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2013-07-09 12:57:10 PM
Wait til they find out what they did to their coke
 
2013-07-09 12:58:11 PM
Duh.
 
2013-07-09 12:58:25 PM
Ancient Chinese secret.
 
2013-07-09 12:58:28 PM
i think we're done here.
 
2013-07-09 01:00:12 PM
Good fark those unamerican jackholes who just couldn't live without the slave labor and that sweet extra $1 in their wallet.
 
Ral
2013-07-09 01:00:50 PM
China does not protect property rights, intellectual or otherwise.  This should not surprise anyone.
 
2013-07-09 01:02:28 PM
Well, DUH.

You get what you paid for. Want cheap electronics? Prepare for knock-offs. Want cheap produce? Prepare for the occasional e-coli.
 
2013-07-09 01:02:44 PM

bluenovaman: Good fark those unamerican jackholes who just couldn't live without the slave labor and that sweet extra $1$100,000,000 in their wallet.

 
2013-07-09 01:03:20 PM
heathencritique.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-09 01:06:27 PM
First world problems.
 
2013-07-09 01:06:32 PM
I'm having trouble dredging up any sympathy here.
 
2013-07-09 01:07:36 PM
i176.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-09 01:07:37 PM

Ral: China does not protect property rights, intellectual or otherwise.  This should not surprise anyone.


This
They flat out tell you they are going to take the info as part of the deal to operate there. Stupid outrage is stupid.
 
2013-07-09 01:08:08 PM
Dear Companies,

If you want the patent enforcement that the US provides then you should locate your operations in the US. If you want the patent enforcement that China provides then you should locate your operations in China.

Choose wisely.
 
2013-07-09 01:09:35 PM

super_grass: Well, DUH.

You get what you paid for. Want cheap electronics? Prepare for knock-offs. Want cheap produce? Prepare for the occasional e-coli.


Want cheap pet food? Prepare for melanine poisoning. Want cheap cars? Be prepared for fatal 10 mph collisions. Want cheap tech support? Prepare to deal with someone who doesn't speak English.

These assholes get what they paid for. Apple is already seeing cheap knockoffs of the IPhone showing up on the streets of major Chinese cities and there is no recourse for that in any court in the world, as most Chinese politicians are more than happy to pad their incomes with their shares in the manufacturer's subcontractors, and look the other way when they set up another shadow company to make the knockoff products. Half the functionality, half the price, and no discernible difference in the product from a cosmetic standpoint. You don't even know you got hosed until you activate it.
 
2013-07-09 01:11:53 PM
yup, add another one to the no sympathy column.
 
2013-07-09 01:12:11 PM
What if  Maverick and Goose gave away patent secrets to the Chinese on rubber dog shiat?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-09 01:12:27 PM
Something about getting exactly what you pay for.
 
2013-07-09 01:13:31 PM
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
2013-07-09 01:14:52 PM
Reap get raped by what you sow
 
2013-07-09 01:15:53 PM

    My employer does business only in the US. In 2007 while setting up firewall rules on a new router, I turned on logging of all dropped packets so I could test my work. I found a surprising number of incoming connections and port scans. I geolocated the source IPs for a few hundred of them, and found most were in China or North Korea.

    I located a netblock list for China and NK and blackholed all of those IPs. There is a counter. 10-50k hits a day is normal over just 8 fixed IPs. Just wow.

 
2013-07-09 01:17:13 PM
Get a brain, Morans!
 
2013-07-09 01:17:44 PM
I remember my mum telling me that a distant relative had invented something (nail-gun where you can wear the compressor on your back, or some such thing) and she said his biggest challenge was finding manufactures in China because he had to find multiple manufacturers to fabricate the different parts.

According to my mum understanding: "You don't send all the plans to one manufacturer because they'll steal the plans and start manufacturing and selling on their own"

... though it was interesting.
 
2013-07-09 01:18:47 PM
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Wait you can't play unfair, that's what we're supposed to do to you! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
 
2013-07-09 01:20:25 PM
Well, I see the thread has covered my duhs and HA HAs!

Obvious tag is for me -- oh, and short-sighted, naive, POS corps who outsource to foreign nations notorious for stealing secrets.

Fail is for the last 4 generations of U.S. politicians who have made the middle class so dependent on low-cost wares that POS companies NEED to outsource to foreign nations notorious for stealing secrets.
 
HKW
2013-07-09 01:21:26 PM
Doesnt matter. As long as one man in this country cannot suck another mans dick without persecution all other issues are moot.

Amirite?
 
2013-07-09 01:21:41 PM

spamalope: My employer does business only in the US. In 2007 while setting up firewall rules on a new router, I turned on logging of all dropped packets so I could test my work. I found a surprising number of incoming connections and port scans. I geolocated the source IPs for a few hundred of them, and found most were in China or North Korea.    I located a netblock list for China and NK and blackholed all of those IPs. There is a counter. 10-50k hits a day is normal over just 8 fixed IPs. Just wow.


