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(The Atlantic Wire)   Orson Scott Card adresses efforts to boycott "Ender's Game" because of the author's outspoken opposition to gay marriage. Short version: You godless heathens and filthy sodomites won, now stop oppressing me   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 587
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2013-07-09 10:53:46 AM
Here's the way I read it:

"Hey, guys. I'm about to make a metric farkton of money on this movie, but I know how Mob Rules go. If this 'OSC is a homophobe thing, so we should boycott his movie' thing gains traction, I'm farked. So, here, let me just say: The bad guys won. Ok? You got what you wanted, now you have to be the bigger man and quick picking on the losers, i.e. Me.

I mean, had we won, we wouldn't be chicken strutting around the country touting the victory in God's name, or taking to the interwebs to do our Church Lady Victory Dance in every forum, so why don't you do the same and go see my movie while not being sore winners. I promise to not call you names or attack you in God's name while the movie is in the theater, alright? Do we have a deal? You spend money on my movie and once it's done it's run in the theaters, I'll go back to calling you hedonistic heathens that spit in the face of God with your unnatural sex acts.

I'm glad we can be civilized about this."
 
2013-07-09 10:54:39 AM

Khellendros: His only redeeming factor seems to be that he wrote one really good young adult sci-fi book.


I liked Speaker of the Dead more than Ender's Game.
 
2013-07-09 10:54:49 AM
Meh, he didn't shove his anti-gay stuff in the book that I recall, did he?

Now if you really want to fark with the anti-gay people, they should turn The Forever War into a movie =)
 
2013-07-09 10:55:46 AM
I actually enjoy a lot of OSC's early writing, but the moment I learned his politics was the last time I bought any of his books new.

/has a signed copy of Ender's Game
//bought it at a used book shop
 
2013-07-09 10:56:35 AM

yukichigai: bdub77: This is mostly why I won't see Ender's Game and why I stopped reading his books after I found out what type of person he was. Even if he weren't a homophobe, Orson Scott Card is a raging asshole. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed plenty of books and movies written by raging assholes, but his books are also incredibly overrated. Meh.

The difference is, he doesn't inject his bigotry or his raving assholism into his books for the most part.  That's why I have no problem reading what he writes.

He may have distressing personal views, but at least he isn't trying to use his books as a medium to push those views.  Go look at someone like John Norman or L. Ron Hubbard.


Funny thing about John Norman..I met him once, and he was a tweedy, mousy little guy who was absolutely his wife's biatch, and was actually sort of horrified that people existed who used his books a blueprint for real-life relationships (yes they do exist....they're one step below furries on the "Who get to point an Laugh at Who" chart of geeky kinks)
 
2013-07-09 10:56:40 AM
You know... if I boycotted any movie, show, or book because I disagree with something said by a writer, director, or actor... I wouldn't see or read much of anything.

/not defending LDS bigotry - just sayin'
 
mhd
2013-07-09 10:56:54 AM
Hey Orson, I've spoken with apes more polite then you.
 
2013-07-09 10:57:47 AM
I think you should do your best to separate the artist from the art, but everybody has their limits. Card has reached mine. He doesn't just hold bigoted views,he's incredibly vocal and active about it. That makes me super uncomfortable.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all the post ender's game books about how religious intolerance causes all sorts of conflicts between the colonists and natives? It's been a while, but I sort of remember that being the point.
 
2013-07-09 10:58:51 AM
If we hate one author for his views, does that mean we shouldn't read anything from anyone with opposing viewpoints? Even if those viewpoints are hateful and bigoted? If that's the case there's a whole boat load of writers I wouldn't be able to read anything from...

Example 1

/Sorry for the Buzzfeed link, but seriously...
 
2013-07-09 11:00:37 AM
Oh noes someone has an opinion that goes against the collective! I'm going to blog this as soon as I finish rage-vacuuming!
 
2013-07-09 11:01:24 AM

meat0918: you have pee hands: TuteTibiImperes: It's been a while since I've read Ender's Game, but doesn't the book contain multiple scenes involving naked boys wrestling around with each other and whatnot?

This is broadening it a bit but why do sci fi writers all seem to love putting terrible sex scenes in their books?  Can't at least one of them get an editor that decides that the graphic descriptions of sex between future hermaphrodites or future 14 year olds or aliens or whatever doesn't really tell us anything important about the characters or advance the narrative and give those scenes the axe?

Heretics of Dune FTL....


Yes, my respect for Herbert dropped significanty with this book.  The specific Jump The Shark moment for me was the "sex battle" between Idaho and that Honored Matre.
 
