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(CBS News)   Doctor treating patients in Flight 214 crash apparently thinks "Seat belts save lives" also applies to plane crashes; befuddled at massive amount of spinal injuries   (cbsnews.com) divider line 124
    More: Dumbass, Asiana Airlines, spinal cord injury, San Francisco General Hospital, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, aircraft crashed, neurosurgery, seat belts, San Francisco  
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2013-07-09 02:33:31 PM  
Tag must be for Submittard.
 
2013-07-09 02:42:11 PM  
"Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"
 
2013-07-09 02:44:51 PM  
The way the front end of that plane slammed down, it's no surprise at all

/why do you think "crash position" is bent over?
//besides making it easier to kiss your ass goodbye
 
2013-07-09 02:47:54 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The way the front end of that plane slammed down, it's no surprise at all

/why do you think "crash position" is bent over?
//besides making it easier to kiss your ass goodbye


Good point. They didn't have much warning, so I bet most people were sitting normally when they smacked into the ground.
 
2013-07-09 02:52:09 PM  
sounds preferable to being smeared all over the roof of the plane or the tarmac.
 
2013-07-09 02:54:53 PM  
Alive with a hurt back is still alive.
 
2013-07-09 03:12:29 PM  
Wake up Sheeple!
 
2013-07-09 03:35:57 PM  
The same reason you're asked to put your seats upright during take off and landing.. For other people. Maybe for you, but especially for other people.
 
2013-07-09 04:08:05 PM  
Manley said even among those who suffered mild spine trauma, he is struck by a pattern that shows how their upper bodies were flung forward and then backward over the lap belts that kept them in their seats and undoubtedly saved their lives.

what are you trying to do here submitter
 
2013-07-09 04:39:55 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Wake up Sheeple!


Study it out.
 
2013-07-09 07:08:11 PM  

kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"


BUT I'D RATHER BE THROWN CLEAR!!!
 
2013-07-09 07:09:14 PM  

Sgt Otter: kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"

BUT I'D RATHER BE THROWN CLEAR!!!


But then the fire trucks will run over you
 
2013-07-09 07:16:12 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sgt Otter: kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"

BUT I'D RATHER BE THROWN CLEAR!!!

But then the fire trucks will run over you


Too soon, bro, too soon.

/chuckled
 
2013-07-09 07:31:19 PM  
I guess this crash is more evidence for having the seats face the rear of the plane (but who would like to ride like that?) (how would that work on takeoff?)

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-09 08:10:28 PM  
You missed the part about the 1988 regulations that required airplanes seats to withstand 16g acceleration instead of the previous regulation of 8g, as crash data showed passengers who would have otherwise survived were killed from being thrown around a cabin while still belted in their broken-loose seats?
 
2013-07-09 08:10:58 PM  

RoyBatty: I guess this crash is more evidence for having the seats face the rear of the plane (but who would like to ride like that?) (how would that work on takeoff?)

[i.imgur.com image 524x634]


In ten years the accepted slang term for passenger airplane would be 'vomit comit'.
 
2013-07-09 08:12:53 PM  
img842.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-09 08:12:58 PM  

RoyBatty: I guess this crash is more evidence for having the seats face the rear of the plane (but who would like to ride like that?) (how would that work on takeoff?)

[i.imgur.com image 524x634]


Same as it works on roller coasters that go backwards.
 
2013-07-09 08:14:11 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Alive with a hurt back is still alive.


alive with a crushed spine and never being able to walk again is still alive.

Unlike that poor girl who might have survived the crash but got killed by an emergency vehicle.
 
2013-07-09 08:16:46 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sgt Otter: kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"

BUT I'D RATHER BE THROWN CLEAR!!!

But then the fire trucks will run over you


I barked out laughter
 
2013-07-09 08:18:21 PM  
But if you jump up in the air right before impact you can cancel your momentum and walk away unscathed!
 
2013-07-09 08:18:41 PM  

namatad: The My Little Pony Killer: Alive with a hurt back is still alive.

alive with a crushed spine and never being able to walk again is still alive.

