types of people who are impressed by big shiny rocks. We have the Icy Hot Stuntaz, the mentally handicapped, small children, cartoon cat burglars, and a large percentage of women. One of these groups might want to think about distancing themselves from the others.


Probably kids.

Small things are choking hazards.
 
2013-07-10 05:10:11 PM
Is there anything that we want that is bought with the blood of others? We could be 100% self-sustaining, living off the land, and the land itself was won by bloodshed some time in the past. Mankind is a horrible affliction on this rock. Plenty for everything for everyone and we'll never learn to share. We place more value on things than lives.
 
2013-07-10 05:13:38 PM

super_grass: browntimmy: Let's categorize the types of people who are impressed by big shiny rocks. We have the Icy Hot Stuntaz, the mentally handicapped, small children, cartoon cat burglars, and a large percentage of women. One of these groups might want to think about distancing themselves from the others.

Probably kids.

Small things are choking hazards.


Or women for the same reason.
 
2013-07-10 05:14:28 PM

MutantMotherMouse: Is there anything that we want that is bought with the blood of others? We could be 100% self-sustaining, living off the land, and the land itself was won by bloodshed some time in the past. Mankind is a horrible affliction on this rock. Plenty for everything for everyone and we'll never learn to share. We place more value on things than lives.


You should join my organic farm commune.
Nevermind, it's in Gold Country.
 
2013-07-10 05:19:35 PM

vudukungfu: megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.

I'm pretty sure Fish and Game in any state frowns on the prostitution of wild cats.
Can't you just buy one a ring and promise you'll marry it?
I'm pretty sure that's legal.


Heh heh...

I never expect to make it through the engagement anyway.

Also, that's what the bail money is for.
 
2013-07-10 05:28:27 PM
We both used family heirloom rings to hitched. After the wedding they went back in the safe and the titanium rings went on. $10 from tanga.com.

Recently I had a man ring made from my grandfathers gold teeth. It has the family crest on it.
I wear it on Sundays and such.
 
2013-07-10 05:29:09 PM

Wangiss: MutantMotherMouse: Is there anything that we want that is bought with the blood of others? We could be 100% self-sustaining, living off the land, and the land itself was won by bloodshed some time in the past. Mankind is a horrible affliction on this rock. Plenty for everything for everyone and we'll never learn to share. We place more value on things than lives.

You should join my organic farm commune.
Nevermind, it's in Gold Country.


I'm far too hypocritical and lazy to live in a commune.
 
2013-07-10 05:47:01 PM
Buy Canadian.

Blood and conflict free diamonds and gold, certified under the Kimberley Process Certification Scheme since 2002. Not perfect, perhaps, but the best we've got.
 
2013-07-10 05:49:13 PM
That is, the diamonds are certified. I don't think this certification applies to gold.
 
2013-07-10 05:57:12 PM
Diamonds?
 
2013-07-10 06:00:11 PM
cdn.kveller.com
Remember, no guy in recorded history has ever gotten in trouble for giving jewelry.
 
2013-07-10 06:25:57 PM

super_grass: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Carousel Beast: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Wangiss: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.

The people who died for it may be long dead but it was the materials for old jewelry were probably mined in the most horrific conditions imaginable. Spanish mines in the Americas, where most silver is from, made the conditions in the article look like a holiday resort.

Is there a statue of limitations for blood items? It's not ok to but them directly but to buy them second hand years later is fine?

You understand that your comfy, modern civilization was built upon millennia of what you'd consider the most abhorrent barbarism, right? So, either accept that bad things happened in the past and you can't change it, and focus on prevention of bad things in the future, or just go kill yourself so you're not exploiting thousands of generations of poor, suffering humanity so you can post on Fark.

Wow. I was asking a semiserious question but it's ok, go ahead and freak out. When do blood minerals stop being blood minerals? When those who initially profited from them are dead? At some point we get to stop feeling bad about making jewelry out of blood diamonds so when does that happen?

Depends on how much we sympathize with the victims.

Blood diamonds? Just look the other way.
Holocaust dental gold? Oh hell naw.


Well your blood diamand just isnt bloody enough unless its set in holocaust dental gold.
 
A7
2013-07-10 06:26:04 PM
If it keeps Sally Struthers and "Feed the children" rip-off charities from my TV, it's a good start.
 
2013-07-10 06:28:49 PM
We used Ring Pops for our civil union ceremony last month.
 
2013-07-10 06:28:50 PM

cynicalbastard: [cdn.kveller.com image 300x211]
Remember, no guy in recorded history has ever gotten in trouble for giving jewelry.


Unless she finds out that the ring you gave her is the same one you gave your previous girlfriend. An ex roomie of mine did that. It got ugly quick.
 
2013-07-10 06:29:41 PM

Ashyukun: as an engineer I get how useful it is beyond being pretty...


Maybe this is a stupid question, but what use does a ring have except being pretty? Actually, make that two stupid questions. Why do I care about other uses of a material for things I don't plan on using it for?

I mean, I wouldn't buy a gold chalice because of gold's electrical properties.
 
2013-07-10 06:32:00 PM

MutantMotherMouse: We place more value on things than lives.


