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2013-07-09 01:37:57 PM  

jaybeezey: How about they haven't been taught that they are inferior since the day they were born?

You're going with that? Who's saying that? Parents? Teachers? Pastors? Every other person they see? Please elaborate.


Well, about a dozen people in this thread, for starters.  But usually, it's a more of a subtle, implied phenomenon.

African Americans are significantly more likely than white people to be borne into poverty, or to go to prison at some point in their lives.  When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.
 
2013-07-09 01:38:47 PM  

Infernalist: Zimmerman is a victim of his own stupidity.


being stupid ain't illegal. Assaulting a person is.
 
2013-07-09 01:40:12 PM  

washington-babylon: Psycoholic_Slag: washington-babylon: hasty ambush: ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.


Looks to me that he did an extremely good job of defaming his own character others are just making sure we and the jury know what that character was:

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And how has nobody commented on the fact that dear widdle TM had a FARKING HANDGUN when he was underage? The only way he could have acquired that piece is if he purchased it illegally, and if I recall correctly most states also regard drug possession while carrying a firearm a major offense. So,  we have drug usage (illegal, despite farkers wishes that it wasn't) combined with Felony Possession of a Firearm. Now if he had wanted to dance around the law on that he should have had a "Antique Firearm" (according to BATFE) like this 1858 Remington reproduction:
[www.imfdb.org image 400x185]
.44 caliber, 6 shots, easy swappable cylinder, AND  perfectly legal for him to own, even after committing a federal crime resulting in the removal of his right to bear arms.

Yeah, no.  Depends on the state.  California says no.

heheheh. California says no to everything. Most ORDINARY states do respect the BATFE guidelines regarding Firearms ownership.


That's why the song is titled "California Uber Alles". We constantly screw up the curve on stupid out here.
/It's the suede denim secret police
 
2013-07-09 01:41:13 PM  

Scerpes: Infernalist: Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.

If only you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated.  You simply can't do it.


Well, the fact that he was told by the 911 dispatcher not to get out of his car and follow Martin, and yet he did that very thing and took his gun with him seems pretty damning.
 
2013-07-09 01:43:26 PM  

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.

If only you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated.  You simply can't do it.

Zimmerman himself has proven that he instigated the conflict by approaching Martin.  It's entirely irrelevant if Martin attacked him after Zimmerman made himself known to the boy.  By approaching Martin and instigating the interaction, Martin takes on the full responsibility for instigating the subsequent conflict.

In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.


So the girl who approaches and says "Hello" at a party to the guy who later rapes her after she passes out is totally responsible for instigating the subsequent conflict?

Nice.
 
2013-07-09 01:44:03 PM  
They should really just call this trial off and convict Zimbo.  Trials need to stop looking at facts and take the emotionality into consideration.

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2013-07-09 01:44:22 PM  

kendelrio: So the girl who approaches and says "Hello" at a party to the guy who later rapes her after she passes out is totally responsible for instigating the subsequent conflict?

Nice.


Depends how she's dressed.
 
2013-07-09 01:44:24 PM  

Johnny_Whistle: Scerpes: Infernalist: Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.

If only you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated.  You simply can't do it.

Well, the fact that he was told by the 911 dispatcher not to get out of his car and follow Martin, and yet he did that very thing and took his gun with him seems pretty damning.


He was never told not to get out of his car.
 
2013-07-09 01:44:35 PM  

mr lawson: Infernalist: Zimmerman is a victim of his own stupidity.

being stupid ain't illegal. Assaulting a person is.


how about criminal negligence, or ignorance of the law. Both of those things can land you trouble and can easily be caused by stupidity.
 
2013-07-09 01:45:49 PM  
Never figured that statement out: Did Obama have sex with Trayvon's mother or did Trayvon's father have sex with Michelle?
 
2013-07-09 01:47:19 PM  
Just in case anyone needs a good live link to the court case, here is.....for you.....from me.....free!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-live-george-zimmerman-trial-070913/

Hopefully, it'll help some of you Martin-Fanboys/Reality-Deniers snap out of your fantasyland scenarios that you've been so cleverly been led into.......
 
