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(BBC)   Aww crap, we're not gonna have to switch to metric time now are we?   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 214
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2013-07-10 09:48:15 AM  
I say we go with The Time Cube.
 
2013-07-10 10:23:20 AM  
Does anybody really know what time it is?
 
2013-07-10 10:43:57 AM  
Stardates
 
2013-07-10 11:04:09 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Four thir-TAY.

It's not late, naw, naw.

It's just a-earlAY earlAY
 
2013-07-10 11:04:12 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Bo knows
 
2013-07-10 11:10:50 AM  
The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks.

I can't quite put my finger on why, but I don't think they tested that under real time conditions.  I think they're guessing.
 
2013-07-10 11:21:24 AM  
Yeah, why don't we mandate communism and the forcible serving of broccoli for every meal.
 
2013-07-10 11:22:42 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Twenty-five (or six) to four.
 
2013-07-10 11:22:59 AM  
As a proud American, I use only Mississippis to count time.
 
2013-07-10 11:22:59 AM  
The illusion of Time is the devil's second greatest trick.

Until you don't pick up your wife on time.
 
2013-07-10 11:23:12 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


It's Q past amph.
 
2013-07-10 11:24:06 AM  
FTA: "The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks. "

They tested this-- how?
 
2013-07-10 11:24:49 AM  
deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-10 11:25:26 AM  
This sounds like a bunch of hooey.
 
2013-07-10 11:26:43 AM  
Like comment accompanying tale, Now you can tell how late your train really is -- or words to that effect.
Yay, got posting OK back after losing it furabit.
 
2013-07-10 11:27:41 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


You might find  this interesting if you can find it on some website that has TV shows for download, or something.
 
2013-07-10 11:28:00 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Time is an illusion.  Lunchtime, doubly so.
 
2013-07-10 11:29:13 AM  

Donnchadha: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Four thir-TAY.

It's not late, naw, naw.

It's just a-earlAY earlAY


I'm not sure who I hate more - you for putting that song in my head, or myself for knowing what it was in the first place.
 
2013-07-10 11:29:16 AM  

Kimpak: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Time is an illusion.  Lunchtime, doubly so.


Oh, dammit!  I came here to say that!!
 
2013-07-10 11:29:25 AM  
Meh and I consider myself accurate if I get the right day of the week much less any finer tuned time keeping.
 
2013-07-10 11:29:55 AM  
Time Passages is the eighth studio album by Al Stewart.
 
2013-07-10 11:30:43 AM  

laulaja: Yay, got posting OK back after losing it furabit.


Did you hurt someone's feelings? I've had that happen.
 
2013-07-10 11:31:01 AM  
"What time is it?"

"12:80. No wait. Wait ... What comes after 12?"

"1."

"No, after 12!"
 
2013-07-10 11:32:15 AM  
America switched to the metric system in the mid 70s. At least that's what my teacher told me in the late 60s.
 
2013-07-10 11:32:38 AM  

boarch: FTA: "The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks. "

They tested this-- how?


"As well as comparing the optical lattice clocks with our current atomic timekeepers, the researchers compared two optical clocks with each other. They found that they kept time in agreement, and were also very stable."
 
2013-07-10 11:32:45 AM  
img1.fark.net  The second is already an SI unit!
 
2013-07-10 11:32:49 AM  
I believe in coyotes, and time as an abstract.
 
2013-07-10 11:32:58 AM  
I would have no problem with metric time. It would make more sense than this 60/60/24 thing. Of course, current timekeeping makes far more sense than 8 oz in a cup, 2 cups in a quart, 4 quarts in a gallon... 12 inches in a foot, 5,280 feet in a mile, what the FARK is up with that? I think even metric sex would help, a base-10 number of thrusts before you're done... ;-P
 
2013-07-10 11:35:05 AM  
"For instance, if you have your wristwatch, and one day you are one second late, and one day one second early, then your clock is not stable. But it could still have good accuracy if over a million days the time is correct," Dr Lodewyck explained.

My watch syncs with the atomic time service in Denver. I farking love it... It's also solar, which is nice.
 
2013-07-10 11:35:29 AM  
ftfa:  Our current systems, called caesium fountains, expose clouds of caesium atoms to microwaves to get them to oscillate. But the the new ones use light to excite strontium atoms

 it has been a minute since my last science class, but isn't a microwave light too you tards ?
 
2013-07-10 11:36:28 AM  
damn, never mind.

/tard
 
2013-07-10 11:38:46 AM  
A time thread, and no Doctor Who references?

(Also came for Chicago and Spin Doctors... leaving 2/3 satisfied.)
 
2013-07-10 11:39:28 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: I think they're guessing.


No, as usual, they are not guessing.

Hint: They don't have to wait until the clock is off by a second to determine the rate of drift.
 
2013-07-10 11:39:42 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa:  Our current systems, called caesium fountains, expose clouds of caesium atoms to microwaves to get them to oscillate. But the the new ones use light to excite strontium atoms

 it has been a minute since my last science class, but isn't a microwave light too you tards ?


I'm guessing that they are using EM in the visible to human spectrum. The shorter wavelengths must (maybe) be the key.

/I'm building a gamma ray laser clock
 
2013-07-10 11:41:17 AM  
If it keeps getting later and later, how come it's early sometimes?
 
2013-07-10 11:42:01 AM  
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-10 11:43:31 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-10 11:43:53 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa:  Our current systems, called caesium fountains, expose clouds of caesium atoms to microwaves to get them to oscillate. But the the new ones use light to excite strontium atoms

 it has been a minute since my last science class, but isn't a microwave light too you tards ?


Um, no? I'm pretty sure light just refers to the visible or near visible wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. Both are on the same spectrum but microwaves aren't light.
 
2013-07-10 11:43:57 AM  
The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

Oh, well by all means.  Let's spend billions of tax of dollars converting over to this new clock.
 
2013-07-10 11:44:05 AM  
waitaminnut
Isn't that the device that they built to trap Pinhead with in that lame Hellraiser sequel?
 
2013-07-10 11:45:36 AM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Actually for temperature, Fahrenheit is more precise. 180 units of measurement between freezing and boiling point, instead of 100. That really helps when I need to know if I should wear a sweater or not.
 
2013-07-10 11:46:47 AM  
I feel like I'll never get that atomic second back.
 
2013-07-10 11:48:41 AM  

lilbjorn: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

Oh, well by all means.  Let's spend billions of tax of dollars converting over to this new clock.


Guess how I know you don't know how GPS works?

Hint: Maybe you don't care if you are off by a second after 300 million years, but you do care if you are off by a nanosecond after a minute.
 
2013-07-10 11:50:07 AM  
FTFA: "For instance, if you have your wristwatch, and one day you are one second late, and one day one second early, then your clock is not stable. But it could still have good accuracy if over a million days the time is correct," Dr Lodewyck explained.

Tom Coughlin approves.
 
2013-07-10 11:50:21 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


It's time to get ill.
 
2013-07-10 11:51:09 AM  

ERNesbitt: A time thread, and no Doctor Who references?

(Also came for Chicago and Spin Doctors... leaving 2/3 satisfied.)


You were looking for Kool Moe Dee, I'm guessing.
 
2013-07-10 11:51:31 AM  
So when do we institute the metric week?
 
2013-07-10 11:51:55 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


It's five o'clock somewhere.
 
2013-07-10 11:52:38 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


It keeps on slippin, slippin into the future.
 
2013-07-10 11:53:45 AM  
I like how they always seem to put blue lights in sciency apparatuses, as if that makes them more mysterious or something.
 
2013-07-10 11:54:34 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


it's 25 or 6 to 4
 
2013-07-10 11:54:47 AM  

boarch: FTA: "The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks. "

They tested this-- how?


Time Machine.
 
