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(Daily Mail)   How did Osama avoid US drones? He wore a cowboy hat. Wait, pretending to be a douche from Texas is all you need to avoid detection? Well howdy farkers   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-07-09 11:35:30 AM  
Mehh, I used to think I was a cowboy too.
Come to find out, I am just another lesbian.
 
2013-07-09 11:36:25 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: The courier thing is the hardest, though. It is human nature to not abandon a trusted employee/friend, but at some point a person like that is a liability if they can be identified. Of course, recruiting new couriers that can be trusted is also very problematic, so there is no easy answer here.

With as fast as information travels in this day and age it will become increasingly impossible for anyone to dissapear unless they literally live a solitary life off the grid.


Actually, OBL pretty much did that.

The best thing you can do, if you are worried about that sort of thing, is get rid of the cellphone in your pocket.  Without that, they actually have to *LOOK* for you, which is harder and more expensive.

You can live "on the grid", but somewhat offline.  But if you're really, really paranoid, like John Connor-type paranoid, living off the grid isn't really all that hard to do.  Go low profile.  No cell phones.  Receive-only electronics (things like GPS receivers, radio receivers, broadcast TV receivers, all OK).  Go "Green", relying on solar or other renewable resources for power and heat.   If you must actually communicate, use commonly available handheld radios for short-range stuff, keep transmissions short, and be mindful of what you say.
 
2013-07-09 11:38:07 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Submitter sounds like a dumbass city slicker


Could be worse...could be a retarted hillbilly.
 
2013-07-09 11:41:20 AM  

Zeno-25: I always figured a wide-brimmed had would be a good way to avoid being seen by most security cameras, but I doubt a big hat really helped hide OBL when he was the only 7' tall guy around or however tall he was.


Actually, I am guessing a cowboy hat would be one of the BEST ways to obscure your freakish height.  If you can pull it down farther than they are normally worn, people who see you and have the natural "woah that guy is tall" reaction, would then logically take in the hat and think "oh, he is tall, but not THAT tall, he is just wearing a hat that makes him appear larger than he really is"

My take anyways.  It obviously only sort of worked.  10 years is a long time to hide, but Americans are nothing if not persistant.  And a cowboy hat isn't going to stop a bullet.
 
2013-07-09 11:42:35 AM  
he went to Clearwater Beach

cache.marriott.com
 
2013-07-09 11:44:51 AM  
you'd think someone wearing a cowboy hat in their yard in Pakistan would stick out like a sore thumb.
 
2013-07-09 11:46:00 AM  

topcon: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]


Made me giggle. How is everything from the great satin evil unless convenient for them.
 
2013-07-09 11:46:31 AM  

Red_Fox: Smeggy Smurf: Submitter sounds like a dumbass city slicker

Could be worse...could be a retarted hillbilly.


I'm going to just bold this little gem and leave it out there.  No snark needed.
 
2013-07-09 11:49:11 AM  

JonnyG: He avoided the wrath of US drones because there were never any drones looking for him. But as long as it continues to pad the story...


Yeah, they said he died in 2001. Something about his liver falling out.
 
2013-07-09 11:49:48 AM  
"Pakistani doctor Shakeel Afridi helped the U. S. track down Osama bin Laden. He was sentenced to 33 years in prison for 'conspiring against the state'"

So if having Osama was part of the state or in the interest of the state then that means they were harboring Osama and we should just go ahead and nuke 'em from orbit.
 
2013-07-09 11:54:56 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Red_Fox: Smeggy Smurf: Submitter sounds like a dumbass city slicker

Could be worse...could be a retarted hillbilly.

I'm going to just bold this little gem and leave it out there.  No snark needed.


Oh_Snap!.jpg

/Did someone get told?
//Yes?
/OH SNAP!
 
2013-07-09 11:56:45 AM  
The Pakistani government arrested Afridi and he remains in prison, sentenced to more than three decades behind bars.Despite the doctor's key role in the mission's success, the United States has done little to secure his release.

'[T]he fact is that he was arrested 3 weeks after the raid during which time the CIA could have ferreted him out of the country.'



That right there is bullshiate from the part of the Obama admin.

The dude put his life and who knows how many more of his families\relatives etc at stake. The Obama admin should've done more than just a token mention of giving him and his wife possible relocation to places Springfield Missouri.


It's akin to offering someone $10 after he risked his life to save yours. What an insult!
 
2013-07-09 11:59:22 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: The Pakistani government arrested Afridi and he remains in prison, sentenced to more than three decades behind bars.Despite the doctor's key role in the mission's success, the United States has done little to secure his release.

