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(The Atlantic Wire)   Orson Scott Card adresses efforts to boycott "Ender's Game" because of the author's outspoken opposition to gay marriage. Short version: You godless heathens and filthy sodomites won, now stop oppressing me   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 53
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2013-07-09 11:48:24 AM  
7 votes:
I saw this the other day, seems relevant:

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2013-07-09 12:12:13 PM  
6 votes:

Strayha04: Silly_Sot: Why is it 100% moral, perfect, and humane to boycott a product because someone involved in it has conservative views (Ender's Game) but stupid and intolerant to boycott a product because someone involved in it has liberal views (Dixie Chicks records)?

Let me guess, it's just another example of dogmatic hypocrisy.

^This.

I'm not a fan of most boycotting these days because it seems to be fruitless. If you boycott Chick-fil-a because they're anti-gay, than that part of America that thinks being gay is icky is just going to boycott you right back and their sales are going to sky rocket.


...What do you think the word boycott means?

No, other than what OSC call his bed.
2013-07-09 06:24:44 PM  
4 votes:
I have a property where the water table is very deep and I need to have a well dug. I would like to hire BojanglesPaladin for this task because I have never seen someone dig a hole so deep and so fast before.
2013-07-09 05:41:50 PM  
3 votes:

praymantis: I find Mike Chewbacca so annoying I am going to go to Papa John's and buy a pizza.


So you think eating shiatty pizza prepared by people without health insurance is going to hurt ME? Son, I don't think you thought your cunning plan through all the way.
2013-07-09 10:54:49 AM  
3 votes:
Meh, he didn't shove his anti-gay stuff in the book that I recall, did he?

Now if you really want to fark with the anti-gay people, they should turn The Forever War into a movie =)
2013-07-09 07:53:19 PM  
2 votes:

xalres: Latinwolf: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: bukijin: I loved the book when I was a kid. Didn't try and re-read it since then.

So I have to first politically vet every author, filmmaker, actor, artist and entertainer before I know if I can enjoy their art ??

Nah, but when you find out an artist is a mega-douchenozzle, you'll probably find that their art seems to lose its attraction.

More so when they are members of and / or supporting groups that try to take rights away from other people. Then it goes pass just having a personal opinion.

And this point is what certain people in this thread are...well I can only call it willfully ignoring because it's been stated and restated in big, bold letters over and over. Notice that none of them have addressed this point and instead have stuck to arguing with straw men that are dumping on OSC and whatever other people/businesses we're talking about because they have differing opinions.


There's so many strawmen being dumped in this thread, Christopher Lee and a bunch of druids are going to set it on fire to insure a good harvest.
2013-07-09 05:56:21 PM  
2 votes:
BojanglesPaladin: ....Honestly, I think some of you are just confused because you think I'm somehow in OSC "corner", which I have made every effort to make clear I am not....

Probably because anyone familiar with the history of your posts figures you agree with Card 100%. I mean, if you're going to DERPDERPDERP 99.99% of the time, people figure it's really 100%.
2013-07-09 01:31:25 PM  
2 votes:
The Enemy's Gay Is Down!


/what?
//gate, dammit. gate.
///stupid farkheads that can't enunciate properly
2013-07-09 01:17:21 PM  
2 votes:

Serious Black: This is Alan Turing. He is widely known as one of the fathers of the reprogrammable computer. He broke the Enigma cipher that allowed the Allies to hack into the Nazis' communcations and helped win World War II. He was chemically castrated because he was gay, and he later committed suicide, likely because of extreme intimidation. If you want to boycott anything even remotely pro-gay, you must sever yourself from modern society and join a neo-Nazi group. Period.


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2013-07-09 01:04:50 PM  
2 votes:
You mean the juvenile masturbatory power-trip fascism that is so much (but not all!) of science fiction is written by juvenile  masturbating, power-tripping fascists?

I am stunned.
2013-07-09 12:28:43 PM  
2 votes:

robohobo: Puddleglum is one of my favorite characters. I annoy the ever-loving SHIAT out of my wife by doing what I imagine to be Puddleglum's voice, whenever we're discussing a less than ideal situation/meal/movie, etc.


