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(The Atlantic Wire)   Orson Scott Card adresses efforts to boycott "Ender's Game" because of the author's outspoken opposition to gay marriage. Short version: You godless heathens and filthy sodomites won, now stop oppressing me   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 587
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2013-07-09 11:28:50 AM  

Magorn: Diogenes: kronicfeld: "We disagreed" is an utterly disingenuous characterization of the "debate."

As is:

"Ender's Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984. "

That's like saying there was no racism during the slavery era.

I may see it.  I'm trying to force my way through the book now.  Not impressed thus far.  If anything I get an icky feeling with his obsession over militarized little boys.  But whatevs.  I'll reserve judgement until I've finished it.

I read Ender's game when it was a novella, and never really read the novel or its sequels, but when I had XM radio and a long commute a few years back I listened to parts of the two sequels while driving, and I came away with a very strong feeling that there was something very wrong wtih OSC (and that was back when I was even unaware of his LDS beliefs)  there is something about how he writes children, how he insists on   making them minature adults to the point where barely adolescent kids are nonetheless great military leader or poltical thinkers that just REALLY gives off a pedophile vibe to me, as many pedos justify thier actions by claiming their victims were "very mature for thier age"


So he's like a manga / anime writer?
 
2013-07-09 11:29:36 AM  

meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.


Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.
 
2013-07-09 11:30:07 AM  
Magorn:
and to expand on your main point,  Heinlien had extremely strong, very right-wing poltical views, and he was not shy about sharing them in his essays,

Yeah, I loved me some Heinlein essays when I was younger, and actually, if it ever came down to a breakdown of civilization, some of his stuff is still pretty useful.  Plus Farnham's Freehold is still a good read for that element.

yes he wrote Starship Troopers, a book many consider to be an endorsement of fascism,

I've still never quite gotten that.  Yes, Fascism is Authoritatinism, but I wouldn't say the reverse is true, and I'd say that yes, Starship Troopers describes an Authoritarian society.

I recall a series I once picked up a used book store that started entertainingly enough, but then every single gorram book devolved into a paen to libertarianism so extreme even Ron Paul would say "Whoa there big fella, ease back on the stick a bit yeah?".

I'm wondering.  I started getting that impression about most of John Ringo's stuff that I've read.  I still enjoy the hell out of them, and I'm doomed with the phrase "fiddly bits" from the Maple Syrup War books (can't remember the name), but while annoying at points, I still enjoy the hell out of them.
 
2013-07-09 11:30:25 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Is he still Islamophobic?


Given all the other groups he hates, Muslims can't possibly be excluded.

I'm debating buying a ticket for another film and sneaking in.  Either that, or I'll wait for it on torrent.
 
2013-07-09 11:30:34 AM  

Magorn: I was reading at a college sophmore level when I was in 4th grade according to the tests, and I read Enders (the original short story) right about then or a year or two later. And frankly my real take-away was "So this is what the author thinks being me is like (Yes I was a wildly arrogant shiat too)...way to miss it by a mile..."


No, this is what the author thinks being the author as a child was like.
 
2013-07-09 11:31:29 AM  

odinsposse: Ender's Game is written about and for smart kids. If you read it when you were an overachieving junior high student a lot of it resonates. All of the people I know who really like it were nerds who read it around that time in their life.


I went to a nerdy magnet program.  Ender's Game was the only book banned from our reading groups in English, because everyone wanted to do a book report on it.
 
2013-07-09 11:31:42 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: bdub77: but his books are also incredibly overrated.

The only one I've read is Ender's Game, and it is completely mundane.  It topped several Top X Sci-Fi books lists, so I read it and was completely underwhelmed.


It's been a while since I read the book (around 2002), but I recall disliking Ender's supposedly innovative tactics that no one else could possibly be ready for. They just seemed like cheap gimmicks to me, reminding me of cartoons from my youth, like this one episode of Duck Tales when Duckworth suggested the kids swing their baseball bats like golf clubs, and all of a sudden they were magically unstoppable.

Also there was a side plot involving Ender's siblings strongly influencing politics by arguing on something like the internet. I thought it was incredibly stupid. It was like no one had up until then thought of making political arguments on the internet until those clever kids came along. And wow did they change everything!

