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(Time)   With Rick Perry's departure, TX Democrats believe they have a real shot at the governor's mansion -IF they can find the right candidate, say someone who's really good at standing for long periods of time and has a good pair of sneakers   (nation.time.com) divider line 89
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2013-07-10 03:19:28 PM

Peter von Nostrand: She needs to run for Lieutenant Governor. That's who has all the power in the State


Very True. And less high-profile. Maybe Railroad commissioner (which is even more powerful) :)

I have a suspicion that regardless of what some blogger opines, that Wendy Davis is politically astute enough to pass on a race at this point.

I'm also dubious about the degree to which her fans are trying to make her into what they wish she was. She stayed on city council in Fort Worth (fifth largest in Texas) for nearly a decade. She may just not be a woman of great ambition.
 
2013-07-10 03:21:38 PM

InmanRoshi: orclover: People thinking she has a real shot at winning the Governor seat in Texas have not been to Texas, real Texas. Leave Austin occasionally, leave the big cities, drive out and visit the rest of Texas. The foods good, but you can kiss your hopes and dreams for Texas goodbye. In order for her to win you will need to kill half the voters outside of the three big cities. Its just not going to happen, And she knows this.

Pretty much this.  Let's put this into perspective .... Ted Cruz just won a state wide election by 17+% in a Presidential Election year with a huge turnout.   He even won every single county in the Houston Metro area, even Harris County who voted for Obama.

Maybe Texas isn't as deep ruby red as they've been voting the last 15+ years, but they're a long, long, long way from purple, much less blue.


Actually Cruz won by that much because the Dems party chairs at both the Texas and National level were absolutely lazy a*** morons who refused to send any money to Paul Sadler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas, _2 012#Fundraising

Sadler only had $110 thousand and he still got 41% of the vote.  Cruz had 70X that much funding
 
2013-07-10 03:24:11 PM

happydude45: She ran as a typical Dem and badmouthed her opponent, making her look childish and unsubstantial in the process. Bush refused to play those games and slander her, and the people responded accordingly.


Man, we really remember those days differently.

happydude45: Bush was a great Governor,


Man, we really remember those days differently.
 
2013-07-10 03:25:16 PM
They're colorful and have some success, but are beat to shreds against the good ol' boy wall.  I wish she had a sliver of a chance, but  she's headed to that Cissy Farenthold/Anne Richards/Molly Ivins feisty Texas women cul-de-sac.    It's across the tracks from the sassy black women ghetto where Barbara Jordan and Eddie Bernice Johnson were/are penned up.
 
2013-07-10 03:30:35 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: They're colorful and have some success, but are beat to shreds against the good ol' boy wall.  I wish she had a sliver of a chance, but  she's headed to that Cissy Farenthold/Anne Richards/Molly Ivins feisty Texas women cul-de-sac.    It's across the tracks from the sassy black women ghetto where Barbara Jordan and Eddie Bernice Johnson were/are penned up.


Where do they keep Sheila Jackson Lee then?
 
2013-07-10 03:30:46 PM

happydude45:  Bush was a great Governor,



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Horseshiat.
 
2013-07-10 03:31:01 PM

ShadowKamui: Actually Cruz won by that much because the Dems party chairs at both the Texas and National level were absolutely lazy a*** morons who refused to send any money to Paul Sadler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas, _2 012#Fundraising

Sadler only had $110 thousand and he still got 41% of the vote. Cruz had 70X that much funding


You call them lazy morons.   I'd call them people who understand the concept of sunk costs.

The Texas Democratic Machine needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.  From voter registation to get out the vote to candidate selection.   That's going to take many years and many election cycles and incremental progress.   Just throwing money at a guy who didn't have a chance in hell at winning was going to accomplish nothing.
 
2013-07-10 03:31:23 PM

InmanRoshi: BojanglesPaladin: If the democrats can offer up another Anne Richards, they could win, But Iron Anne had serious chops. Tons of experience, a deep understanding of the game and the levers of Texas politics, and the willpower and ruthlessness to get her way.