Oh dear. I always picture Puddleglum as the Jar Jar Binks of Narnia.
2013-07-09 12:25:44 PM  
2 votes:

secularsage: He has a tendency to create villains who are similar to the hero in terms of power or capability, but who are sociopaths with no regard for using their abilities to harm others.


He writes what he knows.
2013-07-09 11:28:50 AM  
2 votes:

Magorn: Diogenes: kronicfeld: "We disagreed" is an utterly disingenuous characterization of the "debate."

As is:

"Ender's Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984. "

That's like saying there was no racism during the slavery era.

I may see it.  I'm trying to force my way through the book now.  Not impressed thus far.  If anything I get an icky feeling with his obsession over militarized little boys.  But whatevs.  I'll reserve judgement until I've finished it.

I read Ender's game when it was a novella, and never really read the novel or its sequels, but when I had XM radio and a long commute a few years back I listened to parts of the two sequels while driving, and I came away with a very strong feeling that there was something very wrong wtih OSC (and that was back when I was even unaware of his LDS beliefs)  there is something about how he writes children, how he insists on   making them minature adults to the point where barely adolescent kids are nonetheless great military leader or poltical thinkers that just REALLY gives off a pedophile vibe to me, as many pedos justify thier actions by claiming their victims were "very mature for thier age"


So he's like a manga / anime writer?
2013-07-09 11:23:59 AM  
2 votes:
It's not easy for me to pass judgement on this. 18 years of Christian indoctrination has its permanent scars, and I've enjoyed reading quite a few of Card's books.

So, to help me get perspective, I read his statement like this:


Ender's Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984.

With the recent Supreme Court ruling, the gay marriage negro slavery issue becomes moot.  The Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution 13th Amendment will, sooner or later, give legal force in every state to any marriage contract recognized by any other state make free every black man, woman, and child.

Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents opponents of gay marriage negro slavery will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.


There. That's better. While not at all equal in injustice, the comparison is still valid.

So no, Mr. Card. No tolerance for slavers - I mean, opponents of gay marriage. We the People are still attempting to ensure that all people are treated equally in the eyes of the law. Odd how 150 years changes things - R's used to be proponents of that equality!
2013-07-09 11:00:37 AM  
2 votes:
Oh noes someone has an opinion that goes against the collective! I'm going to blog this as soon as I finish rage-vacuuming!
2013-07-09 10:53:46 AM  
2 votes:
Here's the way I read it:

"Hey, guys. I'm about to make a metric farkton of money on this movie, but I know how Mob Rules go. If this 'OSC is a homophobe thing, so we should boycott his movie' thing gains traction, I'm farked. So, here, let me just say: The bad guys won. Ok? You got what you wanted, now you have to be the bigger man and quick picking on the losers, i.e. Me.

I mean, had we won, we wouldn't be chicken strutting around the country touting the victory in God's name, or taking to the interwebs to do our Church Lady Victory Dance in every forum, so why don't you do the same and go see my movie while not being sore winners. I promise to not call you names or attack you in God's name while the movie is in the theater, alright? Do we have a deal? You spend money on my movie and once it's done it's run in the theaters, I'll go back to calling you hedonistic heathens that spit in the face of God with your unnatural sex acts.

I'm glad we can be civilized about this."
2013-07-10 01:01:02 AM  
1 votes:
What a bunch of crazy.

I will be happy to see a movie I wasn't going to see anyway, just to say fark you to the pro-censorship, fascist wannabe crowd.
2013-07-09 10:27:39 PM  
1 votes:

Jean Genetic: This from the man who wrote "Songmaster"? That was a seriously creepy book. There's something off about a man who writes about the degradation of children so much. And don't get me started on "Lost Boys." Ugh, he's a repulsive human being who writes repulsive books. No thanks. I like "Ender's Game" but after the two aforementioned books, that was it. No more.


That was the singularly most farked-up book I ever read.

And no, I don't intend to see the film. I actually intend to actively encourage others not to see it. All it'll take is a hastily-crafted email forward sent to a few key mommybloggers containing a wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say-no-more rundown of Card's 'beliefs,' some handpicked quotes from his various works (especially 'Songmaster,') and enough parents will keep their kids from seeing it to sink the picture.