2013-07-09 11:02:03 AM
Ender's Game

Sounds homoerotic
 
2013-07-09 11:02:53 AM

master of unlocking: I think you should do your best to separate the artist from the art, but everybody has their limits.


This, right here.
 
2013-07-09 11:06:37 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: meat0918: you have pee hands: TuteTibiImperes: It's been a while since I've read Ender's Game, but doesn't the book contain multiple scenes involving naked boys wrestling around with each other and whatnot?

This is broadening it a bit but why do sci fi writers all seem to love putting terrible sex scenes in their books?  Can't at least one of them get an editor that decides that the graphic descriptions of sex between future hermaphrodites or future 14 year olds or aliens or whatever doesn't really tell us anything important about the characters or advance the narrative and give those scenes the axe?

Heretics of Dune FTL....

Yes, my respect for Herbert dropped significanty with this book.  The specific Jump The Shark moment for me was the "sex battle" between Idaho and that Honored Matre.


For me it was Spice orgy. Water of life? Right
 
2013-07-09 11:07:20 AM
Sorry I support gay rights as many people might have noticed if they notice my insane ramblings at all.  If his work is anti-gay that is one thing but if it isn't then who cares?  I work with a lot of different people every day and some of them have views that I personally consider to be repugnant.  They don't bring them up at work though so I am fully capable of working with them.  I'm not a huge fan of his writing and I think Ender's Game is a boring book but his personal opinions that do not exist in the books he has written does not change my opinion of the books.

Lots of classical authors were racist homophobic dicks as a product of the times they lived in, their works are still considered great works.  OSC's crappy (or good) books are crappy (or good) without any knowledge of his bigotry.

Jesus thought owning slaves was OK as long as you were nice to them, that doesn't automatically invalidate everything the guy stood for.
 
2013-07-09 11:07:25 AM
Many a times I've reached up for a copy of Ender's Game at a bookstore only to remember what sort of douchetard wrote it in the first place, and then I reach for something, anything, else.

/he wants tolerance for his bigotry?
//he can kiss my hairy ass
 
2013-07-09 11:07:47 AM

bukijin: I loved the book when I was a kid. Didn't try and re-read it since then.

So I have to first politically vet every author, filmmaker, actor, artist and entertainer before I know if I can enjoy their art ??



Yes, otherwise you agree with every one of their opinions and that means Newt Gingrich is automatically President for life.
 
2013-07-09 11:08:31 AM
I'll be boycotting it because it doesn't look even remotely interesting.

I saw the preview last week. Commented how to looked like a movie from the 80s, but even that wasn't enough to make me want to see it.
 
2013-07-09 11:09:06 AM

Strayha04: If we hate one author for his views, does that mean we shouldn't read anything from anyone with opposing viewpoints? Even if those viewpoints are hateful and bigoted? If that's the case there's a whole boat load of writers I wouldn't be able to read anything from...


And not just writers. This is a debate I have with folk all the time -- can you separate the art from the artist? I'm a big fan of Mel Gibson movies, even though I acknowledge he's an anti-Semitic douchebag. Can one be a Republican and still enjoy the music of Crosby, Stills & Nash? One of the pre-eminent writers on numismatic history is a convicted child molester -- does that fact invalidate his other work?

I don't have any answers, but as far as the Ender's Game movie, I'll judge it on its artistic merits, and not the political views of the writer or some grip's assistant.
 
2013-07-09 11:10:37 AM

odinsposse: Ender's Game is written about and for smart kids. If you read it when you were an overachieving junior high student a lot of it resonates. All of the people I know who really like it were nerds who read it around that time in their life. If you pick it up when you're older it just doesn't work.


Meh. I was a geeky high school freshman when I read it, it was interesting enough but I'd read plenty of better science fiction by that time.
 
2013-07-09 11:11:09 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: I don't particularly care whether he's a disgusting bigot--that's his business, not mine.
But I'll never forgive him for penning a sequel to Ender's Game. That was a standalone story if there ever was one.


i'll agree that ender's game did not need a sequel, but speaker for the dead is twice as good as ender's game, so i'm glad he wrote it.  speaker is one of the best sci-fi books i've ever read.

Gunny Highway:  I liked Speaker of the Dead more than Ender's Game.

and here i was wondering if i was the only one.
 
2013-07-09 11:11:43 AM

KellyX: Meh, he didn't shove his anti-gay stuff in the book that I recall, did he?