2013-07-09 01:47:43 PM  

Carousel Beast: The problem is this: if TM had every right to be walking there (and he did), then so did GZ. Whether or not it was a Bad Idea TM, GZ did nothing wrong - legally or morally - by following TM.


Did nothing wrong?  By stalking a complete stranger on a public street based solely on his "suspicious appearance" i.e., his race?

And doing so while brandishing a deadly weapon?

You seriously want to argue that he did nothing wrong?  "Not guilty of murder" I can understand, but "did nothing wrong" seems quite a stretch when a child was murdered in cold blood.
 
2013-07-09 01:47:57 PM  

udhq: When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.


You know this may be true, but not in the way you're intending. Paula Deen apparently deserves to lose her livelihood over something stupid she said decades ago, but here you are, glossing over Martin's admitted racist comments, aggressive actions, and antisocial behavior.

Sounds to me like your expectations of Martin are significantly lower than the prevalent expectations of the dim past of an old white woman. How much property has he had seized again?
 
2013-07-09 01:50:38 PM  

udhq: By stalking a complete stranger on a public street based solely on his "suspicious appearance" i.e., his race?


No.

By attempting to maintain visual observation of a stranger in the neighborhood that had experienced recent break-ins, after he observed that stranger coming out of somebody's back yard, under cover of night. It's apparently lost on you, but there's a reason he wasn't charged with "stalking" Martin.
 
2013-07-09 01:52:03 PM  

udhq: Carousel Beast: The problem is this: if TM had every right to be walking there (and he did), then so did GZ. Whether or not it was a Bad Idea TM, GZ did nothing wrong - legally or morally - by following TM.

Did nothing wrong?  By stalking a complete stranger on a public street based solely on his "suspicious appearance" i.e., his race?

And doing so while brandishing a deadly weapon?

You seriously want to argue that he did nothing wrong?  "Not guilty of murder" I can understand, but "did nothing wrong" seems quite a stretch when a child was murdered in cold blood.


Had nothing to do with his race. He was not brandishing a deadly weapon.
 
2013-07-09 01:53:32 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Sounds to me like your expectations of Martin are significantly lower than the prevalent expectations of the dim past of an old white woman. How much property has he had seized again?


What about an armed, profiling, overzealous neighborhood watch guy?

There are no saints to be found in this case. Only victims of stupid actions and societal pressures.
 
2013-07-09 01:58:54 PM  

Perlin Noise: What about an armed, profiling, overzealous neighborhood watch guy?


I see a stranger come out of my neighbor's back yard, I'm going to "profile" them too, no matter what their color. What exactly is "overzealous" about trying to maintain observation of a suspect?
 
2013-07-09 02:00:11 PM  
Infernalist: The results of that question is irrelevant.  Zimmerman owned the conflict from the moment he got out of his truck and pursued TM.

Not in any real world setting, ever. If I lived in your hood maybe I'd follow you. Would you hide in the bushes and then pop out later to confront me?

This moronic logic is getting old.

/and don't do this speculation crap, the trial is ongoing, and ZERO evidence has been presented that shows Zimmerman being intimidating. For all Martin knew Zimmerman was getting out of his car to drop off some crap at a neighbors house, and eyed him because...I don't know, he's walking behind people's houses in the dark and rain.
 
2013-07-09 02:02:48 PM  

Johnny_Whistle: Well, the fact that he was told by the 911 dispatcher not to get out of his car and follow Martin, and yet he did that very thing and took his gun with him seems pretty damning.


You got that from either Al Sharpton or Nancy Grace, correct? Amirite or amirite? MSNBC? NBC? Benjamin Crump? Who? Since when does "we don't need you to do that" become "don't do that"? Since when does a non-sworn police dispatcher's opinion become "an order"? you know when? It's when an orchestration of a false fact pattern is put forth as "reality" and "the facts." The prosecution's "facts," in this case, are being debunked and impeached at every turn, by the defense. Please recognize that reality. The only way a guilty verdict is returned is if the jury nullifies the facts at the jury's pleasure (and yes, juries certainly CAN do that)  Let's continue to watch, shall we?
 
