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(PBS)   Feeling good about yourself because your concern about "blood diamonds" caused you to forego the traditional engagement ring and opt for a plain gold band instead? Ummm, yeah, about that gold   (pbs.org) divider line 162
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2013-07-10 02:51:48 PM
skozlaw:
If I just wanted a geological mechanism for completely wasting my money I'd just dig a hole and bury it. At least then I'd get some exercise.

"Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."  - Warren Buffett
 
2013-07-10 02:55:00 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Smeggy Smurf: The diamonds are mere chips.  The rubies came from a lab.  My lack of caring about the suffering of those who will do nothing to defend themselves is huge.


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^children mine workers^


The adults have taken up arms before. Guess how that worked out for them...
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^mine workers on strike^

/My lack of caring about farkwits posting on fark is huge.


They must not have been persistent enough.  If the police shot every mine worker there wouldn't be anyone left to mine.

/welcome to fark, where sociopathy is the norm.
 
2013-07-10 02:56:29 PM
i1.ytimg.com

They're diamonds!
 
2013-07-10 02:58:34 PM
The precious raw metals we use in jewelry though while twittastic pale in comparison in both size and scope to their need and use in electronic devices.

So think about that every time you upgrade your phone to the new and fantastic that you helped contribute to child labor in some far off nation.
 
2013-07-10 02:58:38 PM

Wangiss: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.


The people who died for it may be long dead but it was the materials for old jewelry were probably mined in the most horrific conditions imaginable. Spanish mines in the Americas, where most silver is from, made the conditions in the article look like a holiday resort.

Is there a statue of limitations for blood items? It's not ok to but them directly but to buy them second hand years later is fine?
 
2013-07-10 03:00:32 PM
GreenKarat.

Recycled platinum with a lab-made sapphire.  Reasonably comparable prices, and they'll do engraved designs as well.
 
2013-07-10 03:01:30 PM
Technically, women who demand a diamond engagement ring are even worse than the assholes who want endangered rhino horn to give them magic sexual powers.
 
2013-07-10 03:02:42 PM
The great thing about not being a hippie is not having to feel guilty about everything.  Well, one of the great things, that is.
 
2013-07-10 03:03:06 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: My friend bought a ring for his boyfriend before they got married in Canada. Found a admittedly really cool design of interlinking parts and had his friend's dad - a jeweler - make rings based off that design. And, IIRC, made out of inherited silver. Something entirely unique with a story and honest design and craftsmanship about it - that was really sweet. And the rings looked amazing.


Inherited silver is really an awesome way to go. My Grandma had some beloved old family silverware from the late 1800s which got stolen when I was in grade school, and by the time the cops recovered it from the teenage junkie down the road, it was dented and scratched to hell, some of the knives had the blades snapped off, part of it had been melted into a nuggety mess...it wasn't good.

So she has been calmly parceling it out to the various grandsons and granddaughters' fiances over the years, having a cross necklace made for a relative's fortieth birthday, gifts for milestone wedding anniversaries, monogrammed cufflinks for the boys and simple silver pendants with a religious symbol for the girls when they graduate from college...all kinds of things. She has a regular jeweler who does most of the work and slowly but surely, the family silver is being parceled out to the actual family.

When my cousin informed Grandma as a college senior that she was converting to marry her Jewish fiance, the dear old lady simply went to her jeweler and had said cousin's graduation pendant done as a Star of David, because family means family. My atheist cousin admitted to Grandma that she doesn't believe in a God and Grandma accepted it calmly and rationally, then went a little batshiat in private because she couldn't figure out how the hell to manage cousin's graduation necklace. Eventually it was decided to have it made up as a little mortar and pestle, to reflect said cousin's majoring in pharmacy, and all was well...until said cousin got engaged to a nice atheist boy from the Physics department. Grandma had to talk him into accepting family-silver wedding rings, and since the traditional Scripture engraving inside simply wouldn't do, she went online and found over a hundred quotes on the subject of love and commitment by secular authors, including one from Dr. Richard Feynman that she particularly liked and which the happy couple wound up choosing.