The best part? All Snopes can possibly do is give said email-forward a 'mixed veracity' tag with "yeah, that's really stuff Card said and wrote, no, that doesn't mean 'Ender's Game' is the most pedo-tastic thing since Sting in a codpiece," and that, alas, is usually more than enough to keep a derp-rage meme going well past the point of its' usefulness.

/Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? I did it 35 minutes ago.
2013-07-09 07:42:55 PM  
1 votes:
STOP THE THREAD

Ran out of popcorn, just gimme a couple minutes to make more.
2013-07-09 06:13:58 PM  
1 votes:
Holy hell, I'm glad I left this thread earlier when it was just moderately insane.

Economic terrorism?

For fark's sake, this thread has hit a level of trolling that I haven't seen in a while.
2013-07-09 04:29:22 PM  
1 votes:

Super_pope: BojanglesPaladin: Yep. And it was wrong then. It's wrong now, right? Orr... surely you don't mean to imply that is acceptable to quash certain viewpoints when they are the "wrong" ones do you? Who decides which ones are OK and which ones are subject to "punishment" again?

Swing and a miss.  You said:

BojanglesPaladin: What I object to here, in THIS context, is the increasing certitude that if the opposing viewpoint is deemed "bad enough", those people should be "taught a lesson" and punished in some way. Not because they broke a law, but because they held, espoused or advocated something considered to be "wrongthink". That viewpoint determined to be out of favor should be quashed and those who espouse them punished for advocating them.

If that mentality had been allowed in the 70s, don't you think that the very gay rights movement itself would have been impacted? Remember that there was a time not so very long ago that homosexuality was almost universally understood to be completely abhorrent, wrong, and unacceptable?

Your closing paragraph is basically you going, "If people had been allowed to behave as badly about "wrongthink" as we do now, why think about where the gays and the black would be today!"

They used to quash those beliefs by KILLING PEOPLE AND BURNING THEIR HOMES AND CHURCHES DOWN.  I know you think you're dropping clever zingers or something here but you either need to type a LOT more carefully or just pack up your bags and leave cause you look really stupid trying to come back at me and some other posters are even pointing it out if you pay attention to the whole thread rather than telling me to read better.

You think its just meanness against OSC motivating a boycott.  He has X views so I hate him or whatever.  I wouldn't recognize him on the street and I don't care what the hell he thinks in private.  If he wants to actively pursue a societal agenda I think is repugnant, than I hope I get to see him broken and weeping in the street, and I'll ...


Man you guys are wasting your time he is just another apologist. Oh and by the way dude OSC isn't gonna come to your house and sleep with you. Or he might he apparently writes about naked little boys pretty often.
2013-07-09 03:27:17 PM  
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: Begoggle: Fark_Guy_Rob:

I'm 100% pro-gay marriage.
I'm also 100% pro-incestuous marriage.
I'm also 100% pro-polygamy marriage.
I'm also 100% pro-interracial marriage.

Virtually every single argument made against any one of those applies to the rest.  The government has no business telling consenting adults who they can/can't sleep with marry.

I'm against all legal definition of marriage.
Marriage is a religious thing and an imaginary societal construct.
I have problems with incest but that has nothing to do with marriage.
I can already live with and have sex with any consenting adult(s) that I want to.
There is nothing logical about getting a tax deduction because of it.

I can completely agree with/support your stance - minus the incest part.  Any law that says who I can have sex with (provided the partner is able to consent) is wrong IMHO.

But sure - either remove the government from marriage or make it so everyone can take part.  Anything else is hypocritical.


To be honest if you can distance yourself from the immediate reaction of 'Ick' incest isn't really a problem unless you have children.  Just make them get sterilized.  Also if they are trying to get married it's not like they aren't already sleeping together.  Banning the marriage isn't going to fix the problem.  Thanks for making me think these thoughts Heinlein. You sick bastard.
2013-07-09 03:07:31 PM  
1 votes:
All of this is reverse engineered marketing to get the Christians out to go see this movie.
2013-07-09 02:51:42 PM  
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: I can honestly say that of all the people I know (many dozens personally) who participated in the Chik-Fil-A protests and boycotts and flooded Facebook and e-mails with calls to action, not once did anyone bring up the slaughter of homosexuals in Uganda.