2013-07-09 02:04:23 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Perlin Noise: What about an armed, profiling, overzealous neighborhood watch guy?

I see a stranger come out of my neighbor's back yard, I'm going to "profile" them too, no matter what their color. What exactly is "overzealous" about trying to maintain observation of a suspect?


He contacted the police... after that, pursuing the suspect is to invite conflict. I would argue, being armed as well is to welcome it. He wanted to be a hero ...well, good job, you killed an unarmed 17 year old after some sort of struggle. What a hero.

Like I said, no saints here.
 
2013-07-09 02:05:19 PM  

HAMMERTOE: You know this may be true, but not in the way you're intending. Paula Deen apparently deserves to lose her livelihood over something stupid she said decades ago, but here you are, glossing over Martin's admitted racist comments, aggressive actions, and antisocial behavior.

Sounds to me like your expectations of Martin are significantly lower than the prevalent expectations of the dim past of an old white woman. How much property has he had seized again?


Nobody owes Paula Deen a tv show, and no matter how threatened you feel by the mere cultural presentation of a black child, that doesn't justify the devaluation you place on his life.
 
2013-07-09 02:06:42 PM  
Something I have missed: What gave Martin the right to attack Zimmerman just because he was being followed? Have I missed this? Did the "creepy white cracker" accost TM somehow? Most people being followed would have left the area or called for help. TM did have a phone; he could have asked his friend to put their intellectual conversation on hold and called the police.
 
2013-07-09 02:09:52 PM  

HAMMERTOE: I see a stranger come out of my neighbor's back yard, I'm going to "profile" them too, no matter what their color. What exactly is "overzealous" about trying to maintain observation of a suspect?


The armed thug roving the streets after dark looking for trouble had no right to label anyone else "a suspect."
 
2013-07-09 02:23:44 PM  
I find it amusing that people are all like "but the police dispatcher said not to follow him."

People follow the instructions of police dispatchers?

Of course, the downside to not following the opinion of a dispatcher is an expensive show trial...so maybe we should listen to them after all.
 
2013-07-09 02:38:33 PM  
The quip about Trayvon being like his son is one of the dumbest thing Obama could've said especially at a time when no one really knew what actually transpired.

I don't think Obama is racist but he probably wouldn't have made the comment if Trayvon was white. I really don't understand the underlying motivation behind that statement anyway.

What exactly was he trying to imply by saying if he had a son he would be like Trayvon? hundreds of young black males get gunned down every year how come he never equate those to his hypothetical son?
 
2013-07-09 02:43:12 PM  

Infernalist: If you want an example, watch any number of videos where an armed guard or police officer literally has to wait someone pulls out a gun to shoot him/her before responding with deadly force.


http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforcement/officer-safety/use-of-forc e/ continuum.htm

Generally, officers are trained to respond with 1-2 levels of force higher than that being currently offered by the other party. If they've already drawn when you go to draw, you've lost.
 
2013-07-09 02:43:29 PM  

hasty ambush: calm like a bomb: hasty ambush:
And we know Zimmerman didn't start it and whip out his gun when he got his ass kicked because?

Like the prosecution you are making the accusation , burden of proof is on you.  I would remind you that the lead prosecution witness has already admitted to lying.

Your insinuation was that the dead kid was the instigator.  I asked you how you knew that.  You couldn't answer it, I guess.

And how do you know Zimmerman is the instigator?  Did he assault Martin?  Zimmerman is the accused, burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt is on the accusers.  Prosecution has already failed on the reasonable doubt level with an admitted liar as their lead witness.


I don't, but then I didn't throw up a couple of pictures and then insinuate that they provided all we needed to know about what happened.  I don't know what happened that day.  Neither do you.  The difference is that I'm not pretending otherwise.
 
2013-07-09 02:44:17 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: The quip about Trayvon being like his son is one of the dumbest thing Obama could've said especially at a time when no one really knew what actually transpired.