Disclaimer: Again it's been a while so I may have a fact or two wrong.
 
2013-07-09 11:31:47 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: bdub77: but his books are also incredibly overrated.

The only one I've read is Ender's Game, and it is completely mundane.  It topped several Top X Sci-Fi books lists, so I read it and was completely underwhelmed.


It's a children's book Card wrote as a prelude to the hard sci-fi novel  Speaker For the Dead,which is a much more challenging novel to love. People who don't read sci-fi regularly love  Ender's Game because it's accessible, but fans of the genre tend to wonder what all the fuss is about.

I think Card is a good, but not great, writer who has gotten lazier over time. For example, the Alvin Maker books started out great and then gradually declined as they got away from being American Frontier fantasy and more into a fantasy version of the mythology of Joseph Smith. (Blech). Likewise, you don't hear too many people raving about the Ender saga or the Bean saga because they're just OK -- interesting, but just a cut above L. Ron Hubbard in terms of their sci-fi credentials.

What I do like about Card's writing is the way he writes villains. He has a tendency to create villains who are similar to the hero in terms of power or capability, but who are sociopaths with no regard for using their abilities to harm others. Even though he's used this trick several times in his writing, it makes his stories a lot more fun to read.

But since Frank Herbert had a similar tendency, I've often wondered if Card cribbed it from him. Herbert's villains (such as Baron Vladimir Harkonnen in Dune and Morgan Oakes in The Jesus Incident) tend to be grotesque and sociopathic, but also are extremely clever and often serve as a counterpoint to the hero. I should also add that Herbert is ten times the science fiction writer Card is, and anyone who enjoys sci-fi should give the  Dune and  WorShip series a try.
 
2013-07-09 11:31:51 AM  

PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.


Well, yeah.

That wasn't just heavy handed.  That was "fashion Revelations into a giant sledgehammer and beat you over the head with it".
 
2013-07-09 11:31:59 AM  
I think the queers are being butthurt.  It can't have anything to do with all the dicks up asses
 
2013-07-09 11:32:09 AM  

Honest Bender: The first three Ender's books were pretty good.


First two-and-a-half books.  Then Xenocide had to get all magical.
 
2013-07-09 11:32:39 AM  

PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.


That one was worth it though, because C.S. Lewis is still the only author I know of who would end his series by killing off all of his main characters at once.
 
2013-07-09 11:32:56 AM  
When Card declares that the fight is over, resigns from the board of NOM, and keeps his politics to himself, he can ask for some tolerance.

Meanwhile, he's continuing to actively fight equality - it's not like he's advocating that NOM stop pushing for a federal marriage amendment, or fighting in states attempting to repeal marriage bans. The statements he's made - publicly and without reservation - about gay people are reprehensible.

And now a "You won this round, so you must therefore you must forever stop calling me a douche, but I will continue fighting equality as long as I can". Sure, Orson. I'll get right on that.

I didn't buy his Xbox game, I'm not going to see his movie.
 
2013-07-09 11:33:04 AM  

yukichigai: The difference is, he doesn't inject his bigotry or his raving assholism into his books for the most part. That's why I have no problem reading what he writes.


but if you buy the book, he takes your money and spends it on his political projects. If he just held the beliefs, that would be one thing, but he spends a lot of money lobbying for them- money he makes through selling his books.
 
2013-07-09 11:33:04 AM  
Well, Speaker for the Dead was kind of magical too, but I was able to suspend my disbelief with the pseudoscientific justifications.  Not so with conscious philotes.
 
2013-07-09 11:33:21 AM  

zomega: FuryOfFirestorm: "How dare you be intolerant of my intolerance! WAH!"

Here's a deal, Orson: you stop being a homophobic asshole, and then I'll go see your movie.

You can either continue to be a chairman for NOM and write horrible anti-gay crap like your remake of Hamlet*, or you can have gay people willingly give you money. You can't have both, Mr. Card.

*He actually had the balls to re-write one of the greatest works of literary fiction, and change it so that Hamlet's dad was a pedophile who made most of the male cast gay by molesting them (because that's how OSC thinks it works) and tries to trick Hamlet into killing his uncle so he goes to Hell and daddy dearest can molest his son for eternity. Billy S. is spinning in his grave so hard, he drilled a tunnel to the Earth's core.


