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2013-07-09 10:30:52 AM  
5 votes:
When you look at early pictures of Trayvon, he looks like a bright boy with a love of life and a bright future. But when you look at his later photos, he's transformed into a thug or wannabe thug.

I don't really have a comment about the shooting, but it just seems like if George Z didn't do it, someone else would have at some point.

What's tragic here is the cycle of violence and culture of violence among African American youths that turns kids with a chance at success into the 70% of black men who are caught up in the American criminal justice system.
2013-07-09 12:20:27 PM  
3 votes:
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2013-07-09 03:28:00 PM  
2 votes:

HAMMERTOE: udhq: When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.

You know this may be true, but not in the way you're intending. Paula Deen apparently deserves to lose her livelihood over something stupid she said decades ago, but here you are, glossing over Martin's admitted racist comments, aggressive actions, and antisocial behavior.

Sounds to me like your expectations of Martin are significantly lower than the prevalent expectations of the dim past of an old white woman. How much property has he had seized again?


Nah. Paula Deen deserves her shiatstorm because she wanted her employees to work as literal slaves at her private parties and attempted to employ them as such. I heard (no evidence I could find) that she would actually pay them in drinks from time to time or else they'd lose their actual jobs in her empire. I give her a personal pass on the N word. She was from a different time, it happens. Personally, I don't think the lady is purposefully malicious or hateful, just ignorant, like she's been trapped in a bubble for decades and is very slowly learning how the world currently functions. The less ignorant people taking up blocks on my TV the better, IMHO.
2013-07-09 12:22:45 PM  
2 votes:
www.politifake.org
2013-07-09 11:38:29 AM  
2 votes:

ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.



Looks to me that he did an extremely good job of defaming his own character others are just making sure we and the jury know what that character was:

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2013-07-09 10:51:39 AM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: AverageAmericanGuy: When you look at early pictures of Trayvon, he looks like a bright boy with a love of life and a bright future. But when you look at his later photos, he's transformed into a thug or wannabe thug.

I don't really have a comment about the shooting, but it just seems like if George Z didn't do it, someone else would have at some point.

What's tragic here is the cycle of violence and culture of violence among African American youths that turns kids with a chance at success into the 70% of black men who are caught up in the American criminal justice system.

So is George Zimmerman. But he's just the victim of an overzealous prosecutor. No way that's ever happend to a black person.


Is the President of the United States weighing in on a lot of cases these days or just cases where a black person seems to be done wrong by whitey...or a half cuban half jewish mix of some kind?

There is no doubt that folks get railroaded by overeager DA looking to make a name for themselves as being tough on crime. And there are waaaaaay to many kids in jail on bs possesion charges, but let's be honest about the nature of this case.
2013-07-09 10:44:47 AM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Because pot makes you extremely violent paranoid, as evidenced by the FDA's groundbreaking study

paranoia and seeing a "creepy ass cracker" and having a history of beating up snitches is not a good combination


That explains your irrational fear of the blacks.

/Just say "no"


I have no such fear.
But, once again, your racism is showing.
2013-07-09 10:43:23 AM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Because pot makes you extremely violent paranoid, as evidenced by the FDA's groundbreaking study

paranoia and seeing a "creepy ass cracker" and having a history of beating up snitches is not a good combination



That explains your irrational fear of the blacks.

/Just say "no"
2013-07-09 10:36:52 AM  
2 votes:
No matter where you come down on the entire case, this was a shiatty decision by the judge.
2013-07-09 10:26:41 AM  
2 votes:

nekom: It's funny because Obama smoked marijuana too.

/me too, and millions of others.


It's funny because he can be President while millions of people caught smoking can't.
2013-07-09 08:25:27 PM  
1 vote:
Just imagine this scenario....

White 17 year old redneck with a mullet named Cletus is followed because he looks suspicious by a 29 year old half-black man named Sixty Cent. Cletus is heard on the phone saying some "creepy n**gger" is following me. He violently attacks the black guy, trying to kill him, but is killed with a single gunshot to the chest. Gun was legal. All evidence points to the half-black man as being perfectly justified. Half-black guy is on record defending poor white people who are victims of police cover up. DA finds no reason to press charges.