No, he just openly and self-righteously fought against gay people in real life, which is much, much worse. I'm really torn on this because the actors are great. But I don't think I can bring myself to reward OSC.
 
2013-07-09 11:13:11 AM

Egoy3k: Sorry I support gay rights as many people might have noticed if they notice my insane ramblings at all.  If his work is anti-gay that is one thing but if it isn't then who cares?  I work with a lot of different people every day and some of them have views that I personally consider to be repugnant.  They don't bring them up at work though so I am fully capable of working with them.  I'm not a huge fan of his writing and I think Ender's Game is a boring book but his personal opinions that do not exist in the books he has written does not change my opinion of the books.

Lots of classical authors were racist homophobic dicks as a product of the times they lived in, their works are still considered great works.  OSC's crappy (or good) books are crappy (or good) without any knowledge of his bigotry.

Jesus thought owning slaves was OK as long as you were nice to them, that doesn't automatically invalidate everything the guy stood for.


As master of unlockingsaid there are limits. There are lots of writers I disagree with. There are lots of writers whose personal beliefs I don't know. Card doesn't just have bigoted beliefs he's a board member of NOM. He is an active, public figurehead in the fight against civil rights. That is too much to ignore. If Jerry Falwell wrote a novel, even if it was a pretty good novel, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to buy it because he's such a terrible person.
 
2013-07-09 11:13:12 AM

Spad31: This is a non-issue.


No, it will be a non-issue when the gay community doesn't have to deal with hurdles like OSC and NOM.
 
2013-07-09 11:13:30 AM
Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.

Right, because a judicial decision about gay marriage is going to stop homophobes from being raging, loud-mouthed assholes.  Go fark yourself.
 
2013-07-09 11:13:49 AM

yukichigai: bdub77: This is mostly why I won't see Ender's Game and why I stopped reading his books after I found out what type of person he was. Even if he weren't a homophobe, Orson Scott Card is a raging asshole. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed plenty of books and movies written by raging assholes, but his books are also incredibly overrated. Meh.

The difference is, he doesn't inject his bigotry or his raving assholism into his books for the most part.  That's why I have no problem reading what he writes.

He may have distressing personal views, but at least he isn't trying to use his books as a medium to push those views.  Go look at someone like John Norman or L. Ron Hubbard.


and to expand on your main point,  Heinlien had extremely strong, very right-wing poltical views, and he was not shy about sharing them in his essays, but in his novels and stories he was more circumspect,  yes he wrote Starship Troopers, a book many consider to be an endorsement of fascism, but he wrote what many consider to be one of seminal works of the hippie culture Stranger in Stange Land at the exact same time. A book that forces you to think or consider arguments you had not before, I have no objections to, but a book that is thinly veiled propaganda for the author's poltical or moral views I have ZERO patience for.  I recall a series I once picked up a used book store that started entertainingly enough, but then every single gorram book devolved into a paen to libertarianism so extreme even Ron Paul would say "Whoa there big fella, ease back on the stick a bit yeah?".  Or the most classic modern example, would be everything Terry Goodkind wrote after the first Sword Of Truth book, where a promising series devolved into nothing more than incompetent plotting overlaying  a mix of fan-fic level S&M fantasies and laughable poltical rantings.  That's unforgiveable to me.  And the Hamlet revision OSC apparently wrote sounds like it's in that company
 
2013-07-09 11:14:49 AM
Egoy3k:
Lots of classical authors were racist homophobic dicks as a product of the times they lived in, their works are still considered great works.  OSC's crappy (or good) books are crappy (or good) without any knowledge of his bigotry.

Yea, but they're all dead, and not actively trying to oppress people.
 
2013-07-09 11:16:05 AM

Mike Chewbacca: KellyX: Meh, he didn't shove his anti-gay stuff in the book that I recall, did he?

No, he just openly and self-righteously fought against gay people in real life, which is much, much worse. I'm really torn on this because the actors are great. But I don't think I can bring myself to reward OSC.


And he and his lost the battle more or less, he even admits this will eventually become the law of the land... Least he isn't still trying to deny reality, and even if he was, who cares, they lost... move on.
 
2013-07-09 11:16:14 AM

Strayha04: If we hate one author for his views, does that mean we shouldn't read anything from anyone with opposing viewpoints? Even if those viewpoints are hateful and bigoted? If that's the case there's a whole boat load of writers I wouldn't be able to read anything from...

Example 1

/Sorry for the Buzzfeed link, but seriously...


That's an interesting list, I didn't realize that anti-semitism was so rampant amongst otherwise well respected authors.