Wait, wut? Where did this fresh hell of a novel come from?


It's called "Hamlet's Father. It was originally printed in a quarterly Anthology, then got a limited print run as a 104 page novella. Dude even had the nerve to claim that he "left [Shakespeare's version] in shreds all over the floor".
 
2013-07-09 11:33:42 AM  

meat0918: PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.

Well, yeah.

That wasn't just heavy handed.  That was "fashion Revelations into a giant sledgehammer and beat you over the head with it".


I felt really dumb when I realized that The Last Battle was Revelations and then had to go back and find the Christianity in the previous books.  They were still a good read though, IMO.
 
2013-07-09 11:34:37 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: bdub77: but his books are also incredibly overrated.

The only one I've read is Ender's Game, and it is completely mundane.  It topped several Top X Sci-Fi books lists, so I read it and was completely underwhelmed.


I felt the same way about The Forever War, which had similar levels of praise. I'll admit I enjoyed The Forever War more than Ender's Game, though, for sure.
 
2013-07-09 11:35:04 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.

That one was worth it though, because C.S. Lewis is still the only author I know of who would end his series by killing off all of his main characters at once.


Jim Butcher seems to be wanting to give it a go.
 
2013-07-09 11:35:35 AM  

Magorn: yukichigai: bdub77: This is mostly why I won't see Ender's Game and why I stopped reading his books after I found out what type of person he was. Even if he weren't a homophobe, Orson Scott Card is a raging asshole. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed plenty of books and movies written by raging assholes, but his books are also incredibly overrated. Meh.

The difference is, he doesn't inject his bigotry or his raving assholism into his books for the most part.  That's why I have no problem reading what he writes.

He may have distressing personal views, but at least he isn't trying to use his books as a medium to push those views.  Go look at someone like John Norman or L. Ron Hubbard.

Funny thing about John Norman..I met him once, and he was a tweedy, mousy little guy who was absolutely his wife's biatch, and was actually sort of horrified that people existed who used his books a blueprint for real-life relationships (yes they do exist....they're one step below furries on the "Who get to point an Laugh at Who" chart of geeky kinks)


I had to wikipedia who John Norman was.

And yes, Gor is below Furries, Anybody who does BDSM, and even nerds who write Dr. Who-Picard Slashfic. Even Furry Dr. Who Picard Slashfic.
 
2013-07-09 11:35:38 AM  

xalres: I'm the same way with Roman Polanski movies. I don't care how good they are or what actors are in them, I just can't bring myself to support any of his projects considering what a repulsive person he is.


I'll have to disagree on this one.  I loathe Roman Polanski as an individual, his "you're persecuting me because u jelly" after raping a child is such a deplorable response that I don't even know where to start, but Chinatown at the very least has to be considered part of the modern movie canon.  If you haven't seen it, see it, and ponder that perhaps it takes a really repulsive person to make a movie about the most wretched depths to which humans can sink.
 
2013-07-09 11:36:28 AM  

JakeStone: They were still a good read though, IMO.


Oh, totally. I'm not a BIG fan of Magician's Nephew and Horse and His Boy, but they're still good.

Know what I hate? When people read them starting with Magician's Nephew. Call me a pedant, but even though the world begins there, the STORY starts with Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.
 
2013-07-09 11:36:54 AM  
I don't give two shiats about the guys politics. I do however care that all the kids at battleschool look to be in the mid-teens, instead of younger than ten. That defeats the whole point. I'll be seeing it anyhow, just in case it works, somehow.
 
2013-07-09 11:37:44 AM  

INeedAName: vpb: Some Bass Playing Guy: I enjoyed Ender's Game.

But Card can EABOD.

He probably does on a regular basis.  Heterosexual men are not normally that obsessed with what gays do.

I'm very pro gay marriage. Wrote some letters, stood at a rally (I'm in DC so it's easy to get involved) but the whole 'if you don't like gay people you must secretly be gay' argument is ridiculous. Have their been cases of closeted homophobes, certainly. Are the majority of homophobes gay, not likely.