I know of no one who has personally seen a duck engage in an act of homosexual necrophilia, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
2013-07-09 02:41:41 PM  
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: He thinks gay sex should be illegal, and that if the government "redefines" marriage then our government is the enemy of the people and must be overthrown at all cost. He said HE would act to bring down that government. That's a little different than just thinking gays are gross. That's a little different than having a difference of opinion. He can hate gays all he wants, but the second he works to keep them unequal citizens, he loses the right for me to just turn a blind eye to his bigotry.


Is OSC the infamous White Horse of Mormon legend and myth?
2013-07-09 01:56:52 PM  
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: obtuse


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What? What did you call me?
2013-07-09 01:53:26 PM  
1 votes:

xalres: Try to understand, it's not just about "feeling differently" or "thinking the right way". This isn't just some bond measure or tax referendum they're supporting. The people and businesses you mentioned are fighting against equal treatment of citizens for no other reason than because their God says


Are you saying that not only what they think is wrong, but that their religious convictions make those opinions invalid? Since when is religious conviction alone an insufficient reason to advocate? The validity of their positions is not determined by whether or not I agree with them.

xalres: I absolutely WILL NOT give these people one damn cent of my money.


Which is perfectly fine. I myself haven't bought gasoline from Shell in almost two decades because of their policies in Africa, particularly Nigeria. Give your trade to whomever you choose. Again, it is the "punish the wrongthinkers!" mentality that is the problem, not whether THIS particular issue is appropriate. Understand?
2013-07-09 01:50:47 PM  
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Egoy3k: Nobody is forcing you to miss seeing the movie or go see the movie.

Of course not, nor did I suggest that.

My point is a generalized "Can we all act like grown-ups and stop calling for a fatwah boycott against every damn person that doesn't share our viewpoint?

It is the "They don't think like we think they should think, so they should be punished" mindset that is so alarming here regardless of the effectiveness of the boycott. It is the intent, less than the action itself.

Egoy3k: If the company that is paying to make the movie decides that it's too much of a risk to have a movie based on the writing of a man that has managed to piss off a large and vocal enough segment of the population then so be it.

Good Point. Let's Boycott Lionsgate! Those homophobic supporting assholes! Boycott the Hunger Games, Red 2, Joss Whenon's Shaespear movie too! Heck, everyone burn their Hurt Locker and  Juno DVDs! teach those bastards a lesson! Besides, Lionsgate put out a Mel Gibson movie, so they are clearly homophobic anti-semites.

Nah. If it's a good movie, see it. If it sucks, don't.

Just stop this "boycott the wrongthinkers!!!!" nonsense.


Why are you trying to get people to boycott the boycott?
2013-07-09 01:42:23 PM  
1 votes:

Super_pope: zomega: Susan's not dead. She's still alive as of book's end.

I thought she got killed too and just went to hell because she liked boys and parties and wore stockings or something.




Nope, she's still alive but still not Saved.
2013-07-09 01:08:15 PM  
1 votes:
Everytime Orson Scott Card opens his homophobic mouth, all I can think is: "Dude, you wrote a book called 'Songmaster'.  You need to STFU."
2013-07-09 01:06:16 PM  
1 votes:

RagnarDanesk: If we start boycotting movies because of the political leanings of the actors writers directors etc.... no movie will ever make a profit because half of the people will be boycotting every single movie.


HA HA!  Movies don't make money.  They won't until the pirates and streamers are put out of business.  Then they'll make mountains of money.

Just ask the MPAA.
2013-07-09 12:47:28 PM  
1 votes:
Ha anyone mentioned all the great literature we'd have to throw out based on the author's racism/sexism/homophobia?
2013-07-09 12:38:33 PM  
1 votes:
I'll just wait for the parody : Rear Ender's Game
2013-07-09 12:31:12 PM  
1 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: robohobo: Puddleglum is one of my favorite characters. I annoy the ever-loving SHIAT out of my wife by doing what I imagine to be Puddleglum's voice, whenever we're discussing a less than ideal situation/meal/movie, etc.

Oh dear. I always picture Puddleglum as the Jar Jar Binks of Narnia.