I wonder how much of that comes from the cult of personality that many famous authors attract.  Someone starts out with a bigoted view, then they end up writing a hugely popular novel and are suddenly surrounded by people telling them how brilliant they are, which is likely to go to their heads and lead them to think that every idea they have is now brilliant and sacrosanct, so biases that they may have grown out of due to exposure and life experience with those that they disagreed with instead get forged into deep rooted beliefs.
 
2013-07-09 11:16:19 AM
Is he still Islamophobic?
 
2013-07-09 11:16:54 AM

flaminio: Strayha04: If we hate one author for his views, does that mean we shouldn't read anything from anyone with opposing viewpoints? Even if those viewpoints are hateful and bigoted? If that's the case there's a whole boat load of writers I wouldn't be able to read anything from...

And not just writers. This is a debate I have with folk all the time -- can you separate the art from the artist? I'm a big fan of Mel Gibson movies, even though I acknowledge he's an anti-Semitic douchebag. Can one be a Republican and still enjoy the music of Crosby, Stills & Nash? One of the pre-eminent writers on numismatic history is a convicted child molester -- does that fact invalidate his other work?

I don't have any answers, but as far as the Ender's Game movie, I'll judge it on its artistic merits, and not the political views of the writer or some grip's assistant.


Exactly. And, as I said before, a lot of people have a lot invested in this movie. Is it really fair to screw everyone over the douchey actions of an individual?

Also, shouldn't you judge a movie differently from the book? I've never read Ender's Game, but the trailer makes the movie look half way decent. I'll probably see it just to turn my brain off for an hour and a half.
 
2013-07-09 11:16:57 AM

LewDux: Smoky Dragon Dish: meat0918: you have pee hands: TuteTibiImperes: It's been a while since I've read Ender's Game, but doesn't the book contain multiple scenes involving naked boys wrestling around with each other and whatnot?

This is broadening it a bit but why do sci fi writers all seem to love putting terrible sex scenes in their books?  Can't at least one of them get an editor that decides that the graphic descriptions of sex between future hermaphrodites or future 14 year olds or aliens or whatever doesn't really tell us anything important about the characters or advance the narrative and give those scenes the axe?

Heretics of Dune FTL....

Yes, my respect for Herbert dropped significanty with this book.  The specific Jump The Shark moment for me was the "sex battle" between Idaho and that Honored Matre.

For me it was Spice orgy. Water of life? Right


I read Dune in 6th grade, and sheltered as I was, had no idea what an orgy was.  I thought "drug induced dance party".

At least he didn't detail it as much as he did the the Idaho/Murbella thing.
 
2013-07-09 11:17:39 AM
Rolander: Is this like not reading/watching Game of Thrones because you don't like fat people who write really slowly?

No.

If you isolate yourself from people you don't agree with everything on you will end up being a very dumb person.

Okay then.
 
2013-07-09 11:19:27 AM
So wait, for decades he's been the most outspoken bigot in sci-fi, and now he wants me to shut up and give him my money? And if I don't put dollars in his pocket, I'm being unreasonable to a political opponent who happens to disagree with me?

Let me just consider that for a se - all right, Orson,  NOPE.  You're not entitled to my financial support for your movie, you horse's ass. Civil rights and human rights are not policy issues that polite people can politely disagree about.  Particularly in this case, where Card was actively engaged in denying equal rights to LGBTQ people by promoting bigotry.  This is what his fans' financial support allows him to do.

In any case, I don't want anything to do with the movie adaptation of his boring story that celebrates eugenics, child soldiers and xenophobia, with a side slice of Reagan-style foreign policy fantasy.  The book lacks literary merit, and unlike many politicized cultural works in the American style, it doesn't even have any element of awesome kitsch to make up for it.  (Ender's Game's contemporary Red Dawn, on the other hand?  A+)  This was my opinion well before I knew he was a bigot.
 
2013-07-09 11:19:57 AM

Strayha04: But aren't you also forcibly screwing over a bunch of other people who don't share the same views and are just trying to make a good/decent/okay movie?


Well, those people chose to work with somebody who is this openly bigoted. They are not innocent little snowflakes in this scenario.
 
2013-07-09 11:20:03 AM

Mike Chewbacca: KellyX: Meh, he didn't shove his anti-gay stuff in the book that I recall, did he?

No, he just openly and self-righteously fought against gay people in real life, which is much, much worse. I'm really torn on this because the actors are great. But I don't think I can bring myself to reward OSC.