Everyone in the family save my baby goddaughter-to-be, who is two days old today, has something made from the family silver. Grandma will be bestowing a little cross pendant at her christening this Sunday, which she had made big enough for her to wear all her life, and which will do for the most special of occasions until she grows up. Grandma decided to have it made along the plan of the graduation pendants because living until this latest baby is in her twenties isn't something she expects to do, but she wanted to be sure that said baby had something. I'm not sure how much of the original silver she has left (it was originally a service for twelve, complete with marrow scoops and fish knives and all kinds of arcane tableware only Miss Manners would recognize,) but with the way she's managed it, instead of a single heirloom over which everyone would fight, she's created a splendid tradition that somehow covers everyone.
 
2013-07-10 03:03:51 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Stop liking what I don't like!


I don't think you know how that meme works.
 
2013-07-10 03:07:41 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.


Agreed. Mrs Clam and I both inherited our grandmothers' diamond rings. She gets to feel smug for not wasting money and wearing authentic misery diamonds at the same time.
 
2013-07-10 03:11:21 PM

STRYPERSWINE: The great thing about not being a hippie is not having to feel guilty about everything.  Well, one of the great things, that is.


This!

Bought Mrs. Kimpak a diamond engagement and wedding ring, well within my budget.  I don't feel one bit guilty.
 
2013-07-10 03:15:06 PM
Ever since I've learned of their existence, it's been clear that the only wedding band for me is one made of meteorite and dinosaur bone.
 
2013-07-10 03:15:23 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Wangiss: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.

The people who died for it may be long dead but it was the materials for old jewelry were probably mined in the most horrific conditions imaginable. Spanish mines in the Americas, where most silver is from, made the conditions in the article look like a holiday resort.

Is there a statue of limitations for blood items? It's not ok to but them directly but to buy them second hand years later is fine?


The point, as I understand it, is that you can participate in the diminution of demand for blood items currently in production, but that you cannot diminish demand for blood items in days past.  If people become suddenly disinterested in blood items today, folks may stop dying.  But nothing can stop a dead person from dying.
 
2013-07-10 03:16:42 PM
duh that's why my ring is made of white gold not black gold
 
2013-07-10 03:16:55 PM

Bonobo62: To hell with jewelry. I eliminated the middleman and bought my fiancee a little slave boy.


Just so you know, I'm posting this on my Facebook and pretending I made it up
 
2013-07-10 03:18:40 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.


Scab Diamonds. I like it.
 
2013-07-10 03:21:07 PM
Not like most of those kids have schools to go to instead.

/what is the number one way to develop a real economy?  Government run universal education, of course.  But that's "socialism" for the Derpists.
 
2013-07-10 03:21:51 PM
We have tattooed ring fingers.

Can't yank this shiat off and throw it at him in a fight... well I suppose I could, it would definitely get a message across.
 
2013-07-10 03:23:24 PM

sigdiamond2000: My wife and I forwent engagement jewelry of any kind, because, frankly, we're better than you people.

I also don't own a TeeVee and I use a non-ironic rotary phone.

Pretty much King Sh*T of F*ck Island over here.


+1, would buy from again.
 
2013-07-10 03:24:08 PM

basemetal: I need for all of my precious stones and metals to have as many consumed souls as possible.


Well sure, how else can they be imbued with power?


Say what you like about child-labor, but at least they're not growing obese in front of mind-numbing video games.

And this, from the article: Speaking in his native dialect, Karim smiles when he is asked what he wants to do with his life. "I came here to make money," he says. "My dream is to make enough money so I don't have to do this anymore."

Yeah, I say the same goddamn thing every goddamn morning when I come to work.
 
2013-07-10 03:25:32 PM
I bought a blood diamond, and was exceptionally upset it wasn't red.
 
2013-07-10 03:25:32 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: StreetlightInTheGhetto: My friend bought a ring for his boyfriend before they got married in Canada. Found a admittedly really cool design of interlinking parts and had his friend's dad - a jeweler - make rings based off that design. And, IIRC, made out of inherited silver. Something entirely unique with a story and honest design and craftsmanship about it - that was really sweet. And the rings looked amazing.

Inherited silver is really an awesome way to go. My Grandma had some beloved old family silverware from the late 1800s which got stolen when I was in grade school, and by the time the cops recovered it from the teenage junkie down the road, it was dented and scratched to hell, some of the knives had the blades snapped off, part of it had been melted into a nuggety mess...it wasn't good.

So she has been calmly parceling it out to the various grandsons and granddaughters' fiances over the years, having a cross necklace made for a relative's fortieth birthday, gifts for milestone wedding anniversaries, monogrammed cufflinks for the boys and simple silver pendants with a religious symbol for the girls when they graduate from college...all kinds of things. She has a regular jeweler who does most of the work and slowly but surely, the family silver is being parceled out to the actual family.

