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(Huffington Post)   Author of Texas' new anti-abortion bill says it was needed to protect unborn life, the very same unborn life that she argued couldn't get child medical benefits in 2007   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-07-10 09:48:06 AM  
You mean "anti-abortion" isn't really "pro-life"? I'm shocked.
 
2013-07-10 09:50:28 AM  
They don't care about babies. They care about the IDEA of babies.
 
2013-07-10 09:51:01 AM  
Low information voters are the mother's milk of the modern GOP.  That is, you have to be pretty farking stupid or earn a household income above 200K/year to vote for them.
 
2013-07-10 10:03:17 AM  
Do they not teach logic in schools? I don't mean fancy "science says the universe is 14 billion years old and change, and our galaxy/solar system/planet is nothing special in it, therefore god is fake", I mean "if you are Christian and all Christians go to church on Sunday morning, where do I find you on Sunday morning?" logic.

This is a simple syllogism: "babies in utero must be protected from harm, therefore I will both prevent abortions and...deny them healthcare for 3 months?"

Even if she's running some long con, no one's that stupid. ESPECIALLY if she's a con artist - you don't leave a hole in your "character" big enough to drive a double-wide through.
 
2013-07-10 10:07:01 AM  
They aren't pro-babies, they're anti-sex.
 
2013-07-10 10:08:15 AM  
The pro-birth movement strikes again.
 
2013-07-10 10:11:18 AM  
They just want to use babies as a food source, the monsters.
 
2013-07-10 10:13:24 AM  
You cannot be PRO-LIFE if you only care about something for the first 9 months and NOT the next 18 years.
 
2013-07-10 10:13:53 AM  
They don't care about babies, no.

I'm reading a book about Lyndon Johnson.  In his first Congressional campaign in 1937, he wasn't very well known.  So wherever he went, in all his literature, he said "I'm the candidate for Roosevelt."  He promised to sign off on anything that Roosevelt would do, even though in private he didn't like a lot of his programs.  Roosevelt was very popular in the Hill Country, so attaching himself to Roosevelt did a lot for his campaign, and he won.

"Pro-life" is the same thing for most of these people.  People believe that pols are inherently against them and will lie to them so they don't like any of them.  But if they promise to protect "babies", well, that's the candidate for them.  They don't need to hear anymore.  So protect babies at the front door, shovel benefits to the wealthy and corporations out the back door.
 
2013-07-10 10:14:13 AM  
Conservative hypocrisy? The devil, you say.
 
2013-07-10 10:14:21 AM  
Relevant (video)
 
2013-07-10 10:16:59 AM  
"The reality is that so-called pro-life movement is not about saving babies. It's about regulating sex. That's why they oppose birth control. That's why they want to ban abortion even though doing so will simply drive women to have dangerous back alley abortions. That's why they want to penalize women who take public assistance and then dare to have sex, leaving an exemption for those who become pregnant from rape. It's not about babies. If it were about babies, they would be making access to birth control widespread and free and creating a comprehensive social safety net so that no woman finds herself with a pregnancy she can't afford. They would be raising money for research on why half of all zygotes fail to implant and working to prevent miscarriages. It's not about babies. It's about controlling women. It's about making sure they have consequences for having unapproved sex."-
Libby Anne - How I Lost Faith in the "Pro-Life" Movement
 
2013-07-10 10:17:03 AM  

CarnySaur: They just want to use babies as a food source, the monsters.


Gotta feed the Military Industrial Complex somehow.
 
2013-07-10 10:21:20 AM  
They don't care about babies.
They don't care about fetuses.
They don't care about children.
They don't care about 'health care'.
They don't even really care about abortion.

They only care about punishing people for the sin of having sex.  It's the same reason they get so hung up on homosexuality.
They're just busybodies who want to get up in every else's business.  If they weren't elected they'd be the neighborhood gossip who talks about how the widow Clayton down the street had a strange man's car parked in her driveway overnight.
 
2013-07-10 10:23:17 AM  
Modern-day Republicans don't understand hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance. It's a requirement for membership.
 
