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2013-07-09 12:27:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Isn't that largely what criminals do, though? Make really bad decisions that end up breaking the law?


No, I think what you are talking about is intent. I do not believe Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon or even harm him. He just created a really bad situation unwittingly.
 
2013-07-09 12:28:02 PM  

megarian: offmymeds: megarian: Oh, oh fark guys...

I smoked pot marijuana recently. How...how long do I have before I kill someone?

megarian: ...and it was a lot. Maybe ten marihuanas.

You're basically farked. Better turn yourself in before somebody decides to stand his ground against you.

I just called the Detroit police and told them that I smoked marijuana.

They lol'd.


Yeah? Well they won't be laughing when they find you standing over the bloody, mutilated remains of your next victim!
;)
 
2013-07-09 12:28:25 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: jaybeezey:
Is the President of the United States weighing in on a lot of cases these days or just cases where a black person seems to be done wrong by whitey...or a half cuban half jewish mix of some kind?

There is no doubt that folks get railroaded by overeager DA looking to make a name for themselves as being tough on crime. And there are waaaaaay to many kids in jail on bs possesion charges, but let's be honest about the nature of this case.


You're talking about the President who had someone during his State of the Union and call him a liar? The President who has folks walking around with pictures of him on a dollar bill eating cicken and watermelon? The President who had a look-a-like play Satan in a documentary about the last days? The President who has local sheriff departments and governors saying that they won't enforce laws because he influcenced their implementation? That guy now has the power to get people charged in Florida? Yeah ok.

People like you are the reason he never really comments on issues of race. He never claimed that anyone was guilty or innocent. The President called for a FULL INVESTIGATION. But all you were able to remember is that he said Trayvon would hav looked like him. You've taken that one part of the statement and flipped it to mean, "I think George Zimmerman should go to jail and all blacks should get reperations."

Its pretty ridiculous.


Keep your head in the sand kid. There has never been a president that had the media in his back pocket like Obama. I give credit where it is due, and the guy is a master. He knows he can't come out and comment on guilt, but he can make a statement to get the media behind a movement.

They looked at the evidence and decided not to charge Zimmerman, until the media hype. Then they didn't take it before a grand jury because they knew that it likely woudn't pass muster.

Obama is free to comment on issues of race all he wants. I would welcome it. I'd love to hear someone explain why the trillions spent on the War on Poverty has only lead to more broken  homes, more black men in prison, more young black kids being raised without fathers and wholesale decline of some urban environments.

Why are African immigrants in America doing better than African Americans? What can these immigrants teach us about ourselves that no one else seems to be able to see?

www.100blackmen.org is a good start to solving some of these problems.
 
2013-07-09 12:28:56 PM  

Perlin Noise: cameroncrazy1984: Isn't that largely what criminals do, though? Make really bad decisions that end up breaking the law?

No, I think what you are talking about is intent. I do not believe Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon or even harm him. He just created a really bad situation unwittingly.


At best, he was a moron, aggressively going after some kid on some vague suspicion that may or may not have been racially motivated.

Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.
 
2013-07-09 12:29:56 PM  
Not true either.  TM did not live in that complex.

And loitering?  Maybe loitering and getting confronational with a stranger in the middle of the night.  Like I said, that's a bad idea because a) he might be a bigger tough guy than you think you are, and b) he might be carrying a weapon.
 
2013-07-09 12:30:27 PM  
Yeah, whether or not he smoked weed has no relevance to the case at all.  I mean he was a suburban black youth.  If he DIDN'T smoke weed it would have more relevance.
 
2013-07-09 12:30:43 PM  
So marijuana is a reason to murder, but Twinkies can be a defense to murder.  I can't wrap my head around that...
 
2013-07-09 12:31:09 PM  
If Trayvon had not died, he'd be looking at hate crimes charges. Clearly his rage against Zimmerman was that he saw him as a "cracker".

People are saying "justice for Trayvon". Trayvon already got justice. I just hope Zimmerman can recover from Martin's parents the money he is due for medical and pain and suffering.
 
2013-07-09 12:31:47 PM  

Lem Motlow: Not true either.  TM did not live in that complex.

And loitering?  Maybe loitering and getting confronational with a stranger in the middle of the night.  Like I said, that's a bad idea because a) he might be a bigger tough guy than you think you are, and b) he might be carrying a weapon.


That was supposed to be a reply to Perlin.
 
2013-07-09 12:32:13 PM  

Infernalist: At best, he was a moron, aggressively going after some kid on some vague suspicion that may or may not have been racially motivated.

Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.


yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.
 