2013-07-10 11:55:02 AM  

ChrisDe: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually for temperature, Fahrenheit is more precise. 180 units of measurement between freezing and boiling point, instead of 100. That really helps when I need to know if I should wear a sweater or not.


It's great for cooking, I have no use for it in my life apart from that. But then again I don't tell people I'll be showing up somewhere in 10 minutes and 42 seconds. I also don't have different sweaters for single degree increments, call me crazy...
 
2013-07-10 11:55:05 AM  
I will not hear such maligning of metric time on Mint Day of all days.
 
2013-07-10 11:58:02 AM  

Kimpak: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Time is an illusion.  Lunchtime, doubly so.


Welcome to the Grand Illusion.
 
2013-07-10 11:58:15 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Does anybody really care?
 
2013-07-10 12:00:35 PM  
Oh, drat, I forgot to change my page-a-day. It's actually Cumin Day. I HAD BETTER SEE CUMIN ON EVERYTHING.
 
2013-07-10 12:03:34 PM  
 THUNDERCLEESE
Time is an abstract concept created by carbon-based life-forms to monitor their ongoing decay.

/But I think it's Tool Time
 
2013-07-10 12:04:20 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


I think you meant to ask which time it is.
 
2013-07-10 12:05:05 PM  

boarch: FTA: "The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks. "

They tested this-- how?


i was wondering the same thing.
 
2013-07-10 12:06:16 PM  
A clock accurate out 100 million years isn't good enough?  Who plans on being here long enough to have to adjust the clock up one second that far in the future?


Get back to me when they have an atomic Cookoo clock
 
2013-07-10 12:06:39 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?


Damn... that took a while
 
2013-07-10 12:07:11 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Um, no? I'm pretty sure light just refers to the visible or near visible wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. Both are on the same spectrum but microwaves aren't light.


Unless you're going really, really fast...
 
2013-07-10 12:07:19 PM  
In the US, we won't switch to metric time.  Referencing the precedent of metric length, we'll teach it in all of the schools but use some half-assed hybrid.
What we ended up with is items measured in feet and inches, but fractions of inches are metric.  So you'll have a clock with 12 hours and 60 minutes, but the second hand will tick 100 times per minute.  Unless you like precision timing, in which case it will  tick 10,000 times per minute, in a measurement engineers will inexplicably call "tenths" rather "ten-thousandths"
Also, since you need 2 sets of wrenches to fix anything, I'm guessing you'll now need 2 watches and 2 wall clocks for every room.
 
2013-07-10 12:10:50 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: ChrisDe: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually for temperature, Fahrenheit is more precise. 180 units of measurement between freezing and boiling point, instead of 100. That really helps when I need to know if I should wear a sweater or not.

It's great for cooking, I have no use for it in my life apart from that. But then again I don't tell people I'll be showing up somewhere in 10 minutes and 42 seconds. I also don't have different sweaters for single degree increments, call me crazy...


I cook in Celsius, and I haven't burned any water yet.
 
2013-07-10 12:12:32 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


It's just a jump to the left.
 
2013-07-10 12:13:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


I've got the time...

/tick tick tickin in my head....
 
2013-07-10 12:13:23 PM  

feuerwehrmann: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

it's 25 or 6 to 4


Does anyone really care ?
 
2013-07-10 12:13:49 PM  

Hollie Maea: lilbjorn: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

Oh, well by all means.  Let's spend billions of tax of dollars converting over to this new clock.

Guess how I know you don't know how GPS works?

Hint: Maybe you don't care if you are off by a second after 300 million years, but you do care if you are off by a nanosecond after a minute.


Guess how I know you flunked math.
 
2013-07-10 12:15:15 PM  

oldernell: I say we go with The Time Cube.


came for this, leaving happy.
 
2013-07-10 12:16:50 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?


I can't imagine why.
 
2013-07-10 12:17:11 PM  
Time to put the ol' MASER up on Ebay.
 
2013-07-10 12:17:41 PM  

ChrisDe: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually for temperature, Fahrenheit is more precise. 180 units of measurement between freezing and boiling point, instead of 100. That really helps when I need to know if I should wear a sweater or not.


And why don't all these celsius proponents acknowledge that it is inferior to Kelvin? If you plan to be arbitrarily precise you might as well go all the way. And setting 100 increments between the freezing point and boiling point of water at sea level is arbitrary as well.
 
2013-07-10 12:18:50 PM  
Nobody's name-dropped the Hives yet, who have an  entire song dedicated to this concept?
 
2013-07-10 12:18:51 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk:
Damn... that took a while

Some people were pretty close, but not quite there, but yeah, I thought the same thing.
 
2013-07-10 12:19:14 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Year/Month/Day makes more sense than day/month/year.

Also, putting the surname before the given name (as they do in East Asia) makes more sense. None of this "Last Name, First Name, M.I." nonsense on forms, you would just write it out as you normally say it.

/senary is better than decimal, anyway.
 
2013-07-10 12:19:39 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Mr Grouper, is that you?
 
2013-07-10 12:21:31 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

Damn... that took a while


Had to make sure you have time enough to cry.  Or something.
 
2013-07-10 12:23:01 PM  
www.jonknoll.com

Crap, that's confusing.
 
2013-07-10 12:24:03 PM  
Wait... I know, I I'll buy a metric clock that GOES TO ELEVEN!

2.bp.blogspot.com

/It's one more
 
2013-07-10 12:30:07 PM  

Langdon Alger: THUNDERCLEESE
Time is an abstract concept created by carbon-based life-forms to monitor their ongoing decay.

/But I think it's Tool Time


No, time was invented by the Universe.

Seconds are the work of man...
 
2013-07-10 12:31:11 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

Damn... that took a while


I couldn't believe it after 50-something comments no one else got it.  It was like a Match Game from Hell.
/don't f*'ing tell me you people don't know who Gene Rayburn was.
 
2013-07-10 12:33:22 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Month day year makes sense from a weather information standpoint.  Considering that for most of human history, most of the stuff we've done is highly dependent on the weather, getting that information first makes sense.  Telling somebody that something happened in June provides a lot of information.  Saying it happened on the 23rd does not.  The year is least important from the sense of the weather, aside from outliers such as the year of a massive volcanic eruption lowering temperatures.  The rest of the American standard needs to get tossed for Metric though.
 
2013-07-10 12:39:27 PM  
What the hell is caesium?
 
2013-07-10 12:40:23 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Yet somehow we made it to the Moon....
 
2013-07-10 12:44:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Not really, but if I knew my exact time, I wouldn't know my frequency.
 
2013-07-10 12:45:32 PM  

lilbjorn: Hollie Maea: lilbjorn: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

Oh, well by all means.  Let's spend billions of tax of dollars converting over to this new clock.

Guess how I know you don't know how GPS works?

Hint: Maybe you don't care if you are off by a second after 300 million years, but you do care if you are off by a nanosecond after a minute.

Guess how I know you flunked math.


Uh, those weren't intended to be equivalent.  I didn't bother to do the math, but obviously the point sailed way over your head.  Let me try again with simpler words: You might not care if your clock is off by a fairly small amount over a very long time but you might care if your clock is off by a very small amount over a fairly short time.  Again, look up how GPS works.
 
2013-07-10 12:45:33 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


By my calculations it is 5:73  Décade III Jour du Duodi Messidor,  Année 221 de la  République.
 
2013-07-10 12:50:22 PM  
Doesn't matter how accurate the new clock is, my wife will still be late.  Always.  For everything.
 
2013-07-10 12:51:07 PM  
www.harkavagrant.com
 
2013-07-10 12:52:56 PM  
Rick Mercer "Talking To Americans" blew the lid off metric time back in 2000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo around 3:15
"Twenty hour day ... An hour of Canadian time has about 65 American minutes."

/ both RMR and This Hour Has 22 Minutes are hilarious
// Go, Marg!
 
