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(Huffington Post)   Illinois General Assembly overrides Governor Pat Quinn's publicity stunt. Come for the obligatory gun histrionics, stay for the epic shunning of a sitting governor by his own party   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 237
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2013-07-10 01:32:38 AM  
The Chicago Democrat faces a tough re-election fight next year and has already drawn a primary challenge from former White House chief of state Bill Daley, who has criticized the governor's handling of the debate over guns and other issues.
[...]
Quinn had urged Democratic Attorney General Lisa Madigan to appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. Madigan filed motions to dismiss the lawsuits Tuesday after the override, reporting to a federal judge the issue is moot now that there's a law that answers the original legal action.
[...]
As a nod to Quinn, Senate President John Cullerton floated legislation that addressed the governor's worries. But the Senate ultimately approved a follow-up bill that only mentioned two of his suggestions. It failed in the House.


For those of you who don't know, the General Assembly in Illinois has record Democratic majorities after the state GOP shiat the bed worse than usual during the last election cycle.  A (significant) majority of Democrats (who comprise 111 out of 177 seats in both chambers) voted to override the governor's veto, and an even larger number supported the bill before he took his red pen to it at the last minute.  This is as much a legitimate compromise in the face of a federal court deadline as it is a giant middle finger to the country's least popular governor, by his own party, no less.

For those of you on the Brady side of the gun control debate, this is good news, this is ammunition to combat the idea that all Democrats are anti-gun.  For you 2nd Amendment people, this is obviously good news, we can keep our automatic, baby-killing penis enhancers with us at (almost) all times, like when we go to protest abortion clinics or attend cross-burnings.

And for everybody in Illinois, this is excellent news, as it in no uncertain terms tells us that the weakest, most ineffectual governor in our state's history will soon no longer have a career in politics, if you could call what he's doing now a "career" or "politics."
 
2013-07-10 01:41:18 AM  

Fark It: we can keep our automatic, baby-killing penis enhancers


Just remember to not lead as much.
 
2013-07-10 02:07:38 AM  

Fark It: the weakest, most ineffectual governor in our state's history


He was never elected governor.  He got pulled into the vacuum when Blagojevich got busted trying to sell Obama's former congressional seat appointment.

This isn't even his worst line-item veto abuse, either.  He took some pro-gun bill in the past and completely gutted and rewrote it as a statewide 'assault weapon' ban. I think that one got thrown out by the courts as an egregious overreach.
 
2013-07-10 08:03:37 AM  
Still not enough to get me to step foot in that shiat hole.
 
2013-07-10 08:13:02 AM  
I hope they f*ck up and there becomes no regulation on carrying.
 
2013-07-10 08:14:32 AM  
I'm just tired of the criminals being the only ones with the enhanced penises.
 
2013-07-10 08:15:27 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I hope they f*ck up and there becomes no regulation on carrying.


Sadly the override prevented that.
 
2013-07-10 08:16:15 AM  
Also, banning carry on public transportation sounds like bullshiat and I hope it gets challenged.
 
2013-07-10 08:17:10 AM  
Chicago Democrats over the years have been like those turds that float and just refuse to go down with the flush. I watched the Legislatures debate and override this yesterday.  Amazing just how farking stupid some of the Chicago Reps and Senators actually are when it comes to fact.
 
2013-07-10 08:17:13 AM  
Oh's Noe's!!  We accidentally gave the citizens a right that they should have had anyway!!!
Oh the huge manateetees!

So what.  The results of this will be a nice downturn in violent crime in general.  Nothing more.  No descent into chaos, well any more than Illinois already was.

Except in Chicago, where most of the crime is actually committed by the politicians and police.
 
2013-07-10 08:17:14 AM  
And if you vote for Bill Daley in the next election I will personally come to your house & spit on your stoop.

People that don't live here may not be aware how crooked that family is.
 
2013-07-10 08:18:06 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Sadly the override prevented that.


There is still a chance right? Didn't the article say by midnight tonight or something?
 
2013-07-10 08:18:19 AM  
Criminals really don't care very much about CCW laws.
 
2013-07-10 08:18:30 AM  

bim1154: Amazing just how farking stupid some of the Chicago Reps and Senators actually are when it comes to fact.


And what "fact" is that?
 
2013-07-10 08:19:31 AM  
I love how they keep throwing in numbers of gun deaths when they talk about this. As if people are holding back on killing each other until it's legal to carry.
 
2013-07-10 08:23:22 AM  
Yes because in a state with a city sporting some of the worst gun violence in the nation, adding more guns is obviously the solution
 
2013-07-10 08:23:55 AM  
According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all
 
2013-07-10 08:24:23 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Yes because in a state with a city sporting some of the worst gun violence in the nation, adding more guns is obviously the solution


Don't be a dumb sh*t
 
2013-07-10 08:25:01 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Yes because in a state with a city sporting some of the worst gun violence in the nation, adding more guns is obviously the solution


Restricting them has been a resounding success.
 
