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(Guardian)   Rick Perry presidency would be a referendum on abortion and the ability to count to three   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 22
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2013-07-10 12:33:39 PM  
3 votes:

Jim_Callahan: After watching the guy we don't reflexively assume is either wrong or an idiot get us involved in several wars in the middle east, spy on us, and fail to close Gitmo


Let's be clear: You are comparing the Invasion of Iraq, which killed almost 4500 US troops, injured over 32000 US troops and led thousands to suicide, depression and drug addiction, which cost several trillion dollars and had absolutely no compelling justification with the joint NATO operation in Libya which has been US casualty free?
2013-07-10 12:20:43 PM  
3 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Car_Ramrod: Former President George W. Bush's Image Ratings Improve

One could argue it's because he's not in office anymore, and he's done a decent job of being an ex-president, but still.

I think some of that is that some of the stuff he did that got him all unpopular was just kind of the government working as intended, the restrictions on domestic freedoms and the domestic surveillance and Gitmo especially.  After watching the guy we don't reflexively assume is either wrong or an idiot get us involved in several wars in the middle east, spy on us, and fail to close Gitmo (or try particularly hard to do so for that matter) I think we've got some distance and are starting to see Bush as the mediocre president that failed to handle some bad shiat occurring as well as he could have, rather than the author of every bad thing happening from the collapse of the WTC to mid 2010.


Bush was a terrible president. Terrible. Charles Barkley Terrible. History will label him as such. The only reason he's less unpopular now is because the economy has improved under his predecessor, he has been relatively quiet (he knows deep down he was a f*ckup), and because he wasn't allowed to f*ck up the government more since 2006 when the Democrats wrested control of the legislative agenda.

I don't blame him for the economic collapse of 2000-2001 (that's all Greenspan) but he cut taxes and blew up the debt, took a blind eye to economic problems and he hurt our standing in the world. Two wars have been VERY costly, the economy is still recovering, and the precedents set in the war on terror still have implications today (even though I think Obama's been complicit in these undertakings). Gitmo should forever be the stone around his neck.  He's a war criminal and should have been sent to the Hague.

I don't care that the guy is an average person or likable. Plenty of charmers are dicks.
2013-07-10 12:06:31 PM  
3 votes:
The hard truth that the GOP seems bitterly unwilling to accept is that none of their far right conservative/batsh*t insane candidates will ever be nominated to be the GOP candidate let alone the POTUS. The best they can do is get a VP candidate like Palin. (God can you imagine what would have happened had Palin somehow become President? I shudder to think of it.)

The nomination goes through California, New York, Illinois, Washington, Oregon, Ohio, Pennsylvania, all the other blue states...Perry may get Texas but he'll never get Ohio unless some really poor choices are in the running with him.

2016 will be Jeb Bush followed by a line of Christian and ultraconservative assknobs, one of which may or may not be VP. They'll go to that convention full of old white people and act like the whole nation is with them as they bring the sob speeches about family values and anti-abortion and they'll push as many Latinos and Black people in their party as they can muster.

And when it's time to run for president, Jeb will move left to try and secure the moderates. And some people will believe him, because people are morons.

Doesn't matter to me, I won't vote for whatever dumbass they select.
2013-07-10 11:36:48 AM  
3 votes:
You underestimate that farker at your own risk.
2013-07-10 11:33:28 AM  
3 votes:
Rick Perry is proof that Texas sucks.
2013-07-10 11:56:47 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: A Rick perry presidency would scare the shiat outta me. Anyone not a heterosexual white male Christian would be farked.


As a heterosexual while male non-practicing Christian...I think I would seriously just leave the f*cking country if a douchenozzle like Perry ever got elected. At that point I'd have to assume the American people are too f*cking dumb to live among them anymore.

And yes I have the means of becoming a citizen in another country.
2013-07-10 11:53:43 AM  
2 votes:
A Rick perry presidency would scare the shiat outta me. Anyone not a heterosexual white male Christian would be farked.
2013-07-10 11:40:18 AM  
2 votes:
The real problem with a Rick Perry 2016 presidential run: abortion
If the Texas governor contests the GOP nomination, it will be as a firm pro-life candidate - provoking a bitter referendum on choice


Oh, Anna Marie.  You are far too smart to think that:

1)  He's got what it takes to make a plausible run again
2)  His dopey position on abortion is sophisticated enough to nudge the debate a millimeter in any direction
2013-07-10 11:07:33 AM  
2 votes:
A Katy Perry presidency is more likely.
2013-07-10 03:36:33 PM  
1 votes:

Son of Thunder: TFA: a clear majority of Americans, 52%, tell pollsters they believe abortion should be "legal only under certain circumstances". For some reason, pro-life advocates always take this number to mean a tendency to support their extreme position. I see it as just the opposite: Americans are loath to dictate actions to their countrymen, especially when it comes to sex; our tradition of personal liberty is too strong, our discomfort with the icky specifics of reproduction too innate.

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You see 52% of Americans saying that that there should be limits on abortion, and you choose to interpret it as 52% of Americans shouting FREEEEEEDOOOOOOM!?


I agree that the point the author was trying to make is stupid. However, the pro-lifers are also stupid for thinking "legal only under certain circumstances" isn't a general enough statement to mean stuff like, "not in the last trimester" or "only when the fetus is nonviable." Pro-lifers always assume it means, "not if she's a slut."
2013-07-10 01:30:07 PM  
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: Ned Stark: what_now: Jim_Callahan: After watching the guy we don't reflexively assume is either wrong or an idiot get us involved in several wars in the middle east, spy on us, and fail to close Gitmo

Let's be clear: You are comparing the Invasion of Iraq, which killed almost 4500 US troops, injured over 32000 US troops and led thousands to suicide, depression and drug addiction, which cost several trillion dollars and had absolutely no compelling justification with the joint NATO operation in Libya which has been US casualty free?