2013-07-10 10:27:00 AM  

James!: They aren't pro-babies, they're anti-sex.

 
2013-07-10 10:27:38 AM  
FTFA:
"I will be back," Laubenberg said as she prepared to leave the podium. "But right now, out of consideration for the body  an embarrassingly obvious display of idiocy and self-created humiliation, I will pull this amendment down."

FTFY Laubenberg.
 
2013-07-10 10:31:27 AM  

StubePT: You cannot be PRO-LIFE if you only care about something for the first 9 months and NOT the next 18 80 years.


FIFM, but I'm just being pedantic

/end-of-life concerns matter too
 
2013-07-10 10:31:44 AM  
Isn't this the same woman who said rape kits were used to "clean out" a woman to prevent babbys from being fromed?
 
2013-07-10 10:32:50 AM  
I mean, is anyone even surprised by this?  I just expect this stuff nowadays.  Virulently anti-gay?  Probably gay themselves.  Virulently pro-life? Probably hates social programs.  Virulently small-government? 'Cept for the military.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-10 10:33:03 AM  

Karac: They don't care about babies.
They don't care about fetuses.
They don't care about children.
They don't care about 'health care'.
They don't even really care about abortion.

They only care about punishing people for the sin of having sex.  It's the same reason they get so hung up on homosexuality.
They're just busybodies who want to get up in every else's business.  If they weren't elected they'd be the neighborhood gossip who talks about how the widow Clayton down the street had a strange man's car parked in her driveway overnight.


Aaaaand we're done here.
 
2013-07-10 10:33:40 AM  
Come on 'fark independents'... defend yourselves. How can you be pro-life and then try to deny any legislation that could help a baby grow up healthy, and successful... and then quickly be pro-execution after said baby becomes a criminal?

If you care about the life of a fetus, then why stop caring about it after the fetus becomes a baby?
 
2013-07-10 10:35:18 AM  

Bloody William: They don't care about babies. They care about the IDEA of babies.


Kind of like a fart. The IDEA of one is hilarious, but in practice they are gross and smell bad
 
2013-07-10 10:35:54 AM  

James!: They aren't pro-babies, they're anti-sex.


It isn't even that. They just want to punish those vapid sluts who would never sleep with THEM.
 
2013-07-10 10:36:23 AM  
I used to say that the GOP stops caring about babies as soon as they pop out of the ol' birth canal. Turns out that they really never cared in the FIRST place.

I would like to see some conservatives on here explain this dichotomy...
 
2013-07-10 10:39:09 AM  

StubePT: You cannot be PRO-LIFE if you only care about something for the first 9 months and NOT the next 18 years.


Willing to bet she's a strong proponent of the death penalty as well.

Culture of life my ass
 
2013-07-10 10:39:35 AM  

Karac: They don't care about babies.
They don't care about fetuses.
They don't care about children.
They don't care about 'health care'.
They don't even really care about abortion.

They only care about punishing people for the sin of having sex.  It's the same reason they get so hung up on homosexuality.
They're just busybodies who want to get up in every else's business.  If they weren't elected they'd be the neighborhood gossip who talks about how the widow Clayton down the street had a strange man's car parked in her driveway overnight.




Wrong. They can't control themselves so they need rules to stop themselves. See Bible.
 
2013-07-10 10:39:47 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Do they not teach logic in schools? I don't mean fancy "science says the universe is 14 billion years old and change, and our galaxy/solar system/planet is nothing special in it, therefore god is fake", I mean "if you are Christian and all Christians go to church on Sunday morning, where do I find you on Sunday morning?" logic.

This is a simple syllogism: "babies in utero must be protected from harm, therefore I will both prevent abortions and...deny them healthcare for 3 months?"

Even if she's running some long con, no one's that stupid. ESPECIALLY if she's a con artist - you don't leave a hole in your "character" big enough to drive a double-wide through.