I don't think Obama is racist but he probably wouldn't have made the comment if Trayvon was white. I really don't understand the underlying motivation behind that statement anyway.

What exactly was he trying to imply by saying if he had a son he would be like Trayvon? hundreds of young black males get gunned down every year how come he never equate those to his hypothetical son?


It was just good PR with a certain sort of liberal. Dudes a politician, you know.
 
2013-07-09 02:45:26 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: The quip about Trayvon being like his son is one of the dumbest thing Obama could've said especially at a time when no one really knew what actually transpired.

I don't think Obama is racist but he probably wouldn't have made the comment if Trayvon was white. I really don't understand the underlying motivation behind that statement anyway.

What exactly was he trying to imply by saying if he had a son he would be like Trayvon? hundreds of young black males get gunned down every year how come he never equate those to his hypothetical son?


I don't get it either. Sounds like it might be something Jay Carney pulled out of his ass.
 
2013-07-09 02:46:04 PM  
WhiskeySticksI still don't get how a grown-ass man can't handle beating up and/or immobilize a teenager.  This dude must be a major pussy.
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super_grass You have no concept of logic and no common sense, do you?  You don't agree with my watertight logic? You must be a Tea Party racist
However, Invader Zim's a Democratic Activist
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-reali st /2012/may/15/george-zimmerman-black-democrat/

infernalistYeah, most Yoopers are rednecks. Me, I believe in personal responsibility.  Crazy notion, I know. Zimmerman's going to have a grand old time.

Naw, I'll bet you a dozen pasties he walks-he might as well have Jimmy Stewart representing him...
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2013-07-09 02:47:03 PM  

Perlin Noise: jaybeezey: Full on redneck cracker-ass cracker types would disagree.

Even in the middle of the night, high on the marijuana?


Full on redneck cracker-ass crackers don't smoke weed. They get shiatty on cheap beer and whiskey. They are an angry lot and would consider him a "messican" by looks. He probably wouldn't have time to explain his ethnic background before getting hit with a beer bottle.
 
2013-07-09 02:49:49 PM  

jaybeezey: Full on redneck cracker-ass crackers don't smoke weed.

Full on redneck cracker-ass crackers don't smoke weed. They get shiatty on cheap beer and whiskey. They are an angry lot and would consider him a "messican" by looks. He probably wouldn't have time to explain his ethnic background before getting hit with a beer bottle.

thumbs.newschoolers.com
 
2013-07-09 02:51:05 PM  

MyRandomName: Perlin Noise: MyRandomName: Same applies to Zimmerman, no? Following a suspicious person and reporting it to police is not illegal.

You mean like batman?

Yep ...Zimmerman is just like Batman... what an awesome guy. Good for him. Where is the commissioner when you need him?!

Oh wait, Batman does not use guns ...so.... the Punisher maybe?

Another fact you get wrong, awesome. Early batman did use guns.


Fear the Reaper

images.comiccollectorlive.com
 
2013-07-09 02:55:03 PM  
 SuperNinjaToad I really don't understand the underlying motivation behind that statement anyway.  What exactly was he trying to imply by saying if he had a son he would be like Trayvon? hundreds of young black males get gunned down every year how come he never equate those to his hypothetical son?

Because then he's be forced to comment on unconscious Honor Students in his old District on LiveLeak beaten to death with building site lumber by a pack of neighborhood jackals he never dealt with
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb1_1254077314
 
2013-07-09 03:05:49 PM  

udhq: Nobody owes Paula Deen a tv show, and no matter how threatened you feel by the mere cultural presentation of a black child, that doesn't justify the devaluation you place on his life.


Coming out of the backyard of a darkened house at night does not equal "cultural presentation."

...Unless you're inferring that black culture is more prone to crime. I am not.
 
2013-07-09 03:07:56 PM  

udhq: The armed thug roving the streets after dark looking for trouble had no right to label anyone else "a suspect."


Citation, please.
 
2013-07-09 03:09:48 PM  

udhq: The armed thug roving the streets after dark looking for trouble had no right to label anyone else "a suspect."