2013-07-10 12:55:50 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


It's Tool Time!
 
2013-07-10 12:56:56 PM  
Metric is the shiz.

Except for measuring human height.

It's easy to picture, say 6 units. That guy is 6 feet tall.
Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.
 
2013-07-10 01:00:46 PM  
The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years

Talk about a dedicated QA department.
 
2013-07-10 01:01:36 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Obsessive-compulsive standardization is a sign of an inferior mind.

My ipsokinetos gets 88 furlongs per pottle in the city and that's how I like it!
 
2013-07-10 01:02:46 PM  
I've got a watch with a minute hand, millennium hand, and an eon hand.

/when they meet it's happy land
 
2013-07-10 01:03:42 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.


I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.
 
2013-07-10 01:04:47 PM  
 
2013-07-10 01:05:02 PM  

Saiga410: So when do we institute the metric week?


The French already tried it, then they decided it would be more fun to cut off heads as public entertainment. Finally, they decided that conquering Europe would be even more fun. Moral: Don't dick with "metric time", it makes you into a total shiathead.
 
2013-07-10 01:06:43 PM  

AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.


A good point. I guess we can move the zeros left and right to figure out all kinds o stuff.
 
2013-07-10 01:11:33 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: The illusion of Time is the devil's second greatest trick.

Until you don't pick up your wife on time.


Time is an illusion...lunch time doubly so.   -Doug Adams, in Readers Digest
 
2013-07-10 01:12:15 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.
 
2013-07-10 01:17:57 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.

A good point. I guess we can move the zeros left and right to figure out all kinds o stuff.


To be accurate, it's 1.83 Meters tall, a perfectly cromulent number.

We should develop Decimeters for the American taste. It's about the length of the average dick. Americans could understand that.
 
2013-07-10 01:19:14 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Metric is the shiz.

Except for measuring human height.

It's easy to picture, say 6 units. That guy is 6 feet tall.
Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.


When I try to impress people I ususally switch to the metric system.  Oh ya baby all 75mm.
 
2013-07-10 01:22:15 PM  
Many technologies such as telecommunications, satellite navigation and the stock markets rely on ever-better time measurements.


What?
 
2013-07-10 01:22:17 PM  

MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.


It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.
 
2013-07-10 01:23:31 PM  

AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.


when the difference between three sigma of human height is less than 1 full unit of a measure, it's a piss-poor measurement for human dimensions.  That the metric system has not analogue to the foot is basically its biggest flaw
 
2013-07-10 01:24:02 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Actually, it wasn't an "arbitrary" scale for Fahrenheit. We learned about this in Astronomy, so bear with me if I'm not 100% right. The guy was adjusting for salt water and sea level, I believe... There was actually a reason for that one, but the rest is wack-a-doodle bullshiat.
 
2013-07-10 01:26:04 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa:  Our current systems, called caesium fountains, expose clouds of caesium atoms to microwaves to get them to oscillate. But the the new ones use light to excite strontium atoms

 it has been a minute since my last science class, but isn't a microwave light too you tards ?


no

/if it's only been a minute since your last science class you might try to get your money back.
 
2013-07-10 01:27:03 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Why? Does the time brother you?
 
2013-07-10 01:34:02 PM  

Silly_Sot: Saiga410: So when do we institute the metric week?

The French already tried it, then they decided it would be more fun to cut off heads as public entertainment. Finally, they decided that conquering Europe would be even more fun. Moral: Don't dick with "metric time", it makes you into a total shiathead.


upload.wikimedia.org

No, it's that they found out they could cut off more heads in a twenty-four hour day.  2 hour lunches are too long in a 10 hour day
 
2013-07-10 01:37:25 PM  

Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.


Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?
 
2013-07-10 01:38:14 PM  
I'd love to add my two cents to this thread, but it's already @733, and I only get 31.25 beats for my lunch break.
 
2013-07-10 01:38:47 PM  
Still no cure for the common cold.
 
2013-07-10 01:39:50 PM  

Magorn: AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.

when the difference between three sigma of human height is less than 1 full unit of a measure, it's a piss-poor measurement for human dimensions.  That the metric system has not analogue to the foot is basically its biggest flaw


"Full unit of measurement" is arbitrary. Don't like decimals? Measure height in decimeters then.
 
2013-07-10 01:41:22 PM  
Fahrenheit is better for day to day weather use.

0 degrees is cold, 100 degrees is hot.. a lot better than a range of -15 to 40.
 
2013-07-10 01:41:23 PM  

clambam: Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.

Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?


-145C?
 
2013-07-10 01:41:25 PM  

Mikeyworld: SovietCanuckistan: AndreMA: SovietCanuckistan: Tougher in metric units. That guy is 183 cms tall.

I have no problem visualizing 1.8 meters.

A good point. I guess we can move the zeros left and right to figure out all kinds o stuff.

To be accurate, it's 1.83 Meters tall, a perfectly cromulent number.

We should develop Decimeters for the American taste. It's about the length of the average dick. Americans could understand that.


How tall is the average Republican? BOOM!
 
2013-07-10 01:44:55 PM  
Being that people are sentient bags of mostly salt water, Fahrenheit is a better scale for temperature perception.
 
2013-07-10 01:45:25 PM  

clambam: Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.

Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?


About -230F?  How do you define "twice as cold"?  Is it the same as "half as hot"?
 
2013-07-10 01:45:34 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Okay...  I definitely understand what you're getting at here.  And I absolutely agree that the US has been tremendously stupid for adopting the "standard measure" of things, while the rest of the world went with the newer and more sensible measures.

I will never be sure how or why that happened.

Here's a couple of points to note...  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles.  The scale is set on 3 variables - Boiling temp of water, freezing temp of water, and human body temp.  Thus why the term "degrees" came to be known for the values.  It's not so arbitrary if you look at it as degrees on a protractor.  That was actually a pretty spiffy idea.

Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.  But he still didn't exactly get things right in the beginning.  He set boiling point at 0 and freezing at 100.  This was obviously reversed soon after.  In the end, his scale seems more sensible and intuitive.  But, us Americans can't really figure out what any Celcius temp means without some sort of calculator.  And clearly this is not the fault of the inventor.

As far as the rest of measurments go...  The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses.  And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.
 
2013-07-10 01:47:05 PM  

clambam: Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.

Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?


"Twice as cold" makes no logical sense as a phrase.
 
2013-07-10 01:48:17 PM  

durbnpoisn: Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles....Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.


As usual, you've completely forgotten about the critical contributions of Sir John Centigrade.
 
2013-07-10 01:48:17 PM  
Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C
 
2013-07-10 01:49:56 PM  

Gosling: Oh, drat, I forgot to change my page-a-day. It's actually Cumin Day. I HAD BETTER SEE CUMIN ON EVERYTHING.


I'm only one man! I'll do my best, but 8 already get to cumin at least twice a day, usually when I wake up and right before bed.
 
2013-07-10 01:55:38 PM  
If you use day/month/year you are a backwards rube you should be using the obviously superior metric for keeping time and measuring time in kiloseconds
 
2013-07-10 01:56:18 PM  
Remember this time people, 80 past 2 on April 47th, it's the dawn of a new enlightenment.
 
2013-07-10 01:57:59 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


That's because were EXCEPTIONAL.
 
2013-07-10 01:59:08 PM  

Graffito: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

That's because were EXCEPTIONAL.


And apostrophes are so pre-iPhone.
 
2013-07-10 01:59:33 PM  
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake
 
2013-07-10 02:02:09 PM  

MugzyBrown: Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C


You drive 100 kph far more than 100 mph. 100 kph = common freeway speed. 100 mph = illegal pretty much everywhere.
 
2013-07-10 02:02:40 PM  

semiotix: durbnpoisn: Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles....Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.

As usual, you've completely forgotten about the critical contributions of Sir John Centigrade.



Well, he did everything left handed while standing on his head.  And I'm pretty sure he was a jerk.
 
