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(Slate)   To the left, an argument about abolishing tipping. To the right, live coverage of what will go down in history as the root cause of WWIII. Always tip 7%   (slate.com) divider line 252
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2013-07-09 03:56:52 PM  
FTFA: "Tipping is a repugnant custom. It's bad for consumers and terrible for workers."

Article said it all
 
2013-07-09 03:58:56 PM  
If you don't want to tip, you're more than welcome to stick to McDonald's or cooking for yourself.
 
2013-07-09 04:08:45 PM  
I'm for tipping, but wait staff should be paid a fair wage, too.  Its a sleazy way of transferring my tip to the owner of the restaurant.  There should be no 'special' exemption for people just because I tip them.
 
2013-07-09 04:10:11 PM  
Tip 7% or 15% it's your CHOICE whether to tip or not. If I've gotten good service I tip heavy at least 15% if not 20% because I've been there and it's bust a$$ work. Now if they screw lots up, take too long in between checking if you need anything etc., I might leave closer to a 5% tip. But never nothing at all unless they were verbally rude, it's still hard work even if they suck at their job.
 
2013-07-09 04:13:55 PM  

J.Shelby: I'm for tipping, but wait staff should be paid a fair wage, too.


Every waitress I've ever known averaged out to at least $12-15/hour.  At least.  Now, obviously I haven't known every waitress ever (and I've only known waitresses), but the point I'm trying to make is that wait staff might not be as badly off as you think.

15% Is my standard.
20% for good service.
More/less as applies.
 
2013-07-09 04:22:46 PM  

Honest Bender: Every waitress I've ever known averaged out to at least $12-15/hour. At least. Now, obviously I haven't known every waitress ever (and I've only known waitresses), but the point I'm trying to make is that wait staff might not be as badly off as you think.


Have you only known waitresses in California? Because the wait staffs here have to be paid at least minimum wage no matter if they get tipped or not. That isn't the case in most states. If you're waiting tables for $3.50 an hour in Kentucky, you need to make another $3.75 an hour in tips just to hit minimum wage.
 
2013-07-09 04:28:14 PM  

Honest Bender: Every waitress I've ever known averaged out to at least $12-15/hour.  At least.


What state(s) were they working in and does any of that include what they made in tips themselves?
 
2013-07-09 04:29:34 PM  
Okay, but coffee?  For a plain coffee, not a latte or anything else involving time and effort?
 
2013-07-09 04:31:07 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Honest Bender: Every waitress I've ever known averaged out to at least $12-15/hour.  At least.

What state(s) were they working in and does any of that include what they made in tips themselves?


I also guarantee they weren't working for Darden which is the largest restaurant employer in the country.

/it might be possible to make decent money was a waiter/waitress but it's the exception not the rule
 
2013-07-09 04:33:24 PM  
Oh, look.... it's this thread again
 
2013-07-09 04:38:45 PM  
Look the bottom line is this is how it works in the USA, not necessarily elsewhere, but we tip here.  15% unless your service was just godawful (which is very RARE, notice the connection?)  More if you think it's warranted.
 
2013-07-09 04:42:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Honest Bender: Every waitress I've ever known averaged out to at least $12-15/hour.  At least.

What state(s) were they working in and does any of that include what they made in tips themselves?


I'm talking about income (which is almost entirely tips).  And this was in California.
 
2013-07-09 04:42:32 PM  

nekom: Look the bottom line is this is how it works in the USA, not necessarily elsewhere, but we tip here.  15% unless your service was just godawful (which is very RARE, notice the connection?)  More if you think it's warranted.


So it doesn't matter that everyone involved is getting screwed in the deal? We have to keep doing it the same way forever because that's the way we've always done it?
 
2013-07-09 04:47:57 PM  

Voiceofreason01: nekom: Look the bottom line is this is how it works in the USA, not necessarily elsewhere, but we tip here.  15% unless your service was just godawful (which is very RARE, notice the connection?)  More if you think it's warranted.

So it doesn't matter that everyone involved is getting screwed in the deal? We have to keep doing it the same way forever because that's the way we've always done it?


No, it's worth reviewing the system, but it's pretty entrenched.  As long as it IS the current system, not tipping is just not proper.
 
2013-07-09 04:50:43 PM  
I usually tip $1 per beer. Beers are usually $4 or $5 at the types of places I go. If I go to a fancy place and the beer is $8 or $9, I still tip $1 per beer.