Wow. A "thug" whose first action is to call the police. Incredible!
 
2013-07-09 03:10:17 PM  

Infernalist: MyRandomName: Infernalist: MyRandomName: Infernalist: Lem Motlow: Infernalist: Ned Stark: cameroncrazy1984: Lem Motlow: I don't see how you go from being followed to pounding on someone.

You're right, it's almost like there was some sort of instigation from the other party. See how that makes sense now?

Sure, but can you prove that? Or even imply it from the evidence?

Far as I'm aware theres still a huge gap in the timeline between Zimmerman getting off the phone and Zimmerman getting his face beat in. shiatloads of reasonable doubt in that gap.


/not guilty is not a synonym for innocent.

There's the fact that the forensics lab found no evidence of a fight under TM's fingernails.  No skin, no blood.  And considering that Zimmerman's defense is that Martin attacked him, that's pretty amazing, don't you think?

You don't get skin and blood under your fingernails when you are winning a fight.  You get them under your fingernails when you are LOSING a fight.  Confirmation that Martin was in control of the fight the entire time.

There were no abrasions on TM's hands at all.  Front or back.  Now, unless he was fighting Zimmerman with gloves on, that's a bit impossible, don't you think?

Of course, it doesn't matter if TM bit off Zimmerman's nose and ate it.  Zimmerman provoked the conflict from the start and owns responsibility for anything that came of it.

That's called manslaughter.

Except for the abrasians on his knuckles in the medical examiners report... there were no abrasions!

Once again, it wouldn't matter if TM started physically eating Zimmerman like BBQ.  Zimmerman owned the conflict from the moment he got out of his truck to pursue TM.

Again florida laws says differently. When you get a single fact of the case right, I may respind again. There is no precondition for self defense predicated on who started what in florida law. None.

That's funny since the whole basis behind "Stand Your Ground" is there are preconditions for using a weapon in self defense.

You're adorable.


Work took place. Not sure if someone has already corrected you, but you are wrong again. Defense is not arguing stand your ground, it doesn't apply. They are arguing self defense. How about you stop posting and catch up on actual facts..
 
2013-07-09 03:10:58 PM  
One thing's absolutely certain - if ever I'm on trial for my life in a capital case, I'm going straight to the experienced attorneys of FARK LLC for all my legal advice.
 
2013-07-09 03:11:50 PM  

HAMMERTOE: udhq: The armed thug roving the streets after dark looking for trouble had no right to label anyone else "a suspect."

Wow. A "thug" whose first action is to call the police. Incredible!


Thugs do generally stick together, yeah
 
2013-07-09 03:16:35 PM  

Nytfall: MyRandomName: Perlin Noise: MyRandomName: Same applies to Zimmerman, no? Following a suspicious person and reporting it to police is not illegal.

You mean like batman?

Yep ...Zimmerman is just like Batman... what an awesome guy. Good for him. Where is the commissioner when you need him?!

Oh wait, Batman does not use guns ...so.... the Punisher maybe?

Another fact you get wrong, awesome. Early batman did use guns.

Fear the Reaper

[images.comiccollectorlive.com image 255x375]


So did old Batman.
images.wikia.com
 
2013-07-09 03:17:44 PM  

FlyingJ: nekom It's funny because Obama smoked marijuana too.
/me too, and millions of others.

So you're luckier than the Calif guy serving a Life Sentence even tho it's legal there because, well, just because?...
http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/18/dilberts-scott-adams-obamas-medica l- mari


Yeah, our "war on drugs" is ridiculous.  No arguments here.
 
2013-07-09 03:20:04 PM  

Ned Stark: Thugs do generally stick together, yeah


Zimmerman wasn't trespassing.
The police weren't trespassing.
Martin was trespassing.

You've clearly demonstrated your lack of critical thinking skills and respect for the laws of society by your argument.

Next.
 
2013-07-09 03:21:18 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Pot didn't make him attack Zimmerman, but it may have slowed him down enough to give Zimmerman a chance to live through it.


