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(LA Times)   Some men you just can't reach, 30,000 California Prisoners refuse meals in apparent hunger strike against policies of indefinite isolation   (latimes.com) divider line 189
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2013-07-09 11:01:59 AM
There are plenty of poor people who would like that food. Screw them give them jute ball for the next week and give the regular food to shelters for the homeless.
 
2013-07-09 11:09:04 AM
Seems like a reasonable cause to strike about.
 
2013-07-09 11:09:45 AM
It's sickening how quickly people go to "yeah, let's just exterminate 30,000" people.
 
2013-07-09 11:18:38 AM
I don't think most people understand how psychologically damaging isolation can be.  It really should be considered a form of torture.
 
2013-07-09 11:29:58 AM

feckingmorons: There are plenty of poor people who would like that food.


Are they locked up in prison?
 
2013-07-09 11:30:45 AM
Anybody who says they should be left to die is only revealing themselves to be lower than G.W.

/think about it
 
2013-07-09 11:36:44 AM
Hopefully they can get their minds right, if not give the food to the homeless.
 
2013-07-09 11:40:23 AM

feckingmorons: There are plenty of poor people who would like that food. Screw them give them jute ball for the next week and give the regular food to shelters for the homeless.


Yes, how *dare* those...I guess, non-humans...I mean, that's what they are, right? Worthiness pieces of shiat (the vast majority in prison for being on the losing side of the drug war, though yes there will be quite a few violent offenders as well, but they should have been drawn and quartered within minutes of being found guilty anyway) who should be treated with more contempt than you would treat a rabid dog. Right?...but I digress. How dare they protest their treatment! They should count themselves lucky they're not in [insert foreign prison system here, from a country that doesn't claim to hold itself to a higher standard than the rest of the world]! Even if we let them out, they'll just return to crime anyway! And not at all because they'll have become more anti-social in prison because of how they're treated in prison. No sirree!

Lock 'em up, throw away the key, and forget they ever existed! That'll teach 'em to smoke a joint!
 
2013-07-09 11:44:37 AM
California's solitary confinement policy is barbaric and inhuman. They have put people in solitary for "gang connections" based on a prisoner reading a book written by a former gang leader. One guy got declared a "gang member" and was thrown in solitary based off of a famous poem he had written in his notebook.

Solitary destroys people's sense of self and can have profound and damaging effects if prolonged for longer than a week or so. People go crazy in solitary, shockingly fast.

I stand with these prisoners. I'd rather be executed than spend years in solitary. Scalia and the conservative bloc of the Supreme Court may have made the "cruel and unusual" part of the Eight Amendment a nullity, but we need to work to fix a broken and inhuman system that makes us perpetrate worse crimes against prisoners than what they committed to get them in prison in the first place.
 
2013-07-09 11:53:53 AM
Here are some articles on how bad the policies are:
LA Times article pointing out that some prisoners spend 10 years in solitary
Huffpost write up of an Amnesty Int'l report

One great quote from the second article:
"The Amnesty International report also concluded that conditions at the two prisons were heinous enough to constitute torture. Investigators, who had rare access to the solitary units, found high rates of suicide and severe psychological distress, eye disease from lack of sunlight, and other maladies caused by long-term isolation."
 
2013-07-09 11:56:06 AM
 
2013-07-09 12:01:20 PM
Sounds like a good time to have rib day.  No one will strike on rib day.
 
2013-07-09 12:11:39 PM

Honest Bender: I don't think most people understand how psychologically damaging isolation can be.  It really should be considered a form of torture.


It is a form of torture, but it's more cost-effective than actually treating the mentally ill.
 
2013-07-09 12:15:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Honest Bender: I don't think most people understand how psychologically damaging isolation can be.  It really should be considered a form of torture.

It is a form of torture, but it's more cost-effective than actually treating the mentally ill.


Not really. It costs something like $30,000 a year to house a prisoner.

But treating people is bleeding heart socialism, and we can't have that. It's better to just lock them away, because that's what Jesus would do.
 
2013-07-09 12:46:28 PM
So they aren't moving the Isotopes?

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/Solitary is torture
 
2013-07-09 01:00:43 PM

basemetal: Sounds like a good time to have rib day.  No one will strike on rib day.


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Egg day is a different matter.
 
2013-07-09 01:01:42 PM
I understand putting someone who is pure evil in solitary, but most of these guys don't deserve that. Hardly anyone ever deserves this sort of treatment. But what do I know.
 
2013-07-09 01:05:42 PM
Long term solitary confinement is cruel and inhumane. It is torture.

If you don't believe me, ask notorious bleeding heart liberal George Will:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765623034/Solitary-confinement-in -U S-prisons-is-inhumane-and-torturous.html?pg=all
 
2013-07-09 01:10:59 PM
It's torture and should not be engaged in by a civilized society.
 
2013-07-09 01:18:51 PM
What we have here is failure to allow them to communicate.
 
2013-07-09 01:24:43 PM
There are plenty of stressed out parents who would like that solitary confinement.
 
2013-07-09 01:29:18 PM
Letting them die is just giving them the freedom of choice. Why do you hate freedom?
 
2013-07-09 01:29:37 PM

toraque: basemetal: Sounds like a good time to have rib day.  No one will strike on rib day.

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Egg day is a different matter.


I can eat 50 in an hour

/shakin' it, boss!
 
2013-07-09 01:30:53 PM
It inflicts suffering on prisoners, which I believe is the sole purpose of the rehabilitation system.

So I'm okay with that. Next up, fill the sprinklers with kerosine and light the whole joint up if anyone demands "legal council" or brings up "the Eighth Amendment".
 
