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2013-07-10 01:11:33 PM

Clemkadidlefark: The illusion of Time is the devil's second greatest trick.

Until you don't pick up your wife on time.


Time is an illusion...lunch time doubly so.   -Doug Adams, in Readers Digest
 
2013-07-10 01:12:15 PM

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Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.
 
2013-07-10 01:17:57 PM

SovietCanuckistan: AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.

A good point. I guess we can move the zeros left and right to figure out all kinds o stuff.


To be accurate, it's 1.83 Meters tall, a perfectly cromulent number.

We should develop Decimeters for the American taste. It's about the length of the average dick. Americans could understand that.
 
2013-07-10 01:19:14 PM

SovietCanuckistan: Metric is the shiz.

Except for measuring human height.

It's easy to picture, say 6 units. That guy is 6 feet tall.
Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.


When I try to impress people I ususally switch to the metric system.  Oh ya baby all 75mm.
 
2013-07-10 01:22:15 PM
Many technologies such as telecommunications, satellite navigation and the stock markets rely on ever-better time measurements.


What?
 
2013-07-10 01:22:17 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.


It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.
 
2013-07-10 01:23:31 PM

AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.


when the difference between three sigma of human height is less than 1 full unit of a measure, it's a piss-poor measurement for human dimensions.  That the metric system has not analogue to the foot is basically its biggest flaw
 
2013-07-10 01:24:02 PM

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Actually, it wasn't an "arbitrary" scale for Fahrenheit. We learned about this in Astronomy, so bear with me if I'm not 100% right. The guy was adjusting for salt water and sea level, I believe... There was actually a reason for that one, but the rest is wack-a-doodle bullshiat.
 
2013-07-10 01:26:04 PM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa:  Our current systems, called caesium fountains, expose clouds of caesium atoms to microwaves to get them to oscillate. But the the new ones use light to excite strontium atoms

 it has been a minute since my last science class, but isn't a microwave light too you tards ?


no

/if it's only been a minute since your last science class you might try to get your money back.
 
2013-07-10 01:27:03 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Why? Does the time brother you?
 
2013-07-10 01:34:02 PM

Silly_Sot: Saiga410: So when do we institute the metric week?

The French already tried it, then they decided it would be more fun to cut off heads as public entertainment. Finally, they decided that conquering Europe would be even more fun. Moral: Don't dick with "metric time", it makes you into a total shiathead.


upload.wikimedia.org

No, it's that they found out they could cut off more heads in a twenty-four hour day.  2 hour lunches are too long in a 10 hour day
 
2013-07-10 01:37:25 PM

Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.


Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?
 
2013-07-10 01:38:14 PM
I'd love to add my two cents to this thread, but it's already @733, and I only get 31.25 beats for my lunch break.
 
2013-07-10 01:38:47 PM
Still no cure for the common cold.
 
2013-07-10 01:39:50 PM

Magorn: AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.

when the difference between three sigma of human height is less than 1 full unit of a measure, it's a piss-poor measurement for human dimensions.  That the metric system has not analogue to the foot is basically its biggest flaw


"Full unit of measurement" is arbitrary. Don't like decimals? Measure height in decimeters then.
 
2013-07-10 01:41:22 PM
Fahrenheit is better for day to day weather use.

0 degrees is cold, 100 degrees is hot.. a lot better than a range of -15 to 40.
 
2013-07-10 01:41:23 PM

clambam: Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.

Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?


-145C?
 
2013-07-10 01:41:25 PM

Mikeyworld: SovietCanuckistan: AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.

A good point. I guess we can move the zeros left and right to figure out all kinds o stuff.

To be accurate, it's 1.83 Meters tall, a perfectly cromulent number.

We should develop Decimeters for the American taste. It's about the length of the average dick. Americans could understand that.


How tall is the average Republican? BOOM!
 
2013-07-10 01:44:55 PM
Being that people are sentient bags of mostly salt water, Fahrenheit is a better scale for temperature perception.
 
2013-07-10 01:45:25 PM

clambam: Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.

Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?


About -230F?  How do you define "twice as cold"?  Is it the same as "half as hot"?
 
2013-07-10 01:45:34 PM

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Okay...  I definitely understand what you're getting at here.  And I absolutely agree that the US has been tremendously stupid for adopting the "standard measure" of things, while the rest of the world went with the newer and more sensible measures.

I will never be sure how or why that happened.

Here's a couple of points to note...  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles.  The scale is set on 3 variables - Boiling temp of water, freezing temp of water, and human body temp.  Thus why the term "degrees" came to be known for the values.  It's not so arbitrary if you look at it as degrees on a protractor.  That was actually a pretty spiffy idea.

Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.  But he still didn't exactly get things right in the beginning.  He set boiling point at 0 and freezing at 100.  This was obviously reversed soon after.  In the end, his scale seems more sensible and intuitive.  But, us Americans can't really figure out what any Celcius temp means without some sort of calculator.  And clearly this is not the fault of the inventor.

