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(The New York Times)   Egypt's interim leadership lays out play for a fast transition, trying to strike that crucial balance between "actually accomplish something" and "get beheaded by angry mob"   (nytimes.com ) divider line
    More: Obvious, Egypt, fast, Egyptian Military, constitutional court, interim, ElBaradei, Hosni Mubarak  
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2013-07-09 10:22:18 AM  
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IdBeCrazyIf: Seems like only the extremists are upset over the military stepping in, and sounds increasingly like the moderates and liberals are telling them to go farking fly a kite.


Yes and no. The MB actually is the moderate islamist organization in the middle east. Their ouster in Egypt negatively impacts the Brotherhood orgs in Syria, Tunisia, and Jordan. The various jihadist factions are now pointing to Cairo and saying-- "See, democracy won't allow a legitimately elected Islamic org to stay in power. We have to go kill people and seize power if we want it." The tough spot the military has put itself in- Even though they weren't big fans of the MB, they have now given legitimacy to large-scale unrest as a form of political participation and weakened their position for governing /maintaining order going forward. The next civilian branch formed may face the same protests when the economy or social landscape gets rough. Does the military then remove them and further weaken their position? Rinse, repeat every 6 months until the country becomes a chaotic protest culture that devolves into civil war? Democracy is chipping away at the military's control of Egypt. They need a civilian branch they can work with co-operatively and one they are willing to defend in the face of widespread protests and economic stress.
2013-07-09 12:01:08 PM  
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IamAwake: In our first trip to Iraq in the early 90s, the military was pretty self-sufficient with most things, logistics aside. A mere decade later - not so much. Converting the contractors to regulars is one thing, but why were the regulars turned into contractors in the last 10-20 years in the first place?


Because it allows you to funnel money to your friends and neighbors?
2013-07-09 11:30:29 AM  
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IamAwake:   I mean really, why the fark are we hiring outside contractors to be security details for military, at a much higher cost?

Because "Smaller Gov."

Gov (R) : Save money. Show us how to save money and we'll do it.

Me: Let's convert these three contractors to permanent employees. Even after Fringe/Benefits we will save $100k out of my $3mil budget straight up on FTE cost/year, increase employee satisfaction, reduce turnover, decrease training expenses, and increase customer/stakeholder satisfaction.

Gov (R) : Sorry. We are not creating new State positions at this time. Carry on.
2013-07-09 10:59:03 AM  
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plewis: Yes and no. The MB actually is the moderate islamist organization in the middle east. Their ouster in Egypt negatively impacts the Brotherhood orgs in Syria, Tunisia, and Jordan. The various jihadist factions are now pointing to Cairo and saying-- "See, democracy won't allow a legitimately elected Islamic org to stay in power. We have to go kill people and seize power if we want it." The tough spot the military has put itself in- Even though they weren't big fans of the MB, they have now given legitimacy to large-scale unrest as a form of political participation and weakened their position for governing /maintaining order going forward. The next civilian branch formed may face the same protests when the economy or social landscape gets rough. Does the military then remove them and further weaken their position? Rinse, repeat every 6 months until the country becomes a chaotic protest culture that devolves into civil war? Democracy is chipping away at the military's control of Egypt. They need a civilian branch they can work with co-operatively and one they are willing to defend in the face of widespread protests and economic stress.

Yes, but it was an Islamist organization in an increasingly secular country.  Egyptians looked around at Afghanistan and Iran and decided that that wasn't acceptable.  They tried the democratic process, appealing to the officials in charge and appealing to the courts.  They got nowhere so they went to the streets.  The military benefits from a stable society and did what they did the last time people went to the streets.  The funny thing about the Military in Egypt is that they have no ideology.  They simply want everyone to chill the fark out.  WHY?  Because they are both a military and the largest diversified corporation in the country, running hotels, manufacturing, etc.  Unrest is bad for business.


So what happens when a democratically elected Egyptian government seeks to divest the military from its privileged economic position?
2013-07-09 10:47:08 AM  
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plewis: Many will die or blow themselves up.


Or as we call it in the Middle East, Tuesday.
2013-07-09 09:57:09 AM  
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  I wonder what would happen in America if the military stepped in and suspended America's constitution.

Much more effective if you chip away at it over several decades.  Nobody seems to notice as much
 
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