I don't understand a single thing you said, but I'm...sorry?
 
2013-07-09 01:21:47 PM
at least outrage is still made in the USA.
 
2013-07-09 01:22:58 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-09 01:22:59 PM

highendmighty: Fail is for the last 4 generations of U.S. politicians who have made the middle class so dependent on low-cost wares that POS companies NEED to outsource to foreign nations notorious for stealing secrets.


This! I don't expect anything form souless corporations, but I do expect our politicians to look out for our best interest.

/I know it's too much to ask.  :(
 
2013-07-09 01:23:23 PM
Outsourcing fails so often I'm surprised companies do it so often. Then again, they also fund Donald Trump, the man who has declared bankruptcy 3 times and lost millions of investor's dollars.
 
2013-07-09 01:23:27 PM
Aetna is getting rid of about a couple hundred tech support guys in the next couple weeks. Outsourcing to Xerox, who will likely outsource to China. A few friends of mine are getting forced to go to work for Xerox, taking pay cuts, loss of benefits, etc., and if they say "no" to going over, the employment is seen as willful termination, and they get no severance and can't file for unemployment.

Working for a global company with stockholders and expecting a stable career isn't a wise choice, IMO, as long as you are not an executive of the company. No golden parachute for you!
 
2013-07-09 01:24:16 PM

what_now: spamalope: My employer does business only in the US. In 2007 while setting up firewall rules on a new router, I turned on logging of all dropped packets so I could test my work. I found a surprising number of incoming connections and port scans. I geolocated the source IPs for a few hundred of them, and found most were in China or North Korea.    I located a netblock list for China and NK and blackholed all of those IPs. There is a counter. 10-50k hits a day is normal over just 8 fixed IPs. Just wow.

I don't understand a single thing you said, but I'm...sorry?


He's trying to say that 50+ aren't reading your blog.... your blog still sucks
 
2013-07-09 01:27:11 PM

what_now: spamalope: My employer does business only in the US. In 2007 while setting up firewall rules on a new router, I turned on logging of all dropped packets so I could test my work. I found a surprising number of incoming connections and port scans. I geolocated the source IPs for a few hundred of them, and found most were in China or North Korea.    I located a netblock list for China and NK and blackholed all of those IPs. There is a counter. 10-50k hits a day is normal over just 8 fixed IPs. Just wow.

I don't understand a single thing you said, but I'm...sorry?


He's talking about 10,000 to 50,000 daily attempts to access his network by Chinese and NK people who have absolutely no business doing so.  Welcome to global communications.
 
2013-07-09 01:27:16 PM

spamalope: My employer does business only in the US. In 2007 while setting up firewall rules on a new router, I turned on logging of all dropped packets so I could test my work. I found a surprising number of incoming connections and port scans. I geolocated the source IPs for a few hundred of them, and found most were in China or North Korea.    I located a netblock list for China and NK and blackholed all of those IPs. There is a counter. 10-50k hits a day is normal over just 8 fixed IPs. Just wow.


You know that good hackers aren't going to use the IP their actually located at do you?...
Proxies. Learn about em.
 
2013-07-09 01:28:19 PM

boarch: spamalope: My employer does business only in the US. In 2007 while setting up firewall rules on a new router, I turned on logging of all dropped packets so I could test my work. I found a surprising number of incoming connections and port scans. I geolocated the source IPs for a few hundred of them, and found most were in China or North Korea.    I located a netblock list for China and NK and blackholed all of those IPs. There is a counter. 10-50k hits a day is normal over just 8 fixed IPs. Just wow.

You know that good hackers aren't going to use the IP their actually located at do you?...
Proxies. Learn about em.


Srsly.  I'm behind 7 proxies right now.
 
2013-07-09 01:30:12 PM
image.spreadshirt.com
 
2013-07-09 01:30:17 PM

RoxtarRyan: Aetna is getting rid of about a couple hundred tech support guys in the next couple weeks. Outsourcing to Xerox, who will likely outsource to China. A few friends of mine are getting forced to go to work for Xerox, taking pay cuts, loss of benefits, etc., and if they say "no" to going over, the employment is seen as willful termination, and they get no severance and can't file for unemployment.

Working for a global company with stockholders and expecting a stable career isn't a wise choice, IMO, as long as you are not an executive of the company. No golden parachute for you!


So go and DO NOTHING.  Don't show up at work there.  Take a vacation.  Get fired and collect.

The only thing taken is the severance, and if the company is being run like that it won't amount to anything anyways.
 
2013-07-09 01:32:42 PM
Maybe don't put trade secrets on computers hooked up to the internet? Or encrypt them if you do. Modern encryption is unbreakable (as long as you use decent passwords).
 