I've been saying this a lot lately, but the thinking here involves a strong emphsis on preventing sins of comission while mostly ignoring sins of omission, especially if fixing said omission would involve a sin of comission, even a minor one. With that value structure established, if you have a group of people who believe that abortion is "killing babies" and must be stopped, but also believe that it's evil to financially incentivize women to have sex, the fact that those same "unborn babies" will be without healthcare is a minor concern. You have stopped people from committing a sin, and are not committing a sin yourself.

Think of the classic moral philosophy question "Is it wrong to lie to the Nazis at your door if you're hiding Jews in your basement?" If you imagine that you're one of those people who says "Yes, it's wrong, because telling the truth is a moral imperative" then it all makes sense.
 
2013-07-10 10:41:17 AM  

bdub77: Modern-day Republicans don't understand hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance. It's a requirement for membership.


Well, they understand it enough to repeat every criticism back like a parrot.

"SQUAWK!  Your position of supporting born babies with a safety net and not requiring every fetus to be born is hypocritical!  Poly want a chik-fil-a"
 
2013-07-10 10:42:20 AM  
They're all pro life until those babies come out all brown and stuff
 
2013-07-10 10:52:26 AM  

Girl From The North Country: They're all pro life until those babies come out all brown and stuff


FTFY

/they care even less when they're "all brown and stuff"
 
2013-07-10 10:53:34 AM  

Bloody William: They don't care about babies. They care about the IDEA of babies.


I read that as the IKEA of babies, and that place would either be awesome or terrifying.
 
2013-07-10 10:53:53 AM  

Jackson Herring: Bloody William: They don't care about babies. They care about the IDEA of babies.

Kind of like a fart. The IDEA of one is hilarious, but in practice they are gross and smell bad


This is one of the best babby analogies I've seen.  Truthful, yet funny.  Well done sir.

/loves babies
//but they have their gross/smelly moments
///followed by rampant cuteness to make up for it
 
2013-07-10 10:58:42 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Karac: They don't care about babies.
They don't care about fetuses.
They don't care about children.
They don't care about 'health care'.
They don't even really care about abortion.

They only care about punishing people for the sin of having sex.  It's the same reason they get so hung up on homosexuality.
They're just busybodies who want to get up in every else's business.  If they weren't elected they'd be the neighborhood gossip who talks about how the widow Clayton down the street had a strange man's car parked in her driveway overnight.

Wrong. They can't control themselves so they need rules to stop themselves. See Bible.


Nope.  If that's all they needed then the laws in their Bible would be enough and they wouldn't be trying to enforce their beliefs on everyone else.
 
2013-07-10 10:59:04 AM  

James!: They aren't pro-babies, they're anti-sex.


They're not anti-sex, they're against women having sex outside of marriage to a man.
 
2013-07-10 11:02:57 AM  
FFS, please bullet me asap.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-10 11:02:57 AM  

Lando Lincoln: James!: They aren't pro-babies, they're anti-sex.

They're not anti-sex, they're against women having sex outside of marriage to a man.


And even then, if it's for enjoyment, that's just wasted procreative material that ensures each will burn.
 
2013-07-10 11:04:15 AM  

Mikey1969: I used to say that the GOP stops caring about babies as soon as they pop out of the ol' birth canal. Turns out that they really never cared in the FIRST place.

I would like to see some conservatives on here explain this dichotomy...


You put your left lobe in
You take your left lobe out
You put your left lobe in
And you shake it all about

You put your right lobe in
You take your right lobe out
You put your right lobe in
And you put it on a cloud

You do the Hicky Pricky
And you twist your brain around
That's what it's all about.
 
2013-07-10 11:04:24 AM  

Jackson Herring: James!: They aren't pro-babies, they're anti-sex.

It isn't even that. They just want to punish those vapid sluts who would never sleep with THEM.


No, they want to ensure you don't impregnate "their" women.
 
2013-07-10 11:05:00 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Jackson Herring: Bloody William: They don't care about babies. They care about the IDEA of babies.

Kind of like a fart. The IDEA of one is hilarious, but in practice they are gross and smell bad

This is one of the best babby analogies I've seen.  Truthful, yet funny.  Well done sir.