2013-07-10 02:04:14 PM  

durbnpoisn: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Okay...  I definitely understand what you're getting at here.  And I absolutely agree that the US has been tremendously stupid for adopting the "standard measure" of things, while the rest of the world went with the newer and more sensible measures.

I will never be sure how or why that happened.

Here's a couple of points to note...  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles.  The scale is set on 3 variables - Boiling temp of water, freezing temp of water, and human body temp.  Thus why the term "degrees" came to be known for the values.  It's not so arbitrary if you look at it as degrees on a protractor.  That was actually a pretty spiffy idea.

Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.  But he still didn't exactly get things right in the beginning.  He set boiling point at 0 and freezing at 100.  This was obviously reversed soon after.  In the end, his scale seems more sensible and intuitive.  But, us Americans can't really figure out what any Celcius temp means without some sort of calculator.  And clearly this is not the fault of the inventor.

As far as the rest of measurments go...  The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses.  And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.


Because Ronald Reagan said metric sucks and conservatives have hated it ever since.
 
2013-07-10 02:06:34 PM  

durbnpoisn: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Okay...  I definitely understand what you're getting at here.  And I absolutely agree that the US has been tremendously stupid for adopting the "standard measure" of things, while the rest of the world went with the newer and more sensible measures.

I will never be sure how or why that happened.

Here's a couple of points to note...  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles.  The scale is set on 3 variables - Boiling temp of water, freezing temp of water, and human body temp.  Thus why the term "degrees" came to be known for the values.  It's not so arbitrary if you look at it as degrees on a protractor.  That was actually a pretty spiffy idea.

Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.  But he still didn't exactly get things right in the beginning.  He set boiling point at 0 and freezing at 100.  This was obviously reversed soon after.  In the end, his scale seems more sensible and intuitive.  But, us Americans can't really figure out what any Celcius temp means without some sort of calculator.  And clearly this is not the fault of the inventor.

As far as the rest of measurments go...  The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses.  And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.


Because everyone else on the planet is a socialist especially those European countries and Canada, and if we do what they do we will be socialists too. And socialism is communism with better propaganda.

At least that is what they told me in school in the 80's when I asked about it. Metric is so easy. But that is because socialist countries have less intelligent people. Our system is a point of pride because it requires users to be smarter. All the metric system does is foster laziness.
 
2013-07-10 02:08:25 PM  

lilbjorn: Oh, well by all means. Let's spend billions of tax of dollars converting over to this new clock.


I'd explain to you why this is a good idea, but I have to be at the gym in 26 femtoseconds.
 
2013-07-10 02:09:37 PM  

Hollie Maea: MugzyBrown: Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C

You drive 100 kph far more than 100 mph. 100 kph = common freeway speed. 100 mph = illegal pretty much everywhere.


Do you know how fast you were going?

About 44*10^-5 C

/not sure if I did that right
 
2013-07-10 02:09:54 PM  
While this is a nice incremental change, it's still not as nice as if they ever come up with a satisfactory definition of the kilogram. The kilogram is still defined as "the mass of some specific hunks of metal".
 
2013-07-10 02:11:51 PM  

Random Discord: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake


Everyhing scientific is metric. Stock market dropped fractions.

Cooking , automobiles and outside temp/rain -- doesn't really make much of a difference what system is used.
 
2013-07-10 02:18:22 PM  

Silly_Sot: While this is a nice incremental change, it's still not as nice as if they ever come up with a satisfactory definition of the kilogram. The kilogram is still defined as "the mass of some specific hunks of metal".


Give it another year.
 
2013-07-10 02:21:29 PM  
Have any of you Yanks sped like crazy in Canada and claimed ignorance on the whole MPH/KPH thing?

/110?!?!?!
//SWEET
///CRASH

I had to fly out to Georgia last year and the rental was in MPH. Kinda odd, but I got used to it.
 
2013-07-10 02:23:05 PM  

uber humper: Random Discord: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake

Everyhing scientific is metric. Stock market dropped fractions.

Cooking , automobiles and outside temp/rain -- doesn't really make much of a difference what system is used.


Not only that but switching to metric now would require a HUGE public works program. All that road signage isn't going to change itself. Every speed limit sign, mile marker, interstate exit sign would have to be replaced and I don't think those signs are cheap.
 
2013-07-10 02:27:51 PM  

Hollie Maea: MugzyBrown: Also MPH is better than KPH for driving.

0 stopped, 100 pretty darn fast

So MPH & F > KPH & C

You drive 100 kph far more than 100 mph. 100 kph = common freeway speed. 100 mph = illegal pretty much everywhere.


I had my speedo-meter set to Knots. I get there faster
 
2013-07-10 02:34:03 PM  
The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks


THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!
 
2013-07-10 02:35:29 PM  

durbnpoisn: As far as the rest of measurments go... The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses. And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.


"Reliability" aside, perhaps this will make you feel a bit better.

The US does use metric; at least officially. We just simply haven't banned the old imperial system. But even the foot(yard) and pound have been redefined in terms of metric equivalents; which really does boil the situation back to "it's easier memorizing powers of 10." Usually this is just an annoyance to the slightly above average Joe; I've never run across a scientist or engineer who insists on (or even prefers) imperial.

Also, Celsius really is just as dumb as Fahrenheit; Kelvin scale excluded.

If you actually want a truly reliable system, one that intrinsically changes as our understanding of the universe changes, there are other alternatives to metric. I won't say better, because vanishing constants confuse the hell out of a casual users.

/though it was a bit weird ordering shots in Germany that are measured in cL
 
2013-07-10 02:35:46 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nana's Vibrator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

Damn... that took a while

I couldn't believe it after 50-something comments no one else got it.  It was like a Match Game from Hell.
/don't f*'ing tell me you people don't know who Gene Rayburn was.


Um, they named a Federal building after him?

/i keed, i keed
//he and match game came on after bob barker and the price is right
///growing old is scary
 
2013-07-10 02:39:09 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


The meter was DEFINED in terms of the American inch/foot for 83 years.  Yeah, that's so much more logical than just using the inches or feet to begin with.
 
2013-07-10 02:39:53 PM  

Korzine: uber humper: Random Discord: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake

Everyhing scientific is metric. Stock market dropped fractions.

Cooking , automobiles and outside temp/rain -- doesn't really make much of a difference what system is used.

Not only that but switching to metric now would require a HUGE public works program. All that road signage isn't going to change itself. Every speed limit sign, mile marker, interstate exit sign would have to be replaced and I don't think those signs are cheap.


You change it one sign at a time, replacing signs and minds as you go. Make ignorance no excuse and everyone will learn metric in a hurry. You cannot make drastic changes, but you CAN get people started by making metric the law, with a period of adjustment allowed (still ,no excuses...) Just like seatbelts, the next generation will be fluent in metric, and you'll not find anything to put that 5/8" socket on.

I'm sixty. I've tried to deal with that abomination of tenths of inches that the architects made their plans out of. Metric is a better system and Americans can adopt, if industry would just get on with it.
 
2013-07-10 02:42:13 PM  

Bung_Howdy: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks


THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!


I'm amazed how many troglodytes in this thread think that the point of precise clocks is to maximize the amount of time it takes to loose a second.  But then again considering the state of education in this country, I shouldn't be surprised.
 
2013-07-10 02:46:10 PM  

Mr. Titanium: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

The meter was DEFINED in terms of the American inch/foot for 83 years.  Yeah, that's so much more logical than just using the inches or feet to begin with.


No it wasn't.
 
2013-07-10 02:55:43 PM  

Flt209er: durbnpoisn: As far as the rest of measurments go... The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses. And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.

"Reliability" aside, perhaps this will make you feel a bit better.

The US does use metric; at least officially.