2013-07-09 01:33:15 PM

Deathfrogg: super_grass: Well, DUH.

You get what you paid for. Want cheap electronics? Prepare for knock-offs. Want cheap produce? Prepare for the occasional e-coli.

Want cheap pet food? Prepare for melanine poisoning. Want cheap cars? Be prepared for fatal 10 mph collisions. Want cheap tech support? Prepare to deal with someone who doesn't speak English.

These assholes get what they paid for. Apple is already seeing cheap knockoffs of the IPhone showing up on the streets of major Chinese cities and there is no recourse for that in any court in the world, as most Chinese politicians are more than happy to pad their incomes with their shares in the manufacturer's subcontractors, and look the other way when they set up another shadow company to make the knockoff products. Half the functionality, half the price, and no discernible difference in the product from a cosmetic standpoint. You don't even know you got hosed until you activate it.


And it's not just the U.S. they're stealing from but Japan too. I'm HAM and for years radios for VHF/UHF have been pretty pricey in the hundreds of dollars. But now companies like Baofeng, KST, Wuoxon, TYT - all Chinese are selling them for $30. I've got a KST V6 that only does 220MHz. Perfect little radio.

But more to the point, in the case of the latter, TYT, they DIRECTLY copy Yaesu gear in their mobile rigs.
 
2013-07-09 01:35:33 PM

RoxtarRyan: Aetna is getting rid of about a couple hundred tech support guys in the next couple weeks. Outsourcing to Xerox, who will likely outsource to China. A few friends of mine are getting forced to go to work for Xerox, taking pay cuts, loss of benefits, etc., and if they say "no" to going over, the employment is seen as willful termination, and they get no severance and can't file for unemployment.

Working for a global company with stockholders and expecting a stable career isn't a wise choice, IMO, as long as you are not an executive of the company. No golden parachute for you!


Help desk guys or guys in the satellite offices?     Of course their "benefits" as they were....weren't.
 
2013-07-09 01:38:05 PM

Franko: According to my mum understanding: "You don't send all the plans to one manufacturer because they'll steal the plans and start manufacturing and selling on their own"


They don't need the plans. They can simply buy the device and reverse engineer it. The software is always the biggest challenge when trying to create a knock off device though. As long as companies continue to innovate, which they must do to compete, they'll always be two years ahead of any copied product.

This is about cyber theft though and that's where you run into a problem if your code gets stolen. They can copy your device any day but now they have the software that works with it and can sell it for pennies on the dollar and still profit.
 
2013-07-09 01:39:03 PM

manimal2878: Duh.


This.
 
2013-07-09 01:39:45 PM
And these un-American, profit-driven, "there is no job in America that's a God-given right anymore" jerkweeds NOW expect the farked over American people and the "the goverment that taxes us too much" to do something about that?

Go fark yourselves.  You should have seen this coming and don't ask for taxpayers to have the government back your ass up.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-09 01:40:42 PM
hahahahaha

corporate America, deranged whiners.
 
2013-07-09 01:41:32 PM
RoxtarRyan:   Aetna is getting rid of about a couple hundred tech support guys in the next couple weeks. Outsourcing to Xerox, who will likely outsource to China. A few friends of mine are getting forced to go to work for Xerox, taking pay cuts, loss of benefits, etc., and if they say "no" to going over, the employment is seen as willful termination, and they get no severance and can't file for unemployment.


Outsource tech support to China?  Gee, that's a great idea.  A country with either non-existent or fairly abysmal customer service.

Manufacturing I get.  Putting your tech support there?  Oh boy, good luck with all of that.
 
2013-07-09 01:43:05 PM
WMAO...
 
2013-07-09 01:44:26 PM
Clinton's lasting contribution to America.
 
2013-07-09 01:44:37 PM

Artemus_Hackwell: Help desk guys or guys in the satellite offices? Of course their "benefits" as they were....weren't.


Well, Aetna has quite a few in-house IT guys, and currently some outsourced ones, but even the current outsourced ones are getting boned. Loss of pay, benefits (yeah, the company they work for has them! Go figure.), and they will have to commute an extra hour to work if they want to keep their jobs.
 
2013-07-09 01:49:50 PM

spamalope: My employer does business only in the US. In 2007 while setting up firewall rules on a new router, I turned on logging of all dropped packets so I could test my work. I found a surprising number of incoming connections and port scans. I geolocated the source IPs for a few hundred of them, and found most were in China or North Korea.    I located a netblock list for China and NK and blackholed all of those IPs. There is a counter. 10-50k hits a day is normal over just 8 fixed IPs. Just wow.


Your numbers sound about right based on my personal experience.  I always recommend businesses block China, Korea (both of them), and Russia if they have not business need to allow them access.
 
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