When my cousin informed Grandma as a college senior that she was converting to marry her Jewish fiance, the dear old lady simply went to her jeweler and had said cousin's graduation pendant done as a Star of David, because family means family. My atheist cousin admitted to Grandma that she doesn't believe in a God and Grandma accepted it calmly and rationally, then went a little batshiat in private because she couldn't figure out how the hell to manage cousin's graduation necklace. Eventually it was decided to have it made up as a little mortar and pestle, to reflect said cousin's majoring in pharmacy, and all was well...until said cousin got engaged to a nice atheist boy fro ...


chirho.me
 
2013-07-10 03:30:03 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Say what you like about child-labor, but at least they're not growing obese in front of mind-numbing video games.


I hear diamond mining really stimulates the intellect.
 
2013-07-10 03:31:19 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Not like most of those kids have schools to go to instead.

/what is the number one way to develop a real economy?  Government run universal education, of course.  But that's "socialism" for the Derpists.


It doesn't always work.  In fact, the case could be made that it works with success inverse in proportion to the socialism in the remainder of the country's governance.

www.dc4mf.org
 
2013-07-10 03:32:00 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: StreetlightInTheGhetto: My friend bought a ring for his boyfriend before they got married in Canada. Found a admittedly really cool design of interlinking parts and had his friend's dad - a jeweler - make rings based off that design. And, IIRC, made out of inherited silver. Something entirely unique with a story and honest design and craftsmanship about it - that was really sweet. And the rings looked amazing.

Inherited silver is really an awesome way to go. My Grandma had some beloved old family silverware from the late 1800s which got stolen when I was in grade school, and by the time the cops recovered it from the teenage junkie down the road, it was dented and scratched to hell, some of the knives had the blades snapped off, part of it had been melted into a nuggety mess...it wasn't good.

So she has been calmly parceling it out to the various grandsons and granddaughters' fiances over the years, having a cross necklace made for a relative's fortieth birthday, gifts for milestone wedding anniversaries, monogrammed cufflinks for the boys and simple silver pendants with a religious symbol for the girls when they graduate from college...all kinds of things. She has a regular jeweler who does most of the work and slowly but surely, the family silver is being parceled out to the actual family.

When my cousin informed Grandma as a college senior that she was converting to marry her Jewish fiance, the dear old lady simply went to her jeweler and had said cousin's graduation pendant done as a Star of David, because family means family. My atheist cousin admitted to Grandma that she doesn't believe in a God and Grandma accepted it calmly and rationally, then went a little batshiat in private because she couldn't figure out how the hell to manage cousin's graduation necklace. Eventually it was decided to have it made up as a little mortar and pestle, to reflect said cousin's majoring in pharmacy, and all was well...until said cousin got engaged to a nice atheist boy fro ...


CSB...

Seriously though, your Granny is cool.
 
2013-07-10 03:33:29 PM

sigdiamond2000: My wife and I forwent engagement jewelry of any kind, because, frankly, we're better than you people.

I also don't own a TeeVee and I use a non-ironic rotary phone.

Pretty much King Sh*T of F*ck Island over here.


Can comments be submitted for Best Of Fark somehow?
 
2013-07-10 03:33:34 PM
Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.
 
2013-07-10 03:35:05 PM

sigdiamond2000: My wife and I forwent engagement jewelry of any kind, because, frankly, we're better than you people.

I also don't own a TeeVee and I use a non-ironic rotary phone.

Pretty much King Sh*T of F*ck Island over here.


Ditto. No pre-wedding crap. We bought our wedding bands several months after the wedding ('cause who f*cking cares, right?), and they're made out of solid tungsten carbide. For you downtrodden geek-flap calculator-f*cks out there, that's "WC" in molecular formula-speak.

/King F*ck of Sh*t Island
 
2013-07-10 03:35:59 PM

megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.


I think I love you.
 
2013-07-10 03:45:50 PM
Oh, and to totally kill the romance:  http://www.foodispower.org/slavery-in-the-chocolate-industry/

Delicious, delicious, romantic slavery.
 
2013-07-10 03:49:32 PM
Jewelry is the human equivalent of a baboon's red ass.  And about as dignified.

Prove you're civilized and forgo it altogether.
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2013-07-10 03:50:41 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: The precious raw metals we use in jewelry though while twittastic pale in comparison in both size and scope to their need and use in electronic devices.

