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2013-07-09 08:50:08 AM  
It's a shame Obama decided healthcare reform was more important than creating jobs in 2009, because if he hadn't everyone of those guys would still be in office and Congress would have actually been able to pass legislation.
 
2013-07-09 08:51:34 AM  
Why, suddenly, now? Although kudos to them all, they sacrificed their careers to make Obamacare a reality. God willing the deluded loons in their districts who bought the Tea Party line are realizing what a terrible mistake they made and will send sensible people back to Congress in 2014.

But probably not.
 
2013-07-09 08:54:53 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's a shame Obama decided healthcare reform was more important than creating jobs in 2009, because if he hadn't everyone of those guys would still be in office and Congress would have actually been able to pass legislation.


Or, an opposition party devoted to stalling the country and fomenting division for no other reason than to make the other guys look bad would still have done so, and we'd be exactly where we are today. Except without healthcare reform.
 
2013-07-09 08:55:37 AM  

clambam: Why, suddenly, now? Although kudos to them all, they sacrificed their careers to make Obamacare a reality. God willing the deluded loons in their districts who bought the Tea Party line are realizing what a terrible mistake they made and will send sensible people back to Congress in 2014.

But probably not.


Something tells me the "GIT GUBMINT OUTTA MAH MEDICARE" crowd isn't too quick to pick up on things.
 
2013-07-09 08:56:37 AM  
I read the article, and I still don't care about these people.

I wanna know what the real heroes are doing....  Santorum, Bachman, Gingrich, Cain, et al.
 
2013-07-09 08:59:42 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's a shame Obama decided healthcare reform was more important than creating jobs in 2009, because if he hadn't everyone of those guys would still be in office and Congress would have actually been able to pass legislation.


I think he believed that putting forward a tweeked version of the Republican health care reform plan that Republicans had spent the last two decades promoting would be greeted by Republicans as a constructive and bi-partisan effort.
 
2013-07-09 09:00:25 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Or, an opposition party devoted to stalling the country and fomenting division for no other reason than to make the other guys look bad would still have done so, and we'd be exactly where we are today. Except without healthcare reform.


It's almost like the New Deal was as much a marketing move by the FDR administration than it was an attempt to get people jobs, and that the 2010 GOP campaign motto of "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS" would have been eliminated if job creation was put before healthcare reform. Politics is hard sometimes, I know. But you'll understand when you finally realize you spent 3 years fighting for a Republican healthcare program that killed the Democratic party. But hey! We won on that issue!
 
2013-07-09 09:01:49 AM  

Target Builder: WTF Indeed: It's a shame Obama decided healthcare reform was more important than creating jobs in 2009, because if he hadn't everyone of those guys would still be in office and Congress would have actually been able to pass legislation.

I think he believed that putting forward a tweeked version of the Republican health care reform plan that Republicans had spent the last two decades promoting would be greeted by Republicans as a constructive and bi-partisan effort.


That was awfully uppity of him.
 
2013-07-09 09:05:54 AM  

Target Builder: I think he believed that putting forward a tweeked version of the Republican health care reform plan that Republicans had spent the last two decades promoting would be greeted by Republicans as a constructive and bi-partisan effort.


So you're saying the President wasn't blindly forceful on an issue that he was passionate about, he was just seriously naive about the political system as a whole?
 
2013-07-09 09:08:01 AM  

WTF Indeed: HeartBurnKid: Or, an opposition party devoted to stalling the country and fomenting division for no other reason than to make the other guys look bad would still have done so, and we'd be exactly where we are today. Except without healthcare reform.

It's almost like the New Deal was as much a marketing move by the FDR administration than it was an attempt to get people jobs, and that the 2010 GOP campaign motto of "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS" would have been eliminated if job creation was put before healthcare reform. Politics is hard sometimes, I know. But you'll understand when you finally realize you spent 3 years fighting for a Republican healthcare program that killed the Democratic party. But hey! We won on that issue!


Talk about a marketing campaign. The last thing the GOP wants is to create jobs under a Democratic presidential administration. This might have been the ONLY recession in which recovery was combined with CUTTING government jobs.
 