'[T]he fact is that he was arrested 3 weeks after the raid during which time the CIA could have ferreted him out of the country.'


That right there is bullshiate from the part of the Obama admin.

The dude put his life and who knows how many more of his families\relatives etc at stake. The Obama admin should've done more than just a token mention of giving him and his wife possible relocation to places Springfield Missouri.


It's akin to offering someone $10 after he risked his life to save yours. What an insult!


but what's teh admin password
 
2013-07-09 12:01:04 PM  
Say 'douche from Texas' again, subby.

(he's referring to Austin, you know)
 
2013-07-09 12:07:50 PM  
He kinda looks like Gabby Hayes.

i.dailymail.co.uk

www.possumsal.com
 
2013-07-09 12:08:50 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: Certainly, if I were a Pakistani, and even if I believed in getting rid of Al Qaeda, I wouldn't work with the US. Not after seeing that.

Dude we were offering truck loads of cash as well......and even the poorest of the poor in Pakistan never took that deal up.

I just cannot fathom the levels of hate we've fostered in that region.


I think part of it was just people keeping their heads down.  Paying too much attention to drug lords and gangsters (which is what they thought he was) can be hazardous to your health.  Much better to stick to your own business.
 
2013-07-09 12:30:53 PM  
What real Texas working cowboy hats used to look like, before the movies. And they got wider the further south.

//Near the equator, they were almost 4 meters wide and needed a pair of horses, one on each side, just to keep the ends from hitting the ground.

sunbody.typepad.com
 
2013-07-09 12:31:34 PM  
BitwiseShift: Liberating Terrorizing Windows users since 1993.

AAPFY.
 
2013-07-09 12:33:58 PM  

BitwiseShift: And they got wider the further south.

//Near the equator, they were almost 4 meters wide and needed a pair of horses, one on each side, just to keep the ends from hitting the ground.


The boots get longer too.

blog.shoemetro.com
 
2013-07-09 12:41:47 PM  
It worked for Bush all those years.
 
2013-07-09 12:45:19 PM  
I thought being a Texan was the surest way to the up executed./from Texas
 
2013-07-09 12:49:52 PM  

offmymeds: He kinda looks like Gabby Hayes.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]

[www.possumsal.com image 400x481]


George Carlin did something once about how we always associate beards with evil people.

Osama bin Laden had a BEARD.  Gabby Hayes had WHISKERS.
 
2013-07-09 12:50:12 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu:

blog.shoemetro.com 
The boots get longer too.


Those make it really hard to pee when you're loaded with cerveza.
//Of course, at the equator don't liquid float upwards?
 
2013-07-09 12:56:44 PM  
Where his entorage dressed as a biker, a sailor, an indian(feather not dot), and a construction worker?
 
2013-07-09 01:12:12 PM  
Kind of a stupid idea if you ask me. If I'm looking at drone photos and I see the only guy in Pakistan wearing a cowboy hat I'm gonna take a second look. You would think he would want to do nothing out of the ordinary including dressing like the locals.
 
2013-07-09 01:17:16 PM  
If he really wanted to use a hat to keep from being identified he should have worn a sombrero.

Real working cowboys have hats with flat brims to keep the sun and rain off better. The hats with the curved sides came into fashion so they could fit 3 in a pickup truck.
 
2013-07-09 01:21:48 PM  
WTF is a  Nave SEAL?
 popcornworld.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-09 01:23:15 PM  

angstycoder: As someone who lived in TX for several years, nice try on getting me to wear that stupid-assed hat.


As someone who's lived in TX for several decades, I concur.
 
2013-07-09 01:33:36 PM  
 So we have stealthy robotic assassins striking targets around the world often without the nation's permission, our intelligence services are accessing all phone calls and internet traffic with impugnity (including every bit of data on their own citizens - which would have given the Stasi a boner), we have a "free" press which is so addicted to access and jingoism that it freely demonizes the people our government wants it to demonize (which would have given Herman Goering a boner), police forces making an end-run around posse comitatus by having turned themselves in to defacto military forces with gear that many nations would envy, are openly engaging in wars that are endless by definition, lock up even more of our own citizens then even the most populous nation on the planet, are brazenly blowing through whatever resources we can with little or no regard to the future ("Drill baby drill!").... and more.

But all that isn't enough, so we can't even be bothered to lift a finger to help the guy who was instrumental in helping us kill our public enemy #1.

Wow... I mean, it's like our country WANTS to be the cartoonish bad guys in a scifi novel.
 