2013-07-10 08:25:44 AM  

Stoj: And if you vote for Bill Daley in the next election I will personally come to your house & spit on your stoop.

People that don't live here may not be aware how crooked that family is.


The Madigans are just as bad, if not worse. The best part about Quinn was that he wasn't a criminal like the daleys and the madigans.
 
2013-07-10 08:25:57 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Yes because in a state with a city sporting some of the worst gun violence in the nation, adding more guns is obviously the solution


Yes because in a state with a city sporting some of the worst gun violence in the nation, adding more guns is obviously the solution.

Fixed that for you.  Don't blame the tool, blame the users.
 
2013-07-10 08:26:39 AM  

vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all


Do you have a source for that?
 
2013-07-10 08:26:56 AM  
IdBeCrazyIf

Don't be a dumb shiat troll
 
2013-07-10 08:28:37 AM  

BgJonson79: vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all

Do you have a source for that?


He is busy getting his colonoscopy films right now, I am sure.
 
2013-07-10 08:28:46 AM  

syrynxx: Fark It: the weakest, most ineffectual governor in our state's history

He was never elected governor.  He got pulled into the vacuum when Blagojevich got busted trying to sell Obama's former congressional seat appointment.


Sort of.

The election for  Governor of Illinois was held on November 2, 2010. Incumbent Governor sought and was elected to a full term.
 
2013-07-10 08:29:19 AM  
Not trolling, just saying adding more guns won't fix it.

Show me where adding guns solves the problem?
 
2013-07-10 08:30:32 AM  
FTA
He (Quinn) prefers banning guns from private property unless an owner puts up a sign allowing guns

He failed with with that? I'm stunned.
 
2013-07-10 08:31:28 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I love how they keep throwing in numbers of gun deaths when they talk about this. As if people are holding back on killing each other until it's legal to carry.


I noticed that as well:

"Some lawmakers feared failure to pass something would mean virtually unregulated weapons in Chicago, which has endured severe gun violence in recent months - including more than 70 shootings, at least 12 of them fatal, during the Independence Day weekend. "

I wonder how many injuries and deaths occurred due to drinking and fireworks over the Independence Day weekend... I am trying to look it up, but I keep getting murder rates and not death in general.
 
2013-07-10 08:32:19 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Not trolling, just saying adding more guns won't fix it.

Show me where adding guns solves the problem?


Stop. Just stop.

No one is adding guns or making people carry guns. It's just allowing someone to exercise a Constitutional right.

Show me where banning them has stopped gun violence
 
2013-07-10 08:33:59 AM  
And one more thing.

32,000 gun murders/year (approx) divided by
320 million (approx) citizens in U.S.

Math says the resulting fraction is 0.01% of the population. One one-hundreth of one percent.

Why is there all this arm-waving over guns when 99.99% of us are kept safe with the current gun laws? That's pretty good. Any other laws that worked that well would be surprising.
 
2013-07-10 08:35:38 AM  
This map may be relevant. And note how NYC is cherry picked away from his argument, despite it having some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
 
2013-07-10 08:36:00 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Not trolling, just saying adding more guns won't fix it.

Show me where adding guns solves the problem?


Isn't that why police have them?
 
2013-07-10 08:36:01 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Show me where banning them has stopped gun violence


Well we'd love to see and analyze that question, but the CDC is prevented from studying it

And seriously? If you allow people to conceal carry then by simple logic more people will have guns while out and about, does this actually solve a problem?

Was there even a problem to begin with?
 
2013-07-10 08:36:41 AM  
Everytime I hear Gov Quinn speak, I wonder if he is TRYING to sound like Mayor Quimby, or if it is just the verification of the stereo type.  its not the accent, but the idiotic things he says and the pace at which he says them.
 
2013-07-10 08:36:43 AM  

BgJonson79: vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all

Do you have a source for that?


UN Website - look it up yourself - or do you need to be spoon-fed?
 
2013-07-10 08:36:48 AM  

GoldSpider: IdBeCrazyIf: Yes because in a state with a city sporting some of the worst gun violence in the nation, adding more guns is obviously the solution

Restricting them has been a resounding success.


Yeah, I never leave the house without my bulletproof vest.

/masshole
 
2013-07-10 08:36:54 AM  

vbob: Why is there all this arm-waving over guns when 99.99% of us are kept safe with the current gun laws? That's pretty good. Any other laws that worked that well would be surprising.


Because other countries are doing much, much better? If we are grading on a curve, 99.99% is a D+. Most civilized nations have another nine or two added.
 
2013-07-10 08:38:28 AM  

vbob: UN Website - look it up yourself


Rush forget to give you the link? Also, please explain NYC's lack of contribution versus its very strict gun laws.
 
2013-07-10 08:39:13 AM  

CheatCommando: This map may be relevant. And note how NYC is cherry picked away from his argument, despite it having some of the strictest gun laws in the country.


I wonder if extracting it one more place to population per square mile would influence it?  'Cause three deaths in Wyoming is a massacre, but in NYC it's a "Tuesday."
 
2013-07-10 08:40:06 AM  

vbob: BgJonson79: vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all

Do you have a source for that?