I think the vast quantities of both things and lives is evidence that we overvalue both.
 
2013-07-10 07:08:39 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Wangiss: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.

The people who died for it may be long dead but it was the materials for old jewelry were probably mined in the most horrific conditions imaginable. Spanish mines in the Americas, where most silver is from, made the conditions in the article look like a holiday resort.

Is there a statue of limitations for blood items? It's not ok to but them directly but to buy them second hand years later is fine?


Plus by buying jewelry you are telling retailers and everyone who sees you wearing it that jewelry is still worth a lot of money. I feel the same way about those with CZ unless they exclaim to everyone "It is CZ!"- you are still reinforcing to people that diamonds are valuable and required.

That said, I agree with the lot of you that say that people suffer to make a LOT Of our [basically] worthless goods. I think you can improve your karma by consuming less, shopping at Goodwill or other charity-based second hand stores, or buying from the certified fair labor bla bla bla items.

/I don't wear rings because I have man hands so it isn't a problem for me...
 
2013-07-10 07:24:16 PM
Geez, this is horrible.  I don't need gold from these places, there is plenty of gold where I live.  My neighbor's houses are real gold mines.
 
2013-07-10 07:26:29 PM
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
One child's suffering is another man's engagement ring.

/at least he is learning a good work ethic.
 
2013-07-10 07:58:18 PM
Bitcoins are the only ethical mining product.
 
2013-07-10 08:04:50 PM
Well, preppers and assorted consiracy nutbags who completely, totally drove up the value of gold to insane amounts:

What do you have to say for yourselves?
 
2013-07-10 08:08:28 PM

megarian: vudukungfu: megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.

I'm pretty sure Fish and Game in any state frowns on the prostitution of wild cats.
Can't you just buy one a ring and promise you'll marry it?
I'm pretty sure that's legal.

Heh heh...

I never expect to make it through the engagement anyway.

Also, that's what the bail money is for.


I don't get it.  What's the skid-steer used for?
 
2013-07-10 08:09:28 PM
Bought my ring through Blue Nile, who has conflict free diamonds (kimberly process) I suppose it could be subverted at some point.

They also adhere to "the Golden rules' which could of course, be horsehiat, but doesn't matter in my case, the ring is platinum.  Wonder if that's safe.
 
2013-07-10 08:17:43 PM

thurstonxhowell: Ashyukun: as an engineer I get how useful it is beyond being pretty...

Maybe this is a stupid question, but what use does a ring have except being pretty? Actually, make that two stupid questions. Why do I care about other uses of a material for things I don't plan on using it for?

I mean, I wouldn't buy a gold chalice because of gold's electrical properties.


Beyond being pretty, it's also somewhat symbolic- and in my case, being an aerospace engineer and working with it in much of what I do, it's important to me. Granted, aircraft-grade aluminum would technically be MORE important- but it's neither as pretty or considered as precious as Ti is- but it's got a considerable significance for me...

Also- it's easier to make 'tension' settings with, completely wrongly named as they may be...
 
2013-07-10 08:35:48 PM

ski9600: megarian: vudukungfu: megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.

I'm pretty sure Fish and Game in any state frowns on the prostitution of wild cats.
Can't you just buy one a ring and promise you'll marry it?
I'm pretty sure that's legal.

Heh heh...

I never expect to make it through the engagement anyway.

Also, that's what the bail money is for.

I don't get it.  What's the skid-steer used for?


Shhhhhhh!

You'll ruin the surprise!
 
2013-07-10 08:37:18 PM
I want one of these: http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls = org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=np&biw=1280&bih=642&tbm=isch&sa =1&q=tungsten+carbide+ring&btnG=Search&oq=tungsten+carbide+ring&aq=f&a qi=g2g-m2&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=62739l66596l0l6l6l0l1l1l0l261l1070l0.2.3

(tungsten carbide for linkophobes) Cheap, extremely durable, and attractive, they match a lot of what I normally wear.

/Now to find someone I can stand being with forever.
 
2013-07-10 08:51:31 PM

megarian: ski9600: megarian: vudukungfu: megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.

I'm pretty sure Fish and Game in any state frowns on the prostitution of wild cats.
Can't you just buy one a ring and promise you'll marry it?
I'm pretty sure that's legal.

Heh heh...

I never expect to make it through the engagement anyway.

Also, that's what the bail money is for.

I don't get it.  What's the skid-steer used for?

Shhhhhhh!

You'll ruin the surprise!


Don't forget the handcuffs.
 
2013-07-10 08:54:17 PM

OgreMagi: megarian: ski9600: megarian: vudukungfu: megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.

I'm pretty sure Fish and Game in any state frowns on the prostitution of wild cats.
Can't you just buy one a ring and promise you'll marry it?
I'm pretty sure that's legal.

Heh heh...

I never expect to make it through the engagement anyway.

Also, that's what the bail money is for.

I don't get it.  What's the skid-steer used for?

Shhhhhhh!

You'll ruin the surprise!

Don't forget the handcuffs.


Yeah yeah...I learned my lesson the last time. Now I carry a spare.
 
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