And the only reason Anne Richards got into office is because her opponent Clayton Williams was a business tycoon  and political noob who didn't know how to farking run a campaign to save his life, and basically self sabotaged himself with a collection of offensive quotes that would make Rick Santorum look like Zeno of Citium


You mean the old comparing rape to the weather: "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it"

I had a female history teacher at the time that loudly defended him in class.
 
2013-07-10 03:31:52 PM

BojanglesPaladin: happydude45: She ran as a typical Dem and badmouthed her opponent, making her look childish and unsubstantial in the process. Bush refused to play those games and slander her, and the people responded accordingly.

Man, we really remember those days differently.

happydude45: Bush was a great Governor,

Man, we really remember those days differently.


Richards lost because she went dirty and Feinstine sh** all over her campaign (and every other blue-dog Dem) w/ the anti-gun stuff
 
2013-07-10 03:32:58 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Peter von Nostrand: She needs to run for Lieutenant Governor. That's who has all the power in the State

Very True. And less high-profile. Maybe Railroad commissioner (which is even more powerful) :)

I have a suspicion that regardless of what some blogger opines, that Wendy Davis is politically astute enough to pass on a race at this point.

I'm also dubious about the degree to which her fans are trying to make her into what they wish she was. She stayed on city council in Fort Worth (fifth largest in Texas) for nearly a decade. She may just not be a woman of great ambition.


Alternatively, as you mention, it could simply be she's astute enough to know which races are worth fighting and which aren't.

Wendy doesn't have a shot in 2014 against an experienced opponent for the governor's mansion.  Don't get me wrong - if she runs, I'll vote for her, no question about it, and even would campaign for her, but I'm under no delusions of her actual chances.
 
2013-07-10 03:37:16 PM

InmanRoshi: ShadowKamui: Actually Cruz won by that much because the Dems party chairs at both the Texas and National level were absolutely lazy a*** morons who refused to send any money to Paul Sadler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas, _2 012#Fundraising

Sadler only had $110 thousand and he still got 41% of the vote. Cruz had 70X that much funding

You call them lazy morons.   I'd call them people who understand the concept of sunk costs.

The Texas Democratic Machine needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.  From voter registation to get out the vote to candidate selection.   That's going to take many years and many election cycles and incremental progress.   Just throwing money at a guy who didn't have a chance in hell at winning was going to accomplish nothing.


I'm curious as to your thoughts on Battleground Texas - the right approach to fixing the TX Democratic Party?
 
2013-07-10 03:39:38 PM

EighthDay: Don't get me wrong - if she runs, I'll vote for her, no question about it, and even would campaign for her, but I'm under no delusions of her actual chances.


Realist. Something rarer than gold.  Does everybody you know call you a pessimist too?
 
2013-07-10 03:42:37 PM

orclover: EighthDay: Don't get me wrong - if she runs, I'll vote for her, no question about it, and even would campaign for her, but I'm under no delusions of her actual chances.

Realist. Something rarer than gold.  Does everybody you know call you a pessimist too?


Hah, no, because despite my realism and being a bleeding-heart liberal living in Texas, I typically have a positive attitude.
 
2013-07-10 03:43:27 PM

EighthDay: InmanRoshi: ShadowKamui: Actually Cruz won by that much because the Dems party chairs at both the Texas and National level were absolutely lazy a*** morons who refused to send any money to Paul Sadler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas, _2 012#Fundraising

Sadler only had $110 thousand and he still got 41% of the vote. Cruz had 70X that much funding

You call them lazy morons.   I'd call them people who understand the concept of sunk costs.

The Texas Democratic Machine needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.  From voter registation to get out the vote to candidate selection.   That's going to take many years and many election cycles and incremental progress.   Just throwing money at a guy who didn't have a chance in hell at winning was going to accomplish nothing.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on Battleground Texas - the right approach to fixing the TX Democratic Party?