Unlike that poor girl who might have survived the crash but got killed by an emergency vehicle.


You noticed a fluke!  Good job!
 
2013-07-09 08:21:20 PM  

skinink: [img842.imageshack.us image 850x589]


An friend of mine used to use these horrifying in-flight graphics as covers for the kick-ass mix tapes he used to make. Obviously, none of the tapes contained cheery pop music.
 
2013-07-09 08:23:11 PM  
didja see the way the plane cartwheeled, <b>sub-sh*tter</b>?   do you THINK that maybe had some folks not worn their belts that MAYBE they would have become wall paste as opposed to alive?   I dunno, perhaps you're an expert and wish to enlighten us with your expertise?
 
2013-07-09 08:24:37 PM  

alienated: RoyBatty: I guess this crash is more evidence for having the seats face the rear of the plane (but who would like to ride like that?) (how would that work on takeoff?)

[i.imgur.com image 524x634]

Same as it works on roller coasters that go backwards.


By work, I meant more of how passengers would perceive it. Make takeoffs more queasy?

On backwards roller coasters you most likely (these days) have that big over the head bar, and on an airline that of course would never occur, nor would most passengers want a roller coaster like ride.

Facing the seats around is probably a non-starter - I like flying - I think I'd dislike facing backwards.
 
2013-07-09 08:25:32 PM  

meatofmystery: didja see the way the plane cartwheeled, <b>sub-sh*tter</b>?   do you THINK that maybe had some folks not worn their belts that MAYBE they would have become wall paste as opposed to alive?   I dunno, perhaps you're an expert and wish to enlighten us with your expertise?


bold-fail on my part.
 
2013-07-09 08:29:40 PM  
Where were the people sitting that ended up with spinal injuries? Were they sitting in the rear, near where the bottom of the plane slammed into the seawall and broke the tail off?
 
2013-07-09 08:30:34 PM  
CSB:

I was in a violent accident at 17 years old in a '67 Mustang equipped with only lap belts. While being alive was cool, spending the next 6 months learning to walk properly again was not.

//Not an argument for or against, just sharing the pain of lap belts.
///That's gonna leave a mark.
 
2013-07-09 08:30:44 PM  
Pfft.. Seatbelts kill more lives than they save..

deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-09 08:34:31 PM  
Some of the injuries are compression fractures which given the hard landing is no surprise, and not something you can pin on the seat belts. Also the injuries to ligaments aren't surprising given how the plane whipped around on the ground after impact.
 
2013-07-09 08:36:38 PM  
Man this airbag really stung my face. Somebody should do something.
 
2013-07-09 08:37:35 PM  

kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"


Which is why subby is a dumbass.
 
2013-07-09 08:38:07 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sgt Otter: kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"

BUT I'D RATHER BE THROWN CLEAR!!!

But then the fire trucks will run over you


I'd rather just not crash because of a pilot not knowing how to fly the dang thing.
/scratches another airline off the list.
//likes flying.
 
2013-07-09 08:38:59 PM  

buggychillerpits: Where were the people sitting that ended up with spinal injuries? Were they sitting in the rear, near where the bottom of the plane slammed into the seawall and broke the tail off?


...and then at the end of the ground loop essentially fell 30 feet out of the air?

Yeah, I'm betting that's where most of the spine injuries came from.
 
2013-07-09 08:39:09 PM  

RoyBatty: I guess this crash is more evidence for having the seats face the rear of the plane (but who would like to ride like that?) (how would that work on takeoff?)

[i.imgur.com image 524x634]


A long time ago I read an article about aft facing seating on buses and planes. Nice find!
 
2013-07-09 08:40:07 PM  
Subby's a Libertarian right?
 
2013-07-09 08:42:29 PM  

kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"


Or perhaps a third option you may have overlooked where you have a three point seatbelt, like you have in cars,and no one comes out with extensive and severe whiplash?
 
2013-07-09 08:43:55 PM  
Is broken vertebre preferable to getting hit with the fire truck on the tarmac?
 