2013-07-09 09:08:10 AM  
Russ Feingold was the largest casualty that year, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act.

And his replacement...

*shudder*
 
2013-07-09 09:09:37 AM  

WTF Indeed: Target Builder: I think he believed that putting forward a tweeked version of the Republican health care reform plan that Republicans had spent the last two decades promoting would be greeted by Republicans as a constructive and bi-partisan effort.

So you're saying the President wasn't blindly forceful on an issue that he was passionate about, he was just seriously naive about the political system as a whole?


Blindly forceful?  I mean, it's not like there wasn't a real problem that needed to be solved that had been festering for at least 20 years or anything.
 
2013-07-09 09:10:22 AM  

theknuckler_33: Talk about a marketing campaign. The last thing the GOP wants is to create jobs under a Democratic presidential administration. This might have been the ONLY recession in which recovery was combined with CUTTING government jobs.


.....Are you really that obtuse about how politics works? People wanted jobs, the Democratic party offered them healthcare reform, the GOP offered them jobs. I wonder which one they would take?
 
2013-07-09 09:10:48 AM  

WTF Indeed: HeartBurnKid: Or, an opposition party devoted to stalling the country and fomenting division for no other reason than to make the other guys look bad would still have done so, and we'd be exactly where we are today. Except without healthcare reform.

It's almost like the New Deal was as much a marketing move by the FDR administration than it was an attempt to get people jobs, and that the 2010 GOP campaign motto of "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS" would have been eliminated if job creation was put before healthcare reform. Politics is hard sometimes, I know. But you'll understand when you finally realize you spent 3 years fighting for a Republican healthcare program that killed the Democratic party. But hey! We won on that issue!


You sound concerned.
 
2013-07-09 09:14:43 AM  

WTF Indeed: theknuckler_33: Talk about a marketing campaign. The last thing the GOP wants is to create jobs under a Democratic presidential administration. This might have been the ONLY recession in which recovery was combined with CUTTING government jobs.

.....Are you really that obtuse about how politics works? People wanted jobs, the Democratic party offered them healthcare reform, the GOP offered them jobs. I wonder which one they would take?


And the Democrats delivered on their promise and the Republicans did absolutely nothing to enact their promise.

Aren't you glad you got swindled?
 
2013-07-09 09:14:53 AM  
We still have to deal with the 2008 Palin reject.
 
2013-07-09 09:14:55 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: You sound concerned generally pissed off that all the hard work done by tens of thousands of people in 2006 and 2008 was wiped away in less than 18 months over half-assed program that doesn't truly fix the healthcare problem.


FTFY
 
2013-07-09 09:17:03 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: You sound concerned generally pissed off that all the hard work done by tens of thousands of people in 2006 and 2008 was wiped away in less than 18 months over half-assed program that doesn't truly fix the healthcare problem.

FTFY


Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.
 
2013-07-09 09:17:10 AM  
The problem with midterms is that the vote skews to old white conservatives, because they're the only people who bother to show up at the polls.  Without a presidential race to heat up facebook and twitter, young people ignore the election, and we end up with teabaggers who don't understand how the debt ceiling works ruining our credit rating.

FFS people, show up at the polls.
 
2013-07-09 09:18:17 AM  

WTF Indeed: .....Are you really that obtuse about how politics works? People wanted jobs, the Democratic party offered them healthcare reform, the GOP offered them jobs. I wonder which one they would take?



Number of jobs created by the Republican-led House since 2010? Kettle, pot.
 
2013-07-09 09:18:49 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's a shame Obama decided healthcare reform was more important than creating jobs in 2009, because if he hadn't everyone of those guys would still be in office and Congress would have actually been able to pass legislation.


ARRA? or did you forget that happened?
 
2013-07-09 09:19:17 AM  
"Even so, some of the Democrats - still scarred by their losses and frustrated by their party's inability to withstand the tea party tsunami - have come to realize that there is life beyond Washington. Fifty-four Democrats lost their seats; one, former Rep. John Adler of New Jersey, died less than a year later after undergoing heart surgery."