I probably should have mentioned that part.  I know that in terms of everything in math and science, always is done in metric.  Because, you know, we need to share that sort of information with the rest of the world that doesn't use standard (imperial) measure.
 
2013-07-10 03:03:43 PM  

durbnpoisn: I know that in terms of everything in math and science, always is done in metric.


If only that were true.
But hey, replacing freeway signs would be expensive.
 
2013-07-10 03:07:50 PM  

Mikeyworld: You change it one sign at a time, replacing signs and minds as you go. Make ignorance no excuse and everyone will learn metric in a hurry. You cannot make drastic changes, but you CAN get people started by making metric the law, with a period of adjustment allowed (still ,no excuses...) Just like seatbelts, the next generation will be fluent in metric, and you'll not find anything to put that 5/8" socket on.

I'm sixty. I've tried to deal with that abomination of tenths of inches that the architects made their plans out of. Metric is a better system and Americans can adopt, if industry would just get on with it.


You have much more faith in people than I do. To me doing only some of the signs a little at a time is just asking for trouble. People doing 45 kmh in a 45 mph zone and vice-versa, people slamming on their breaks on the highway because their exit came up faster than they expected and they can't go to the next exit and loop back because. Worse things that don't come to mind because my imagination is too limited.

/Plus speed traps become 1000x more insidious.
 
2013-07-10 03:08:39 PM  
0 degrees F = 255 degrees K. Half of 255 degrees K = 127 degrees K = -230 degrees F. So the answer is "really cold."
 
2013-07-10 03:25:53 PM  

clambam: 0 degrees F = 255 degrees K. Half of 255 degrees K = 127 degrees K = -230 degrees F. So the answer is "really cold."


Simple version...
<40 = colder than shiat
<55 = cold
<70 = cool
70 - 90 = just right
<100 = hot
> 100 = Africa hot
 
2013-07-10 03:33:59 PM  
The measures we'll never shed are the ones natural and originating from pre-accuracy eras.

Minutes and seconds are brief periods, an hour is a chunk of time, a day is self defining, and a year can be stopped at 360, which has 24 divsors{1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 24, 30, 36, 40, 45, 60, 72, 90, 120, 180, 360} and it helps of you have a week or so around solstice to get hammered.

24 and 60 also have nifty factors.
 
2013-07-10 03:42:28 PM  

wildcardjack: The measures we'll never shed are the ones natural and originating from pre-accuracy eras.

Minutes and seconds are brief periods, an hour is a chunk of time, a day is self defining, and a year can be stopped at 360, which has 24 divsors{1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 24, 30, 36, 40, 45, 60, 72, 90, 120, 180, 360} and it helps of you have a week or so around solstice to get hammered.

24 and 60 also have nifty factors.


I've always been partial to 13 months of 28 days, with an extra day (two every 4 years) to add for an annual holiday.
 
2013-07-10 03:43:38 PM  
Sorry, can't weigh in on this discussion, I've got to be at the gym in 25.99999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999 minutes.
 
2013-07-10 03:59:32 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Why would anyone assume that Fahrenheit is based on the temperature at which water freezes or boils?  That is as silly as suggesting that Celsius is based on the temperature of a brine solution and the temperature of the human body.
 
2013-07-10 04:08:54 PM  
You don't all ready use metric time? Well how do you expect to make the Kessel run in just 12 parsecs then?

Remember in metric time there 1.13 regular seconds to 1 metric second 15 centons and .000178 parsecs.
 
2013-07-10 04:11:44 PM  

boarch: FTA: "The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks. "

They tested this-- how?


WITH SCIENCE biatchES
 
2013-07-10 04:13:25 PM  

Bung_Howdy: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!


And someone somewhere is getting paid a metric tonload of money to figure all this stupid crap out.
 
2013-07-10 04:15:56 PM  

sharphead: Bung_Howdy: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!

And someone somewhere is getting paid a metric tonload of money to figure all this stupid crap out.


I know, right?  GPS sucks.  I wish it were never invented.
 
2013-07-10 04:23:29 PM  

Josu: sharphead: Bung_Howdy: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!

And someone somewhere is getting paid a metric tonload of money to figure all this stupid crap out.

I know, right?  GPS sucks.  I wish it were never invented.


GPS is great.... figuring out something as trivial as being 1 second more accurate in a 100 million years is retarded.
 
2013-07-10 04:28:40 PM  
One scientific advance leads to another.  Scientific advances lead to real-world applications.  It doesn't matter if you can't imagine why a scientific advance is useful, because somebody smarter will.
 
2013-07-10 04:30:20 PM  

sharphead: Josu: sharphead: Bung_Howdy: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

THANK GAWD! I have been frantic over the issue of losing 1 second every 100 million years with our current atomic clocks. What a VAST improvement! SCIENCE!

And someone somewhere is getting paid a metric tonload of money to figure all this stupid crap out.

I know, right?  GPS sucks.  I wish it were never invented.

GPS is great.... figuring out something as trivial as being 1 second more accurate in a 100 million years is retarded.


Another shiathead who knows nothing.  You guys should start a support group.
 
2013-07-10 04:31:07 PM  

durbnpoisn: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Okay...  I definitely understand what you're getting at here.  And I absolutely agree that the US has been tremendously stupid for adopting the "standard measure" of things, while the rest of the world went with the newer and more sensible measures.

I will never be sure how or why that happened.

Here's a couple of points to note...  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit based his temperature scale on angles.  The scale is set on 3 variables - Boiling temp of water, freezing temp of water, and human body temp.  Thus why the term "degrees" came to be known for the values.  It's not so arbitrary if you look at it as degrees on a protractor.  That was actually a pretty spiffy idea.

Now Anders Celcius, who came up with the competing scale, totally did it a different way.  But he still didn't exactly get things right in the beginning.  He set boiling point at 0 and freezing at 100.  This was obviously reversed soon after.  In the end, his scale seems more sensible and intuitive.  But, us Americans can't really figure out what any Celcius temp means without some sort of calculator.  And clearly this is not the fault of the inventor.

As far as the rest of measurments go...  The metric system makes far more intuitive sense than what the US still uses.  And I really do not know why we haven't just abandoned that nonsense in favor of the more reliable system.


The whole point of both scales, is they were able to write up an explanation of how the scales worked, and scientists all over the world would be able to reproduce thermometers that produced similar results.    In the 17th and 18th centuries, it was cheaper to transmit the information on how to make something, than it was to make it and ship it around the world.   Speeded adaptation too
 
2013-07-10 04:31:57 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks.

I can't quite put my finger on why, but I don't think they tested that under real time conditions.  I think they're guessing.


If you watch it for a few years and it only loses 0.000000000333~ seconds a year, then it only loses 1 second every 300 million years.
 
2013-07-10 04:36:45 PM  

Mikeyworld: Korzine: uber humper: Random Discord: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we farking switch to metric already.

for farks sake

Everyhing scientific is metric. Stock market dropped fractions.

Cooking , automobiles and outside temp/rain -- doesn't really make much of a difference what system is used.

Not only that but switching to metric now would require a HUGE public works program. All that road signage isn't going to change itself. Every speed limit sign, mile marker, interstate exit sign would have to be replaced and I don't think those signs are cheap.

You change it one sign at a time, replacing signs and minds as you go. Make ignorance no excuse and everyone will learn metric in a hurry. You cannot make drastic changes, but you CAN get people started by making metric the law, with a period of adjustment allowed (still ,no excuses...) Just like seatbelts, the next generation will be fluent in metric, and you'll not find anything to put that 5/8" socket on.

I'm sixty. I've tried to deal with that abomination of tenths of inches that the architects made their plans out of. Metric is a better system and Americans can adopt, if industry would just get on with it.


Most US industries have switched to metric.  Once upon a time, the automobile industry was the hangup.   Now it's aerospace.   Most machine shops in the US produce parts in metric units.   My shop uses english, because most of our customers give us prints in english units.   Our CNC salesman calls it the "Boeing Effect".
 