Restaurants I usually tip 20%
 
2013-07-09 04:54:50 PM  

nekom: Voiceofreason01: nekom: Look the bottom line is this is how it works in the USA, not necessarily elsewhere, but we tip here.  15% unless your service was just godawful (which is very RARE, notice the connection?)  More if you think it's warranted.

So it doesn't matter that everyone involved is getting screwed in the deal? We have to keep doing it the same way forever because that's the way we've always done it?

No, it's worth reviewing the system, but it's pretty entrenched.  As long as it IS the current system, not tipping is just not proper.


true. Really it's going to take a real effort on the part of restaurant owners to change the system; the problem being that owners lose out the least on the current system.
 
2013-07-09 05:23:22 PM  
Voiceofreason01:
true. Really it's going to take a real effort on the part of restaurant owners to change the system; the problem being that owners lose out the least on the current system.

They are, and they're probably the strongest to lobby to keep the status quo.  I just won't take that out on the wait staff who make a pittance without tips.  A living wage, preferably with health insurance, and voluntary tipping when the service is just AMAZING (and I've had some GREAT waiters and waitresses) would probably be more fair.
 
2013-07-09 05:46:37 PM  
I generally tip 20%. The federal minimum wage for tipped earners is $2.13 per hour (untipped earners get $7.25 per hour). They do better in some states but not everywhere and they get taxed on their tips.

I would rather it be like Europe where you tip maybe 10%, but the workers already make a good wage. Even the tax is already rolled into the price on the menu so you know easily how much your bill will be before you order.
 
2013-07-09 05:56:07 PM  

vernonFL: I usually tip $1 per beer. Beers are usually $4 or $5 at the types of places I go. If I go to a fancy place and the beer is $8 or $9, I still tip $1 per beer.

Restaurants I usually tip 20%


You're a good guy.

/bar tender
 
2013-07-09 06:04:43 PM  
Restaurant server tip threads are old hat.

The new hotness are threads about how much to tip for to-go orders.
 
2013-07-09 06:30:05 PM  
Having worked in the service industry, I tip. I'll even trend towards being nice if someone is a f*ckup. Some people just have bad days.
 
2013-07-09 06:49:37 PM  
Why should tips go to servers?  The owners are the ones that have to deal with all of the stupid people, the Yelpers, the Reddits.

s1.ibtimes.com
 
2013-07-09 06:59:34 PM  
I don't believe in tipping.
 
2013-07-09 07:01:35 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: vernonFL: I usually tip $1 per beer. Beers are usually $4 or $5 at the types of places I go. If I go to a fancy place and the beer is $8 or $9, I still tip $1 per beer.

Restaurants I usually tip 20%

You're a good guy.

/bar tender


A dollar per drink minimum and don't order anything complex.  You're welcome
 
2013-07-09 07:01:48 PM  
If the article is correct and tipping came from Europe, then why do us Americans insist on tipping 15-20%? Where did that come from?
 
2013-07-09 07:02:10 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-09 07:02:42 PM  
I've gotten into the habit of over tipping, especially after I've had drinks.

/hard habit to break :(
 
2013-07-09 07:02:46 PM  
Ah, I see the idiot brigade has weighed in on this subject.  If you don't tip you waiter properly, then you are an asshole.
 
2013-07-09 07:03:12 PM  

exick: Honest Bender: Every waitress I've ever known averaged out to at least $12-15/hour. At least. Now, obviously I haven't known every waitress ever (and I've only known waitresses), but the point I'm trying to make is that wait staff might not be as badly off as you think.

Have you only known waitresses in California? Because the wait staffs here have to be paid at least minimum wage no matter if they get tipped or not. That isn't the case in most states. If you're waiting tables for $3.50 an hour in Kentucky, you need to make another $3.75 an hour in tips just to hit minimum wage.


I was under the impression that the owner needed to make up the difference to achieve a minimum wage equivalent if the tips didn't pan out. Let me doublecheck.
 
2013-07-09 07:03:20 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: If you don't want to tip, you're more than welcome to stick to McDonald's or cooking for yourself.


Or just not tip.
 
2013-07-09 07:04:24 PM  
If service is particularly good, I like to play a game called "Just the Tip."

Once even had a server who enjoyed a spirited round of "Keep the Change."
 
2013-07-09 07:04:29 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, look.... it's this thread again


But this time with a completely different set of responses.
You watch, nay sayer.
 
2013-07-09 07:04:43 PM  
I too have an opinion on this topic.

/this old, old topic.
 
2013-07-09 07:05:01 PM  

redmid17: exick: Honest Bender: Every waitress I've ever known averaged out to at least $12-15/hour. At least. Now, obviously I haven't known every waitress ever (and I've only known waitresses), but the point I'm trying to make is that wait staff might not be as badly off as you think.