2013-07-09 12:32:35 PM  

SevenizGud: If Trayvon had not died, he'd be looking at hate crimes charges. Clearly his rage against Zimmerman was that he saw him as a "cracker".

People are saying "justice for Trayvon". Trayvon already got justice. I just hope Zimmerman can recover from Martin's parents the money he is due for medical and pain and suffering.


Is it just me or is the average troll getting increasingly boring and predictable these days?  God, I miss the old ones that knew what they were doing.
 
2013-07-09 12:33:19 PM  

Infernalist: Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.


If only you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated.  You simply can't do it.
 
2013-07-09 12:33:33 PM  

Perlin Noise: Lem Motlow: If I were being followed in the middle of the night and I had a chance to reach my destination unmolested, I would do just that.  Not make a U-turn and find the person following me and sucker punch them.  You never know if he might be carrying a weapon.

I actually agree with you and in no way condone any violent action on either of their parts. However, that does not change the fact that Zimmerman was the aggressor. Plus, I don't think we can trust a sucker punch claim from the guy when nobody can corroborate it, especially when he killed the kid. I'm not saying it did not happen, only that it is not convincing evidence (if you can even call it that).

What we do have to go on is facts, not hearsay testimony. If he had stayed in the vehicle, everything would have been fine. As soon as he went tracking him down, he was taking the law into his own hands.

Trayvon's character matters little. It is just a distraction.


That's simply legally incorrect.

Zimmerman had the legal right to be where he was.  Following Martin does not in any way, shape, or form make him the aggressor, nor is it in any way, shape, or form an illegal act.

The aggressor is the one who threw the first punch, and given available information that was Martin.  But legally that is a bit of a distraction as well.

The use of deadly force is justified when you have a reasonable fear for your life or serious bodily harm.  If Martin placed Zimmerman in that position, then Zimmerman was legally justified.  And given that there is no evidence to the contrary, Zimmerman is not guilty of any crime.

It's a tragic situation.  Any number of things could have gone differently that would have resulted in a different outcome.  But that doesn't mean Zimmerman committed a crime.
 
2013-07-09 12:33:41 PM  

Perlin Noise: Infernalist: At best, he was a moron, aggressively going after some kid on some vague suspicion that may or may not have been racially motivated.

Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.

yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.


Probably hoping that Zimmerman will be smart for the first time in his life and plea down to manslaughter.
 
2013-07-09 12:33:43 PM  

Perlin Noise: The worst he was doing is loitering in his own neighborhood.


With people like Trayvon in his neighborhood no wonder they had a watch.

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2013-07-09 12:34:38 PM  

Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.


If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime.  Then you might actually get to lock him up.
 
2013-07-09 12:34:51 PM  

nekom: It's funny because Obama smoked marijuana too.

/me too, and millions of others.


Not me.
 
2013-07-09 12:34:56 PM  

offmymeds: megarian: offmymeds: megarian: Oh, oh fark guys...

I smoked pot marijuana recently. How...how long do I have before I kill someone?

megarian: ...and it was a lot. Maybe ten marihuanas.

You're basically farked. Better turn yourself in before somebody decides to stand his ground against you.

I just called the Detroit police and told them that I smoked marijuana.

They lol'd.

Yeah? Well they won't be laughing when they find you standing over the bloody, mutilated remains of your next victim!
;)


Sounds sexy.

/probably because of the marihuanas
 
2013-07-09 12:35:21 PM  

Infernalist: Probably hoping that Zimmerman will be smart for the first time in his life and plea down to manslaughter.


LOL  And you accuse others of trolling.
 
2013-07-09 12:35:35 PM  

Infernalist: At best, he was a moron, aggressively going after some kid on some vague suspicion that may or may not have been racially motivated.


I doubt there was any racial motivation, as Zimmerman couldn't have known that Martin thought he was a cracker.
 
2013-07-09 12:36:04 PM  

Scerpes: Infernalist: Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.

If only you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated.  You simply can't do it.


Zimmerman himself has proven that he instigated the conflict by approaching Martin.  It's entirely irrelevant if Martin attacked him after Zimmerman made himself known to the boy.  By approaching Martin and instigating the interaction, Martin takes on the full responsibility for instigating the subsequent conflict.

In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.
 
2013-07-09 12:36:52 PM  

Lem Motlow: Not true either.  TM did not live in that complex.

And loitering?  Maybe loitering and getting confronational with a stranger in the middle of the night.  Like I said, that's a bad idea because a) he might be a bigger tough guy than you think you are, and b) he might be carrying a weapon.


Ok ...So he did not live there ...irrelevant.

From his perspective he was being stalked/harassed. Really? Is it that hard to see that? Listen, I'm not saying Trayvon is a saint or reacted well but he did not instigate the situation. Period.