2013-07-10 04:50:25 PM  

I_Am_Weasel:

The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks.

I can't quite put my finger on why, but I don't think they tested that under real time conditions.  I think they're guessing.

Not guessing, extrapolating.
 
2013-07-10 04:55:26 PM  

Mikey1969:

"For instance, if you have your wristwatch, and one day you are one second late, and one day one second early, then your clock is not stable. But it could still have good accuracy if over a million days the time is correct," Dr Lodewyck explained.

My watch syncs with the atomic time service in Denver. I farking love it... It's also solar, which is nice.

Too far away from Denver for that to work here, (Hawai'i) and no clock or watch I've seen will sync to WWVH...
 
2013-07-10 04:57:25 PM  

Mimic_Octopus:

ftfa:  Our current systems, called caesium fountains, expose clouds of caesium atoms to microwaves to get them to oscillate. But the the new ones use light to excite strontium atoms

 it has been a minute since my last science class, but isn't a microwave light too you tards ?

Verbal shorthand failure.  In this case, they should have said "visible light."
 
2013-07-10 05:00:09 PM  

Hollie Maea: durbnpoisn: I know that in terms of everything in math and science, always is done in metric.

If only that were true.
But hey, replacing freeway signs would be expensive.


When I heard NASA was sticking with imperial units on the SLS I lost a good chunk of faith in that organization (even though I know why they are doing it...legacy hardware).
Then Charlie Bolden claimed that no other country in the world had ever landed a craft on another world (groan). So what is Venus/USSR then exactly, Mr. NASA Administrator?

Sometimes you can cure stupid, other times you need to take comfort in the fact that you're not alone.
 
2013-07-10 05:06:30 PM  

GeneralJim: Mikey1969: "For instance, if you have your wristwatch, and one day you are one second late, and one day one second early, then your clock is not stable. But it could still have good accuracy if over a million days the time is correct," Dr Lodewyck explained.

My watch syncs with the atomic time service in Denver. I farking love it... It's also solar, which is nice.
Too far away from Denver for that to work here, (Hawai'i) and no clock or watch I've seen will sync to WWVH...


Biggest problem I have is that in Salt Lake, I am often in the shadow of the Wasatch Range, and won't get a signal for 3 days or so. Otherwise, works like a charm.

And yeah, I think currently with these G-Shocks, Denver is the only one they use.
 
2013-07-10 05:07:31 PM  

weiserfireman: Once upon a time, the automobile industry was the hangup.   Now it's aerospace.


In general, the biggest hangup (besides conservative politicians) is Mechanical Engineers.  A ton of them--and just about all the instructors, it seems--learned engineering in the Navy, and they can't bear the thought of not being able to use their military issue "engineering units" steam tables, or having to re-memorize their favorite equations (although most of them work automatically in the metric system if you take off, say, the 14.7 (or whatever) at the beginning of the equation that makes it work in slug-feet.
 
2013-07-10 05:07:51 PM  

Teaser:

[i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Measurement units as an anti-American rant...  Points for originality.

However, the BEST way to represent date is the way Fark does it -- look at the post times...


[full year]-[zero-filled two digit month]-[zero-filled two digit day of month]  for the day.

The reason that's "best" is that they sort alphabetically or numerically into sequential order, at least for any date that is A.D.


The time is the same way: [hours]:[minutes]:[seconds] ...

However, to sort by TIME as well as date, drop the AM/PM bullshiat, and use 24 hour time.

 
2013-07-10 05:09:11 PM  

clambam: Donnchadha: MayContainHorseGluten: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually that Fahrenheit thing is wrong. 0 °F is when seawater freezes. 0 °C is freshwater.   Not arbitrary.

It's actually based on a temperature of an ammonium chloride slurry for the zero point. The freezing point of pure water was set to 32 degrees so that any "degree" mark could be identified through dividing the scale by 2 repeatedly.

Yesterday it was zero degrees F outside. Today it is twice as cold. What is the temperature?


Well, if "twice as cold" means "half as warm" it'd be about 28 below.
 
2013-07-10 05:11:01 PM  

lilbjorn:

The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years - making them three times as accurate as current atomic clocks

Oh, well by all means.  Let's spend billions of tax of dollars converting over to this new clock.

You're not getting this, are you?
 
2013-07-10 05:14:06 PM  

ChrisDe:

Actually for temperature, Fahrenheit is more precise. 180 units of measurement between freezing and boiling point, instead of 100. That really helps when I need to know if I should wear a sweater or not.
Better yet: Celsius with one digit past the decimal point.  Ta-dah!  You do see outside temperature readings that way where Celsius rules, but I've never seen that with Fahrenheit temperatures on the news.
 
2013-07-10 05:17:36 PM  

GeneralJim: You're not getting this, are you?


There are like 5 or 6 of them in this thread making the same braindead argument.
 
2013-07-10 05:21:37 PM  

Fano:

ChrisDe: Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Actually for temperature, Fahrenheit is more precise. 180 units of measurement between freezing and boiling point, instead of 100. That really helps when I need to know if I should wear a sweater or not.

And why don't all these celsius proponents acknowledge that it is inferior to Kelvin? If you plan to be arbitrarily precise you might as well go all the way. And setting 100 increments between the freezing point and boiling point of water at sea level is arbitrary as well.
Because the first time you tell someone it is 293 outside, they'll freak right out.  Also, global warming alarmists will count that change as proof of disastrous warming, and send trillions of dollars to India and China.
 
2013-07-10 05:35:10 PM  

GeneralJim: Also, global warming alarmists will count that change as proof of disastrous warming, and send trillions of dollars to India and China.


Doesn't that strawman belong in the "Global warming in 1913 LOL" thread?  Or did they scare you away by turning it into a boobies thread?
 
2013-07-10 05:45:03 PM  

Hollie Maea: weiserfireman: Once upon a time, the automobile industry was the hangup.   Now it's aerospace.

In general, the biggest hangup (besides conservative politicians) is Mechanical Engineers.  A ton of them--and just about all the instructors, it seems--learned engineering in the Navy, and they can't bear the thought of not being able to use their military issue "engineering units" steam tables, or having to re-memorize their favorite equations (although most of them work automatically in the metric system if you take off, say, the 14.7 (or whatever) at the beginning of the equation that makes it work in slug-feet.


I would personally be happier to see slug-feet instead of the current pants-on-head retarded implementation of pounds-force-feet vs pounds-mass-feet. And that's not even counting metric-ish mils and microinches.

The root of the aerospace problem isn't the engineers/technicians so much as it's the specs to which the aerospace contracts (and any subcontractors/vendors/manufacturers/suppliers) must conform. The requirements of MIL-STD/PRF/whatever are all expressed in weird metric-wannabe imperial units, and the library of MIL/J/whatever documents is absolutely gigantic. And that's nothing compared to the library of thousands upon thousands of old manufacturer part specs. The industry is starting to see conversions; mainly in the form of requirements being expressed in both imperial and metric units, but it'll be a long time before A) all of the old but active documents get revised into metric, and B) all of legacy stuff gets retired.

The old cranky engineers certainly aren't helping, but if there were an industry-wide push to go metric and go quickly, they'd be powerless to do anything much besides grumble to themselves or retire.
 
2013-07-10 05:49:23 PM  

Hollie Maea: GeneralJim: Also, global warming alarmists will count that change as proof of disastrous warming, and send trillions of dollars to India and China.

Doesn't that strawman belong in the "Global warming in 1913 LOL" thread?  Or did they scare you away by turning it into a boobies thread?


That turned into a boobies thread? I gotta go look into this 1913 global warming thing. BRB
 
2013-07-10 05:51:52 PM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


As somebody who designs and fabricates machinery with very precise tolerances for a living, I have to say... the american system of measurements is farking pants on head retarded.

