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(IGN)   The console wars are over: Xbox One has officially sold out at Best Buy   (ign.com) divider line 127
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2013-07-10 02:24:41 PM  

Antimatter: whizbangthedirtfarmer: What MS and Sony seem to overlook is that there are a large number of people out there who can play games, or not, and it's not a big deal. They also overlook the Glorious PC Gaming people as well.

So what exactly do you want them to do?  They know damn well there are folks who don't yet have the console, or have other thigns to play.  Tjhat's why they spend millions on marketing: to get those people to want to buy their system.


I wasn't getting this day one anyway, but Microsoft's done a bang up job of convincing me to look elsewhere when I do upgrade. Privacy issues aside, the Kinect is utterly useless to me, and the fact that you need that POS just to even operate the XBox One is some major-league bullshiat. I love my 360 and I love Forza, but as long as the Kinect is mandatory, the system and Microsoft can go kick rocks.
 
2013-07-10 02:25:09 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: JohnBigBootay: red5ish: Personally I'm going to see what people have to say about their next generation consoles AFTER they get them home and play them for a couple of months.

That's normally what I do but for some reason I pre-ordered. I bought on a whim.  I have no blu-ray and want one and my htpc died so I figured what the hell, it's summer and I'll hardly use the TV until October anyway. If it sucks, it sucks. God knows I've blown $500 on stupider shiat than this. Frankly I'm not too worried about it.

You know ... you can buy a pretty good Blu-ray player for less than a hundred bucks.  Why wait until October and pay a few hundred dollars extra for something you may or may not want????


I do have to agree with this, though.  While I've already pre-ordered an Xbox One and a PS4, if you just want a bad ass blu-ray player, you can get some incredible ones for way, way cheaper than you're going to pay for the XBox, including some that would rival a good HTPC, pre-built.

That said, I work with software and computers all day, so I completely understand not wanting to put one together at home or to have to futz around with getting a low dollar unit to do what I want.  I would literally rather do laundry at this point.
 
2013-07-10 02:26:30 PM  

Clutch2013: Antimatter: whizbangthedirtfarmer: What MS and Sony seem to overlook is that there are a large number of people out there who can play games, or not, and it's not a big deal. They also overlook the Glorious PC Gaming people as well.

So what exactly do you want them to do?  They know damn well there are folks who don't yet have the console, or have other thigns to play.  Tjhat's why they spend millions on marketing: to get those people to want to buy their system.

I wasn't getting this day one anyway, but Microsoft's done a bang up job of convincing me to look elsewhere when I do upgrade. Privacy issues aside, the Kinect is utterly useless to me, and the fact that you need that POS just to even operate the XBox One is some major-league bullshiat. I love my 360 and I love Forza, but as long as the Kinect is mandatory, the system and Microsoft can go kick rocks.


You do not need the Kinect to operate the Xbox One.  There is plenty of shiat to beat up MS over on this round of console, but you don't have to spread falsehoods.
 
2013-07-10 02:27:35 PM  

FitzShivering: I know it's hard for people online to believe, but it could also be because online nerd ragers make up about 1% of the actual gaming world.  Microsoft could quite literally screw a pooch in their presentation, and they are still going to sell a bajillion of these, because most people either don't know or don't care about the (legitimate) issues people have had and have with the Xbox One.


Ahh yes, which is why Microsoft ignored that "1% of the actual gaming world" and kept going full steam ahead with the DRM and 24-hour pinging.

Ohhh wait....
 
2013-07-10 02:30:11 PM  

FitzShivering: You do not need the Kinect to operate the Xbox One. There is plenty of shiat to beat up MS over on this round of console, but you don't have to spread falsehoods.


Yes you do. You don't need to USE the Kinect to operate the Xbox One, but you do have to have the Kinect plugged into the console. They have said multiple times that the Xbox One will not operate without a Kinect plugged into it.

You don't have to spread falsehood either.
 
2013-07-10 02:37:32 PM  

frepnog: ThatDarkFellow: twatbasket

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now that's a name i've not heard in a long time.


Taking a slang term for genitalia and throwing an inanimate object behind it always makes the best word combos
 
2013-07-10 02:37:54 PM  

Khellendros: nocturnal001: No, no they won't. People buy the hot new game, they are less likely to buy the old game as there is something new and shiny out. If you do not understand that then you have never played video games or dealt with any media really. You also forget that the system is intended as a media hub. If an early adopter has to wait a month that is an extra month of video rentals, dlc, xbl games that he is not purchasing through the system.