UN Website - look it up yourself - or do you need to be spoon-fed?


Spoon fed.  I need to make sure I'm looking at the exact same data as the person I'm asking.  No need to be hostile, though.  I LIKE the stat.  I just want to make sure the math behind it is sound! ;-)
 
2013-07-10 08:40:12 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Show me where banning them has stopped gun violence


Show me where banning murder stopped murder. Guess we should clear out the prisons, right?
 
2013-07-10 08:40:34 AM  

vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all


NOLA doesn't have strict gun laws. Well theoretically they don't. NOPD seems to have their own interpretation of the law in general, but that's a topic for a different day.
 
2013-07-10 08:40:53 AM  
A) Governor Quinn is not from Chicago.  He's from Hinsdale

B)  Thank you, Governor Quinn, for trying to hold off the gun nuts.
 
2013-07-10 08:41:04 AM  

CheatCommando: BgJonson79: vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all

Do you have a source for that?

He is busy getting his colonoscopy films right now, I am sure.


Apparently, you need more stats -- and by the way, ad hominum attacks are the refuge of, well, at least loose-thinking. Go insult yourself for being childish.
 
2013-07-10 08:41:08 AM  

BgJonson79: CheatCommando: This map may be relevant. And note how NYC is cherry picked away from his argument, despite it having some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

I wonder if extracting it one more place to population per square mile would influence it?  'Cause three deaths in Wyoming is a massacre, but in NYC it's a "Tuesday."


These are per-capita numbers. That is taken care of. That's elementary math.
 
2013-07-10 08:42:32 AM  

vbob: CheatCommando: BgJonson79: vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all

Do you have a source for that?

He is busy getting his colonoscopy films right now, I am sure.

Apparently, you need more stats -- and by the way, ad hominum attacks are the refuge of, well, at least loose-thinking. Go insult yourself for being childish.


Still no source, as I suspected. Whereas I have a cite for my numbers.Calling out  your obvious trolling is only ad hominemif it is not true.
 
2013-07-10 08:42:45 AM  

vbob: CheatCommando: BgJonson79: vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all

Do you have a source for that?

He is busy getting his colonoscopy films right now, I am sure.

Apparently, you need more stats -- and by the way, ad hominum attacks are the refuge of, well, at least loose-thinking. Go insult yourself for being childish.


If you're going to go to the trouble of italicizing words, you might as well spell them right.
 
2013-07-10 08:44:31 AM  

Fark It: The Chicago Democrat faces a tough re-election fight next year and has already drawn a primary challenge from former White House chief of state Bill Daley, who has criticized the governor's handling of the debate over guns and other issues.
[...]
Quinn had urged Democratic Attorney General Lisa Madigan to appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. Madigan filed motions to dismiss the lawsuits Tuesday after the override, reporting to a federal judge the issue is moot now that there's a law that answers the original legal action.
[...]
As a nod to Quinn, Senate President John Cullerton floated legislation that addressed the governor's worries. But the Senate ultimately approved a follow-up bill that only mentioned two of his suggestions. It failed in the House.

For those of you who don't know, the General Assembly in Illinois has record Democratic majorities after the state GOP shiat the bed worse than usual during the last election cycle.  A (significant) majority of Democrats (who comprise 111 out of 177 seats in both chambers) voted to override the governor's veto, and an even larger number supported the bill before he took his red pen to it at the last minute.  This is as much a legitimate compromise in the face of a federal court deadline as it is a giant middle finger to the country's least popular governor, by his own party, no less.

For those of you on the Brady side of the gun control debate, this is good news, this is ammunition to combat the idea that all Democrats are anti-gun.  For you 2nd Amendment people, this is obviously good news, we can keep our automatic, baby-killing penis enhancers with us at (almost) all times, like when we go to protest abortion clinics or attend cross-burnings.

And for everybody in Illinois, this is excellent news, as it in no uncertain terms tells us that the weakest, most ineffectual governor in our state's history will soon no longer have a career in politics, if you could call what he's doing now a "career" or "politi ...


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2013-07-10 08:45:05 AM  

BgJonson79: IdBeCrazyIf: Not trolling, just saying adding more guns won't fix it.

Show me where adding guns solves the problem?

Isn't that why police have them?


Police are consummate professionals, though. Totally different.
 
2013-07-10 08:45:48 AM  

vbob: According to recent UN reports on world gun violence, the U.S. ranks #3 from the top in gun-related murder. But, when you remove the numbers from just four cities, namely L.A., Chicago, D.C. and New Orleans (yes, NOLA) - then the U.S. ranks fourth from the bottom.

Those four cities also have the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Those who mince meat over these UN figures may now rant on ..

/that is all


Wrong:

New Orleans is in a shall issue state, with no extra carry restrictions. NYC gun laws are FAR more restrictive, and NYC's percapita murder rate is very low...

// Gun owner, CCW permit holder
// Hate when people parrot facebook/FWD: FWD: FWD: BS, just because it supports their inner bias...
 
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