Move on with your argument to something more meaningful and relevant.


Is the homophobe obsessed with gays?  A guy that hates gays but doesn't give it a second thought unless he sees someone he perceives as gay, okay maybe not gay.  However a homophobe that's obsessed with it is a different story.
 
2013-07-09 11:37:48 AM  

Actor_au: Aside from the usual Hyper-Pro-America stuff (which can sometimes make reading some writers difficult or at least tedious)his politics never seem to drift into his stories that I have seen,


He started injecting some religion and politics into Shadow of the Hegemon.  I quit the series after that.
 
2013-07-09 11:38:00 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Strayha04: The My Little Pony Killer: Strayha04: But aren't you also forcibly screwing over a bunch of other people who don't share the same views and are just trying to make a good/decent/okay movie?

Well, those people chose to work with somebody who is this openly bigoted. They are not innocent little snowflakes in this scenario.

While I understand what you mean... it's not like everyone knows this. I had no idea who this douche was until these articles about boycotts started popping up. I doubt everyone who is involved with the movie was given background information regarding the original author and told to choose between what they believe in or a paycheck.... Though I probably would have taken the paycheck regardless.

Fighting to give them a paycheck is fighting to give OSC a paycheck, and I will not support his bigotry. No, not even to support those who were unfortunate to be "stuck" working with him.

/none of them could have hopped on wikipedia to get an idea of the project they were about to work on?
//none of them at all?


Seriously though, do you wikipedia everyone you come into contact with? Imagine how many people work on a movie... I'm assuming at a minimum, it's maybe a couple hundred people from producers to gaffers. So if one of those people does something you don't like - you just refuse to work there?
 
2013-07-09 11:39:39 AM  

Khellendros: Diogenes: I may see it. I'm trying to force my way through the book now. Not impressed thus far. If anything I get an icky feeling with his obsession over militarized little boys. But whatevs. I'll reserve judgement until I've finished it.

How old are you?  Because if you're older than about 18 or 20, the book is likely have very little impact on you. It's a great read when you're a teenager, but falls flat once you get close to, or reach, adulthood.

kronicfeld: "We disagreed" is an utterly disingenuous characterization of the "debate." He actively worked for decades to demonize homosexuals through his proselytizing and his National Organization for Marriage fought tirelessly to deny them equal rights. So, no, this isn't a situation where you "agree to disagree" and shake your opposition's hand after a good-faith debate. He wants to "move on" because paying any attention to his past now is going to reveal him to a much broader audience as a hateful bigot.

This.  The ongoing attitude of these backwards farksticks is amazing - "It's intolerant for you to call me out for being intolerant!  Let's just agree that you'll keep fighting for equal rights, while I keep fighting against it.  See, we're ethically equal, we just disagree!"


Kind of like people on Fark who call you racist for pointing out another farker's racism.
 
2013-07-09 11:40:30 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.

That one was worth it though, because C.S. Lewis is still the only author I know of who would end his series by killing off all of his main characters at once.


I was not the smartest kid in the worst (a trend that continued into adulthood) but I just read it as another chapter in my favorite book series.  I actually enjoyed reading it again when I was older and picking up on the obvious biblical parallels.
 
2013-07-09 11:40:31 AM  

Ambitwistor: Actor_au: Aside from the usual Hyper-Pro-America stuff (which can sometimes make reading some writers difficult or at least tedious)his politics never seem to drift into his stories that I have seen,

He started injecting some religion and politics into Shadow of the Hegemon.  I quit the series after that.


He started way before then. I forget her name, but the crazy-ass chinese girl with OCD in the first series was pretty ham fisted. And the series has always been politic heavy.
 
2013-07-09 11:40:53 AM  

PizzaJedi81: JakeStone: They were still a good read though, IMO.

Oh, totally. I'm not a BIG fan of Magician's Nephew and Horse and His Boy, but they're still good.

Know what I hate? When people read them starting with Magician's Nephew. Call me a pedant, but even though the world begins there, the STORY starts with Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.


I would LOVE to see a Magician's Nephew movie with Tilda Swinton reprising her role as the White Witch.