You seem to completely neglect the concept of launch titles and second gen titles, and how the first few months of every console has worked for the last 15 years.  You also clearly don't have a grasp on the gaming market, or how early adopters work in the electronics market.  A 14 or 21 day lag for a percentage of day 1 buyers means nothing.  It won't affect a dime.  It will affect different retailers as they fight to get more units in to satisfy the 100 phone calls a day, but it won't affect Sony or MS profits, so long as their supply chain doesn't lag more than a few weeks, and it flattens out after 30 days or so (you know, like every console does).

You think they're leaving money on the table - you're wrong.  If they were, their supply chain would overtax to make sure they made the most money.  That's why they don't have every console built on day 1.  They know the models better than anyone else.  If they saw a drop of money by not satisfying 20% of day 1 buyers on day 1, they'd have more built for day 1 and rake in the cash.  But they've realized that the early adopters are locked.  They've been locked for the last 10 consoles.  They know long before launch which system they're going to buy.


So people who buy the console 6 months later always go back and buy the launch titles? Come on man, you can't be serious.

It's nice to know that we are now talking about a demand lag of 2 weeks, considering the rest of the thread was crowing about how these things will be off the shelves for months due to their huge success and the amazing demand.  2 weeks lag isn't much of an impact, months would be a major impact. I believe we have been arguing about different things.
 
2013-07-10 02:38:05 PM  

JohnBigBootay: whizbangthedirtfarmer: You know ... you can buy a pretty good Blu-ray player for less than a hundred bucks. Why wait until October and pay a few hundred dollars extra for something you may or may not want????

I don't know really, like I said, impulse buy. I actually really dug the tv part of the presentation and like I said, my htpc just died so I think I'll enjoy the netflix, hulu, amzn, hbo video shiat. I know half you guys could all build a better unit for less but I'm sort of done building computers at home. If I actually play a game myself it will be a bonus though I'm sure the frequently visiting children will enjoy it. Either that or set my house on fire for buying the wrong thing.


Man I really hope you like the XBone TV stuff, cause otherwise this makes no sense at all. You could get a PS4 for $100 less, still get the Blu-Ray player, but most importantly you would get Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon for FREE instead of paying for XBox Live every month. Granted, HBO Go isn't on PSN (blame HBO for that, lame as hell) so if that's a big deal for you then maybe not. That said, you can probably still get a cheaper Blu-Ray with most or all of those features, too. Whatever, to each his own.
 
2013-07-10 02:51:15 PM  
quiotu:Both PS4 and XB1 will sell, but it's all but guaranteed that everyone will keep their old system... because nothing's backwards compatible.  People will be playing their PS3s and 360s long after the new consoles come out.  Sony embraces the idea of having multiple generations of consoles selling next to each other, but Microsoft might have a problem with that.  They couldn't drop support for the Xbox fast enough when the 360 came out, because it's the same marketing strategy they do with their OS software.  If they pull that again with the 360, that could cost them huge.

Agreed about Sony. They still supported the PS2 until quite recently.

And I'd still give them the edge overall. Price is the biggest factor (I expect the XB1 to drop by $100 within a year of launch, expensive camera be damned), but there's also the 3rd party thing.

The Wii sold great, but a lot of 3rd party developers didn't know how to integrate motion controls into their games, so they didn't bother, beyond a few token offerings. The Wii-U tablet controller has the same problem; plenty of companies just don't know what to do with the thing, so there aren't many games out. But Nintendo's 1st party offerings usually made up for it on the Wii, and might on the Wii-U if they ever come out.

Microsoft has the same problem, but not the same advantage. Developers didn't exactly flock to the Kinect for the 360, and probably won't do so for the XB1 either. And unlike Nintendo, Microsoft doesn't have a huge array of beloved first-party properties to make up for a lack of third-party ones.

Sure, they have some great looking stuff coming out, even some impressive exclusives, but as time goes by I can't see why any company looking to develop a triple A game won't either release on both the XB1 and PS4, or just the PS4; they have the most familiar setup, you just sit on a couch holding a controller. Adding motion and voice controls would be a lot harder than taking them out. Throw in better indie support, and I can see Sony ending up with a much better library in the end.
 
2013-07-10 03:08:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: FitzShivering: You do not need the Kinect to operate the Xbox One. There is plenty of shiat to beat up MS over on this round of console, but you don't have to spread falsehoods.