President Bush hears this, says Cletus could have been his son. Orders 2nd degree murder charges on Sixty Cent by way of political pressure. Cletus' family is put on the stand, all stereotypical rednecks, and they changed their story as needed. All evidence, even by the prosecution, shows that Sixty Cent did the right thing.

Every single person defending Tray would be defending the half-black man in that case. Wonder why?
2013-07-09 04:22:22 PM  
1 vote:

GregInIndy: One thing's absolutely certain - if ever I'm on trial for my life in a capital case, I'm going straight to the experienced attorneys of FARK LLC for all my legal advice.




Just pray you are not on trial for killing a non-white person. 50% of Fark will think you are guilty just on that basis alone (if for no other reason other than the myth of white guilt/privilege) another large percentage will want to convict simply because you are a gun owner and a few others think it would be good to convict you just to prevent a riot and appease the non-whites.
2013-07-09 03:24:11 PM  
1 vote:

udhq: jaybeezey: How about they haven't been taught that they are inferior since the day they were born?

You're going with that? Who's saying that? Parents? Teachers? Pastors? Every other person they see? Please elaborate.

Well, about a dozen people in this thread, for starters.  But usually, it's a more of a subtle, implied phenomenon.

African Americans are significantly more likely than white people to be borne into poverty, or to go to prison at some point in their lives.  When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.


A subtle implied phenomenon? The only people telling young black people that they aren't worth shiat is other young black people.

Is there still racism in America? You betcha. Are cracker rednecks in the sticks holding anyone back? No. Is "institutional racism" an issue? Yes. Generational reliance on gov't handouts is the death of self esteem. Until young poor people of all races understand that education and working harder/smarter than the next guy is the key to escape we will continue to see kids killing kids in a downward spiral of violence that we see in places like Chicago, Detroit, Flint, St. Louis, Oakland....
2013-07-09 03:05:49 PM  
1 vote:

udhq: Nobody owes Paula Deen a tv show, and no matter how threatened you feel by the mere cultural presentation of a black child, that doesn't justify the devaluation you place on his life.


Coming out of the backyard of a darkened house at night does not equal "cultural presentation."

...Unless you're inferring that black culture is more prone to crime. I am not.
2013-07-09 02:51:05 PM  
1 vote:

MyRandomName: Perlin Noise: MyRandomName: Same applies to Zimmerman, no? Following a suspicious person and reporting it to police is not illegal.

You mean like batman?

Yep ...Zimmerman is just like Batman... what an awesome guy. Good for him. Where is the commissioner when you need him?!

Oh wait, Batman does not use guns ...so.... the Punisher maybe?

Another fact you get wrong, awesome. Early batman did use guns.


Fear the Reaper

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2013-07-09 02:49:49 PM  
1 vote:

jaybeezey: Full on redneck cracker-ass crackers don't smoke weed.

Full on redneck cracker-ass crackers don't smoke weed. They get shiatty on cheap beer and whiskey. They are an angry lot and would consider him a "messican" by looks. He probably wouldn't have time to explain his ethnic background before getting hit with a beer bottle.

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2013-07-09 02:44:17 PM  
1 vote:

SuperNinjaToad: The quip about Trayvon being like his son is one of the dumbest thing Obama could've said especially at a time when no one really knew what actually transpired.

I don't think Obama is racist but he probably wouldn't have made the comment if Trayvon was white. I really don't understand the underlying motivation behind that statement anyway.

What exactly was he trying to imply by saying if he had a son he would be like Trayvon? hundreds of young black males get gunned down every year how come he never equate those to his hypothetical son?


It was just good PR with a certain sort of liberal. Dudes a politician, you know.
2013-07-09 02:38:33 PM  
1 vote:
The quip about Trayvon being like his son is one of the dumbest thing Obama could've said especially at a time when no one really knew what actually transpired.

I don't think Obama is racist but he probably wouldn't have made the comment if Trayvon was white. I really don't understand the underlying motivation behind that statement anyway.