Competently executing baseless wars of aggression doesn't actually absolve you, no.

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There was that whole murder of 189 U.S. citizens, which is more than Timothy McVeigh killed.


I've been told that 103 was a long time ago, we already got revenge, and that Libya's clever op to get the bomber released and sent home was no big deal. Of course, that was all told to me by Tea Party Patriots, who really don't care about any of those three words.
2013-07-10 12:55:33 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Albeit if I were actually comparing policies I'd probably point to Obama's (admittedly somewhat reluctant) support of the surge tactic in Afghanistan and his handling of early smaller conflicts with pirates as better indicators that the overall attitude of our government toward farking about where we've really no business hasn't varied with administrations.


What? Obama campaigned on refocusing on the war in Afghanistan. He literally promised to send more troops to Afghanistan. I'm not sure how that qualifies as "somewhat reluctant."
2013-07-10 12:45:14 PM  
1 votes:

what_now: Jim_Callahan: After watching the guy we don't reflexively assume is either wrong or an idiot get us involved in several wars in the middle east, spy on us, and fail to close Gitmo

Let's be clear: You are comparing the Invasion of Iraq, which killed almost 4500 US troops, injured over 32000 US troops and led thousands to suicide, depression and drug addiction, which cost several trillion dollars and had absolutely no compelling justification with the joint NATO operation in Libya which has been US casualty free?


BOTH

SIDES


BAAAAAD
2013-07-10 12:42:21 PM  
1 votes:

what_now: Jim_Callahan: Eeeeeh, he was Jimmy Carter/JFK/JQ Adams terrible,

Serious question: Are you high?

The only president worse than Bush was James Buchanan. You can't SERIOUSLY compare him with Lincoln?


I'd actually throw Harding in between Buchanan and Bush the Little. I could see arguments for Fillmore and Grant being tossed in there too, but not many more.
2013-07-10 12:40:27 PM  
1 votes:

Tremolo: You underestimate that farker at your own risk.


No shiat. If the teatards manage to nominate the Texas Hair Ranger, he'll have all the power of the Republican party behind him.

And nothing is stopping the Democrats from nominating another Walter Mondale, except for the hope that Hillary is going to be healthy enough in three years to run.
2013-07-10 12:36:29 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Eeeeeh, he was Jimmy Carter/JFK/JQ Adams terrible,


Serious question: Are you high?

The only president worse than Bush was James Buchanan. You can't SERIOUSLY compare him with Lincoln?
2013-07-10 12:25:35 PM  
1 votes:
The other thing I'd like to add is that the media is telling you Bush is more popular now. That just reinforces your views on his popularity. Americans are sheep with zero attention span and are easy to move into the 'I guess he's not so bad' department.

The best thing that can be said about Bush is that the US didn't completely collapse under him.
2013-07-10 12:25:06 PM  
1 votes:

bdub77: he has been relatively quiet (he knows deep down he was a f*ckup)


I honestly think Bush never actually wanted to be President, and he did it because he wanted to impress his father, and his father's cronies needed a personable face to hide behind as they conducted their shenanigans. Once he was out of office, he was so happy he didn't have to be president anymore, he just kind of faded away. I think that's one of the reasons he hasn't commented on politics, especially Obama, since leaving office: he simply doesn't care.
2013-07-10 12:21:52 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Car_Ramrod: Former President George W. Bush's Image Ratings Improve

One could argue it's because he's not in office anymore, and he's done a decent job of being an ex-president, but still.

I think some of that is that some of the stuff he did that got him all unpopular was just kind of the government working as intended, the restrictions on domestic freedoms and the domestic surveillance and Gitmo especially.  After watching the guy we don't reflexively assume is either wrong or an idiot get us involved in several wars in the middle east, spy on us, and fail to close Gitmo (or try particularly hard to do so for that matter) I think we've got some distance and are starting to see Bush as the mediocre president that failed to handle some bad shiat occurring as well as he could have, rather than the author of every bad thing happening from the collapse of the WTC to mid 2010.


What wars did Obama get us involved in? And how is the fact that Reps (and some Dems) have blocked his every attempt to close Gitmo his fault, let alone equal to Bush starting the whole shebang?

I would say the Bush administration set the tone of this country's response to 9/11, and that a lot of what is still happening under Obama's watch (which I don't necessarily excuse him for) wouldn't be considered acceptable by the majority of this country if the Bush administration had reacted differently (or perhaps prevented in the first place, but that's another discussion). Starting the War on Terror is one of the worst paths we could've gone down. I get that it was mostly Cheney and the other evil lunatics directing the administration, but it was still Bush's boat. This is the government "working as intended" because Bush wrote the instruction manual.
2013-07-10 12:21:21 PM  
1 votes:
Americans are loath to dictate actions to their countrymen, especially when it comes to sex

This is true.  Except of Republicans.
2013-07-10 11:36:41 AM  
1 votes:

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: A Katy Perry presidency is more likely.


Tyler Perry Presents a Tyler Perry Production of Tyler Perry's Diary of a Retarded White Presidential Candidate starring Tyler Perry as Rick Perry.
2013-07-10 11:22:22 AM  
1 votes:
Go ahead, lets have a national referendum on abortion.

Please, proceed.
 
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