A film where she gets to wreak havok in the real world? Hell yes!
 
2013-07-09 11:41:33 AM  

flaminio: Strayha04: If we hate one author for his views, does that mean we shouldn't read anything from anyone with opposing viewpoints? Even if those viewpoints are hateful and bigoted? If that's the case there's a whole boat load of writers I wouldn't be able to read anything from...

And not just writers. This is a debate I have with folk all the time -- can you separate the art from the artist? I'm a big fan of Mel Gibson movies, even though I acknowledge he's an anti-Semitic douchebag. Can one be a Republican and still enjoy the music of Crosby, Stills & Nash? One of the pre-eminent writers on numismatic history is a convicted child molester -- does that fact invalidate his other work?

I don't have any answers, but as far as the Ender's Game movie, I'll judge it on its artistic merits, and not the political views of the writer or some grip's assistant.


To me there is a significant difference between an actor and a writer, one is essentially a sock-puppet for another's words, so his personal views are less important.  Same with an author of technical manual or academic text in a non-subjective area like say Chemistry, as opposed to history or economics or psychology.   Now as to the CSN example,  I think it would be very strange to be a Republican and a Fan of say Bruce Springsteen or Pete Seeger,  less so of an equally liberal, but more apoltical singer like Johnny Cash (read the lyrics to Man in Black if you disacree with thtis characterization of Cash)
 
2013-07-09 11:41:45 AM  

KellyX: Mike Chewbacca: KellyX: Meh, he didn't shove his anti-gay stuff in the book that I recall, did he?

No, he just openly and self-righteously fought against gay people in real life, which is much, much worse. I'm really torn on this because the actors are great. But I don't think I can bring myself to reward OSC.

And he and his lost the battle more or less, he even admits this will eventually become the law of the land... Least he isn't still trying to deny reality, and even if he was, who cares, they lost... move on.


In 2008, OSC wrote an essay calling for a revolution "at any means necessary" if gay marriage was legalized. Where's your "revolutionary" army now, Orson? Looks like he's just another loudmouthed homophobe that's all bark and no bite.
 
2013-07-09 11:42:44 AM  

PizzaJedi81: JakeStone: They were still a good read though, IMO.

Oh, totally. I'm not a BIG fan of Magician's Nephew and Horse and His Boy, but they're still good.

Know what I hate? When people read them starting with Magician's Nephew. Call me a pedant, but even though the world begins there, the STORY starts with Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.


I actually liked Magician's Nephew in retrospect since it beings in the Professor or whoever the old man was that had the wardrobe as having a Narnia connection.  Otherwise it's a little too Aslan ex machina, as it were.  I agree with you though about starting with that one though.  It makes for good flashback material and an explanation for the mysterious Snow Queen from Lion.

Horse and His Boy can suck rocks.
 
2013-07-09 11:43:12 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: PizzaJedi81: JakeStone: They were still a good read though, IMO.

Oh, totally. I'm not a BIG fan of Magician's Nephew and Horse and His Boy, but they're still good.

Know what I hate? When people read them starting with Magician's Nephew. Call me a pedant, but even though the world begins there, the STORY starts with Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.

I would LOVE to see a Magician's Nephew movie with Tilda Swinton reprising her role as the White Witch.

A film where she gets to wreak havok in the real world? Hell yes!


Magician's Nephew and a Horse and His Boy are, I think, my two favorite from the series. And yes, the White Witch wreaking havoc in the real world(horse-drawn taxi and all) would be all kinds of awesome. There's no way in fark HAHB would ever get made, not without serious rewrites and race-casting changes,
 
2013-07-09 11:43:36 AM  

Strayha04: The My Little Pony Killer: Strayha04: The My Little Pony Killer: Strayha04: But aren't you also forcibly screwing over a bunch of other people who don't share the same views and are just trying to make a good/decent/okay movie?

Well, those people chose to work with somebody who is this openly bigoted. They are not innocent little snowflakes in this scenario.

While I understand what you mean... it's not like everyone knows this. I had no idea who this douche was until these articles about boycotts started popping up. I doubt everyone who is involved with the movie was given background information regarding the original author and told to choose between what they believe in or a paycheck.... Though I probably would have taken the paycheck regardless.