What exactly was he trying to imply by saying if he had a son he would be like Trayvon? hundreds of young black males get gunned down every year how come he never equate those to his hypothetical son?
2013-07-09 01:28:38 PM  
1 vote:

Magnanimous_J: Infernalist: Gun owners have to show more restraint than people who don't have guns. If this seems unreasonable or irrational to you, then you clearly don't deserve to carry a gun.


Restraint? Sure. Don't get drunk, don't leave it lying around, don't brag about it.


Walking down your own street to check out a suspicious person? Nope. You can still do that.


Instigating a conflict isn't allowed by law, even without a gun.  Instigating one while armed with a deadly weapon is especially stupid and illegal.

Why is this so hard to grasp for some people?
2013-07-09 01:18:55 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: Lem Motlow: I don't see how you go from being followed to pounding on someone.

You're right, it's almost like there was some sort of instigation from the other party. See how that makes sense now?


No, I don't see how you get from A to B because I WOULD HAVE GONE HOME.  I would not have doubled back to confront him.  He was acting like a tough guy, wanna-be thug.  If you want to get on that ship, you are going to have the deal with where it takes you.
2013-07-09 01:17:59 PM  
1 vote:

ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.


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2013-07-09 01:07:05 PM  
1 vote:

jaybeezey: Why are African immigrants in America doing better than African Americans? What can these immigrants teach us about ourselves that no one else seems to be able to see?


How about they haven't been taught that they are inferior since the day they were born?
2013-07-09 12:54:08 PM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: When you look at early pictures of Trayvon, he looks like a bright boy with a love of life and a bright future. But when you look at his later photos, he's transformed into a thug or wannabe thug.

I don't really have a comment about the shooting, but it just seems like if George Z didn't do it, someone else would have at some point.

What's tragic here is the cycle of violence and culture of violence among African American youths that turns kids with a chance at success into the 70% of black men who are caught up in the American criminal justice system.


...Or, you know, he would've grown up, gotten a job, and moved on with his life, just like both of my little brothers did after doing nearly exactly the same stupid crap (though they hid their weed smoking better).

This is a stage  every teen boy goes through, because  teenagers are really goddamn stupid. It doesn't magically turn them into criminals.
2013-07-09 12:48:33 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.

If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime.  Then you might actually get to lock him up.

Walking around? He was following Trayvon. It was a good attempt at spin, though.

Even if he was following, there's nothing illegal about that.

Except in cases where the following instigates a confrontation...


Not even remotely true.  I can follow all I like.  If you choose to confront me, that doesn't make the following illegal.  If you choose to strike me, that doesn't make the following illegal.  If you strike me and place me in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm forcing me to kill you, that doesn't make the following illegal.
2013-07-09 12:46:32 PM  
1 vote:

Perlin Noise: Lem Motlow: Not true either.  TM did not live in that complex.

And loitering?  Maybe loitering and getting confronational with a stranger in the middle of the night.  Like I said, that's a bad idea because a) he might be a bigger tough guy than you think you are, and b) he might be carrying a weapon.

Ok ...So he did not live there ...irrelevant.

From his perspective he was being stalked/harassed. Really? Is it that hard to see that? Listen, I'm not saying Trayvon is a saint or reacted well but he did not instigate the situation. Period.

Neither of these two people did the right thing. One is still alive, and he farked up bad. He should be punished for it.


It may or may not be relevant.

My point is this:

If it were me, I'd have gone home and stayed safe.  I don't have much tough guy thug in me and would not find it necessary to confront someone who was following me.

Trayvon figured he was some sort of tough guy and doubled back to confront a stranger in the middle of the night.  The tough guy ended up pounding the stranger's head on the pavement.  Stranger ended up having a gun.

I don't see how you go from being followed to pounding on someone.  Someone is following you?  So what, go home.  Did he look at you funny?  So what, go home.  Did he dis' you?  So what, go home.

I would have gone home and enjoyed my Skittles.
2013-07-09 12:37:24 PM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.