Life beyond Washington my ass!
 
2013-07-09 09:19:21 AM  

WTF Indeed: HeartBurnKid: Or, an opposition party devoted to stalling the country and fomenting division for no other reason than to make the other guys look bad would still have done so, and we'd be exactly where we are today. Except without healthcare reform.

It's almost like the New Deal was as much a marketing move by the FDR administration than it was an attempt to get people jobs, and that the 2010 GOP campaign motto of "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS" would have been eliminated if job creation was put before healthcare reform. Politics is hard sometimes, I know. But you'll understand when you finally realize you spent 3 years fighting for a Republican healthcare program that killed the Democratic party. But hey! We won on that issue!


Except that the New Deal actually provided jobs which would have been screamed as SOCIALISM by the GOP. Many of those Dems were Blue Dogs who stifled much of the agenda and were ousted by real Republicans for their trouble. Not sure how this killed the Democratic Party. Republicans have driven virtually all the moderates out of their ranks in favor of Tea Party nutters who aren't exactly popular nowadays.
 
2013-07-09 09:20:49 AM  

WTF Indeed: theknuckler_33: Talk about a marketing campaign. The last thing the GOP wants is to create jobs under a Democratic presidential administration. This might have been the ONLY recession in which recovery was combined with CUTTING government jobs.

.....Are you really that obtuse about how politics works? People wanted jobs, the Democratic party offered them healthcare reform, the GOP offered them jobs. I wonder which one they would take?


Please. The very first thing Obama did was try to stimulate the economy and because of GOP resistance, a watered down, 1/2 size plan was passed. As I said, anyone who thought the GOP was offering jobs is a moran. The GOP wasn't offering jobs, they had no plan for creating jobs. They ran on "death panels" and general wharrgarble. Your recollection of the 2010 elections is highly suspect.
 
2013-07-09 09:21:39 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.


History lesson #2 about the New Deal:

The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did  instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.
 
2013-07-09 09:22:19 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: You sound concerned generally pissed off that all the hard work done by tens of thousands of people in 2006 and 2008 to balance the budget the 90s was wiped away in less than 18 months over half-assed cowboy politics

and economic plans program that didn't truly never intended fix the healthcare deficit problem or bring peace in the Middle East.

FTFY
 
2013-07-09 09:24:21 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.

History lesson #2 about the New Deal:

The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did  instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.


So you are enraged that Obama didn't focus on driving through a plan which wouldn't accomplish anything?
 
2013-07-09 09:25:30 AM  

WTF Indeed: The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation.


The PWA was extremely successful in creating jobs and building infrastructure, two things this country desperately needs even today.
 
2013-07-09 09:25:32 AM  

theknuckler_33: The GOP wasn't offering jobs, they had no plan for creating jobs.


Um, wrong, libbo!
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2013-07-09 09:25:52 AM  

WTF Indeed: The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.


A major part of the New Deal you are ignoring was the amount of investment that was done under it that helped allow for the economic boom that followed. Stuff like the TVA, the massive rural electrification effort was huge.
 
2013-07-09 09:26:22 AM  
Did these 50 push against "single payer" option?  If so, then they deserved to go for wimping out.  Go big and/or go home.  Usually "and."
 
2013-07-09 09:26:39 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.

History lesson #2 about the New Deal:

The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did  instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.



You sound homeschooled.
 
2013-07-09 09:26:41 AM  
Where are they now... going to guess... either K street, helping in the Obama admin or back to trying to get elected.
 
2013-07-09 09:27:21 AM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-09 09:27:42 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: "Even so, some of the Democrats - still scarred by their losses and frustrated by their party's inability to withstand the tea party tsunami - have come to realize that there is life beyond Washington. Fifty-four Democrats lost their seats; one, former Rep. John Adler of New Jersey, died less than a year later after undergoing heart surgery."

Life beyond Washington my ass!


How is the anecdote about heart surgery even remotely relevant to an analysis of...I'm being trolled by the article, aren't I?
 
