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2013-07-09 01:08:29 PM  
Doctors ignored a nurse's observations indicating Burns was not dead and her condition was improving.

Responding "She'll be stone dead in a moment."
 
2013-07-09 01:21:28 PM  
Pfft. She wouldn't let them have her organs, but then committed suicide 2 years later. Classic dog-in-the-manger behavior.
 
2013-07-09 01:24:55 PM  
St. Joseph's was fined $6,000 for the Burns case


Well, that probably took them 4 whole minutes to recoup.
 
2013-07-09 01:51:51 PM  

Sybarite: Doctors ignored a nurse's observations indicating Burns was not dead and her condition was improving.

Responding "She'll be stone dead in a moment."


www.donttellmetheending.com
 
2013-07-09 01:53:00 PM  
Good timing!
 
2013-07-09 01:54:38 PM  

Sybarite: Doctors ignored a nurse's observations indicating Burns was not dead and her condition was improving.

Responding "She'll be stone dead in a moment."


Do you know how much money in transplants she cost them.
 
2013-07-09 01:54:42 PM  

blatz514: Sybarite: Doctors ignored a nurse's observations indicating Burns was not dead and her condition was improving.

Responding "She'll be stone dead in a moment."

[www.donttellmetheending.com image 800x441]


I'M HAPPYYYYYYYY!!!
 
2013-07-09 01:54:59 PM  
www.visualphotos.com
Um - good morning.
 
2013-07-09 01:55:22 PM  
There are a lot of Monty Python and Princess Bride jokes to be made here.
 
2013-07-09 01:55:44 PM  
/me RTFA. What. The. fark.

The 41-year-old North Syracuse resident recovered from her overdose of Xanax, Benadryl and a muscle relaxant, but she committed suicide in 2011, according to her mother, Lucille Kuss.

So basically, she took the EXACT COMBINATION OF DRUGS THAT CONTRAINDICATES A BRAIN DEATH STUDY and they still did one?
 
2013-07-09 01:57:41 PM  
My updated rules of hospitalization:

1) bring a sharpie
2) demand 3rd party acknowledgement that, if things go south, I'm really dead
3) request a Weekend at Bernie's type adventure just to make sure
 
2013-07-09 01:58:26 PM  
www.theblindcard.com

.. OK, just breathe deeply and count back fr...uh ..*conk*

 
2013-07-09 02:00:42 PM  
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"It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."

"What's that?"

"Go through his clothes and look for loose change."
 
2013-07-09 02:00:48 PM  
I'd like to hear more information on this.  Most importantly how much time they waited prior to making the determination of brain death, if she had any concomitant hepatic or renal dysfunction that may have precluded the clearing of those substances, and the nature of the brain death study.  If they did an apnea test, then that's just plain stupid.  Lots of information not here, though.
 
2013-07-09 02:04:02 PM  
You'd think I'd be most happy about moving away from the snow, but really, the unbelievably poor medical care in upstate NY was tops on my list.
 
2013-07-09 02:06:41 PM  

Kyosuke: St. Joseph's was fined $6,000 for the Burns case

Well, that probably took them 4 whole minutes to recoup.


Probably walked over to the counter and paid them from the petty cash box.
 
GBB
2013-07-09 02:07:45 PM  
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GBB
2013-07-09 02:08:30 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Kyosuke: St. Joseph's was fined $6,000 for the Burns case

Well, that probably took them 4 whole minutes to recoup.

Probably walked over to the counter and paid them from the petty cash box.


2 band-aids and 4 tylonol
 
2013-07-09 02:14:00 PM  

DrMcNinja: I'd like to hear more information on this.  Most importantly how much time they waited prior to making the determination of brain death, if she had any concomitant hepatic or renal dysfunction that may have precluded the clearing of those substances, and the nature of the brain death study.  If they did an apnea test, then that's just plain stupid.  Lots of information not here, though.


They said, "Hey You!" loudly 3 times. That is sufficient in most states. Some states require a rib poke to be sure. California has the most stringent requirements by adding the foot tickle. Only the dead can resist the foot tickle.
Happy to clarify.
 
2013-07-09 02:24:57 PM  
"Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

thepioneerwoman.com
 
2013-07-09 02:27:07 PM  
I've had people remove my organs, and it hasn't affected my quality of life, but the church that i minister at sure is a lot quieter!

/not really a minister
 
2013-07-09 02:28:18 PM  
Mods have been knows to get squeamish about blood-n-guts, so  NSFW? (new window)
 
2013-07-09 02:30:51 PM  

GBB: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Kyosuke: St. Joseph's was fined $6,000 for the Burns case

Well, that probably took them 4 whole minutes to recoup.

Probably walked over to the counter and paid them from the petty cash box.

2 band-aids and 4 tylonol



I giggled.  Very nice.
 