Remember the Democrat Party that ran Texas pretty much without opposition from post-Reconstruction until the 80's? It was killed by the radical America-hating national Dems - the national party completely changed. Remember the longtime Democratic elected officials who changed parties due to the radical agenda of the national Democratic party? Go back to supporting issues that the people of the state believe in and they will have a chance.
 
2013-07-10 03:45:01 PM

ShadowKamui: InmanRoshi: orclover: People thinking she has a real shot at winning the Governor seat in Texas have not been to Texas, real Texas. Leave Austin occasionally, leave the big cities, drive out and visit the rest of Texas. The foods good, but you can kiss your hopes and dreams for Texas goodbye. In order for her to win you will need to kill half the voters outside of the three big cities. Its just not going to happen, And she knows this.

Pretty much this.  Let's put this into perspective .... Ted Cruz just won a state wide election by 17+% in a Presidential Election year with a huge turnout.   He even won every single county in the Houston Metro area, even Harris County who voted for Obama.

Maybe Texas isn't as deep ruby red as they've been voting the last 15+ years, but they're a long, long, long way from purple, much less blue.

Actually Cruz won by that much because the Dems party chairs at both the Texas and National level were absolutely lazy a*** morons who refused to send any money to Paul Sadler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas, _2 012#Fundraising

Sadler only had $110 thousand and he still got 41% of the vote.  Cruz had 70X that much funding


True. If Wendy Davis can fire up the Democrats in Texas, even if she doesn't run, then it could help make the Democrats more competitive in Texas.

From what I've gathered, seems like the Democrats in Texas are a bunch of self-defeatists ever since Ann Richards died.
 
2013-07-10 03:47:09 PM

InmanRoshi: ShadowKamui: Actually Cruz won by that much because the Dems party chairs at both the Texas and National level were absolutely lazy a*** morons who refused to send any money to Paul Sadler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas, _2 012#Fundraising

Sadler only had $110 thousand and he still got 41% of the vote. Cruz had 70X that much funding

You call them lazy morons.   I'd call them people who understand the concept of sunk costs.

The Texas Democratic Machine needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.  From voter registation to get out the vote to candidate selection.   That's going to take many years and many election cycles and incremental progress.   Just throwing money at a guy who didn't have a chance in hell at winning was going to accomplish nothing.


Sunk cost requires you to actually spend money in the first place
 
2013-07-10 03:49:24 PM

EighthDay: Don't get me wrong - if she runs, I'll vote for her, no question about it, and even would campaign for her, but I'm under no delusions of her actual chances.


Don't get me wrong - when it comes to the Hair's crew, I would, in most circumstances, vote for a two-day dead armadillo before anyone from Perry's camp.

For a long time now, I have made it a point to show up on election day so I can vote against Rick Perry and Sheila Jackson Lee. For pretty much the same reason: I am opposed to self-serving glory hound morons in positions of power.

Sadly, my fellow Texans have not shared my concerns.
 
2013-07-10 03:51:45 PM

EighthDay: InmanRoshi: ShadowKamui: Actually Cruz won by that much because the Dems party chairs at both the Texas and National level were absolutely lazy a*** morons who refused to send any money to Paul Sadler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas, _2 012#Fundraising

Sadler only had $110 thousand and he still got 41% of the vote. Cruz had 70X that much funding

You call them lazy morons.   I'd call them people who understand the concept of sunk costs.

The Texas Democratic Machine needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.  From voter registation to get out the vote to candidate selection.   That's going to take many years and many election cycles and incremental progress.   Just throwing money at a guy who didn't have a chance in hell at winning was going to accomplish nothing.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on Battleground Texas - the right approach to fixing the TX Democratic Party?


Obviously they're going to have to get the politically dormant Hispanic demographic actively engaged in the process, but that's not going to be an overnight thing.   Texas latinos aren't like California or Florida latinos.   You're   battling against decades and generations of cultural lethargy and distrust of the political process (and on top of that voting districts that have been gerrymandered against them).     I have no doubt the Battleground Texas people have the blueprint from the Obama grassroots campaign, but a blueprint alone isn't enough to build a house.      It's not going to be about making a slick smartphone app and some catch phrases for bumper stickers.   It's going to be years and years of feet on pavement knocking on doors and getting people registered and building a volunteer base along the way, and it's going to take several election cycles of trial and error.
 