Neither of these two people did the right thing. One is still alive, and he farked up bad. He should be punished for it.
 
2013-07-09 12:37:20 PM  

Perlin Noise: lantawa: Martin's character is at THE ESSENCE of this case.  You cannot ignore the 600 lb. gorilla in the room.  Not yours...

Looks like you have been properly distracted. Hook line and sinker.

See how they make you think he deserved to be killed?

Again, I just think Zimmerman made a really really bad/stupid call... I don't think he is a criminal.



Nice try..........BUT....

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No one deserved to die. No one "won" in this whole dog and pony show.
(Except maybe the extended Martin family and attorneys, who have already recieved a one million dollar + settlement in this case----can anyone give me a "MONEY GRAB"?)
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Gee.  I wonder if the Martin family has any bias, above and beyond grief and seeking justice, due to financial issues surrounding this case. One just has to wonder, doesn't one?

At least you got right the part about Zimmerman NOT being a criminal.

 
2013-07-09 12:37:24 PM  

Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.


Great theory.  Too bad thats not the law in Florida.  If Martin had just gone home, none of this would have happened.  He owns the results.  For better or worse.
 
2013-07-09 12:37:30 PM  

Tumunga: nekom: It's funny because Obama smoked marijuana too.

/me too, and millions of others.

Not me.


You should try it before you eat your reward cookie.
 
2013-07-09 12:37:41 PM  

topcon: If that judge had a son, he'd look like John Goodman dressed up as Linda Tripp.

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Totally forgot about the Goodman/Tripp thing, but you're right.
 
2013-07-09 12:38:55 PM  
If Zimmerman takes the stand in his own defense, he's going to get flayed alive by one question:

"Mr. Zimmerman, the 911 call recorded you saying 'punks like him are always getting away.'  When you say 'punks like him', what group were you referring to?  Urban youths or black youths?  Hoodie wearers?  Skittle lovers?  Tea drinkers?  People who don't own a car?  What group did you have in mind when you said 'punks like him?'
 
2013-07-09 12:39:30 PM  

lantawa: here....have a HOLSTEE MANIFESTO:

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www.galaide.org

Far out.
 
2013-07-09 12:40:11 PM  

Infernalist: If Zimmerman takes the stand in his own defense, he's going to get flayed alive by one question:

"Mr. Zimmerman, the 911 call recorded you saying 'punks like him are always getting away.'  When you say 'punks like him', what group were you referring to?  Urban youths or black youths?  Hoodie wearers?  Skittle lovers?  Tea drinkers?  People who don't own a car?  What group did you have in mind when you said 'punks like him?'


1/10
 
2013-07-09 12:40:50 PM  

hasty ambush: Perlin Noise: The worst he was doing is loitering in his own neighborhood.

With people like Trayvon in his neighborhood no wonder they had a watch.

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And we know Zimmerman didn't start it and whip out his gun when he got his ass kicked because?
 
2013-07-09 12:41:08 PM  

Scerpes: Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.

Great theory.  Too bad thats not the law in Florida.  If Martin had just gone home, none of this would have happened.  He owns the results.  For better or worse.


People are allowed to walk to the store and buy something.  They're not allowed to aggressive approach someone with a hand gun.  Zimmerman is the one at fault here.  He stuck his stupid face into a situation based solely on the fact that he had the edge due to his carrying a gun.  He stuck his face into a conflict against the advice of the 911 operator and a kid died from it.

Zimmerman is going to be 'very' popular in general population.
 
2013-07-09 12:41:17 PM  

Scerpes: Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.

If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime.  Then you might actually get to lock him up.


Walking around? He was following Trayvon. It was a good attempt at spin, though.
 
2013-07-09 12:41:45 PM  

Scerpes: Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.

Great theory.  Too bad thats not the law in Florida.  If Martin had just gone home, none of this would have happened.  He owns the results.  For better or worse.


Yep.....
 
2013-07-09 12:42:02 PM  

Scerpes: Infernalist: If Zimmerman takes the stand in his own defense, he's going to get flayed alive by one question:

"Mr. Zimmerman, the 911 call recorded you saying 'punks like him are always getting away.'  When you say 'punks like him', what group were you referring to?  Urban youths or black youths?  Hoodie wearers?  Skittle lovers?  Tea drinkers?  People who don't own a car?  What group did you have in mind when you said 'punks like him?'

1/10


How would you answer it, old son?  Take your time.
 
2013-07-09 12:42:37 PM  

lantawa: Scerpes: Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.

Great theory.  Too bad thats not the law in Florida.  If Martin had just gone home, none of this would have happened.  He owns the results.  For better or worse.