2013-07-09 01:30:57 PM
well, bye.
 
2013-07-09 01:31:40 PM
Poor babies; prisons aren't supposed to be nice places.
 
2013-07-09 01:32:08 PM
Simple.....Don't Do SHIAT that will send you to PRISON!!!

/
stupid people problems.
 
2013-07-09 01:32:12 PM
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2013-07-09 01:32:22 PM
What's your dirt doing in Boss Kane's ditch?
 
2013-07-09 01:32:24 PM
Isolation is not hard if you have Mozart helping you go through it...
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2013-07-09 01:33:07 PM
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2013-07-09 01:33:31 PM
My thoughts:

1.) Solitary confinement is cruel, if not unusual.  We are social creatures.  They should have some human contact, even if closely monitored or only with others prison.  This does not mean they should have physical contact but they should have opportunity to communicate.  This should be as basic of a human right as food and water.

2.) Aside from that I don't see that they have the right to demand anything, including contact with the outside world.  It is prison.  It is not a daycare.

3.) This is a self-correcting problem with enough patience.
 
2013-07-09 01:35:13 PM
It could be that prisoners are protesting conditions in solitary.

Or it could be that this is the first whole day Ramadan and these "hunger strikers" are simply observing their religion. Give them food after sundown and see how it goes.

/Ramadan mubarak to all Farkers of the Islamic faith
//Not a Muslim
 
2013-07-09 01:35:20 PM
Aarontology:
Not really. It costs something like $30,000 a year to house a prisoner.

But treating people is bleeding heart socialism, and we can't have that. It's better to just lock them away, because that's what Jesus would do.


This. Money is only a small part of the problem. The bigger issue is that there are a lot of people who simply want the "guilty" to suffer and there are plenty of politicians willing to pander to these people.
 
2013-07-09 01:37:04 PM
Aarontology: "treating people is bleeding heart socialism, and we can't have that."

Of course not. If you treat someone they might just get well and re-integrate with society. And then you're down 30k on next year's budget.
With short-sighted moves like that you'll never sell the proposal for the new wing or land that regional administration promotion.
 
2013-07-09 01:38:11 PM
They want a five-year limit on such isolation. They also seek education and rehabilitation programs and the right to make monthly phone calls.

And I want a nymphomaniac who owns a Ferrari dealership. But it's an imperfect world and we don't always get what we want. Especially if you're a convicted gang leader who is continuing to make life miserable for people outside the prison.
 
2013-07-09 01:38:16 PM

ChipNASA: Simple.....Don't Do SHIAT that will send you to PRISON!!!

/stupid people problems.


Ironically, the only guy I know who's done time in a CA prison was actually, factually innocent of what he was in for.

The appeals process would've taken longer than the adjusted sentence.

Can't give ya more details, privileged.

Let's just say that quotas + police gang units + retarded probation officials = bad idea.

On the order of, no joking, "Hawaiians are white supremacists" retarded.
 
2013-07-09 01:38:33 PM
you know,  given that prisoners have almost no ability to protest the conditions they are thrown in, I have to applaud them for finding some way to make their opinions known to the rest of the world.  Not everyone in prison is a felon (and thus looses some of their constitutional rights) but are people who are going to be joining the rest of society in the near future.  Their opinions are experiences are important if this country is every going to get over the travisty of the drug war and start treating it's citizens with respect.

/I know...never going to happen
//and if you dont think that indefinate solitary confinement is wrong, read up on the Angola Three
 
2013-07-09 01:39:03 PM
Takin' it off here boss.

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2013-07-09 01:39:26 PM
ChipNASA: "Simple.....Don't Do SHIAT that will send you to PRISON!!!"

Sounds like someone hasn't read Three Felonies a Day.
 
2013-07-09 01:39:35 PM
Why don't we spend $10,000 on preschool and after school care for kids so we don't spend $30,000-$60,000/year for putting them in prison?
 
2013-07-09 01:40:02 PM
Feeding the prisoners just got cheaper.
 
2013-07-09 01:40:22 PM

NutWrench: And I want a nymphomaniac who owns a Ferrari dealership. But it's an imperfect world and we don't always get what we want


I'm your huckleberry.
 
2013-07-09 01:40:43 PM

abfalter: It is prison. It is not a daycare.


Actually it IS a daycare. The state is responsible for the well being of the prisoners. If a prisoner has a cavity, the prison has to take them to the dentist. There have to be escape plans in place in case of a fire, etc...
 
2013-07-09 01:41:18 PM
someone got a hold of a bootleg Iron Maiden album on the inside. And thats when it all began........
 
2013-07-09 01:42:07 PM
Hopefully they take this to the next level of protest-by-self-harm and start lighting themselves on fire.
 
2013-07-09 01:42:28 PM

KingKauff: What's your dirt doing in Boss Kane's ditch?


I don't know, boss.
 
2013-07-09 01:44:03 PM

ChipNASA: Simple.....Don't Do SHIAT that will send you to PRISON!!!

/stupid people problems.


These days, it's hard to determine what won't get you sent to prison.  The laws governing criminal behavior are expanding so fast, and affecting every strata (although poor people more, due to lack of legal representation).  A man in a Fark article recently was charged with "injuring a fence".  Wait till they lower the DUI limit to .05 (despite the fact that lowering it from .10 to .08 caused absolutely no reduction in DUI deaths).
 
2013-07-09 01:44:07 PM
Just think how much in tax dollars they'll save.
 
2013-07-09 01:44:53 PM
Another solution is to order up a ton of pizzas, open them up outside the cells and put fans in front of them. Fill that place with the smell of pizza and a hunger strike becomes imposibble to maintain.
 
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