2013-07-09 02:51:03 PM  
This happens far more frequently than the hospitals will ever let on.


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2013-07-09 03:04:53 PM  
This is exactly why I am not an organ donor. When my life becomes more valuable than my parts then I'll consider being a donor.
 
2013-07-09 03:12:44 PM  

thewitchking: This is exactly why I am not an organ donor. When my life becomes more valuable than my parts then I'll consider being a donor.


FYI you should also be extremely careful about having life insurance.
 
2013-07-09 03:17:08 PM  

DrMcNinja: I'd like to hear more information on this.  Most importantly how much time they waited prior to making the determination of brain death, if she had any concomitant hepatic or renal dysfunction that may have precluded the clearing of those substances, and the nature of the brain death study.  If they did an apnea test, then that's just plain stupid.  Lots of information not here, though.


This article has more details:  http://www.inquisitr.com/837882/organ-donation-brain-dead-patient-wak e s/
 
2013-07-09 03:18:59 PM  
So, this happened in 2009? And she ended up killing herself in 2011... news travels fast in the information age.
 
Ant
2013-07-09 03:28:32 PM  
That's socialized medicine for you...
 
2013-07-09 03:46:38 PM  
Happens more often than is publicized. This happened to someone I know just a couple years. Had an aneurysm while running, declared brain dead, prepping for organ harvest when he woke up. He's fine now and back running.
 
2013-07-09 03:50:55 PM  
What I ALSO love is... "we almost harvest your organs accidentally, because you nearly died from... A DRUG OVERDOSE. Hmm. How did that happen? Were you trying to kill yourself? OK. All better. You can go home and finish the job."

St. Joseph's should have sent her a brochure on how to do a better job while keeping the integrity of her organs intact... maybe locking herself in a freezer or something.
 
2013-07-09 04:44:05 PM  
So the nurses knew... why the hell weren't they screaming up and down or calling the police if the doctors were proceeding anyway? Or am I missing something in my faux outrage?


/hard to be outraged anymore when you expect this kind of crap on a daily basis
//doctors should lose their licenses
 
2013-07-09 04:49:30 PM  
I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.
 
2013-07-09 05:04:53 PM  

hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.


When I got my motorcycle I opted out because of the constant organ donor comments. I expect health care workers to try to save my life before considering giving my parts away thanks.

If I'm not completely brain-dead, my organs should stay inside me. If my organs are removed by an accident or injury and you can't put them back and reconnect... well put them in my pocket.
 
2013-07-09 05:10:25 PM  

hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.


See, that's where socialized medicine works better.  If they'd save the dying young person, that's only 1 medical bill.  If they do the organ donation, they have to pay for, I dunno ,10 people, plus lifelong medicine and care.  Economics, my friend.

/Canadian
//Wife received life saving liver
///sign your damn card, this isn't going to happen to you.
 
2013-07-09 05:31:48 PM  

hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.


Your friends are assholes.
 
2013-07-09 05:36:46 PM  

hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.


This is a major reason I'm not a donor.  Though, my reasoning is based more on paranoia and urban legend than your much more tangible conversation. Plus, what if the Egyptians were right?  I don't want to get to the afterlife and not have all my meat.
 
2013-07-09 05:38:21 PM  

The_Fuzz: hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.

See, that's where socialized medicine works better.  If they'd save the dying young person, that's only 1 medical bill.  If they do the organ donation, they have to pay for, I dunno ,10 people, plus lifelong medicine and care.  Economics, my friend.

/Canadian
//Wife received life saving liver
///sign your damn card, this isn't going to happen to you.


No. I am on the bone marrow registry and I give blood faithfully the four times a year they let you. I give enough of me away. My family has my after care instructions that says I must be 100% dead with no chance of saving me before they sign any organ donation card. The doctor doesn't know that though, he just sees I'm not a donor and will do his best which is all I want.
 
2013-07-09 05:47:15 PM  

The_Fuzz: hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.

See, that's where socialized medicine works better.  If they'd save the dying young person, that's only 1 medical bill.  If they do the organ donation, they have to pay for, I dunno ,10 people, plus lifelong medicine and care.  Economics, my friend.

/Canadian
//Wife received life saving liver
///sign your damn card, this isn't going to happen to you.



Except it's more likely to happen when the card is signed in this country which doesn't have socialized medicine. 1 patient is 1 revenue source, 10 patients is 10 revenue sources. Economics, indeed.

Are you willing to back up your declaration that it isn't going to happen with a contract? If it does happen, you pay my next of kin a few million and kill the doctors that stole my organs? You do that, I'll sign the card. And no, we aren't going to talk about their insurance covering the malpractice because this is YOUR guarantee... something doctors don't/won't do because even they know shiat happens. If the doctors know stuff gets farked up, how can you really say it won't happen to anyone else with such absolutes? Oh, that's right... it's just an appeal to emotion because your wife had a transplant.