Yes you do. You don't need to USE the Kinect to operate the Xbox One, but you do have to have the Kinect plugged into the console. They have said multiple times that the Xbox One will not operate without a Kinect plugged into it.

You don't have to spread falsehood either.


You also have to have a power cord plugged in.  It is _part_ of the system.  It doesn't mean you have to use it to operate it, which you damn well know is what he said, and what I was responding to.
 
2013-07-10 03:14:01 PM  

FitzShivering: scottydoesntknow: FitzShivering: You do not need the Kinect to operate the Xbox One. There is plenty of shiat to beat up MS over on this round of console, but you don't have to spread falsehoods.

Yes you do. You don't need to USE the Kinect to operate the Xbox One, but you do have to have the Kinect plugged into the console. They have said multiple times that the Xbox One will not operate without a Kinect plugged into it.

You don't have to spread falsehood either.

You also have to have a power cord plugged in.  It is _part_ of the system.  It doesn't mean you have to use it to operate it, which you damn well know is what he said, and what I was responding to.


...I'm done. That's probably the stupidest thing I'll read all week.
 
2013-07-10 03:27:49 PM  

Clutch2013: FitzShivering: scottydoesntknow: FitzShivering: You do not need the Kinect to operate the Xbox One. There is plenty of shiat to beat up MS over on this round of console, but you don't have to spread falsehoods.

Yes you do. You don't need to USE the Kinect to operate the Xbox One, but you do have to have the Kinect plugged into the console. They have said multiple times that the Xbox One will not operate without a Kinect plugged into it.

You don't have to spread falsehood either.

You also have to have a power cord plugged in.  It is _part_ of the system.  It doesn't mean you have to use it to operate it, which you damn well know is what he said, and what I was responding to.

...I'm done. That's probably the stupidest thing I'll read all week.


Phew, glad I wasn't the only one.
 
2013-07-10 03:27:55 PM  

FitzShivering: whizbangthedirtfarmer: JohnBigBootay: red5ish: Personally I'm going to see what people have to say about their next generation consoles AFTER they get them home and play them for a couple of months.

That's normally what I do but for some reason I pre-ordered. I bought on a whim.  I have no blu-ray and want one and my htpc died so I figured what the hell, it's summer and I'll hardly use the TV until October anyway. If it sucks, it sucks. God knows I've blown $500 on stupider shiat than this. Frankly I'm not too worried about it.

You know ... you can buy a pretty good Blu-ray player for less than a hundred bucks.  Why wait until October and pay a few hundred dollars extra for something you may or may not want????

I do have to agree with this, though.  While I've already pre-ordered an Xbox One and a PS4, if you just want a bad ass blu-ray player, you can get some incredible ones for way, way cheaper than you're going to pay for the XBox, including some that would rival a good HTPC, pre-built.



Eh.  I've been putting together PCs for a long time (well, relatively: I remember having to flip IRQ switches on new cards), and I have to say that today's PC stuff is WAY easier and FAR less time consuming or expensive than it used to be.  I put together a HTPC for about seven hundred bucks, complete with tuner, bluray, and extra hard drives to store the TV shows I rarely watch.  It worked on the first try, and has given me no problems since.  Hell, my work computer's power supply stopped working a few days ago.  I swapped a new one in and had the thing running in about fifteen minutes.
 
2013-07-10 03:33:56 PM  
When there's only one, of course it sells out quickly.
 
2013-07-10 03:52:41 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: and I have to say that today's PC stuff is WAY easier and FAR less time consuming or expensive than it used to be.


putting a new pc together is easier than building a model from Duplo blocks and installing windows takes 20 minutes.

people act like building a pc is sooo hard.
 
2013-07-10 03:55:21 PM  

theresnothinglft: For a business this is stupid


Says the guy who can't figure this scenario out.
 
2013-07-10 04:51:08 PM  

frepnog: whizbangthedirtfarmer: and I have to say that today's PC stuff is WAY easier and FAR less time consuming or expensive than it used to be.

putting a new pc together is easier than building a model from Duplo blocks and installing windows takes 20 minutes.

people act like building a pc is sooo hard.


Hey, let's not exaggerate here, its not easier than building a Duplo model.. its exactly as hard as building a Duplo model.
 
2013-07-10 04:54:49 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Ahh yes, which is why Microsoft ignored that "1% of the actual gaming world" and kept going full steam ahead with the DRM and 24-hour pinging.