1/4 of an inch works well for building a shelf.  Even 1/8 of an inch.  But the next time I have to figure out if a machine part is 21/64, 25/64 or 11/32, i'm going to farking stab somebody.
 
2013-07-10 05:58:18 PM  

Hollie Maea:

I'm amazed how many troglodytes in this thread think that the point of precise clocks is to maximize the amount of time it takes to loose a second. But then again considering the state of education in this country, I shouldn't be surprised.

Dunno, but maybe you should ASK people if that's what they think.  The amount of time to lose/gain a second is a measure of the drift rate of the time standard, and given very good stability, a proxy for accuracy.  Would you feel better if, instead of 1 sec/300MY, it was rated as 1 microsecond every 300 years?  It's the same thing.  (And mind-reading has STILL not been demonstrated.)
 
2013-07-10 06:02:02 PM  

Pick:

Sorry, can't weigh in on this discussion, I've got to be at the gym in 25.99999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999 minutes.
Whoops.  Looks like you're using an old Pentium chip...
 
2013-07-10 06:02:18 PM  

Hollie Maea: GeneralJim: You're not getting this, are you?

There are like 5 or 6 of them in this thread making the same braindead argument.


You strike me as the type of person who might be able ball park the increase in accuracy this would mean to GPS. Any speculation? Would it just be a 3 fold increase in accuracy or would that be multiplied by the number of satellites?

Current GPS is theoretically accurate to about 14 ft. if I did my math right. Most receivers are accurate down to about 100 ft. (again my math). Would the new clock reduce the theoretical down to under 5 ft.? That would be awesome as long as we could get receivers to notice the difference.
 
2013-07-10 06:06:01 PM  

SewerSquirrels: When I heard NASA was sticking with imperial units on the SLS I lost a good chunk of faith in that organization


Because converting and re-labeling all their existing parts, specs, and other measurement-related data wouldn't be subject to the same sort of error that you're worried about? There's a huge risk in changing measurement systems -- all those 1/4" bolts don't suddenly become 6mm just because you decided to use SI this week -- and all you get from changing systems is pre-loading all that conversion risk to the current stage of the project. Eventually there are benefits with respect to coordination with external processes, but for any project using existing materials/designs/suppliers/equipment/personnel you still have to do the conversion and you still have the same risk of error (or potentially more, if not all of your measurement data has strong interaction with external processes) as if you did the conversion only when required.

Long-term the change might be nice, but from a project-engineering standpoint it's not necessarily the right decision. And you do want NASA making sound engineering decisions, don't you?
 
2013-07-10 06:07:11 PM  
The real reason many advocate for metric is they are too ignorant to figure out anything else.

(haha, see that's funny because angsty people like to say their fellow Americans are too ignorant to switch to metric so I made a funny by saying.....oh, it wasn't funny?  Never mind then)
 
2013-07-10 06:10:04 PM  

TheAlmightyOS: BRB


I have a feeling it might be a while.
 
2013-07-10 06:11:40 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Would the new clock reduce the theoretical down to under 5 ft.?


No, because most of the error in GPS is related to signal transmission -- variances in the atmosphere, the position of transmitter, etc. -- not due to variances in the clock source.

If you record the raw data and do after-the-fact corrections using measured error data (like high-precision GPS units do) a higher-accuracy clock source would give you better fixes. It might also be usable as a local time source (i.e. if you carried one with you), so you don't have to derive the "real" time from high-error data. But for practical, real-time use it won't make much difference.
 
2013-07-10 06:11:53 PM  

GeneralJim: Would you feel better if, instead of 1 sec/300MY, it was rated as 1 microsecond every 300 years?  It's the same thing.


Uh...that was my point.
 
2013-07-10 06:15:21 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Hollie Maea: GeneralJim: You're not getting this, are you?

There are like 5 or 6 of them in this thread making the same braindead argument.

You strike me as the type of person who might be able ball park the increase in accuracy this would mean to GPS. Any speculation? Would it just be a 3 fold increase in accuracy or would that be multiplied by the number of satellites?

Current GPS is theoretically accurate to about 14 ft. if I did my math right. Most receivers are accurate down to about 100 ft. (again my math). Would the new clock reduce the theoretical down to under 5 ft.? That would be awesome as long as we could get receivers to notice the difference.


They lose me when they start talking about how they correct for disturbances in the ionosphere.  I've read that they would be able to increase GPS accuracy, but I don't know by how much.  There are other applications that would also benefit from more precise clocks. No one gives a shiat how many hundreds of millions of years go by before you are off by something as long as a second, but for whatever reason that's the only way that journalists seem to be able to frame it.  I guess they think that people can relate to 100 million years but not to a nanosecond.
 
2013-07-10 06:15:44 PM  

Mikeyworld: you'll not find anything to put that 5/8" socket on


Except anything built before the change. And anything built after the change but designed to be compatible with existing equipment -- the label might read 15.875 mm but it still be 5/8", not the 16mm you'd expect.

Eventually the conversion would happen, and in terms of teaching people it will only take 20-40 years, but many parts of the physical world are older than that and converting to a new measurement system will not make those things go away.
 
2013-07-10 06:15:51 PM  

profplump: SewerSquirrels: When I heard NASA was sticking with imperial units on the SLS I lost a good chunk of faith in that organization

Because converting and re-labeling all their existing parts, specs, and other measurement-related data wouldn't be subject to the same sort of error that you're worried about? There's a huge risk in changing measurement systems -- all those 1/4" bolts don't suddenly become 6mm just because you decided to use SI this week -- and all you get from changing systems is pre-loading all that conversion risk to the current stage of the project. Eventually there are benefits with respect to coordination with external processes, but for any project using existing materials/designs/suppliers/equipment/personnel you still have to do the conversion and you still have the same risk of error (or potentially more, if not all of your measurement data has strong interaction with external processes) as if you did the conversion only when required.

Long-term the change might be nice, but from a project-engineering standpoint it's not necessarily the right decision. And you do want NASA making sound engineering decisions, don't you?


Its actually much simpler and more political than that:  By enforcing imperial units, NASA and American aerospace contractors etc are ensuring the contracts are more likely to go to American companies.  International and foreign companies all tend to use metric for obvious reasons... and while they could be contracted to supply a part to spec, it adds a layer of overhead and risk that everybody wants to avoid.

This is also why the automotive industry has actually taken a lot of steps to convert to metric on their assembly lines... makes international trade much easier.
 
2013-07-10 06:18:24 PM  

profplump: SewerSquirrels: When I heard NASA was sticking with imperial units on the SLS I lost a good chunk of faith in that organization

Because converting and re-labeling all their existing parts, specs, and other measurement-related data wouldn't be subject to the same sort of error that you're worried about? There's a huge risk in changing measurement systems -- all those 1/4" bolts don't suddenly become 6mm just because you decided to use SI this week -- and all you get from changing systems is pre-loading all that conversion risk to the current stage of the project. Eventually there are benefits with respect to coordination with external processes, but for any project using existing materials/designs/suppliers/equipment/personnel you still have to do the conversion and you still have the same risk of error (or potentially more, if not all of your measurement data has strong interaction with external processes) as if you did the conversion only when required.

Long-term the change might be nice, but from a project-engineering standpoint it's not necessarily the right decision. And you do want NASA making sound engineering decisions, don't you?


Yeah, I said I knew why they were doing it. I still find it frustrating though because NASA would be a good place to spear head a conversion to SI units. Really, though, they should have made the change when they were designing the shuttle. Now I'm going to have to build a time machine so I can tell them that NASA will be forever screwed if they don't make the change (pre-shuttle).
 
2013-07-10 06:52:50 PM  

Gonz: I believe in coyotes, and time as an abstract.


Explain the change, the difference between.
 