2013-07-09 01:37:10 PM  
FTFA
Bin Laden was in the habit of wearing a cowboy hat in his Abbottabad compound because he thought it would shield him from U.S. drones
As we checked out the compound we also learned that he frequently dressed as a woman when he went in the back yard.  He was known as the pacer because he would walk around the balconies or yard.  Sometimes he was on the phone, sometimes he was pacing with other women, sometimes he was just pacing by himself.

He spent his last night with his youngest wife, and the two initially thought the noise from approaching Chinook helicopters was just a rainstorm
Also UBL and the other bad guys armed in the compound had M-16s (see firearms guide).  What a great bit of reporting this is, the Chinook (carrying the Army Rangers) didn't show up until after UBL was dead.  As for the sound of helicopters, they probably thought the sound was from helicopters!  The compound was right next to a military training base.  Third point, let's not forget the first helicopter loaded with SEALs crashed into the compound wall.  Everybody in the compound knew that there was a helicopter in the yard.  Next thought, where do they come up with this crap?  The SEALS were there less than 40 minutes, and so far no reporter has run to the presses screaming about their exclusive interview with any of the UBL wives.  How does anyone know what UBL and his youngest wife "think they heard?"

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

A Pakistani government commission decided that killing bin Laden was an act of 'murder' - and that he was a 'victim'
So?  It is not like the US and Pakistan are BFFs.

Bin Laden was so secretive about his compound that he and his followers waited until after an earthquake to add a third story to the house
Again, what report was this information pulled from?  Did some UBL historian get a Freedom of Information Act request for all satellite footage of the area for the last 10 years?  UBL was born a rich little brat, who used his money to fulfill his dreams of becoming a warlord.  In less than 30 years he accomplished something tantamount to the French Foreign Legion.  He made training camps which turned out tens of thousands of fighters, a few speculate it could maybe have been more than 100,000 fighters.  When you are numero uno on the US hit list, you probably would be wise to keep a low profile.  That being said, where does this bull come from?

Dr. Shakeel Afridi, now imprisoned in Pakistan for helping the U.S., wasn't arrested for three weeks following the raid, allowing the CIA time to help him escape if U.S. officials had wanted to help him
Again where is the reporter who scooped the Afridi interview?
 
2013-07-09 01:41:44 PM  

happydude45: If he really wanted to use a hat to keep from being identified he should have worn a sombrero.

Real working cowboys have hats with flat brims to keep the sun and rain off better. The hats with the curved sides came into fashion so they could fit 3 in a pickup truck.


What  fake working cowboys with silly curved brims might look like:


azcitieswork.com
 
2013-07-09 01:42:51 PM  

dittybopper: Even better is this:

The Pakistani government arrested Afridi and he remains in prison, sentenced to more than three decades behind bars. Despite the doctor's key role in the mission's success, the United States has done little to secure his release.

'[T]he fact is that he was arrested 3 weeks after the raid during which time the CIA could have ferreted him out of the country.'

Regardless of how you feel about the raid itself, the fact that we essentially abandoned Afridi is going to give others who might be willing to work with the US pause.

Certainly, if I were a Pakistani, and even if I believed in getting rid of Al Qaeda, I wouldn't work with the US.  Not after seeing that.


You sir, are correct... there was actually a series of articles that came out last year, or earlier this year talking about the fact that the US had arranged to have thousands of visas for Iraqis who helped the US. Instead of using the visas, the US government has just let the people, who help to further the mission, get slaughtered.
 
2013-07-09 01:59:03 PM  

davidab: FTFA
Bin Laden was in the habit of wearing a cowboy hat in his Abbottabad compound because he thought it would shield him from U.S. drones
As we checked out the compound we also learned that he frequently dressed as a woman when he went in the back yard.  He was known as the pacer because he would walk around the balconies or yard.  Sometimes he was on the phone, sometimes he was pacing with other women, sometimes he was just pacing by himself.

He spent his last night with his youngest wife, and the two initially thought the noise from approaching Chinook helicopters was just a rainstorm
Also UBL and the other bad guys armed in the compound had M-16s (see firearms guide).  What a great bit of reporting this is, the Chinook (carrying the Army Rangers) didn't show up until after UBL was dead.  As for the sound of helicopters, they probably thought the sound was from helicopters!  The compound was right next to a military training base.  Third point, let's not forget the first helicopter loaded with SEALs crashed into the compound wall.  Everybody in the compound knew that there was a helicopter in the yard.  Next thought, where do they come up with this crap?  The SEALS were there less than 40 minutes, and so far no reporter has run to the presses screaming about their exclusive interview with any of the UBL wives.  How does anyone know what UBL and his youngest wife "think they heard?"