2013-07-10 03:58:55 PM

InmanRoshi: Obviously they're going to have to get the politically dormant Hispanic demographic actively engaged in the process, but that's not going to be an overnight thing. Texas latinos aren't like California or Florida latinos. You're battling against decades and generations of cultural lethargy and distrust of the political process (and on top of that voting districts that have been gerrymandered against them). I have no doubt the Battleground Texas people have the blueprint from the Obama grassroots campaign, but a blueprint alone isn't enough to build a house. It's not going to be about making a slick smartphone app and some catch phrases for bumper stickers. It's going to be years and years of feet on pavement knocking on doors and getting people registered and building a volunteer base along the way, and it's going to take several election cycles of trial and error.


Thanks!  As a New Yorker living in Texas, the history of the state's politics is still pretty new to me.  Seeing the demographics as they are, and especially as they are trending, it seems like it should be a more competitive state, but learning about the state of the state Democratic party and the history of the populace puts things into perspective.

That being said, having signed up for BGT, they do seem to have the right idea in getting feet on the ground, getting voters registered, and trying to fire people up.  I suppose the proof will be in if they can actually get people to show up on election day...

BojanglesPaladin: Don't get me wrong - when it comes to the Hair's crew, I would, in most circumstances, vote for a two-day dead armadillo before anyone from Perry's camp.

For a long time now, I have made it a point to show up on election day so I can vote against Rick Perry and Sheila Jackson Lee. For pretty much the same reason: I am opposed to self-serving glory hound morons in positions of power.

Sadly, my fellow Texans have not shared my concerns.


Not for nothing, but at least you have someone to vote for... my representative ran unopposed and I would have gladly voted against him.
 
2013-07-10 03:58:56 PM

BojanglesPaladin: EighthDay: Don't get me wrong - if she runs, I'll vote for her, no question about it, and even would campaign for her, but I'm under no delusions of her actual chances.

Don't get me wrong - when it comes to the Hair's crew, I would, in most circumstances, vote for a two-day dead armadillo before anyone from Perry's camp.

For a long time now, I have made it a point to show up on election day so I can vote against Rick Perry and Sheila Jackson Lee. For pretty much the same reason: I am opposed to self-serving glory hound morons in positions of power.

Sadly, my fellow Texans have not shared my concerns.


Believe it or not, I don't vote for Perry either. He is a louse.
 
2013-07-10 04:06:14 PM

happydude45: Believe it or not, I don't vote for Perry either. He is a louse.


Which of his 4 opponents did you vote for?  JK, I think it was 5 though wasnt it?
 
2013-07-10 04:07:19 PM

EighthDay: I'm curious as to your thoughts on Battleground Texas - the right approach to fixing the TX Democratic Party?


No. Because it is largely an outside effort to inject a political shift inside Texas. Thi sis problematic for a few reasons:

1) Texans get downright ornery about "outsiders" mucking about with our State Politics, and if it is perceived that way, it will backfire badly. I saw this happen with Kay Baily Hutchinson, a born and raised Texan with an amazing track record, and eminently qualified. Even as a Republican, many people felt she was too funded by "outsiders" and not really a "true Texan". (Which is farking absurd if you know anything about her). If that sentiment can torpedo a long time Texan Republican, imagine the effect it would have on Democrats.

2) There seems to be a "misunderestimation" of the national DNC that there is a sleeping tiger of progressive thought in Texas, and that if they could just wake up all of the Texans who are really liberals deep down and get them out and voting Democrat,. they could change things. That what is really needed is a strengthening of East and West coast democratic liberalism. This is a real misunderstanding of the political environment in Texas. Whether Democrat or Republican, Texas is deeply and intrinsically conservative. Perhaps more libertarian in bent than the rest of the south, to be sure, but a far cry from the liberal progressives of the coasts. Even though there are plenty of social justice minded Texans, The National DNC is not at all hospitable to religious, small government, boot-strappers, and frankly, even Texas Democrats are more conservative than a California Republican.