/loves babies
//but they have their gross/smelly moments
///followed by rampant cuteness to make up for it


you can always count on me to make a good fart analogy
 
2013-07-10 11:05:47 AM  

Karac: StoPPeRmobile: Karac: They don't care about babies.
They don't care about fetuses.
They don't care about children.
They don't care about 'health care'.
They don't even really care about abortion.

They only care about punishing people for the sin of having sex.  It's the same reason they get so hung up on homosexuality.
They're just busybodies who want to get up in every else's business.  If they weren't elected they'd be the neighborhood gossip who talks about how the widow Clayton down the street had a strange man's car parked in her driveway overnight.

Wrong. They can't control themselves so they need rules to stop themselves. See Bible.

Nope.  If that's all they needed then the laws in their Bible would be enough and they wouldn't be trying to enforce their beliefs on everyone else.


Yes, because too many holes have been poked in the Bible.
 
2013-07-10 11:07:00 AM  
Did anyone expect anything different?
 
2013-07-10 11:07:03 AM  
Well, the new anti-abortion law bans abortion after 20 weeks, so it could be argued that before then,  Laubenberg doesn't think they're people, so the 3 month exemption doesn't seem to be as extraordinarily hypocritical as I first thought.

Also, one must recognize the hypocrisy of Anchia saying"You do know, don't you, that these are U.S. citizens?" I mean, in all honesty, if you truly believe they are U.S. citizens, then how can you be pro-choice?
 
2013-07-10 11:08:50 AM  
Can we have a reporter call her on that?  I would love to see her reaction.
 
2013-07-10 11:09:03 AM  
The unborn and those in a brain dead coma are the only people who need assistance.
 
2013-07-10 11:10:02 AM  

Bloody William: They don't care about babies. They care about the IDEA of babies punishing women for daring to have sex.

 
2013-07-10 11:11:13 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Karac: StoPPeRmobile: Karac: They don't care about babies.
They don't care about fetuses.
They don't care about children.
They don't care about 'health care'.
They don't even really care about abortion.

They only care about punishing people for the sin of having sex.  It's the same reason they get so hung up on homosexuality.
They're just busybodies who want to get up in every else's business.  If they weren't elected they'd be the neighborhood gossip who talks about how the widow Clayton down the street had a strange man's car parked in her driveway overnight.

Wrong. They can't control themselves so they need rules to stop themselves. See Bible.

Nope.  If that's all they needed then the laws in their Bible would be enough and they wouldn't be trying to enforce their beliefs on everyone else.

Yes, because too many holes have been poked in the Bible.


From what I hear about Sodom & Gommorrah, all the holes got poked, in the Bible.
 
2013-07-10 11:11:18 AM  

hugram: Come on 'fark independents'... defend yourselves. How can you be pro-life and then try to deny any legislation that could help a baby grow up healthy, and successful... and then quickly be pro-execution after said baby becomes a criminal?

If you care about the life of a fetus, then why stop caring about it after the fetus becomes a baby?


Which is why, even though I'm against abortion, I simply can't vote GOP any more.  The hypocrisy is just one thing in a long list, of course.
 
2013-07-10 11:19:41 AM  
Its pretty obvious that they don't care about innocent unborn children, they care about controlling women.
 
2013-07-10 11:21:33 AM  

Hickory-smoked: "The reality is that so-called pro-life movement is not about saving babies. It's about regulating sex. That's why they oppose birth control. That's why they want to ban abortion even though doing so will simply drive women to have dangerous back alley abortions. That's why they want to penalize women who take public assistance and then dare to have sex, leaving an exemption for those who become pregnant from rape. It's not about babies. If it were about babies, they would be making access to birth control widespread and free and creating a comprehensive social safety net so that no woman finds herself with a pregnancy she can't afford. They would be raising money for research on why half of all zygotes fail to implant and working to prevent miscarriages. It's not about babies. It's about controlling women. It's about making sure they have consequences for having unapproved sex."-
Libby Anne - How I Lost Faith in the "Pro-Life" Movement



That needs to be on a t-shirt.
 
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