I favor his cynicism. Always thought it funny that he was the light-hearted, by the seat of his pants Marshwiggle.
2013-07-09 11:41:45 AM  
1 votes:

KellyX: Mike Chewbacca: KellyX: Meh, he didn't shove his anti-gay stuff in the book that I recall, did he?

No, he just openly and self-righteously fought against gay people in real life, which is much, much worse. I'm really torn on this because the actors are great. But I don't think I can bring myself to reward OSC.

And he and his lost the battle more or less, he even admits this will eventually become the law of the land... Least he isn't still trying to deny reality, and even if he was, who cares, they lost... move on.


In 2008, OSC wrote an essay calling for a revolution "at any means necessary" if gay marriage was legalized. Where's your "revolutionary" army now, Orson? Looks like he's just another loudmouthed homophobe that's all bark and no bite.
2013-07-09 11:35:35 AM  
1 votes:

Magorn: yukichigai: bdub77: This is mostly why I won't see Ender's Game and why I stopped reading his books after I found out what type of person he was. Even if he weren't a homophobe, Orson Scott Card is a raging asshole. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed plenty of books and movies written by raging assholes, but his books are also incredibly overrated. Meh.

The difference is, he doesn't inject his bigotry or his raving assholism into his books for the most part.  That's why I have no problem reading what he writes.

He may have distressing personal views, but at least he isn't trying to use his books as a medium to push those views.  Go look at someone like John Norman or L. Ron Hubbard.

Funny thing about John Norman..I met him once, and he was a tweedy, mousy little guy who was absolutely his wife's biatch, and was actually sort of horrified that people existed who used his books a blueprint for real-life relationships (yes they do exist....they're one step below furries on the "Who get to point an Laugh at Who" chart of geeky kinks)


I had to wikipedia who John Norman was.

And yes, Gor is below Furries, Anybody who does BDSM, and even nerds who write Dr. Who-Picard Slashfic. Even Furry Dr. Who Picard Slashfic.
2013-07-09 11:32:39 AM  
1 votes:

PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.


That one was worth it though, because C.S. Lewis is still the only author I know of who would end his series by killing off all of his main characters at once.
2013-07-09 11:27:51 AM  
1 votes:
It's hilarious when the "wrong side of history" people start playing their victim cards as that's usually the time when they lose the hand and tap out.
2013-07-09 11:25:31 AM  
1 votes:

that bosnian sniper: The man is entitled to his opinions, however repulsive they may be. Unless he's doing something like donating proceeds of the film, or dedicating it to, a group like the FRC, NOM, or AFA, there's no point to berating him for having a belief.  Birth of a Nation for gays, this is certainly not.


OSC is on the board of directors for NOM.
2013-07-09 11:24:41 AM  
1 votes:
Magorn:

Diogenes: If anything I get an icky feeling with his obsession over militarized little boys.  But whatevs.  I'll reserve judgement until I've finished it.

there is something about how he writes children, how he insists on   making them minature adults to the point where barely adolescent kids are nonetheless great military leader or poltical thinkers that just REALLY gives off a pedophile vibe to me, as many pedos justify thier actions by claiming their victims were "very mature for thier age"


How many of his works feature scenes with naked children (usually boys)?


Ender's Game, check.  Xenocide, check.  Ender's Shadow, check.  Worthing Saga, check.  Songmaster, check.  A couple more short stories from Maps in a Mirror that I don't remember the names of, check.
2013-07-09 11:13:49 AM  
1 votes:

yukichigai: bdub77: This is mostly why I won't see Ender's Game and why I stopped reading his books after I found out what type of person he was. Even if he weren't a homophobe, Orson Scott Card is a raging asshole. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed plenty of books and movies written by raging assholes, but his books are also incredibly overrated. Meh.

The difference is, he doesn't inject his bigotry or his raving assholism into his books for the most part.  That's why I have no problem reading what he writes.

