HAMMERTOE: udhq: When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.You know this may be true, but not in the way you're intending. Paula Deen apparently deserves to lose her livelihood over something stupid she said decades ago, but here you are, glossing over Martin's admitted racist comments, aggressive actions, and antisocial behavior.Sounds to me like your expectations of Martin are significantly lower than the prevalent expectations of the dim past of an old white woman. How much property has he had seized again?
ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.
DROxINxTHExWIND: AverageAmericanGuy: When you look at early pictures of Trayvon, he looks like a bright boy with a love of life and a bright future. But when you look at his later photos, he's transformed into a thug or wannabe thug.I don't really have a comment about the shooting, but it just seems like if George Z didn't do it, someone else would have at some point.What's tragic here is the cycle of violence and culture of violence among African American youths that turns kids with a chance at success into the 70% of black men who are caught up in the American criminal justice system.So is George Zimmerman. But he's just the victim of an overzealous prosecutor. No way that's ever happend to a black person.
DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Because pot makes you extremely violent paranoid, as evidenced by the FDA's groundbreaking studyparanoia and seeing a "creepy ass cracker" and having a history of beating up snitches is not a good combinationThat explains your irrational fear of the blacks./Just say "no"
tenpoundsofcheese: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Because pot makes you extremely violent paranoid, as evidenced by the FDA's groundbreaking studyparanoia and seeing a "creepy ass cracker" and having a history of beating up snitches is not a good combination
nekom: It's funny because Obama smoked marijuana too./me too, and millions of others.
GregInIndy: One thing's absolutely certain - if ever I'm on trial for my life in a capital case, I'm going straight to the experienced attorneys of FARK LLC for all my legal advice.
udhq: jaybeezey: How about they haven't been taught that they are inferior since the day they were born?You're going with that? Who's saying that? Parents? Teachers? Pastors? Every other person they see? Please elaborate.Well, about a dozen people in this thread, for starters. But usually, it's a more of a subtle, implied phenomenon.African Americans are significantly more likely than white people to be borne into poverty, or to go to prison at some point in their lives. When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.
udhq: Nobody owes Paula Deen a tv show, and no matter how threatened you feel by the mere cultural presentation of a black child, that doesn't justify the devaluation you place on his life.
MyRandomName: Perlin Noise: MyRandomName: Same applies to Zimmerman, no? Following a suspicious person and reporting it to police is not illegal.You mean like batman?Yep ...Zimmerman is just like Batman... what an awesome guy. Good for him. Where is the commissioner when you need him?!Oh wait, Batman does not use guns ...so.... the Punisher maybe?Another fact you get wrong, awesome. Early batman did use guns.
jaybeezey: Full on redneck cracker-ass crackers don't smoke weed.
SuperNinjaToad: The quip about Trayvon being like his son is one of the dumbest thing Obama could've said especially at a time when no one really knew what actually transpired.I don't think Obama is racist but he probably wouldn't have made the comment if Trayvon was white. I really don't understand the underlying motivation behind that statement anyway.What exactly was he trying to imply by saying if he had a son he would be like Trayvon? hundreds of young black males get gunned down every year how come he never equate those to his hypothetical son?
Magnanimous_J: Infernalist: Gun owners have to show more restraint than people who don't have guns. If this seems unreasonable or irrational to you, then you clearly don't deserve to carry a gun.Restraint? Sure. Don't get drunk, don't leave it lying around, don't brag about it.Walking down your own street to check out a suspicious person? Nope. You can still do that.
cameroncrazy1984: Lem Motlow: I don't see how you go from being followed to pounding on someone.You're right, it's almost like there was some sort of instigation from the other party. See how that makes sense now?
jaybeezey: Why are African immigrants in America doing better than African Americans? What can these immigrants teach us about ourselves that no one else seems to be able to see?
AverageAmericanGuy: When you look at early pictures of Trayvon, he looks like a bright boy with a love of life and a bright future. But when you look at his later photos, he's transformed into a thug or wannabe thug.I don't really have a comment about the shooting, but it just seems like if George Z didn't do it, someone else would have at some point.What's tragic here is the cycle of violence and culture of violence among African American youths that turns kids with a chance at success into the 70% of black men who are caught up in the American criminal justice system.
cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime. Then you might actually get to lock him up.Walking around? He was following Trayvon. It was a good attempt at spin, though.Even if he was following, there's nothing illegal about that.Except in cases where the following instigates a confrontation...
Perlin Noise: Lem Motlow: Not true either. TM did not live in that complex.And loitering? Maybe loitering and getting confronational with a stranger in the middle of the night. Like I said, that's a bad idea because a) he might be a bigger tough guy than you think you are, and b) he might be carrying a weapon.Ok ...So he did not live there ...irrelevant.From his perspective he was being stalked/harassed. Really? Is it that hard to see that? Listen, I'm not saying Trayvon is a saint or reacted well but he did not instigate the situation. Period.Neither of these two people did the right thing. One is still alive, and he farked up bad. He should be punished for it.
Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened. But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.
DROxINxTHExWIND: jaybeezey:Is the President of the United States weighing in on a lot of cases these days or just cases where a black person seems to be done wrong by whitey...or a half cuban half jewish mix of some kind?There is no doubt that folks get railroaded by overeager DA looking to make a name for themselves as being tough on crime. And there are waaaaaay to many kids in jail on bs possesion charges, but let's be honest about the nature of this case.You're talking about the President who had someone during his State of the Union and call him a liar? The President who has folks walking around with pictures of him on a dollar bill eating cicken and watermelon? The President who had a look-a-like play Satan in a documentary about the last days? The President who has local sheriff departments and governors saying that they won't enforce laws because he influcenced their implementation? That guy now has the power to get people charged in Florida? Yeah ok.People like you are the reason he never really comments on issues of race. He never claimed that anyone was guilty or innocent. The President called for a FULL INVESTIGATION. But all you were able to remember is that he said Trayvon would hav looked like him. You've taken that one part of the statement and flipped it to mean, "I think George Zimmerman should go to jail and all blacks should get reperations."Its pretty ridiculous.
lantawa: Martin's character is at THE ESSENCE of this case. You cannot ignore the 600 lb. gorilla in the room. Not yours...
DROxINxTHExWIND: Oh, so NOW Farkers hate guns and weed? Lol. You all are a trip.
hasty ambush: ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.Looks to me that he did an extremely good job of defaming his own character others are just making sure we and the jury know what that character was:[i.cdn.turner.com image 150x171][i.cdn.turner.com image 465x348]
SlothB77: This alone provides enough reasonable doubt that the jury has no choice but to find zimmerman not guilty.
Oh_Enough_Already: I have to wonder if the black community is actually secretly hoping for an acquittal.Not so they can protest riot - they seldom need an excuse for that - but because when one or dozen of them get shot and killed by the whites they're attacking in the process they'll have one or a dozen new Trayvons to canonize, trials to follow, excuses to ratchet up their hatred of creepy-ass crackers, etc.If you think about it, an acquittal would be very good for the outrage business and the scores of "revruns" who make a living fomenting hatred.
Oh_Enough_Already: Not so they can protest riot - they seldom need an excuse for that
Perlin Noise: I actually don't even understand how anything is relevant past the point where Zimmerman went on foot tracking him down. Dude, you created the situation when it was easily avoided. Zimmerman was the aggressor. I might have attempted to beat his ass as well if he were following me barking orders in the middle of the night.
Sybarite: I bet he was also listening to the jazz.
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