2013-07-09 08:48:26 PM  

asmodeus224: kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"

Or perhaps a third option you may have overlooked where you have a three point seatbelt, like you have in cars,and no one comes out with extensive and severe whiplash?


If you read the article, I hope you haven't, then you'd know that it would likely have the opposite effect.

Passengers would have to wear neck braces like racecar drivers to avoid whiplash.
 
2013-07-09 08:49:59 PM  

asmodeus224: Or perhaps a third option you may have overlooked where you have a three point seatbelt, like you have in cars,and no one comes out with extensive and severe whiplash?


Or, you end up with much more severe whiplash because you are dealing with much higher speeds and instead of the whole body absorbing the whip, you only have the neck and head because you've immobilized the torso.  This is why they came up with the brace position.
 
2013-07-09 08:52:45 PM  
Plane crashes usually don't end well no matter what you do.
 
2013-07-09 08:54:36 PM  

namatad: The My Little Pony Killer: Alive with a hurt back is still alive.

alive with a crushed spine and never being able to walk again is still alive.



Says you, my living will is going to specify otherwise. Can't run? Don't want to live and be a burden for the rest of my life.
 
2013-07-09 08:55:26 PM  
Come to think of it, Brad Pitts life was saved by a seat belt in a terrible plane crash, so yeah it must be true!

i1.mirror.co.uk
 
2013-07-09 08:56:20 PM  
Would a 5 point harness be better?

There was a family in my old neighbourhood who were in an accident. The kids in the back who were only wearing lapbelts suffered varying degrees of spinal and intestinal damage.
 
2013-07-09 08:57:08 PM  

spawn73: asmodeus224: kingoomieiii: "Oh no I yanked my back out when I slammed against the seatbelt"

vs

"Oh no we're all bouncing around in the plane on impact, snapping limbs against each other because there are no seatbelts"

Or perhaps a third option you may have overlooked where you have a three point seatbelt, like you have in cars,and no one comes out with extensive and severe whiplash?

If you read the article, I hope you haven't, then you'd know that it would likely have the opposite effect.

Passengers would have to wear neck braces like racecar drivers to avoid whiplash.


It's been a long-time since I've been on a plane, but don't the flight attendants wear four-point seat belts and sit facing the back of the plane?

My own instinct is that a company like Volvo would be good at coming up with ideas for reducing fatalities. They have some sort of whiplash technology for cars. Maybe airbags (I think some airplanes already have them in first-class). I also think that having the trays and TVs where you're supposed to brace your head doesn't make sense.
 
2013-07-09 09:03:51 PM  
By all means submittard, please don't fasten your seat belt the next time your plan is going to crash.  Hell, might as well be consistent and leave it off while driving too.
 
2013-07-09 09:04:40 PM  
I'd like to know how many eye, face and forehead injuries from the farking marketing credit card scam machines they have in the farking head rests right at eye level. basically a ready to go shrapnel kit right in your face, just to get a few more bucks out of you.  fark those are the worst invention ever.   read a paperback fer gods sake
 
2013-07-09 09:09:48 PM  
They just need the insta-foam stuff from the cars in Demolition Man.
 
2013-07-09 09:09:56 PM  

RoyBatty: I guess this crash is more evidence for having the seats face the rear of the plane (but who would like to ride like that?) (how would that work on takeoff?)

[i.imgur.com image 524x634]


umm, these seat belts always look like they are recycled out of vintage cars that were forced to upgrade to shoulder strap belts.  just swap these relics out for over the shoulder and lap or, since you are in a farking airplane, install 5 point harnesses like a pilot has.  One more case of cheap farking quality so some corp can save a few bucks while risking lives. shiat !! two hundred billion is not enough this year !! we need to make 20 extra grand, cancel the seat belt upgrade again !
 
2013-07-09 09:11:57 PM  
Doctor: Asiana Flight 214 survivors have unusual pattern of spinal injuries

...unusual, because most people in plane crashes are USUALLY DEAD.
 
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