I'm the same way with Roman Polanski movies. I don't care how good they are or what actors are in them, I just can't bring myself to support any of his projects considering what a repulsive person he is.
 
2013-07-09 11:23:37 AM

Magorn: yukichigai: bdub77: This is mostly why I won't see Ender's Game and why I stopped reading his books after I found out what type of person he was. Even if he weren't a homophobe, Orson Scott Card is a raging asshole. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed plenty of books and movies written by raging assholes, but his books are also incredibly overrated. Meh.

The difference is, he doesn't inject his bigotry or his raving assholism into his books for the most part.  That's why I have no problem reading what he writes.

He may have distressing personal views, but at least he isn't trying to use his books as a medium to push those views.  Go look at someone like John Norman or L. Ron Hubbard.

and to expand on your main point,  Heinlien had extremely strong, very right-wing poltical views, and he was not shy about sharing them in his essays, but in his novels and stories he was more circumspect,  yes he wrote Starship Troopers, a book many consider to be an endorsement of fascism, but he wrote what many consider to be one of seminal works of the hippie culture Stranger in Stange Land at the exact same time. A book that forces you to think or consider arguments you had not before, I have no objections to, but a book that is thinly veiled propaganda for the author's poltical or moral views I have ZERO patience for.  I recall a series I once picked up a used book store that started entertainingly enough, but then every single gorram book devolved into a paen to libertarianism so extreme even Ron Paul would say "Whoa there big fella, ease back on the stick a bit yeah?".  Or the most classic modern example, would be everything Terry Goodkind wrote after the first Sword Of Truth book, where a promising series devolved into nothing more than incompetent plotting overlaying  a mix of fan-fic level S&M fantasies and laughable poltical rantings.  That's unforgiveable to me.  And the Hamlet revision OSC apparently wrote sounds like it's in that company


These books had potential, or so I thought.  I should have known something was up when they were sent to my kids from my mother, who NEVER sends any books unless it's a bible or bible stories.

Then we started reading them with the kids.  It's heavy handed biblical literature, not even a little bit thinly veiled, and trying way to hard.  At least C.S. Lewis is readable and enjoyable.
 
2013-07-09 11:23:50 AM
I wrote a blog post about this earlier this morning.  Don't really want to repeat myself, so posting link here. Not sure if this is against Fark TOS (Couldn't find anything applicable), or would be considered AWing. Modmins, delete if so, and a mea culpa in advance.

http://touchoflunacy.com/2013/07/open-letter-to-orson-scott-card-on- to lerance/

/Yeah, my blog sucks.
//Not my blog, I just write something there every 6 months or so.
///Three slashies.  Five is right out.
////<praying>Please oh please don't Fark the server.</praying>
 
2013-07-09 11:23:59 AM
It's not easy for me to pass judgement on this. 18 years of Christian indoctrination has its permanent scars, and I've enjoyed reading quite a few of Card's books.

So, to help me get perspective, I read his statement like this:


Ender's Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984.

With the recent Supreme Court ruling, the gay marriage negro slavery issue becomes moot.  The Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution 13th Amendment will, sooner or later, give legal force in every state to any marriage contract recognized by any other state make free every black man, woman, and child.

Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents opponents of gay marriage negro slavery will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.


There. That's better. While not at all equal in injustice, the comparison is still valid.

So no, Mr. Card. No tolerance for slavers - I mean, opponents of gay marriage. We the People are still attempting to ensure that all people are treated equally in the eyes of the law. Odd how 150 years changes things - R's used to be proponents of that equality!
 
2013-07-09 11:24:22 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Strayha04: But aren't you also forcibly screwing over a bunch of other people who don't share the same views and are just trying to make a good/decent/okay movie?

Well, those people chose to work with somebody who is this openly bigoted. They are not innocent little snowflakes in this scenario.


While I understand what you mean... it's not like everyone knows this. I had no idea who this douche was until these articles about boycotts started popping up. I doubt everyone who is involved with the movie was given background information regarding the original author and told to choose between what they believe in or a paycheck.... Though I probably would have taken the paycheck regardless.
 
2013-07-09 11:24:41 AM
Magorn:

Diogenes: If anything I get an icky feeling with his obsession over militarized little boys.  But whatevs.  I'll reserve judgement until I've finished it.

there is something about how he writes children, how he insists on   making them minature adults to the point where barely adolescent kids are nonetheless great military leader or poltical thinkers that just REALLY gives off a pedophile vibe to me, as many pedos justify thier actions by claiming their victims were "very mature for thier age"


How many of his works feature scenes with naked children (usually boys)?