True colours revealed at last, eh?

permanentplastichelmet.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-09 03:24:11 PM  

udhq: jaybeezey: How about they haven't been taught that they are inferior since the day they were born?

You're going with that? Who's saying that? Parents? Teachers? Pastors? Every other person they see? Please elaborate.

Well, about a dozen people in this thread, for starters.  But usually, it's a more of a subtle, implied phenomenon.

African Americans are significantly more likely than white people to be borne into poverty, or to go to prison at some point in their lives.  When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.


A subtle implied phenomenon? The only people telling young black people that they aren't worth shiat is other young black people.

Is there still racism in America? You betcha. Are cracker rednecks in the sticks holding anyone back? No. Is "institutional racism" an issue? Yes. Generational reliance on gov't handouts is the death of self esteem. Until young poor people of all races understand that education and working harder/smarter than the next guy is the key to escape we will continue to see kids killing kids in a downward spiral of violence that we see in places like Chicago, Detroit, Flint, St. Louis, Oakland....
 
2013-07-09 03:28:00 PM  

HAMMERTOE: udhq: When people deny the existence of institutional racism, it is implied that the cause for these disparities is innate: blacks go to prison more often not because they are targeted by drug laws and sentencing disparities, but because they are by nature less civilized, more anti-social than white people; they are poorer not because of generations of property seizure and systemic economic inequality, but because they are more lazy than white people.

You know this may be true, but not in the way you're intending. Paula Deen apparently deserves to lose her livelihood over something stupid she said decades ago, but here you are, glossing over Martin's admitted racist comments, aggressive actions, and antisocial behavior.

Sounds to me like your expectations of Martin are significantly lower than the prevalent expectations of the dim past of an old white woman. How much property has he had seized again?


Nah. Paula Deen deserves her shiatstorm because she wanted her employees to work as literal slaves at her private parties and attempted to employ them as such. I heard (no evidence I could find) that she would actually pay them in drinks from time to time or else they'd lose their actual jobs in her empire. I give her a personal pass on the N word. She was from a different time, it happens. Personally, I don't think the lady is purposefully malicious or hateful, just ignorant, like she's been trapped in a bubble for decades and is very slowly learning how the world currently functions. The less ignorant people taking up blocks on my TV the better, IMHO.
 
2013-07-09 03:28:04 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Ned Stark: Thugs do generally stick together, yeah

Zimmerman wasn't trespassing.
The police weren't trespassing.
Martin was trespassing.

You've clearly demonstrated your lack of critical thinking skills and respect for the laws of society by your argument.

Next.


1 I said nothing about anyone trespassing.
2 My disrespect for the laws of society is old news.
3 it was a quip, not an argument.
 
2013-07-09 03:32:12 PM  

This text is now purple: Nytfall: MyRandomName: Perlin Noise: MyRandomName: Same applies to Zimmerman, no? Following a suspicious person and reporting it to police is not illegal.

You mean like batman?

Yep ...Zimmerman is just like Batman... what an awesome guy. Good for him. Where is the commissioner when you need him?!

Oh wait, Batman does not use guns ...so.... the Punisher maybe?

Another fact you get wrong, awesome. Early batman did use guns.

Fear the Reaper

[images.comiccollectorlive.com image 255x375]

So did old Batman.
[images.wikia.com image 850x478]


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-07-09 03:32:14 PM  

GregInIndy: One thing's absolutely certain - if ever I'm on trial for my life in a capital case, I'm going straight to the experienced attorneys of FARK LLC for all my legal advice.


You won't regret it!
 
2013-07-09 03:40:46 PM  

Ned Stark: 1 I said nothing about anyone trespassing.
2 My disrespect for the laws of society is old news.
3 it was a quip, not an argument.


1) You quoted a passage incorrectly labeling Zimmerman as the "thug" and then directly called the police "thugs" as well.

My disrespect for certain laws does not extend to the people whose lives are dedicated to enforcing the laws. MLK said  that those laws that are unjust must be disobeyed, but he specifically stressed that aggression and violence were not the route to success. Trayvon Martin has only served to reinforce that lesson.
 
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