Have you only known waitresses in California? Because the wait staffs here have to be paid at least minimum wage no matter if they get tipped or not. That isn't the case in most states. If you're waiting tables for $3.50 an hour in Kentucky, you need to make another $3.75 an hour in tips just to hit minimum wage.

I was under the impression that the owner needed to make up the difference to achieve a minimum wage equivalent if the tips didn't pan out. Let me doublecheck.


Yeah I was right:

 If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/wagestips.htm

I usually tip 15-20 percent on meals, and I tip a dollar a drink at a bar (if cash) or just throw 20-25% if I've opened a tab.
 
2013-07-09 07:05:16 PM  

CygnusDarius: I don't believe in tipping.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-09 07:05:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: If you don't want to tip, you're more than welcome to stick to McDonald's or cooking for yourself.


If you want me to pay for goods and services, tell me the god damn prices. Unwritten rules mean they don't have to be followed. 

I always tip, of course, unless the service from the wait staff is really, really bad (and not just problems from the kitchen). But it's a horrible system, restaurants should be paying a living wage, and all states should do at least what California does for servers.
 
2013-07-09 07:06:47 PM  
I completely agree with the article. Waiters and waistresses should just be paid real wages and tipping should be abolished as an assumed thing. All tipping really does is make it up to the customers to support employees, so that the owners don't have to it. But, since it will likely never happen I always tip big. Sometimes you just gotta give in and work with the system.

Except for places like coffee shops and the like. I'm not gonna tip you for making me a coffee. Hell, if it's that big a deal just give me access to the ingredients and a coffee maker and I'll do it myself.
 
2013-07-09 07:06:53 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, look.... it's this thread again

 
2013-07-09 07:07:19 PM  
Since tipped workers are often asked to do untipped work they should be paid a real wage.

Maybe we should switch the tables and have wait staff work on commission. Yes, it'll result in higher menu prices but we will be asked not to tip, but please buy desert.
 
2013-07-09 07:07:23 PM  
I wonder: how many people who are against tipping have ever tippled?
 
2013-07-09 07:08:09 PM  
Do you really want to piss off the person bringing your food and refilling your drinks?
 
2013-07-09 07:08:17 PM  
It perpetuates racism

Tell that to the Wealthy Peeps, the French and the Navajo Indians.

B.S. - People perpetuate racism

T.I.P. is an acronym for To Insure Promptness

If i get good "prompt service" then i generally tip around 22-23%.  Service is not a jar at the end of the counter at the local sandwich shop
 
2013-07-09 07:08:41 PM  
I tip.

And if I'm in Quebec, I tip little more, since I found out Quebec automatically taxes 8% of whatever sales the server handled, regardless if a tip was received or not.  It helps balance out the assholes that don't tip, or tip less than 8%.  Why should a server get screwed by the government because of some asshole customers?
 
2013-07-09 07:10:47 PM  
I'm not going to pay my employees.   YOU DO IT!
 
2013-07-09 07:11:04 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-09 07:11:31 PM  

iaazathot: Ah, I see the idiot brigade has weighed in on this subject.  If you don't tip you waiter properly, then you are an asshole.


That's exactly the kind of thing douchebags say.
 
2013-07-09 07:11:36 PM  
The tip. Give just the tip.... and only for a few seconds.

You know... just to see how it feels.
 
2013-07-09 07:11:42 PM  
By and large, I tip well because if I intend to come back and you handle my food, we'll both be better off.  Even if you fark up royally, I'll still give you a pity tip.

I've been on the other side of things.  Yes, the perception is that blacks don't tip/very well.  I've seen it.  But I've seen those who do, and whites that don't.  I would say it's a poverty thing (oh, you can't tip me because you got kids to feed THEN WHY DID YOU ORDER $40 OF DELIVERY PIZZA???), but I've had the affluent stiff/barely tip me as well.

I think if there is a unified theory of tipping, it is this: if you don't tip or tip shiatty, you've already made up your mind regardless of what your server/delivery driver does, you selfish asshole.  Enjoy getting a cold pizza/dirty platter/not served accordingly.
 
2013-07-09 07:11:50 PM  

jeffdo1: Do you really want to piss off the person bringing your food and refilling your drinks?


Wait, you tip *before* your meal?
 
2013-07-09 07:11:51 PM  

jeffdo1: Do you really want to piss off the person bringing your food and refilling your drinks?


You know you don't tip until the end of the meal, right?
 
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