So they decided to be risk averse. That doesn't mean the prior poster was wrong. I tend to believe him. The online gaming communities tend to be echo chamber circle-jerks and don't reflect more than a small percentage of consumers. I spend plenty on video games, and I don't think that I've once had a situation in which the DRM, sharing or 24-hour check-in would have affected me in the least; consequently, even though I might biatch about it in principle, I just don't care all that much in practice.
 
2013-07-10 05:23:30 PM  

FitzShivering: scottydoesntknow: FitzShivering: You do not need the Kinect to operate the Xbox One. There is plenty of shiat to beat up MS over on this round of console, but you don't have to spread falsehoods.

Yes you do. You don't need to USE the Kinect to operate the Xbox One, but you do have to have the Kinect plugged into the console. They have said multiple times that the Xbox One will not operate without a Kinect plugged into it.

You don't have to spread falsehood either.

You also have to have a power cord plugged in.  It is _part_ of the system.  It doesn't mean you have to use it to operate it, which you damn well know is what he said, and what I was responding to.


#dealwithit

/that worked out reeeeaaaal well.
 
2013-07-10 05:34:36 PM  

JohnBigBootay: whizbangthedirtfarmer: You know ... you can buy a pretty good Blu-ray player for less than a hundred bucks. Why wait until October and pay a few hundred dollars extra for something you may or may not want????

I don't know really, like I said, impulse buy. I actually really dug the tv part of the presentation and like I said, my htpc just died so I think I'll enjoy the netflix, hulu, amzn, hbo video shiat. I know half you guys could all build a better unit for less but I'm sort of done building computers at home. If I actually play a game myself it will be a bonus though I'm sure the frequently visiting children will enjoy it. Either that or set my house on fire for buying the wrong thing.


You are aware that the XB180 charges a monthly fee to access the Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and HBO stuff you're already paying for?  So, you pay the fee for your sub, then you pay a sub to access your sub.  I know you're a rich internet millionaire or whatnot, but you won't stay that way if you keep throwing money out the window for the privilege to throw money out the window monthly.
 
2013-07-10 05:39:30 PM  

kronicfeld: scottydoesntknow: Ahh yes, which is why Microsoft ignored that "1% of the actual gaming world" and kept going full steam ahead with the DRM and 24-hour pinging.

So they decided to be risk averse. That doesn't mean the prior poster was wrong. I tend to believe him. The online gaming communities tend to be echo chamber circle-jerks and don't reflect more than a small percentage of consumers. I spend plenty on video games, and I don't think that I've once had a situation in which the DRM, sharing or 24-hour check-in would have affected me in the least; consequently, even though I might biatch about it in principle, I just don't care all that much in practice.


So you're trying to tell me that a "small percentage" of gamers forced one of the largest companies on the planet to do a complete reversal on policies they were fighting tooth-n-nail to keep in?

C'mon man. The backlash against them was HUGE. It was way more than "1%" of gamers and trying to pretend it was an online-gaming community circle jerk is disingenuous at best. Microsoft was poised to lose the American market (PS4 was outpacing XB1 3:2 in pre-orders prior to the reversal), which is pretty much the only market they succeed in.

It really wouldn't have affected me or my friends negatively either. I've got a stable internet, I buy all my games new, etc. But it's the principle of the thing. None of us were going to buy the XB1.
 
2013-07-10 05:49:10 PM  
In the end I'm just gonna sit back and watch as hilarity ensues on launch day, and then again on Black Friday as some people will get into a physical fight or result tactics such as discharging Pepper Spray
to get thier hands on these systems. Someone will likely even end up getting killed as a result a mad rush to get one...and of course there are the people on Ebay who are going to make some big money when the OMG I got to have it now crowd can't go anywhere else to get one...
 
2013-07-10 07:17:44 PM  

kronicfeld: scottydoesntknow: Ahh yes, which is why Microsoft ignored that "1% of the actual gaming world" and kept going full steam ahead with the DRM and 24-hour pinging.

So they decided to be risk averse. That doesn't mean the prior poster was wrong. I tend to believe him. The online gaming communities tend to be echo chamber circle-jerks and don't reflect more than a small percentage of consumers. I spend plenty on video games, and I don't think that I've once had a situation in which the DRM, sharing or 24-hour check-in would have affected me in the least; consequently, even though I might biatch about it in principle, I just don't care all that much in practice.




We also don't know what was happening internally in the xbox camp.
Two of the biggest proponents for the online model left the company. No one really explained the pluses of the system and it never got put out there for customers to decide.
I still believe the system was built to attract the publishers. It may have been cancelled because of the vendors weighing in on Microsoft monopolizing the distribution system.