So think about that every time you upgrade your phone to the new and fantastic that you helped contribute to child labor in some far off nation.


Do your part to help by recycling your old phones and electronics instead of sending them to the landfill. Also buy a phone that isn't made in China by some child/slave/worker. The Google Nexus 4 and LG Optimus G is made in S.Korea. Motorola will be producing the Moto X in the USA soon.

/ Looking forward to the Optimus G2, Nexus 5 and Key Lime Pie.
// http://www.thefullsignal.com/google/google-nexus-5/15248/what-does-lg - optimus-g2-tell-us-about-nexus-5
/// http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/nexus-5-coming-in-october-with-and r oid-key-lime-pie-based-on-lg-optimus-g2
//// Slashies!
 
2013-07-10 03:53:55 PM

Lord Farkwad: IdBeCrazyIf: The precious raw metals we use in jewelry though while twittastic pale in comparison in both size and scope to their need and use in electronic devices.

So think about that every time you upgrade your phone to the new and fantastic that you helped contribute to child labor in some far off nation.

Do your part to help by recycling your old phones and electronics instead of sending them to the landfill. Also buy a phone that isn't made in China by some child/slave/worker. The Google Nexus 4 and LG Optimus G is made in S.Korea. Motorola will be producing the Moto X in the USA soon.

/ Looking forward to the Optimus G2, Nexus 5 and Key Lime Pie.
// http://www.thefullsignal.com/google/google-nexus-5/15248/what-does-lg - optimus-g2-tell-us-about-nexus-5
/// http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/nexus-5-coming-in-october-with-and r oid-key-lime-pie-based-on-lg-optimus-g2
//// Slashies!


moto x will be built in ft worth, about 12 miles from my house
 
2013-07-10 03:57:21 PM

megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.


Stop teasing us.  We already know you won't put out for booze.  I've tried, girl.  :D
 
2013-07-10 03:59:46 PM

Kimpak: STRYPERSWINE: The great thing about not being a hippie is not having to feel guilty about everything.  Well, one of the great things, that is.

This!

Bought Mrs. Kimpak a diamond engagement and wedding ring, well within my budget.  I don't feel one bit guilty.


+1 add a new stone for the anniversary to the list for me. Farkers shrug off the horrible shiat their possessions do to the planet every day. Clinging to one is natural, I suppose. The human cost sucks, to be sure, but it's hardly as simple as "the world stops buying diamonds today, and all these kids suddenly have a wonderful life." My money, well it's just money -- it's there to spend.
 
2013-07-10 04:03:09 PM
SpiderQueenDemon: When my cousin informed Grandma as a college senior that she was converting to marry her Jewish fiance, the dear old lady simply went to her jeweler and had said cousin's graduation pendant done as a Star of David, because family means family. My atheist cousin admitted to Grandma that she doesn't believe in a God and Grandma accepted it calmly and rationally, then went a little batshiat in private because she couldn't figure out how the hell to manage cousin's graduation necklace. Eventually it was decided to have it made up as a little mortar and pestle, to reflect said cousin's majoring in pharmacy, and all was well...until said cousin got engaged to a nice atheist boy from the Physics department. Grandma had to talk him into accepting family-silver wedding rings, and since the traditional Scripture engraving inside simply wouldn't do, she went online and found over a hundred quotes on the subject of love and commitment by secular authors, including one from Dr. Richard Feynman that she particularly liked and which the happy couple wound up choosing.

I think your Grandma's an awesome lady.
 
2013-07-10 04:03:48 PM
Speaking in his native dialect, Karim smiles when he is asked what he wants to do with his life. "I came here to make money," he says. "My dream is to make enough money so I don't have to do this anymore."

So, he's just like any other American wage-slave...
 
2013-07-10 04:07:53 PM
There are other things you do that harms the world too, no reason to be caught up on one little thing.

I for one like seal fur and enjoyed that one time I tried whale.
 
2013-07-10 04:09:36 PM
My wife got no diamonds. I gave her the wedding band from my great-great-grandmother, 130 years old, or thereabouts.  The ring, that is.  Guess she's a couple years older.  Hers and my great-great-grandfather's names and wedding date engraved inside, almost illegible.

She was happy and she likes it.  I like her.

CapeFearCadaver: I still better get a goddamn diamond.


You sound like you'll be disappointed. Frequently.
 
