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(Runner's World)   Talented runner forced to drop out of the Olympic Marathon and miss the New York Marathon due to injuries a) adopts a rigorous regime of physiotherapy b) retires c) coaches himself through prayer   (runnersworld.com) divider line 11
    More: Stupid, New York Marathon, Ryan Hall, half marathons, injuries, runners, quadriceps, road racing  
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643 clicks; posted to Sports » on 10 Jul 2013 at 8:27 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-07-10 08:47:23 AM
So he's a healer? probably cheaper than seeing a Dr.
 
2013-07-10 09:52:00 AM
To be fair he also self-faith-coached himself to a fourth at Boston and 2nd at the trials.

Still wish he had stuck with Canova for at least a full healthy season.
 
2013-07-10 10:04:14 AM

bacongood: To be fair he also self-faith-coached himself to a fourth at Boston and 2nd at the trials.


That may be true, but think of where he'd be if he was training with Salazar. At least he'd be getting the good drugs.
 
2013-07-10 10:40:04 AM

HeathenHealer: bacongood: To be fair he also self-faith-coached himself to a fourth at Boston and 2nd at the trials.

That may be true, but think of where he'd be if he was training with Salazar. At least he'd be getting the good drugs.


Until one of his runner's test positive I will assume Salazar's program is "clean" (clean as in "as clean as any other program").  However, they do push certain limits which I think would really clash with Hall's style.  It would really be a horrible match.  I really thought a couple years with Canova and some Kenyans would do him good.

But what do I know?  My last impressive performance was 5th in a 5k where I lost to a chick and a high school kid who apparantly wasn't even on the track team.
 
2013-07-10 10:48:10 AM

bacongood: HeathenHealer: bacongood: To be fair he also self-faith-coached himself to a fourth at Boston and 2nd at the trials.

That may be true, but think of where he'd be if he was training with Salazar. At least he'd be getting the good drugs.

Until one of his runner's test positive I will assume Salazar's program is "clean" (clean as in "as clean as any other program").  However, they do push certain limits which I think would really clash with Hall's style.  It would really be a horrible match.  I really thought a couple years with Canova and some Kenyans would do him good.

But what do I know?  My last impressive performance was 5th in a 5k where I lost to a chick and a high school kid who apparantly wasn't even on the track team.


Ha! Maybe Hall would be better with another group, who knows. It just sucks he's essentially wasted his most productive years with his "praying for PR's" self coaching.

As for AlSal's group, I've got no doubt they're dirty. I've been a fan of XC and T&F since around '95. I'm waaaaaaay too cynical to believe any of the top runners are clean. It's still fun to watch them run fast.
 
2013-07-10 11:39:31 AM

HeathenHealer: Ha! Maybe Hall would be better with another group, who knows. It just sucks he's essentially wasted his most productive years with his "praying for PR's" self coaching.

As for AlSal's group, I've got no doubt they're dirty. I've been a fan of XC and T&F since around '95. I'm waaaaaaay too cynical to believe any of the top runners are clean. It's still fun to watch them run fast.


You would like to think that some coach would be able to get more out of him, but sadly he did get 4th in Boston and 2 at Trails, which means he was one of the best (if not the best) American marathoner for a stretch.  So nobody else is getting better results.  It is hard to get on his case for the DNF at the Olympics when the US Women's team was basically held together with k-tape and wishes.

As for Salazar, the level of shock I would experiance if they got busted would register somewhere between "this isn't diet soda" and "my pen just ran out of ink".  However, until they are, I will assume they are as clean as any other program (of all which would register the same amount of shock for dirty tests).

Really, as Hall is probably one of the few runners that would register real shock for dirty tests, the fact that he self trains may speak to how many truly clean programs there are out there...
 
2013-07-10 03:32:05 PM

bacongood: HeathenHealer: bacongood: To be fair he also self-faith-coached himself to a fourth at Boston and 2nd at the trials.

That may be true, but think of where he'd be if he was training with Salazar. At least he'd be getting the good drugs.

Until one of his runner's test positive I will assume Salazar's program is "clean" (clean as in "as clean as any other program").  However, they do push certain limits which I think would really clash with Hall's style.  It would really be a horrible match.  I really thought a couple years with Canova and some Kenyans would do him good.

But what do I know?  My last impressive performance was 5th in a 5k where I lost to a chick and a high school kid who apparantly wasn't even on the track team.


I hear ya.  I recently ran a 19:38 and finished 6th.  I was the fifth finisher in the 40-44 age group (places were 1-2-4-5-6).  I'm extremely conflicted about that third place age group medal because I know I really didn't earn it.
 
2013-07-10 04:18:11 PM

vento: I hear ya.  I recently ran a 19:38 and finished 6th.  I was the fifth finisher in the 40-44 age group (places were 1-2-4-5-6).  I'm extremely conflicted about that third place age group medal because I know I really didn't earn it.


Take it.

It all balances out.  I've been in races like that and then some where I know I came in 20-something and said "screw this, no award, I am out", only to check results later and find out I was 2nd AG.
 
2013-07-10 06:50:01 PM
Hall is talented as fark, but he gets a little too Jesusy for my tastes. It would be awesome to see him excel again though.
 
2013-07-10 06:50:47 PM

vento: bacongood: HeathenHealer: bacongood: To be fair he also self-faith-coached himself to a fourth at Boston and 2nd at the trials.

That may be true, but think of where he'd be if he was training with Salazar. At least he'd be getting the good drugs.

Until one of his runner's test positive I will assume Salazar's program is "clean" (clean as in "as clean as any other program").  However, they do push certain limits which I think would really clash with Hall's style.  It would really be a horrible match.  I really thought a couple years with Canova and some Kenyans would do him good.

But what do I know?  My last impressive performance was 5th in a 5k where I lost to a chick and a high school kid who apparantly wasn't even on the track team.

I hear ya.  I recently ran a 19:38 and finished 6th.  I was the fifth finisher in the 40-44 age group (places were 1-2-4-5-6).  I'm extremely conflicted about that third place age group medal because I know I really didn't earn it.


That time's not half bad for 40-44, take it and be happy with it.
 
2013-07-10 10:48:15 PM
The 40 years olds tend to be faster than the 30 year olds.  I'm 39 and eagerly awaiting my 40th birthday, upon when my injuries will heal themselves and my times will improve by 10%!

That must be what happens, right?
 
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