Great theory.  Too bad thats not the law in Florida.  If Martin had just gone home, none of this would have happened.  He owns the results.  For better or worse.
2013-07-09 12:30:27 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah, whether or not he smoked weed has no relevance to the case at all.  I mean he was a suburban black youth.  If he DIDN'T smoke weed it would have more relevance.
2013-07-09 12:28:25 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: jaybeezey:
Is the President of the United States weighing in on a lot of cases these days or just cases where a black person seems to be done wrong by whitey...or a half cuban half jewish mix of some kind?

There is no doubt that folks get railroaded by overeager DA looking to make a name for themselves as being tough on crime. And there are waaaaaay to many kids in jail on bs possesion charges, but let's be honest about the nature of this case.


You're talking about the President who had someone during his State of the Union and call him a liar? The President who has folks walking around with pictures of him on a dollar bill eating cicken and watermelon? The President who had a look-a-like play Satan in a documentary about the last days? The President who has local sheriff departments and governors saying that they won't enforce laws because he influcenced their implementation? That guy now has the power to get people charged in Florida? Yeah ok.

People like you are the reason he never really comments on issues of race. He never claimed that anyone was guilty or innocent. The President called for a FULL INVESTIGATION. But all you were able to remember is that he said Trayvon would hav looked like him. You've taken that one part of the statement and flipped it to mean, "I think George Zimmerman should go to jail and all blacks should get reperations."

Its pretty ridiculous.


Keep your head in the sand kid. There has never been a president that had the media in his back pocket like Obama. I give credit where it is due, and the guy is a master. He knows he can't come out and comment on guilt, but he can make a statement to get the media behind a movement.

They looked at the evidence and decided not to charge Zimmerman, until the media hype. Then they didn't take it before a grand jury because they knew that it likely woudn't pass muster.

Obama is free to comment on issues of race all he wants. I would welcome it. I'd love to hear someone explain why the trillions spent on the War on Poverty has only lead to more broken  homes, more black men in prison, more young black kids being raised without fathers and wholesale decline of some urban environments.

Why are African immigrants in America doing better than African Americans? What can these immigrants teach us about ourselves that no one else seems to be able to see?

www.100blackmen.org is a good start to solving some of these problems.
2013-07-09 12:22:46 PM  
1 vote:

lantawa: Martin's character is at THE ESSENCE of this case.  You cannot ignore the 600 lb. gorilla in the room.  Not yours...


So the essence of the case is that Martin smoked the marihuana cigarettes and therefore such as?

Brilliant defense, guys. Brilliant.
Ant
2013-07-09 12:11:54 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Oh, so NOW Farkers hate guns and weed? Lol. You all are a trip.


No. They hate black people with guns and weed. An old white guy with guns and weed would be a patriot with glaucoma, or something.
2013-07-09 11:54:47 AM  
1 vote:

hasty ambush: ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.


Looks to me that he did an extremely good job of defaming his own character others are just making sure we and the jury know what that character was:

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I shudder to think of the crimes this guy is contemplating:

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Clearly everybody who has a picture of themselves with a gun on the intarwebs is a violent tragedy waiting to happen.
2013-07-09 11:46:43 AM  
1 vote:
jaybeezey:
Is the President of the United States weighing in on a lot of cases these days or just cases where a black person seems to be done wrong by whitey...or a half cuban half jewish mix of some kind?

There is no doubt that folks get railroaded by overeager DA looking to make a name for themselves as being tough on crime. And there are waaaaaay to many kids in jail on bs possesion charges, but let's be honest about the nature of this case.



You're talking about the President who had someone during his State of the Union and call him a liar? The President who has folks walking around with pictures of him on a dollar bill eating cicken and watermelon? The President who had a look-a-like play Satan in a documentary about the last days? The President who has local sheriff departments and governors saying that they won't enforce laws because he influcenced their implementation? That guy now has the power to get people charged in Florida? Yeah ok.

People like you are the reason he never really comments on issues of race. He never claimed that anyone was guilty or innocent. The President called for a FULL INVESTIGATION. But all you were able to remember is that he said Trayvon would hav looked like him. You've taken that one part of the statement and flipped it to mean, "I think George Zimmerman should go to jail and all blacks should get reperations."