2013-07-10 07:09:55 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa:  Our current systems, called caesium fountains, expose clouds of caesium atoms to microwaves to get them to oscillate. But the the new ones use light to excite strontium atoms

 it has been a minute since my last science class, but isn't a microwave light too you tards ?


Depends on the microwave; the countertop ones are light, but those over-the-stove ones with the exhaust fan are like two-man lift.

// I slay me!
 
2013-07-10 09:53:20 PM  

uber humper: Everyhing scientific is metric.


Not even close to being true.  I just got a new rack, and like all others it's for 19" wide equipment.  This one came with #10 screws and tapped holes.  OK, racks are general.  I tried going SI with optical mounting stuff and it was a huge headache, too many people in the US and UK ship stuff meant for 1" spacing and 1/4-20 bolts.   I have to design stuff about half in decimal inches and half in millimeters.  Sucks but that's the world we live in.

Anyway, point is I am a scientist and I've never been free of imperial units for my work.  I've even argued with physicists who PREFER things like feet and inches.  No joke.  The only point I agreed with them was that 'feet' and 'inch' and 'mile' are nice short one-syllable words.  "centimeter" and "meter" and "kilometer" are kinda chunky by comparison.
 
2013-07-10 10:27:42 PM  

meanmutton:

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]

Why would anyone assume that Fahrenheit is based on the temperature at which water freezes or boils?  That is as silly as suggesting that Celsius is based on the temperature of a brine solution and the temperature of the human body.

Just for reference:

The Fahrenheit scale was originally defined as zero being the the temperature of a 1:1:1 mix of water, ice, and ammonium chloride, 32 being a water and ice mixture, and 96 as human body temperature.   Later, the definition was changed to that of 32 degrees being the freezing point of pure water, and 212 degrees being the boiling point of water, for better consistency, and ease of calibration.

Celsius, or centigrade, was originally defined by setting zero to the freezing point of pure water, and one hundred to the boiling point of pure water.  Now, Celsius is defined by setting the temperature of absolute zero to −273.15 °C and the triple-point of water (VMSOW) at 0.01 °C.

 
2013-07-10 10:33:50 PM  

Hollie Maea:

GeneralJim: You're not getting this, are you?

There are like 5 or 6 of them in this thread making the same braindead argument.
Welcome to Fark?
 
2013-07-10 10:44:12 PM  

Hollie Maea:

GeneralJim: Also, global warming alarmists will count that change as proof of disastrous warming, and send trillions of dollars to India and China.

Doesn't that strawman belong in the "Global warming in 1913 LOL" thread?  Or did they scare you away by turning it into a boobies thread?

Boobies don't frighten me...   EIP

topcultured.com
Neener, neener.
 
2013-07-10 10:50:02 PM  

SewerSquirrels:

Current GPS is theoretically accurate to about 14 ft. if I did my math right. Most receivers are accurate down to about 100 ft. (again my math). Would the new clock reduce the theoretical down to under 5 ft.?
It's not linear.  There are orbital inaccuracies, too, and those would NOT be helped by better accuracy in the time standard.  My guess would be it would increase the accuracy potential from 14 ft to perhaps 9 ft.   Just a spitball number, though.
 
2013-07-10 10:59:24 PM  

Bacontastesgood:

Not even close to being true. I just got a new rack, and like all others it's for 19" wide equipment.

images.sodahead.com
What a new rack might look like

Congratulations on your new rack.   Good luck on finding someone with 19" equipment...

 
2013-07-10 11:12:07 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Does anybody really know what time it is?


Does anybody really care?
 
2013-07-11 02:03:17 AM  

Teaser: [i41.tinypic.com image 700x662]


Rest of the world looks too stupid to understand how do divide by anything other than 10.
 
2013-07-11 02:31:56 AM  

Korzine: Every speed limit sign, mile marker, interstate exit sign would have to be replaced


[imOKwiththis.jpg]

They're supposed to be working on resigning I-19 and converting it into non-metric. They replaced all the non-distance signage last year, plus a few signs that were already in non-metric at the north end. Most other distance-indicating signage hasn't been replaced yet, although there are several between Tucson and Green Valley that were replaced recently enough that they're in ClearView (and reflect headlights). That said, the exit numbers haven't changed (yet), even though their numbers were based off km posts.

/ I'd like to think that they're stalling for time
// I don't, but I'd like to
 
2013-07-11 05:33:40 AM  
The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years -


There is no way they could possibly  know this.  I get that they are extrapolating, but there is no way they can predict what would happen with the physics of the clock into the future..

here, my new "calculator watch" only loses 1 second every 800 million years.  prove me wrong.  you cant?  then I want an article saying how awesome this thing is so I can sell my make believe technology.

/"science" is dead, make believe is all that remains.
 
2013-07-11 07:12:31 AM  

I sound fat:

The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years -


There is no way they could possibly  know this.  I get that they are extrapolating, but there is no way they can predict what would happen with the physics of the clock into the future..

here, my new "calculator watch" only loses 1 second every 800 million years.  prove me wrong.  you cant?  then I want an article saying how awesome this thing is so I can sell my make believe technology.

/"science" is dead, make believe is all that remains.

Not true.  Stability can be measured.  With great stability, the drift over long periods of time can be calculated by extrapolating from the drift for much shorter times.  Unless you expect the laws of physics to change in the areas involved, you CAN know how much will be lost/gained over time.  And, yes, the laws of physics HAVE changed over time, but generally just a tad, and over multiple billions of years.
 
2013-07-11 09:03:46 AM  

I sound fat: The devices, called optical lattice clocks, lost just one second every 300 million years -


There is no way they could possibly  know this.  I get that they are extrapolating, but there is no way they can predict what would happen with the physics of the clock into the future..

here, my new "calculator watch" only loses 1 second every 800 million years.  prove me wrong.  you cant?  then I want an article saying how awesome this thing is so I can sell my make believe technology.

/"science" is dead, make believe is all that remains.


With respect to Hollie Maea's point; Nobody gives a crap if their watch is off by even a minute over the course of a year, but if you want to know for certain if a neutrino is breaking the speed limit as it passes through the Earth, then you're going to need a pretty accurate clock. This clock may not be relevant to you, but it is relevant.


And also, what GeneralJim said.


"Science" is only "dead" to the people who have been deprived of an education effective enough to allow them to understand it. So basically I'm calling you stupid, but at least I imply it's not entirely your fault.
 
2013-07-11 10:54:30 AM  

Mikey1969: I would have no problem with metric time. It would make more sense than this 60/60/24 thing. Of course, current timekeeping makes far more sense than 8 oz in a cup, 2 cups in a quart, 4 quarts in a gallon... 12 inches in a foot, 5,280 feet in a mile, what the FARK is up with that? I think even metric sex would help, a base-10 number of thrusts before you're done... ;-P


Acutally our whole numeric foundation is flawed.  We should start with a base 8 number system(Octal).
 
2013-07-11 07:22:42 PM  

pdee:

Acutally our whole numeric foundation is flawed.  We should start with a base 8 number system(Octal).
WTF does that even mean?   Any radix notation works the same, irrespective of the radix involved.  The number ten happens to have quite a few natural connections, and is a very reasonable choice.   Outside of not needing the "8" and "9" characters, what do you see as advantages of octal, or disadvantages of decimal?
 
2013-07-11 07:52:49 PM  

GeneralJim: pdee: Acutally our whole numeric foundation is flawed.  We should start with a base 8 number system(Octal).WTF does that even mean?   Any radix notation works the same, irrespective of the radix involved.  The number ten happens to have quite a few natural connections, and is a very reasonable choice.   Outside of not needing the "8" and "9" characters, what do you see as advantages of octal, or disadvantages of decimal?


And why would octal be better than base-12, which is superior to decimal?
 
2013-07-11 08:33:36 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy:

And why would octal be better than base-12, which is superior to decimal?


i44.tinypic.com
That's radixist!
 
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