Fighting to give them a paycheck is fighting to give OSC a paycheck, and I will not support his bigotry. No, not even to support those who were unfortunate to be "stuck" working with him.

/none of them could have hopped on wikipedia to get an idea of the project they were about to work on?
//none of them at all?

Seriously though, do you wikipedia everyone you come into contact with? Imagine how many people work on a movie... I'm assuming at a minimum, it's maybe a couple hundred people from producers to gaffers. So if one of those people does something you don't like - you just refuse to work there?


The fact of the matter is that giving money to the folks who work with OSC is the same as giving money to OSC, since money will be going to OSC anyway. I choose not to support OSC. The people who work with OSC are in the middle of this, and that sucks for them, but you can't sit there and pretend that all this NOM/OSC stuff has been entirely and completely unknown to anybody for the past few years, including during production on the film.

No, I don't feel bad that they won't be getting as paid for this as they would have had they worked with somebody with even a shred of decency.
 
2013-07-09 11:44:26 AM  

kronicfeld: "We disagreed" is an utterly disingenuous characterization of the "debate." He actively worked for decades to demonize homosexuals through his proselytizing and his National Organization for Marriage fought tirelessly to deny them equal rights. So, no, this isn't a situation where you "agree to disagree" and shake your opposition's hand after a good-faith debate. He wants to "move on" because paying any attention to his past now is going to reveal him to a much broader audience as a hateful bigot.


Yes, and it went far beyond just opposing marriage equality.  He advocated for sodomy laws to "send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society."  To my knowledge, while he has (sort of) walked back his position on criminalizing sodomy, he has never disavowed the broader point that gays should not be "equal citizens."
 
2013-07-09 11:44:53 AM  

Gunny Highway: The My Little Pony Killer: PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.

That one was worth it though, because C.S. Lewis is still the only author I know of who would end his series by killing off all of his main characters at once.

I was not the smartest kid in the worst (a trend that continued into adulthood) but I just read it as another chapter in my favorite book series.  I actually enjoyed reading it again when I was older and picking up on the obvious biblical parallels.


I never read the series as a child. School librarians were too heavy-handed in trying to get us to read that one specifically, even going so far as to deck out the library as Narnia for an entire school year.
 
2013-07-09 11:45:05 AM  
Expecting others to hold themselves to a higher moral standard than you hold yourself, is to admit that your own morality is inherently flawed.
 
2013-07-09 11:45:51 AM  
The My Little Pony Killer:

I would LOVE to see a Magician's Nephew movie with Tilda Swinton reprising her role as the White Witch.

Holy...  I've never seen any of the Narnia movies, but just did GIS on her in the role and she's perfect!  Yeah, I'd go see that flick.

Also, my bad earlier for referencing her role as Snow Queen.  It's been a few years since I've reread the books.
 
2013-07-09 11:46:04 AM  

robohobo: The My Little Pony Killer: PizzaJedi81: JakeStone: They were still a good read though, IMO.

Oh, totally. I'm not a BIG fan of Magician's Nephew and Horse and His Boy, but they're still good.

Know what I hate? When people read them starting with Magician's Nephew. Call me a pedant, but even though the world begins there, the STORY starts with Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.

I would LOVE to see a Magician's Nephew movie with Tilda Swinton reprising her role as the White Witch.

A film where she gets to wreak havok in the real world? Hell yes!

Magician's Nephew and a Horse and His Boy are, I think, my two favorite from the series. And yes, the White Witch wreaking havoc in the real world(horse-drawn taxi and all) would be all kinds of awesome. There's no way in fark HAHB would ever get made, not without serious rewrites and race-casting changes,


The sun will appear dark in my eyes until I see Tilda Swinton ripping an iron bar off of a lamppost in London.
 
2013-07-09 11:46:15 AM  

Wade_Wilson: Expecting others to hold themselves to a higher moral standard than you hold yourself, is to admit that your own morality is inherently flawed.


I'm not asking him to hold himself to a higher standard, I'm asking him to have morals in the first place. HUUUUUUUGE difference.