As far as the rest of measurments go...  The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses.  And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.
 
2013-07-10 01:47:05 PM

clambam: Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.

Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?


"Twice as cold" makes no logical sense as a phrase.
 
2013-07-10 01:48:17 PM

durbnpoisn: Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles....Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.


As usual, you've completely forgotten about the critical contributions of Sir John Centigrade.
 
2013-07-10 01:48:17 PM
Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C
 
2013-07-10 01:49:56 PM

Gosling: Oh, drat, I forgot to change my page-a-day. It's actually Cumin Day. I HAD BETTER SEE CUMIN ON EVERYTHING.


I'm only one man! I'll do my best, but 8 already get to cumin at least twice a day, usually when I wake up and right before bed.
 
2013-07-10 01:55:38 PM
If you use day/month/year you are a backwards rube you should be using the obviously superior metric for keeping time and measuring time in kiloseconds
 
2013-07-10 01:56:18 PM
Remember this time people, 80 past 2 on April 47th, it's the dawn of a new enlightenment.
 
2013-07-10 01:57:59 PM

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That's because were EXCEPTIONAL.
 
2013-07-10 01:59:08 PM

Graffito: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

That's because were EXCEPTIONAL.


And apostrophes are so pre-iPhone.
 
2013-07-10 01:59:33 PM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake
 
2013-07-10 02:02:09 PM

MugzyBrown: Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C


You drive 100 kph far more than 100 mph. 100 kph = common freeway speed. 100 mph = illegal pretty much everywhere.
 
2013-07-10 02:02:40 PM

semiotix: durbnpoisn: Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles....Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.

As usual, you've completely forgotten about the critical contributions of Sir John Centigrade.



Well, he did everything left handed while standing on his head.  And I'm pretty sure he was a jerk.
 
2013-07-10 02:04:14 PM

durbnpoisn: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Okay...  I definitely understand what you're getting at here.  And I absolutely agree that the US has been tremendously stupid for adopting the "standard measure" of things, while the rest of the world went with the newer and more sensible measures.

I will never be sure how or why that happened.

Here's a couple of points to note...  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles.  The scale is set on 3 variables - Boiling temp of water, freezing temp of water, and human body temp.  Thus why the term "degrees" came to be known for the values.  It's not so arbitrary if you look at it as degrees on a protractor.  That was actually a pretty spiffy idea.

Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.  But he still didn't exactly get things right in the beginning.  He set boiling point at 0 and freezing at 100.  This was obviously reversed soon after.  In the end, his scale seems more sensible and intuitive.  But, us Americans can't really figure out what any Celcius temp means without some sort of calculator.  And clearly this is not the fault of the inventor.

As far as the rest of measurments go...  The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses.  And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.


Because Ronald Reagan said metric sucks and conservatives have hated it ever since.
 
2013-07-10 02:06:34 PM

durbnpoisn: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Okay...  I definitely understand what you're getting at here.  And I absolutely agree that the US has been tremendously stupid for adopting the "standard measure" of things, while the rest of the world went with the newer and more sensible measures.

I will never be sure how or why that happened.

Here's a couple of points to note...  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles.  The scale is set on 3 variables - Boiling temp of water, freezing temp of water, and human body temp.  Thus why the term "degrees" came to be known for the values.  It's not so arbitrary if you look at it as degrees on a protractor.  That was actually a pretty spiffy idea.

Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.  But he still didn't exactly get things right in the beginning.  He set boiling point at 0 and freezing at 100.  This was obviously reversed soon after.  In the end, his scale seems more sensible and intuitive.  But, us Americans can't really figure out what any Celcius temp means without some sort of calculator.  And clearly this is not the fault of the inventor.

As far as the rest of measurments go...  The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses.  And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.


Because everyone else on the planet is a socialist especially those European countries and Canada, and if we do what they do we will be socialists too. And socialism is communism with better propaganda.

At least that is what they told me in school in the 80's when I asked about it. Metric is so easy. But that is because socialist countries have less intelligent people. Our system is a point of pride because it requires users to be smarter. All the metric system does is foster laziness.
 
2013-07-10 02:08:25 PM

lilbjorn: Oh, well by all means. Let's spend billions of tax of dollars converting over to this new clock.


I'd explain to you why this is a good idea, but I have to be at the gym in 26 femtoseconds.
 
2013-07-10 02:09:37 PM

Hollie Maea: MugzyBrown: Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C

You drive 100 kph far more than 100 mph. 100 kph = common freeway speed. 100 mph = illegal pretty much everywhere.


Do you know how fast you were going?

About 44*10^-5 C

/not sure if I did that right
 
2013-07-10 02:09:54 PM
While this is a nice incremental change, it's still not as nice as if they ever come up with a satisfactory definition of the kilogram. The kilogram is still defined as "the mass of some specific hunks of metal".
 