2013-07-09 09:30:21 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.

History lesson #2 about the New Deal:

The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did  instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.


Weasel words. Unemployment was something like 25% and the new deal helped bring it down into the mid-teens. Fiscal conservatives neutered the plan after just a few years and the dust bowl exacerbated the employment situation. Ignoring these realities and claiming the new deal didn't "help end unemployment" is taking a highly simplistic and biased view of history.
 
2013-07-09 09:31:59 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So you are enraged that Obama didn't focus on driving through a plan which wouldn't accomplish anything?


No, I'm pissed that they sacrificed a long term goal for a short-term one. That kind of public policy is the very reason we are in the mess currently are. Good public policy doesn't just come out of thin air, it comes from smart people doing hard work. What it doesn't include is spending hours talking on MSNBC or Fox about how the other side is doing nothing.

A Democratic Congress and President could have produced eight years of good public policy. Instead it produced 17 months of a half-assed healthcare law. The opportunity cost of doing healthcare reform in 2010 instead of 2013 is what you see every day on the politics tab.  You can't see the forest for the trees.
 
2013-07-09 09:32:54 AM  

theknuckler_33: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.

History lesson #2 about the New Deal:

The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did  instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.

Weasel words. Unemployment was something like 25% and the new deal helped bring it down into the mid-teens. Fiscal conservatives neutered the plan after just a few years and the dust bowl exacerbated the employment situation. Ignoring these realities and claiming the new deal didn't "help end unemployment" is taking a highly simplistic and biased view of history.



Since when have the GOP apologists ever taken a thorough open minded view of history?
 
2013-07-09 09:34:41 AM  

WTF Indeed: .....Are you really that obtuse about how politics works? People wanted jobs, the Democratic party offered them healthcare reform, the GOP offered them jobs absolutely nothing except pseudo-Randian bullshiat and trickle down unicorns. I wonder which one they would take?

 
2013-07-09 09:36:02 AM  

max_pooper: theknuckler_33: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.

History lesson #2 about the New Deal:

The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did  instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.

Weasel words. Unemployment was something like 25% and the new deal helped bring it down into the mid-teens. Fiscal conservatives neutered the plan after just a few years and the dust bowl exacerbated the employment situation. Ignoring these realities and claiming the new deal didn't "help end unemployment" is taking a highly simplistic and biased view of history.


Since when have the GOP apologists ever taken a thorough open minded view of history?


Never, but I don't think I'm addressing a GOP apologist.
 
2013-07-09 09:36:22 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: So you are enraged that Obama didn't focus on driving through a plan which wouldn't accomplish anything?

No, I'm pissed that they sacrificed a long term goal for a short-term one. That kind of public policy is the very reason we are in the mess currently are. Good public policy doesn't just come out of thin air, it comes from smart people doing hard work. What it doesn't include is spending hours talking on MSNBC or Fox about how the other side is doing nothing.

A Democratic Congress and President could have produced eight years of good public policy. Instead it produced 17 months of a half-assed healthcare law. The opportunity cost of doing healthcare reform in 2010 instead of 2013 is what you see every day on the politics tab.  You can't see the forest for the trees.


So you believe an ineffectual "jobs" plan  (never mind that there was a farking jobs plan) would have ensured continued Democratic majorities for Obama's entire term, with the Republicans making no gains in the off year election when the economy was still staggered from an incredibly severe global recession?

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2013-07-09 09:37:54 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's a shame Obama decided healthcare reform was more important than creating jobs in 2009, because if he hadn't everyone of those guys would still be in office and Congress would have actually been able to pass legislation.


Here's the problem with that. Obama passed a stimulus package based on numbers suggesting that the recession wasn't going to be half as bad as it actually was. But once that bill was passed, there was no way he could convince congress to pass another stimulus bill, it would just make the one he already passed look like a failure, and Republicans would call it all wasteful pork barrel spending even more so than they have. So Obama had to move on and tackle some of the other issues he campaigned on, like the issue of healthcare which had to be dealt with and which Republicans would normally block every step of the way.