/and no, 'muh bigotry' is NOT a moral
 
2013-07-09 11:46:51 AM  

JakeStone: The My Little Pony Killer:

I would LOVE to see a Magician's Nephew movie with Tilda Swinton reprising her role as the White Witch.

Holy...  I've never seen any of the Narnia movies, but just did GIS on her in the role and she's perfect!  Yeah, I'd go see that flick.

Also, my bad earlier for referencing her role as Snow Queen.  It's been a few years since I've reread the books.


They're worth it for her and her alone.
 
2013-07-09 11:47:04 AM  

dj_spanmaster: With the recent Supreme Court ruling, the gay marriage negro slavery issue becomes moot. The Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution 13th Amendment will, sooner or later, give legal force in every state to any marriage contract recognized by any other state make free every black man, woman, and child.

Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents opponents of gay marriage negro slavery will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.

There. That's better. While not at all equal in injustice, the comparison is still valid.

So no, Mr. Card. No tolerance for slavers - I mean, opponents of gay marriage. We the People are still attempting to ensure that all people are treated equally in the eyes of the law. Odd how 150 years changes things - R's used to be proponents of that equality!


Because holding someone as property is the same as not allowing Adam and Steve to get married?  That's where the gay rights people lose me.  That's not an apples to oranges comparison, it's freaking apples to squash.
 
2013-07-09 11:47:50 AM  

robohobo: Magician's Nephew and a Horse and His Boy are, I think, my two favorite from the series.


It's funny. HAHB is either someone's favorite, or their least favorite. I am in the latter category.
 
2013-07-09 11:47:51 AM  
Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.

This really cracks me up... Not putting up with bigots isn't "intolerant", it's 'not putting up with the intolerant', there's a difference. Now, if Card had just said that he was personally against it for his own reasons, and left it at that, I would see his point here. Instead, he had to come across as Super-Prick, and now can't figure out why people aren't excited when he pokes his head out of the prairie dog hole.
 
2013-07-09 11:47:58 AM  

Kinek: I had to wikipedia who John Norman was.

And yes, Gor is below Furries, Anybody who does BDSM, and even nerds who write Dr. Who-Picard Slashfic. Even Furry Dr. Who Picard Slashfic.


I hang out with some BDSM-inclined folks and they're open-minded about human sexuality, to say the least.  I mean, they are  really open-minded.

But I have yet to have a conversation about Gor that didn't involve complete and utter disdain for anyone Gorean.  Mixed with a bit of pity and the general assumption that Goreans are 'tards.
 
2013-07-09 11:48:24 AM  
I saw this the other day, seems relevant:

amultiverse.com
 
2013-07-09 11:49:36 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The fact of the matter is that giving money to the folks who work with OSC is the same as giving money to OSC, since money will be going to OSC anyway. I choose not to support OSC. The people who work with OSC are in the middle of this, and that sucks for them, but you can't sit there and pretend that all this NOM/OSC stuff has been entirely and completely unknown to anybody for the past few years, including during production on the film.

No, I don't feel bad that they won't be getting as paid for this as they would have had they worked with somebody with even a shred of decency.


I should point out that most people who work on a movie don't get a cut of the gross. They get paid because the studio or producer fronts the money to make the film which is what pays the crew working on it. So if Ender's Game bombs the crew doesn't lose money.
 
2013-07-09 11:49:58 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I never read the series as a child. School librarians were too heavy-handed in trying to get us to read that one specifically, even going so far as to deck out the library as Narnia for an entire school year.


Ha!  I am a librarian (not in a school).  I will make sure not to let me personal fandom get out of hand.  I would hate to come across as pushy to a kid.

JakeStone: Horse and His Boy can suck rocks.


Blasphemy!
 
2013-07-09 11:50:10 AM  

PizzaJedi81: The My Little Pony Killer: PizzaJedi81: meat0918: At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.

Well...before The Last Battle, anyway.

That one was worth it though, because C.S. Lewis is still the only author I know of who would end his series by killing off all of his main characters at once.

Jim Butcher seems to be wanting to give it a go.


You had to remind me. I'm twitching waiting for the next book. I didn't think they'd be as good as Carey's Felix Castor series, but they're better once you get past the werewolves in book 2.
 
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