Like others have pointed out it happens quite a bit.

/U.S. Citizen
//still not signing my damn card, because it CAN happen to me
///glad your wife got what she needed without further cost (hopefully) to someone else
 
2013-07-09 05:47:43 PM  

The_Fuzz: ///sign your damn card, this isn't going to happen to you.


If you can't trust random anecdotes from the internet, what can you trust?
 
2013-07-09 05:50:51 PM  

hailin: The_Fuzz: hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.

See, that's where socialized medicine works better.  If they'd save the dying young person, that's only 1 medical bill.  If they do the organ donation, they have to pay for, I dunno ,10 people, plus lifelong medicine and care.  Economics, my friend.

/Canadian
//Wife received life saving liver
///sign your damn card, this isn't going to happen to you.

No. I am on the bone marrow registry and I give blood faithfully the four times a year they let you. I give enough of me away. My family has my after care instructions that says I must be 100% dead with no chance of saving me before they sign any organ donation card. The doctor doesn't know that though, he just sees I'm not a donor and will do his best which is all I want.


My family has the same instructions. Everything is written and notarized and kept in the family safe to be used at their discretion once we're at that point. Until then the doctor proceeds like I'm not giving away free parts on clearance because he deliberately dents the can.
 
2013-07-09 06:11:16 PM  
This can turn out to be quite a conundrum. What if a recipient of an organ somehow met their demise in a car accident or whatever, and they themselves were organ donors? It is possible the the 2nd recipient of the organ has had 2 previous owners. Is there a Car Fax to check this kind of stuff?
 
2013-07-09 06:29:31 PM  
Farkups like this is just another reason why when I die I'm taking all of me to the grave.  Unless I donate some blood to the pavement.  That they can have.
 
2013-07-09 06:34:35 PM  
She was given her last chance and threw it away.  Very sad.
 
2013-07-09 07:00:03 PM  

Jument: hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.

Your friends are assholes.


Seriously... what the hell.  I am hoping their medical school experiences and residency changed their opinions.  If not, they should not be practicing.  If any of my students ever shared that kind of sentiment I'd probably fail them on the spot, or at least strongly encourage them to go into pathology or radiology.
 
2013-07-09 07:09:03 PM  

rev. dave: She was given her last chance and threw it away.  Very sad.


Yes this was very sad.  It would have been such a sappy story if after battling depression and seeking to kill herself that this incident turned her life around, she wanted to live, got the right treatment for her depression, and lived happily ever after, etc.  Instead, 2 years later suffering from a debilitating depression, she tried even harder to kill herself and succeeded that time.

The story hit home for me because I suffer from depression and a couple of years ago, I had 2 overdoses of prescription medications within a couple of months of each other; the second one being a very serious one which I really wanted to die and I landed in the ICU for a couple of weeks.  Unlike this woman, I was ultimately glad I survived, and my depression is under control  and  I have not made any other attempts.  Life is fairly good,  but won't go as far as saying that I'm "living happily ever after..."
 
2013-07-09 07:26:50 PM  
Surely this could have been prevented with lower malpractice insurance premiums and tort reform.
 
2013-07-09 08:01:12 PM  

Honest Bender: hailin: I had several medical students as friends in college. One night after their ethics class lecture we were drinking and talking about organ harvesting vs. doing everything possible to save a life. They all agreed if the person was young, otherwise healthy, and an organ donor they wouldn't try very hard to save them (just enough to not get sued) because their organs could be used to save so many others...you know sacrifice one life for the greater good. The next day I went to the DMV and got a new driver's license opting out of organ donation.

This is a major reason I'm not a donor.  Though, my reasoning is based more on paranoia and urban legend than your much more tangible conversation. Plus, what if the Egyptians were right?  I don't want to get to the afterlife and not have all my meat.


The Egyptians would actually remove nearly all your organs before mummification and put them in special organ jars which would then be placed near your mummified corpse.
 
2013-07-09 09:49:37 PM  
Kind of a local here....wonder if, in 2009, St. Joe's  was still locking suicide attempts in the pysch ward.  A 2 week visit there would certainly drive anyone over the edge, even if they went in normal. A very scary, poorly run situation. Oh, wait, after this story, I am surprised?  Silly me.
 
2013-07-09 11:49:49 PM  
This was the headline in Sunday's local paper. Aside from afterlife wonderings, this is exactly the reason why I'm not an organ donor. It makes me wonder why
a) everyone involved isn't losing their medical licenses
b) why at least the doctors aren't being charged with attempted murder, and
c) What was so special about this one they were so thrilled to hasten her death? What was she, AB or O neg?
 
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