Don't believe me? Wendy Davis did her first bus tour stop yesterday in Houston. I was there. In the fourth largest city in the country (and the most cosmopolitan) with the state's Planned Parenthood headquarters just down the street, there were less than a thousand people. I sat and had dinner 50 yards from the gathering and never once had to raise my voice to be heard across the table. Over 4 million Texans in the Houston Area, and a super-hot political celebrity, and a smaller turn out than when the symphony puts on a free show.

So no. If the democrats want to get back in Power in Texas, they need to start selling what Texans are buying, not try to convince them to really want something else. Let a Texas Democrat be a conservative democrat, instead of trying to get Texans to be progressive liberals.

IMHO, YMMV.
 
2013-07-10 04:12:42 PM

orclover: happydude45: Believe it or not, I don't vote for Perry either. He is a louse.

Which of his 4 opponents did you vote for?  JK, I think it was 5 though wasnt it?


Kinky, Bill White, and I can't remember the third.....
 
2013-07-10 04:14:04 PM

BojanglesPaladin: EighthDay: I'm curious as to your thoughts on Battleground Texas - the right approach to fixing the TX Democratic Party?

No. Because it is largely an outside effort to inject a political shift inside Texas. Thi sis problematic for a few reasons:

1) Texans get downright ornery about "outsiders" mucking about with our State Politics, and if it is perceived that way, it will backfire badly. I saw this happen with Kay Baily Hutchinson, a born and raised Texan with an amazing track record, and eminently qualified. Even as a Republican, many people felt she was too funded by "outsiders" and not really a "true Texan". (Which is farking absurd if you know anything about her). If that sentiment can torpedo a long time Texan Republican, imagine the effect it would have on Democrats.

2) There seems to be a "misunderestimation" of the national DNC that there is a sleeping tiger of progressive thought in Texas, and that if they could just wake up all of the Texans who are really liberals deep down and get them out and voting Democrat,. they could change things. That what is really needed is a strengthening of East and West coast democratic liberalism. This is a real misunderstanding of the political environment in Texas. Whether Democrat or Republican, Texas is deeply and intrinsically conservative. Perhaps more libertarian in bent than the rest of the south, to be sure, but a far cry from the liberal progressives of the coasts. Even though there are plenty of social justice minded Texans, The National DNC is not at all hospitable to religious, small government, boot-strappers, and frankly, even Texas Democrats are more conservative than a California Republican.

Don't believe me? Wendy Davis did her first bus tour stop yesterday in Houston. I was there. In the fourth largest city in the country (and the most cosmopolitan) with the state's Planned Parenthood headquarters just down the street, there were less than a thousand people. I sat and had dinner 50 yards from the gathe ...


Sir, you just nailed it perfectly. That is it, in a nutshell.
 
2013-07-10 04:24:00 PM

happydude45: orclover: happydude45: Believe it or not, I don't vote for Perry either. He is a louse.

Which of his 4 opponents did you vote for?  JK, I think it was 5 though wasnt it?

Kinky, Bill White, and I can't remember the third.....


You're mixing up years (Kinky didn't run in 2010)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry#Electoral_history
 
2013-07-10 04:27:51 PM

WTF Indeed: 60+% of Texans are pro-life, so unless the Democrats plan to run a pro-life candidate than I think they'll be SOL.


There's a world of difference between being pro-life and doing what Texas has done.

Texas is not being pro-life...they're being anti-women.  Their actions effectively close 80% of clinics that provide services, of which one of those happens to be abortions.
 
2013-07-10 04:34:43 PM

Skarekrough: WTF Indeed: 60+% of Texans are pro-life, so unless the Democrats plan to run a pro-life candidate than I think they'll be SOL.

There's a world of difference between being pro-life and doing what Texas has done.

Texas is not being pro-life...they're being anti-women.  Their actions effectively close 80% of clinics that provide services, of which one of those happens to be abortions.