2013-07-10 02:11:51 PM

Random Discord: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake


Everyhing scientific is metric. Stock market dropped fractions.

Cooking , automobiles and outside temp/rain -- doesn't really make much of a difference what system is used.
 
2013-07-10 02:18:22 PM

Silly_Sot: While this is a nice incremental change, it's still not as nice as if they ever come up with a satisfactory definition of the kilogram. The kilogram is still defined as "the mass of some specific hunks of metal".


Give it another year.
 
2013-07-10 02:21:29 PM
Have any of you Yanks sped like crazy in Canada and claimed ignorance on the whole MPH/KPH thing?

/110?!?!?!
//SWEET
///CRASH

I had to fly out to Georgia last year and the rental was in MPH. Kinda odd, but I got used to it.
 
2013-07-10 02:23:05 PM

uber humper: Random Discord: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake

Everyhing scientific is metric. Stock market dropped fractions.

Cooking , automobiles and outside temp/rain -- doesn't really make much of a difference what system is used.


Not only that but switching to metric now would require a HUGE public works program. All that road signage isn't going to change itself. Every speed limit sign, mile marker, interstate exit sign would have to be replaced and I don't think those signs are cheap.
 
2013-07-10 02:27:51 PM

Hollie Maea: MugzyBrown: Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C

You drive 100 kph far more than 100 mph. 100 kph = common freeway speed. 100 mph = illegal pretty much everywhere.


I had my speedo-meter set to Knots. I get there faster
 
2013-07-10 02:34:03 PM
The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks


THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!
 
2013-07-10 02:35:29 PM

durbnpoisn: As far as the rest of measurments go... The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses. And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.


"Reliability" aside, perhaps this will make you feel a bit better.

The US does use metric; at least officially. We just simply haven't banned the old imperial system. But even the foot(yard) and pound have been redefined in terms of metric equivalents; which really does boil the situation back to "it's easier memorizing powers of 10." Usually this is just an annoyance to the slightly above average Joe; I've never run across a scientist or engineer who insists on (or even prefers) imperial.

Also, Celsius really is just as dumb as Fahrenheit; Kelvin scale excluded.

If you actually want a truly reliable system, one that intrinsically changes as our understanding of the universe changes, there are other alternatives to metric. I won't say better, because vanishing constants confuse the hell out of a casual users.

/though it was a bit weird ordering shots in Germany that are measured in cL
 
2013-07-10 02:35:46 PM

Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

Damn... that took a while

I couldn't believe it after 50-something comments no one else got it.  It was like a Match Game from Hell.
/don't f*'ing tell me you people don't know who Gene Rayburn was.


Um, they named a Federal building after him?

/i keed, i keed
//he and match game came on after bob barker and the price is right
///growing old is scary
 
2013-07-10 02:39:09 PM

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The meter was DEFINED in terms of the American inch/foot for 83 years.  Yeah, that's so much more logical than just using the inches or feet to begin with.
 
2013-07-10 02:39:53 PM

Korzine: uber humper: Random Discord: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake

Everyhing scientific is metric. Stock market dropped fractions.

Cooking , automobiles and outside temp/rain -- doesn't really make much of a difference what system is used.

Not only that but switching to metric now would require a HUGE public works program. All that road signage isn't going to change itself. Every speed limit sign, mile marker, interstate exit sign would have to be replaced and I don't think those signs are cheap.


You change it one sign at a time, replacing signs and minds as you go. Make ignorance no excuse and everyone will learn metric in a hurry. You cannot make drastic changes, but you CAN get people started by making metric the law, with a period of adjustment allowed (still ,no excuses...) Just like seatbelts, the next generation will be fluent in metric, and you'll not find anything to put that 5/8" socket on.

I'm sixty. I've tried to deal with that abomination of tenths of inches that the architects made their plans out of. Metric is a better system and Americans can adopt, if industry would just get on with it.
 
2013-07-10 02:42:13 PM

Bung_Howdy: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks


THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!


I'm amazed how many troglodytes in this thread think that the point of precise clocks is to maximize the amount of time it takes to loose a second.  But then again considering the state of education in this country, I shouldn't be surprised.
 
2013-07-10 02:46:10 PM

Mr. Titanium: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

The meter was DEFINED in terms of the American inch/foot for 83 years.  Yeah, that's so much more logical than just using the inches or feet to begin with.


No it wasn't.
 
2013-07-10 02:55:43 PM

Flt209er: durbnpoisn: As far as the rest of measurments go... The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses. And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.

"Reliability" aside, perhaps this will make you feel a bit better.

The US does use metric; at least officially.


I probably should have mentioned that part.  I know that in terms of everything in math and science, always is done in metric.  Because, you know, we need to share that sort of information with the rest of the world that doesn't use standard (imperial) measure.
 
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