Its pretty ridiculous.
2013-07-09 11:41:49 AM  
1 vote:

SlothB77: This alone provides enough reasonable doubt that the jury has no choice but to find zimmerman not guilty.




The fact that the lead prosecution witness admitted to lying is enough for reasonable doubt this is just the icing on the cake.
2013-07-09 11:36:42 AM  
1 vote:

Oh_Enough_Already: I have to wonder if the black community is actually secretly hoping for an acquittal.

Not so they can  protest riot - they seldom need an excuse for that - but because when one or dozen of them get shot and killed by the whites they're attacking in the process they'll have one or a dozen new Trayvons to canonize, trials to follow, excuses to ratchet up their hatred of creepy-ass crackers, etc.

If you think about it, an acquittal would be very good for the outrage business and the scores of "revruns" who make a living fomenting hatred.


I don't what you said in the past that made me farkie you as a racist, but you sure have lived up to the title.  Good job.
Ant
2013-07-09 11:09:54 AM  
1 vote:

Oh_Enough_Already: Not so they can  protest riot - they seldom need an excuse for that


I think you might be more comfortable on Stormfront
2013-07-09 11:01:24 AM  
1 vote:
She also needs to allow Martin's phone / text records.  This judge is playing sides.
2013-07-09 10:58:36 AM  
1 vote:

Perlin Noise: I actually don't even understand how anything is relevant past the point where Zimmerman went on foot tracking him down. Dude, you created the situation when it was easily avoided. Zimmerman was the aggressor. I might have attempted to beat his ass as well if he were following me barking orders in the middle of the night.


Guilty or not, nothing changes the fact that if you subtract a fat, loser asshole looking to feel like a tough guy from the situation, nobody dies.
2013-07-09 10:56:33 AM  
1 vote:

ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.


This ...I am ranting an raving about this whole thing.

SlothB77: This alone provides enough reasonable doubt that the jury has no choice but to find zimmerman not guilty.


2/10 for trolling ...or is that sarcasm?


I for one think that 2nd degree murder is a bit much. From what I can tell, Zimmerman made a horrible horrible mistake and a young man ended up dead. That sounds like manslaughter to me. Whether or not that mistake was driven by racial or cultural prejudice does not matter unless you judge him with your emotions. I prefer not to.

I actually don't even understand how anything is relevant past the point where Zimmerman went on foot tracking him down. Dude, you created the situation when it was easily avoided. Zimmerman was the aggressor. I might have attempted to beat his ass as well if he were following me barking orders in the middle of the night.

It just does not seem that complicated to me.
Ant
2013-07-09 10:51:29 AM  
1 vote:

SlothB77: This alone provides enough reasonable doubt that the jury has no choice but to find zimmerman not guilty.


Why? Are we imposing the death penalty on pot smokers now?
2013-07-09 10:41:55 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: When you look at early pictures of Trayvon, he looks like a bright boy with a love of life and a bright future. But when you look at his later photos, he's transformed into a thug or wannabe thug.

I don't really have a comment about the shooting, but it just seems like if George Z didn't do it, someone else would have at some point.

What's tragic here is the cycle of violence and culture of violence among African American youths that turns kids with a chance at success into the 70% of black men who are caught up in the American criminal justice system.


So is George Zimmerman. But he's just the victim of an overzealous prosecutor. No way that's ever happend to a black person.
2013-07-09 10:40:11 AM  
1 vote:
Pot doesn't cause violence and it is better than alcohol, but it isn't true that people who smoke pot are categorically not violent.  I'm guessing the percentage of people in prison who have smoked marijuanna is pretty close to 100% vs. 50 or 60% (?) for the general population.   It's not like it is rare to find a teenage tough guy wannabe who smokes pot.
2013-07-09 10:34:23 AM  
1 vote:
If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.
2013-07-09 09:21:02 AM  
1 vote:

Sybarite: I bet he was also listening to the jazz.


Could be worse.  Could have been on the jazz.

/I love it when a plan comes together.
2013-07-09 08:47:23 AM  
1 vote:
It's funny because Obama smoked marijuana too.

/me too, and millions of others.
 
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