The clinics are free to stay open and either change to follow the new rules or keep providing services other than abortions.

With the 24 hour pill being over the counter now, the demand for abortions should dry up fast anyway
 
2013-07-10 04:58:18 PM

happydude45: Skarekrough: WTF Indeed: 60+% of Texans are pro-life, so unless the Democrats plan to run a pro-life candidate than I think they'll be SOL.

There's a world of difference between being pro-life and doing what Texas has done.

Texas is not being pro-life...they're being anti-women.  Their actions effectively close 80% of clinics that provide services, of which one of those happens to be abortions.

The clinics are free to stay open and either change to follow the new rules or keep providing services other than abortions.

With the 24 hour pill being over the counter now, the demand for abortions should dry up fast anyway


There's a reason why they call it the "Morning After Pill" and not the "Fetus us so brain damaged it won't live 24 hours out of the womb" pill.
 
2013-07-10 05:01:53 PM

BojanglesPaladin: So no. If the democrats want to get back in Power in Texas, they need to start selling what Texans are buying, not try to convince them to really want something else. Let a Texas Democrat be a conservative democrat, instead of trying to get Texans to be progressive liberals.


Thank you!  That is an awesome explanation from a Texan's perspective.

So let's say that "Texas Democrats" are more libertarian than liberal or progressive (which I think is a safe argument, given those I've encountered here who are actually Democrats).

There is still the issue that the Texas Democratic party seems to be in terrible disarray.  There doesn't seem to be much in the way of support or motivation.  Regardless of the reasons that the party got there, that's where it is.  Would it be a bad thing to have something like BGT getting people registered and motivated - i.e. laying the groundwork - so that the state party can later come in and take over like it should have been doing all along?

Admittedly, I'm coming at this from a Northeastern liberal perspective, but it seems to me that such a jumpstart, even if initially a failure, could be in the long run good for making Texas a bit more competitive instead of out-conservativing each other in primaries...

I also feel like it's worth pointing out that while the Blue Dogs have had a rough few years, there ARE still conservative Democrats, so it's not like Texas Democrats have to be left-wing progressives by any stretch of the imagination to still be welcomed into the party...
 
2013-07-10 05:03:25 PM

Skarekrough: Texas is not being pro-life...they're being anti-women. Their actions effectively close 80% of clinics that provide services, of which one of those happens to be abortions


Just to be clear, those clinics can most certainly stay open and offer all the other services.

They just can't offer abortion services unless they have ambulatory services, surgical facilities, doctors with admission privileges at a hospital less than 30 miles away, a special XK1 space modulator, a flux capacitor and a certified certificate of authenticity from the King of Siam.

It is obviously a Republican attempt to attack abortion through accessibility, but I'm not sure it accurate to say that clinics without abortions will have to shut down all other women's health services.
 
2013-07-10 05:06:23 PM

happydude45: With the 24 hour pill being over the counter now, the demand for abortions should dry up fast anyway


Except, of course, that many communities are trying to make sure that it is not available.
 
2013-07-10 05:54:47 PM

happydude45: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: They're colorful and have some success, but are beat to shreds against the good ol' boy wall.  I wish she had a sliver of a chance, but  she's headed to that Cissy Farenthold/Anne Richards/Molly Ivins feisty Texas women cul-de-sac.    It's across the tracks from the sassy black women ghetto where Barbara Jordan and Eddie Bernice Johnson were/are penned up.

Where do they keep Sheila Jackson Lee then?


The voodoo socialist pit.  Sheila scares the crap outta them.
 
2013-07-10 06:02:29 PM

EighthDay: BojanglesPaladin: So no. If the democrats want to get back in Power in Texas, they need to start selling what Texans are buying, not try to convince them to really want something else. Let a Texas Democrat be a conservative democrat, instead of trying to get Texans to be progressive liberals.

Thank you!  That is an awesome explanation from a Texan's perspective.

So let's say that "Texas Democrats" are more libertarian than liberal or progressive (which I think is a safe argument, given those I've encountered here who are actually Democrats).