Ender's Game, check.  Xenocide, check.  Ender's Shadow, check.  Worthing Saga, check.  Songmaster, check.  A couple more short stories from Maps in a Mirror that I don't remember the names of, check.
 
2013-07-09 11:24:49 AM

rwhamann: hinten: "Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute."

What exactly kind of a tolerance is he looking for here? That statement/threat doesn't even make any sense.

Wouldn't not going to see his movie because you disagree with his views be a perfect example of the free market?  Why do you hate the free market, Mr Card?


Is he actually saying: tolerance = "you must see my movie" or "you must not boycott my movie because of my opinion"?

What a bizarre statement coming from a bizarre little man.
 
2013-07-09 11:25:29 AM
I love how he's playing the "tolerate the intolerant" card. I'm sorry, OSC, you used to be cool but then you not only were against marriage equality, which I would be willing to forgive as a difference of opinion, but you  actively fought it and used your standing to lie about homosexuals, repeatedly. You don't get to slander and entire group and then say, "well, you won so let's all be friends now."

So screw you, Card. You aren't seeing another dime from me. I can bloody well wait until the movie reaches basic cable before I see it.
 
2013-07-09 11:25:31 AM

that bosnian sniper: The man is entitled to his opinions, however repulsive they may be. Unless he's doing something like donating proceeds of the film, or dedicating it to, a group like the FRC, NOM, or AFA, there's no point to berating him for having a belief.  Birth of a Nation for gays, this is certainly not.


OSC is on the board of directors for NOM.
 
2013-07-09 11:26:21 AM

Rolander: Is this like not reading/watching Game of Thrones because you don't like fat people who write really slowly?

If you isolate yourself from people you don't agree with everything on you will end up being a very dumb person.


Writing slowly and being overweight isn't actively lobbying to take away rights and suppress a group you disagree with and call immoral.  If you don't understand the difference, that's pathetic.

I don't isolate myself from people I don't agree with, I don't patronize and fund bigotry and hate.
 
2013-07-09 11:27:51 AM
It's hilarious when the "wrong side of history" people start playing their victim cards as that's usually the time when they lose the hand and tap out.
 
2013-07-09 11:28:08 AM
I stopped liking Card after 9/11 when he wrote an editorial about what America should do next. It was basically: Bomb everyone who isn't Isreal in the Middle East, ignore any allies who complain and start kicking people out of the country now. It wasn't the content that upset me, it was the tone of the piece, he made it sound like every other option was childish and beneath contempt.
I still read the rest of the Shadow books after that and someof his American horror works(he writes creepy stuff pretty well).

Aside from the usual Hyper-Pro-America stuff (which can sometimes make reading some writers difficult or at least tedious)his politics never seem to drift into his stories that I have seen, although he did go off on Family Courts giving full custody to unfit mothers over the fathers objections in one. haunted house book(can't remember the name).
I don't like the guy but if I never read things by people I disagre with I'd never read anything challenging.
 
2013-07-09 11:28:34 AM

Strayha04: The My Little Pony Killer: Strayha04: But aren't you also forcibly screwing over a bunch of other people who don't share the same views and are just trying to make a good/decent/okay movie?

Well, those people chose to work with somebody who is this openly bigoted. They are not innocent little snowflakes in this scenario.

While I understand what you mean... it's not like everyone knows this. I had no idea who this douche was until these articles about boycotts started popping up. I doubt everyone who is involved with the movie was given background information regarding the original author and told to choose between what they believe in or a paycheck.... Though I probably would have taken the paycheck regardless.


Fighting to give them a paycheck is fighting to give OSC a paycheck, and I will not support his bigotry. No, not even to support those who were unfortunate to be "stuck" working with him.

/none of them could have hopped on wikipedia to get an idea of the project they were about to work on?
//none of them at all?
 
2013-07-09 11:28:36 AM
The first three Ender's books were pretty good.  The Worthing Saga was also pretty good.
 
2013-07-09 11:28:49 AM

Egoy3k: Lots of classical authors were racist homophobic dicks as a product of the times they lived in, their works are still considered great works.


But Orson Scott Card is the product of  our times.

And you'd be surprised.  A lot of classical authors were not racist homophobic dicks.  Artists and writers throughout history have frequently taken the lead in challenging unjust social conditions.  The ability to see the common thread of humanity in people different from yourself - which is impossible for racists and homophobes - actually produces better and more interesting art (although nothing will ever sell me on Dickens.)
 
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