We just don't know at this point. But I doubt it was constantly online and upgrade Hungary fanboys who made Microsoft think about its offline losses.
 
2013-07-10 08:11:58 PM  

Antimatter: AdamK: Majick Thise: How the hell do you sell out of preorders?

limited supply

Wii U sold out at launch as well

as did the Vita

Right.  the key is to continue the sales post release, which both the vita and wii U failed to do.  Pre-order numbers really don't mean anything in this day and age.  I'd say the game attach rate will be the bigger signal.


sure, eventually

took ps3 2 years to get "must-have" software, took 3ds a year to have any software worth playing, i also remember the ps2 having an awful first year but it didn't matter because of backwards compatibility and dreamcast wasn't a threat

hard to predict whether a console will knock it out of the park immediately

/the Ouya sold out really fast too
 
2013-07-10 11:14:16 PM  

nocturnal001: So people who buy the console 6 months later always go back and buy the launch titles? Come on man, you can't be serious.

It's nice to know that we are now talking about a demand lag of 2 weeks, considering the rest of the thread was crowing about how these things will be off the shelves for months due to their huge success and the amazing demand. 2 weeks lag isn't much of an impact, months would be a major impact. I believe we have been arguing about different things.


Why do you insist on continually putting words in my mouth?  Are you completely incapable of reading?  I've been saying phrases like "a few weeks", and 14 or 21 days in EVERY POST.  I've been talking about day 1 buyers being delayed a few days or a couple of weeks in reference to your idea that not having enough at launch will somehow cost Sony or MS money.  They won't lose any money, none of them have.

You're talking bullshiat about them not having consoles 6 months after launch?  WTF are you smoking?  Of course they'd lose money if they didn't have consoles 6 months after launch, I outright said it in an earlier post:

Khellendros: Now, if you're still out a few months later, you have a problem. Casual users or tech laggards may let apathy prevent them from purchasing something later, but we're talking about leading edge, day one buyers. Very specific and very predictable market group, and they'll come back a week later if they have to.


What company had a major console with supply problems six months after launch?
 
2013-07-11 04:57:46 PM  

Khellendros: nocturnal001: So people who buy the console 6 months later always go back and buy the launch titles? Come on man, you can't be serious.

It's nice to know that we are now talking about a demand lag of 2 weeks, considering the rest of the thread was crowing about how these things will be off the shelves for months due to their huge success and the amazing demand. 2 weeks lag isn't much of an impact, months would be a major impact. I believe we have been arguing about different things.

Why do you insist on continually putting words in my mouth?  Are you completely incapable of reading?  I've been saying phrases like "a few weeks", and 14 or 21 days in EVERY POST.  I've been talking about day 1 buyers being delayed a few days or a couple of weeks in reference to your idea that not having enough at launch will somehow cost Sony or MS money.  They won't lose any money, none of them have.

You're talking bullshiat about them not having consoles 6 months after launch?  WTF are you smoking?  Of course they'd lose money if they didn't have consoles 6 months after launch, I outright said it in an earlier post:

Khellendros: Now, if you're still out a few months later, you have a problem. Casual users or tech laggards may let apathy prevent them from purchasing something later, but we're talking about leading edge, day one buyers. Very specific and very predictable market group, and they'll come back a week later if they have to.

What company had a major console with supply problems six months after launch?


I didn't put words into your mouth. I was making some statements in the thread, was responded to, and you jumped in as well.

Why even argue about whether or not they will sell out if we are only talking about a single week where they are sold out?
 
2013-07-11 07:40:13 PM  

nocturnal001: Why even argue about whether or not they will sell out if we are only talking about a single week where they are sold out?


First off - again you're misstating my position.  I said 14 or 21 days at most.  But assuming that, we're arguing because you made a moronic statement like this:

nocturnal001: In related news, both MS and Sony failed to meet the initial demand for their consoles, leaving money on the table.


... and then spent half a dozen posts attempting to defend the idea that companies that don't have enough consoles for day 1 launch are "leaving money on the table".  I then said that it's not a big deal if they don't have enough on day 1, because day 1 buyers will return and pay just as much money in the following couple of weeks as new shipments came in.  No one would lose money, and the supply chains wouldn't be as stressed as if they attempted to have everything on launch day.

Then we ended up here, where you've spend 3 posts backpedaling because you seem to have finally realized how moronic your original statement was.
 
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