There is still the issue that the Texas Democratic party seems to be in terrible disarray.  There doesn't seem to be much in the way of support or motivation.  Regardless of the reasons that the party got there, that's where it is.  Would it be a bad thing to have something like BGT getting people registered and motivated - i.e. laying the groundwork - so that the state party can later come in and take over like it should have been doing all along?

Admittedly, I'm coming at this from a Northeastern liberal perspective, but it seems to me that such a jumpstart, even if initially a failure, could be in the long run good for making Texas a bit more competitive instead of out-conservativing each other in primaries...


I am not so sure it would be good in the long run and may actually breed more distrust because outsiders are trying to game Texas' elections for coastal liberals benefits. It is one of those things that really needs to grow organically within the state before it accepts outside influence. Otherwise, it will fail. I would say it may be worthwhile to have small localized aspects but anything larger just wouldn't fly too well, yet.

They also need to distance themselves from the national DNC's stance on gun control and the death penalty. They are kind of a cultural thing in Texas and mentioning them will sway alot of people to vote against you for those single issue.

And I say this as a pretty liberal Texan.
 
2013-07-10 06:26:57 PM

EighthDay: Would it be a bad thing to have something like BGT getting people registered and motivated - i.e. laying the groundwork - so that the state party can later come in and take over like it should have been doing all along?


I think it would. It may like election tampering from outsiders. (Also, no Idea what Britain's Got Talent would be involved at all.)

It can be hard for people outside of Texas to really appreciate, but there are 49 States and the Nation of Texas in the United States. It doesn't matter how other people do it in their states, Texans do it our own way here. It's not even that other states are better or worse, it's that a die-hard Texan doesn't understand the need to compare. Texas is best for Texas. This is a bipartisan sensibility, mind you.

Part of the reason Texas Democrats are in disarray is because the lost a massive amount of support in the last few decades, and it's not really feasible to bring in help from the outside, because that would be like a Canadian liberal party getting a lot of help from the DNC. It would do more harm that good.

And you make a hopeful, but probably false assumption that if you get more people out to vote, that would mean more "Democrat" votes. Because that's how it works in most other states. But in Texas, I suspect that most Democrats and liberals are already as inclined and motivated to get out and vote as they can be. Discouraged, maybe, but they already know where and how to vote, and tend to be more active already.

And if you were to actually do a state-wide vote registration push, you would get all the trailer parks, and rural towns, and people who are otherwise to lazy to show up - because they are busy listening to Rush and being angry at the government for having to pay too much in taxes. And

Unless you mean to do focused "get out the vote" efforts in inner-city, minority areas, and leave out the huge swaths of country, rural, and suburban Texans? Sure. (Which we all know would be how a DNC operation would allocate resources). If the intent is to look like "liberal elites from out of state are trying to steal Texas elections by getting the freeloaders and welfare queens to vote for free handouts" then that would be EXACTLY how to do that.

How can Texas turn blue? The same way the Republicans finally managed to get power away from the Democrats after decades and decades... STOP pushing agendas that most people in Texas don't want, and START pushing a slightly more reasonable alternative to the increasingly frothing madness of the hyper-right.

I know it can be hard to grasp, but right now, Crazy or not, Cruz is closer to what most Texans want than Davis. Now, Cruz is an extreme version of the basic things, but I think most Texans would prefer hyper version of "mostly right" to a moderate version of "entirely not what we want".

Does that make sense?
 
2013-07-10 08:06:21 PM
Anyone else think Bill White is going to try to run again?
 
2013-07-10 09:30:34 PM
So the impression I get from Farkers is that there is no hope of the Democrats winning Texas so don't bother even trying.  I think that's what you call a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
2013-07-10 10:29:57 PM

BojanglesPaladin: EighthDay: Would it be a bad thing to have something like BGT getting people registered and motivated - i.e. laying the groundwork - so that the state party can later come in and take over like it should have been doing all along?