Between the stimulus package, bailouts, healthcare reform and couple of smaller job bills Obama ultimately did save a lot of jobs that would have been lost had nothing been done, but given the scope of the recession the Democrats were going to take a beating by scared uninformed voters running to the polls either way.

Seriously, I'm not too sure what you think Obama could have done given what he knew at the time, even with the short time frame with a Democratic controlled congress radical solutions would have been rejected out of hand.
 
2013-07-09 09:40:59 AM  

theknuckler_33: Weasel words. Unemployment was something like 25% and the new deal helped bring it down into the mid-teens. Fiscal conservatives neutered the plan after just a few years and the dust bowl exacerbated the employment situation. Ignoring these realities and claiming the new deal didn't "help end unemployment" is taking a highly simplistic and biased view of history.


Neocon, Reaganite historians have done such a tremendous hackjob on the New Deal that it's become common knowledge in some circles that it was ineffective and prolonged the Depression, in spite of the actual numbers that show how beneficial it was.  The only major drop after the initial crash was in '37/'38, when FDR backed off of some of his New Deal policies under Republican pressure for austerity.

Of course ultimately, the Free Market prevailed and pulled us out of the depression after taxes for the rich were cut to zero and all New Deal programs were terminat...  Oh wait, that didn't happen.  Massive deficit spending to finance military production is what ended the Depression.  It's almost as though creating middle class jobs is a good thing for the economy as a whole.
 
2013-07-09 09:42:36 AM  

WTF Indeed: Good public policy doesn't just come out of thin air, it comes from smart people doing hard work. What it doesn't include is spending hours talking on MSNBC or Fox about how the other side is doing nothing.


So, rather than being pissed at the side doing nothing, you're going to be pissed at the side complaining how the other side is doing nothing. Got it.
 
2013-07-09 09:51:54 AM  

WTF Indeed: No, I'm pissed that they sacrificed a long term goal for a short-term one. That kind of public policy is the very reason we are in the mess currently are. Good public policy doesn't just come out of thin air, it comes from smart people doing hard work. What it doesn't include is spending hours talking on MSNBC or Fox about how the other side is doing nothing.


Long term goals don't win elections, and can easily be undone when the opposing party gets into power, which they will when all you have to show for your time in office is creating a couple of committees to look at job growth and healthcare. Long term goals require stability, and stability is something we don't have when one party is bent of sabotaging or eliminating much of the federal government.
 
2013-07-09 10:12:53 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us champ, what genius plan would have solved unemployment as a problem before the 2010 elections so that the Republicans couldn't use it as an issue.

History lesson #2 about the New Deal:

The New Deal programs that passed judicial review did little to help end unemployment in the nation. However, they did  instill a imagine in the minds of voters that the Democratic party was at least trying to create jobs, and the Republican party was the party fighting that. This public interaction caused the once strong Republican North to switch to Democrats.


Yeah, that's what happens when you control the media. But now that the cat's out of the bag with the internet, where you can actually get the truth of what is really happening on forum message boards, facebook, and twitter, it becomes a lot harder for the Democrats to keep up with those kind of shenanigans.
 
2013-07-09 10:15:49 AM  

WTF Indeed: People wanted jobs, the Democratic party offered them healthcare reform, the GOP offered them jobs. I wonder which one they would take?


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2013-07-09 10:36:55 AM  
The sad part about this thread is that it's filled with people who want a better government, but think the way to get it is to elect people who will take the other side to the woodshed everyday.
 
2013-07-09 10:40:40 AM  

WTF Indeed: The sad part about this thread is that it's filled with people who want a better government, but think the way to get it is to elect people who will take the other side to the woodshed everyday.


How exactly did you get that from the group dismembering of your "concern" about healthcare reform?
 
2013-07-09 10:46:27 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: How exactly did you get that from the group dismembering of your "concern" about healthcare reform?


I love how a historical critique of a legislative handling is now called concern trolling. I guess it's easier to just ignore the past instead of learning from it, because I think when you ignore the past something bad happens.
 
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