A Pakistani government commission decided that killing bin Laden was an act of 'murder' - and that he was a 'victim'
So?  It is not like the US and Pakistan are BFFs.

Bin Laden was so secretive about his compound that he and his followers waited until after an earthquake to add a third story to the house
Again, what report was this information pulled from?  Did some UBL historian get a Freedom of Information Act request for all satellite footage of the area for the last 10 years?  UBL was born a rich little brat, who used his money to fulfill his dreams of becoming a warlord.  In less than 30 years he accomplished something tantamount to the French Foreign Legion.  He made training camps which turned out tens of thousands of fighters, a few speculate it could maybe have been more than 100,000 fighters.  When you are numero uno on the US hit list, you probably would be wise to keep a low profile.  That being said, where does this bull come from?

Dr. Shakeel Afridi, now imprisoned in Pakistan for helping the U.S., wasn't arrested for three weeks following the raid, allowing the CIA time to help him escape if U.S. officials had wanted to help him
Again where is the reporter who scooped the Afridi interview?


Wanna know how I know you didn't RTFA?

Hint: The "who scooped the interview" question you asked about six times is answered in the first real sentence.
 
2013-07-09 02:02:19 PM  

davidab: Bin Laden was so secretive about his compound that he and his followers waited until after an earthquake to add a third story to the house
Again, what report was this information pulled from?


Google Earth, with history mode turned on?

https://plus.google.com/110846614650001805929/about?gl=US&hl=en-US&ve d =0CA4Q2QY&sa=X&ei=AVDcUfXaKYaviAK8sYDgBA" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(34, 0, 193); text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; ">Osama Bin Laden's Hideout CompoundBilal Town, Abbottābad, Pakistan
 
2013-07-09 03:06:42 PM  
If'n you were OBL and paying for protection, the hat is a real good idea.

There is a basic flaw in the concept of "hiding" under a farking cowboy hat in Farawayistan.
 
2013-07-09 04:09:33 PM  

snocone: If'n you were OBL and paying for protection, the hat is a real good idea.

There is a basic flaw in the concept of "hiding" under a farking cowboy hat in Farawayistan.


That's a fact. I would think a burqa or something else of the local nature might have been more appropriate.
 
2013-07-09 04:13:23 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: he went to Clearwater Beach

[cache.marriott.com image 850x486]


He ran away when L Ron Hubbard's minions tried to get a hold of him
 
2013-07-09 04:59:15 PM  
Nah, I reckon anyone not wanting to be noticed should wear a huge sombrero and shades.
 
2013-07-09 05:12:30 PM  

dittybopper: Even better is this:

The Pakistani government arrested Afridi and he remains in prison, sentenced to more than three decades behind bars. Despite the doctor's key role in the mission's success, the United States has done little to secure his release.

'[T]he fact is that he was arrested 3 weeks after the raid during which time the CIA could have ferreted him out of the country.'

Regardless of how you feel about the raid itself, the fact that we essentially abandoned Afridi is going to give others who might be willing to work with the US pause.

Certainly, if I were a Pakistani, and even if I believed in getting rid of Al Qaeda, I wouldn't work with the US.  Not after seeing that.


Because I take everything I read in a news publication at face value.
 
2013-07-09 05:57:02 PM  
alexbrowning.files.wordpress.com

Cowboy hats. Is there anything they can't hide from us?
 
2013-07-09 07:51:29 PM  
This reminds me of a book written by a Marine officer who was in charge of a recon unit in Vietnam.  He mentioned using a high tech device to listen in on enemy communications.  The device was really simple looking, just a box with a wire to loop around the comm line.  Once the loop was connected it couldn't be released without setting of a charge inside the box.  It was considered tamper proof and since he didn't have to splice into the comm line was also considered undetectable.  Right after the first one was put in, he got word the box went silent in the matter of hours after went into the jungle to tap the comm line.  He went back a couple more times placing a new device with the same results, the device went missing.  The final time his team went on such mission, he held for awhile and watched the device to see if they could figure out why such a great device was failing.  It turned out the enemy sent a kid with a stick with a rope loop on the end, and as the kid walked along the comm line he scooped up the device and took it to the other end where it could be removed without setting off the charge.  Of course the Marine officer put an end to risking a few lives to have their efforts beaten by a kid with a stick.
 
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