I think it would. It may like election tampering from outsiders. (Also, no Idea what Britain's Got Talent would be involved at all.)

It can be hard for people outside of Texas to really appreciate, but there are 49 States and the Nation of Texas in the United States. It doesn't matter how other people do it in their states, Texans do it our own way here. It's not even that other states are better or worse, it's that a die-hard Texan doesn't understand the need to compare. Texas is best for Texas. This is a bipartisan sensibility, mind you.

Part of the reason Texas Democrats are in disarray is because the lost a massive amount of support in the last few decades, and it's not really feasible to bring in help from the outside, because that would be like a Canadian liberal party getting a lot of help from the DNC. It would do more harm that good.

And you make a hopeful, but probably false assumption that if you get more people out to vote, that would mean more "Democrat" votes. Because that's how it works in most other states. But in Texas, I suspect that most Democrats and liberals are already as inclined and motivated to get out and vote as they can be. Discouraged, maybe, but they already know where and how to vote, and tend to be more active already.

And if you were to actually do a state-wide vote registration push, you would get all the trailer parks, and rural towns, and people who are otherwise to lazy to show up - because they are busy listening to Rush and being angry at the government for having to pay too much in taxes. And

Unless you mean to do focused "get out the vote" efforts in inner-city, minority areas, and leave out the huge swaths of country, rural, and suburban Texans? Sure. (Which we all know would be how a DNC operation would allocate resources). If the intent is to look like "liberal elites from out of state are trying to steal Texas elections by getting the freeloaders and welfare queens to vote for free handouts" then that would be EXACTLY how to do that.

How can Texas turn blue? The same way the Republicans finally managed to get power away from the Democrats after decades and decades... STOP pushing agendas that most people in Texas don't want, and START pushing a slightly more reasonable alternative to the increasingly frothing madness of the hyper-right.

I know it can be hard to grasp, but right now, Crazy or not, Cruz is closer to what most Texans want than Davis. Now, Cruz is an extreme version of the basic things, but I think most Texans would prefer hyper version of "mostly right" to a moderate version of "entirely not what we want".

Does that make sense?


That makes a ton of sense. Thanks!
 
2013-07-10 10:31:33 PM

there their theyre: EighthDay: BojanglesPaladin: So no. If the democrats want to get back in Power in Texas, they need to start selling what Texans are buying, not try to convince them to really want something else. Let a Texas Democrat be a conservative democrat, instead of trying to get Texans to be progressive liberals.

Thank you!  That is an awesome explanation from a Texan's perspective.

So let's say that "Texas Democrats" are more libertarian than liberal or progressive (which I think is a safe argument, given those I've encountered here who are actually Democrats).

There is still the issue that the Texas Democratic party seems to be in terrible disarray.  There doesn't seem to be much in the way of support or motivation.  Regardless of the reasons that the party got there, that's where it is.  Would it be a bad thing to have something like BGT getting people registered and motivated - i.e. laying the groundwork - so that the state party can later come in and take over like it should have been doing all along?

Admittedly, I'm coming at this from a Northeastern liberal perspective, but it seems to me that such a jumpstart, even if initially a failure, could be in the long run good for making Texas a bit more competitive instead of out-conservativing each other in primaries...

I am not so sure it would be good in the long run and may actually breed more distrust because outsiders are trying to game Texas' elections for coastal liberals benefits. It is one of those things that really needs to grow organically within the state before it accepts outside influence. Otherwise, it will fail. I would say it may be worthwhile to have small localized aspects but anything larger just wouldn't fly too well, yet.

They also need to distance themselves from the national DNC's stance on gun control and the death penalty. They are kind of a cultural thing in Texas and mentioning them will sway alot of people to vote against you for those single issue.

And I say this as a pretty liberal Texan.


So in other words, what they do in places like WVa and the Midwest?

And apologies for the huge quotes, mobile fark doesn't allow selective quoting.
 
2013-07-11 01:05:01 AM
Not enough people are voting in the liberal areas to make a dent in the sea of rural red.
Honestly a ton have given up even trying to get organized.
 
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