2013-07-10 04:09:38 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Wangiss: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.

The people who died for it may be long dead but it was the materials for old jewelry were probably mined in the most horrific conditions imaginable. Spanish mines in the Americas, where most silver is from, made the conditions in the article look like a holiday resort.

Is there a statue of limitations for blood items? It's not ok to but them directly but to buy them second hand years later is fine?


You understand that your comfy, modern civilization was built upon millennia of what you'd consider the most abhorrent barbarism, right? So, either accept that bad things happened in the past and you can't change it, and focus on prevention of bad things in the future, or just go kill yourself so you're not exploiting thousands of generations of poor, suffering humanity so you can post on Fark.
 
2013-07-10 04:12:15 PM

Calmamity: Why someone would pay a bunch of money for a clear rock OR a bunch of smudgy yellow metal is absolutely beyond me.

Fortunately my wife feels the same. We used our money as a down payment on a house. That we live in.


static.comicvine.com
 
2013-07-10 04:19:07 PM

megarian: Perfect engagement:

Go to ring store...fark it, so to Tiffany's and pick out omgThePerfectRing! See how much the ring is, including taxes. Write down the price.

Go to a really good booze store. Buy a *shiatton* of really good booze. Spend the remainder on a cabin rental in the middle of farking nowhere. Rent a Bobcat. Take it to cabin.

Have an epic weekend. Any remaining monies can be used for bail.

The end.


I'm pretty sure Fish and Game in any state frowns on the prostitution of wild cats.
Can't you just buy one a ring and promise you'll marry it?
I'm pretty sure that's legal.
 
2013-07-10 04:19:20 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Don't use your iPhone to get all snitty about jewellery.


Except an cell phone at least serves some functional purpose where as jewellery is stupid.
 
2013-07-10 04:21:16 PM

skinink: The diamonds in my wife's wedding ring are blood diamonds. The gold band were forged from goldmines in Burkina Faso worked by children. The ring was manufactured by underpaid Chinese workers in Shanghai. The ring was smuggled in to America by an illegal immigrant from Mexico. The ring was delivered to me by a Russian Mobster pimp. And my wedding was in Vegas.


SMBC Valentine's Day
 
2013-07-10 04:22:57 PM

Fano: I only get my precious gold from crazed prospectors that speak authentic frontier gibberish.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-10 04:24:04 PM

manimal2878: God Is My Co-Pirate: Don't use your iPhone to get all snitty about jewellery.

Except an cell phone at least serves some functional purpose where as jewellery is stupid.


Jewelry is like a good suit or well-designed car. It elevates you socially and improves your standing among peers, helping you secure future social and monetary advancements.

It is as useless as a peacock's feathers.
 
2013-07-10 04:29:14 PM
Soon-to-be fiance's rings will almost certainly be Ti, as will mine (at least primarily- previous wedding band was Ti with a Pt). On the fence about the gem for the engagement ring, but it pretty much certainly won't be a diamond- she's far too interesting and unique for that. Yeah, Ti is likely mined under pretty lousy circumstances either, but as an engineer I get how useful it is beyond being pretty...
 
2013-07-10 04:30:48 PM

Carousel Beast: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Wangiss: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Or you can buy antique jewelry secure in the knowledge that whoever was mutilated in its manufacture is long dead.

Also, unlike those places that advertise nonstop on the radio, you are actually getting something unique. But too many people think used jewelry is somehow tainted.

The people who died for it may be long dead but it was the materials for old jewelry were probably mined in the most horrific conditions imaginable. Spanish mines in the Americas, where most silver is from, made the conditions in the article look like a holiday resort.

Is there a statue of limitations for blood items? It's not ok to but them directly but to buy them second hand years later is fine?

You understand that your comfy, modern civilization was built upon millennia of what you'd consider the most abhorrent barbarism, right? So, either accept that bad things happened in the past and you can't change it, and focus on prevention of bad things in the future, or just go kill yourself so you're not exploiting thousands of generations of poor, suffering humanity so you can post on Fark.


Wow. I was asking a semiserious question but it's ok, go ahead and freak out. When do blood minerals stop being blood minerals? When those who initially profited from them are dead? At some point we get to stop feeling bad about making jewelry out of blood diamonds so when does that happen?
 
2013-07-10 04:31:16 PM
My ring is Titanium and is all scratched up after 8 years.  If I got another, it would be tungsten for sure.
 
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