He may have distressing personal views, but at least he isn't trying to use his books as a medium to push those views.  Go look at someone like John Norman or L. Ron Hubbard.


and to expand on your main point,  Heinlien had extremely strong, very right-wing poltical views, and he was not shy about sharing them in his essays, but in his novels and stories he was more circumspect,  yes he wrote Starship Troopers, a book many consider to be an endorsement of fascism, but he wrote what many consider to be one of seminal works of the hippie culture Stranger in Stange Land at the exact same time. A book that forces you to think or consider arguments you had not before, I have no objections to, but a book that is thinly veiled propaganda for the author's poltical or moral views I have ZERO patience for.  I recall a series I once picked up a used book store that started entertainingly enough, but then every single gorram book devolved into a paen to libertarianism so extreme even Ron Paul would say "Whoa there big fella, ease back on the stick a bit yeah?".  Or the most classic modern example, would be everything Terry Goodkind wrote after the first Sword Of Truth book, where a promising series devolved into nothing more than incompetent plotting overlaying  a mix of fan-fic level S&M fantasies and laughable poltical rantings.  That's unforgiveable to me.  And the Hamlet revision OSC apparently wrote sounds like it's in that company
2013-07-09 11:13:30 AM  
1 votes:
Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.

Right, because a judicial decision about gay marriage is going to stop homophobes from being raging, loud-mouthed assholes.  Go fark yourself.
2013-07-09 11:02:03 AM  
1 votes:
Ender's Game

Sounds homoerotic
2013-07-09 10:48:50 AM  
1 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: "How dare you be intolerant of my intolerance! WAH!"

Here's a deal, Orson: you stop being a homophobic asshole, and then I'll go see your movie.

You can either continue to be a chairman for NOM and write horrible anti-gay crap like your remake of Hamlet*, or you can have gay people willingly give you money. You can't have both, Mr. Card.

*He actually had the balls to re-write one of the greatest works of literary fiction, and change it so that Hamlet's dad was a pedophile who made most of the male cast gay by molesting them (because that's how OSC thinks it works) and tries to trick Hamlet into killing his uncle so he goes to Hell and daddy dearest can molest his son for eternity. Billy S. is spinning in his grave so hard, he drilled a tunnel to the Earth's core.



Wait, wut? Where did this fresh hell of a novel come from?
2013-07-09 10:47:57 AM  
1 votes:

you have pee hands: TuteTibiImperes: It's been a while since I've read Ender's Game, but doesn't the book contain multiple scenes involving naked boys wrestling around with each other and whatnot?

This is broadening it a bit but why do sci fi writers all seem to love putting terrible sex scenes in their books?  Can't at least one of them get an editor that decides that the graphic descriptions of sex between future hermaphrodites or future 14 year olds or aliens or whatever doesn't really tell us anything important about the characters or advance the narrative and give those scenes the axe?


Heretics of Dune FTL....
2013-07-09 10:43:53 AM  
1 votes:
The tolerance he seeks is green in color.
2013-07-09 10:42:59 AM  
1 votes:
So, "I'm still a homophobic jackass but you guys won so don't be mean to me?"  Sure.
2013-07-09 10:37:29 AM  
1 votes:

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Sir, you have made yourself a public face for bigotry and hate.  It is a little late and perhaps a bit disingenuous to ask for tolerance from people that oppose you.  Spend a decade working for tolerance and atoning for your past sins.  Then we'll talk.



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THIS!
2013-07-09 10:36:32 AM  
1 votes:
 Orson Scott Card, after all, still wrote a version of Hamlet in which the eponymous character's father was a gay, as a way of explaining why he was a terrible king (Card also made Hamlet's father into a child molester).

Sounds like he's from the "gay = child molester" school of thought (Hi Dad!)
2013-07-09 10:27:33 AM  
1 votes:
How can you have a name like Orson Scott Card and NOT be gay?

It's not possible.
2013-07-09 10:26:17 AM  
1 votes:

hinten: "Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute."

What exactly kind of a tolerance is he looking for here? That statement/threat doesn't even make any sense.


Wouldn't not going to see his movie because you disagree with his views be a perfect example of the free market?  Why do you hate the free market, Mr Card?
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2013-07-09 10:22:51 AM  
1 votes:

Some Bass Playing Guy: I enjoyed Ender's Game.

But Card can EABOD.


He probably does on a regular basis.  Heterosexual men are not normally that obsessed with what gays do.
2013-07-09 09:49:02 AM  
1 votes:
"I love Chik-Fil-A.  I'm not ashamed of my love for chicken!!!"
 
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