Yep.....


Nope.
 
2013-07-09 12:43:44 PM  

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.

Great theory.  Too bad thats not the law in Florida.  If Martin had just gone home, none of this would have happened.  He owns the results.  For better or worse.

People are allowed to walk to the store and buy something.  They're not allowed to aggressive approach someone with a hand gun.  Zimmerman is the one at fault here.  He stuck his stupid face into a situation based solely on the fact that he had the edge due to his carrying a gun.  He stuck his face into a conflict against the advice of the 911 operator and a kid died from it.

Zimmerman is going to be 'very' popular in general population.


Aggressively?  There's no evidence of that.  And yes...you're perfectly entitled to walk up to stranger on the street and say "What are you doing?"  That's not illegal, handgun or not.
 
2013-07-09 12:44:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.

If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime.  Then you might actually get to lock him up.

Walking around? He was following Trayvon. It was a good attempt at spin, though.


Even if he was following, there's nothing illegal about that.
 
2013-07-09 12:45:07 PM  

hasty ambush: ikanreed: If there's one group of people who need their character defamed, it's people who were shot to death at an extremely young age.


Looks to me that he did an extremely good job of defaming his own character others are just making sure we and the jury know what that character was:

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And how has nobody commented on the fact that dear widdle TM had a FARKING HANDGUN when he was underage? The only way he could have acquired that piece is if he purchased it illegally, and if I recall correctly most states also regard drug possession while carrying a firearm a major offense. So,  we have drug usage (illegal, despite farkers wishes that it wasn't) combined with Felony Possession of a Firearm. Now if he had wanted to dance around the law on that he should have had a "Antique Firearm" (according to BATFE) like this 1858 Remington reproduction:
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.44 caliber, 6 shots, easy swappable cylinder, AND  perfectly legal for him to own, even after committing a federal crime resulting in the removal of his right to bear arms.
 
2013-07-09 12:45:25 PM  

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: If Zimmerman takes the stand in his own defense, he's going to get flayed alive by one question:

"Mr. Zimmerman, the 911 call recorded you saying 'punks like him are always getting away.'  When you say 'punks like him', what group were you referring to?  Urban youths or black youths?  Hoodie wearers?  Skittle lovers?  Tea drinkers?  People who don't own a car?  What group did you have in mind when you said 'punks like him?'

1/10

How would you answer it, old son?  Take your time.


Simple - suspicious characters.  Manner of dress and looking in windows makes you suspicious.  Though it doesn't matter because there's no way he's taking the stand.
 
2013-07-09 12:45:57 PM  

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Pro-tip:  YOU CAN'T INSTIGATE A CONFLICT IF YOU'RE CARRYING A GUN.

If only you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated.  You simply can't do it.

Zimmerman himself has proven that he instigated the conflict by approaching Martin.  It's entirely irrelevant if Martin attacked him after Zimmerman made himself known to the boy.  By approaching Martin and instigating the interaction, Martin takes on the full responsibility for instigating the subsequent conflict.

In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.


I'm not aware of any law that says I can't approach someone in public.

In fact, I'm incredibly sure that approaching another person in public is legal.  I can even legally talk to them.  And if I happened to be carrying a gun, that doesn't change.
 
2013-07-09 12:46:32 PM  

Perlin Noise: Lem Motlow: Not true either.  TM did not live in that complex.

And loitering?  Maybe loitering and getting confronational with a stranger in the middle of the night.  Like I said, that's a bad idea because a) he might be a bigger tough guy than you think you are, and b) he might be carrying a weapon.

Ok ...So he did not live there ...irrelevant.

From his perspective he was being stalked/harassed. Really? Is it that hard to see that? Listen, I'm not saying Trayvon is a saint or reacted well but he did not instigate the situation. Period.

Neither of these two people did the right thing. One is still alive, and he farked up bad. He should be punished for it.


It may or may not be relevant.

My point is this:

If it were me, I'd have gone home and stayed safe.  I don't have much tough guy thug in me and would not find it necessary to confront someone who was following me.

Trayvon figured he was some sort of tough guy and doubled back to confront a stranger in the middle of the night.  The tough guy ended up pounding the stranger's head on the pavement.  Stranger ended up having a gun.

I don't see how you go from being followed to pounding on someone.  Someone is following you?  So what, go home.  Did he look at you funny?  So what, go home.  Did he dis' you?  So what, go home.

I would have gone home and enjoyed my Skittles.
 
2013-07-09 12:46:36 PM  

Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.

If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime.  Then you might actually get to lock him up.

Walking around? He was following Trayvon. It was a good attempt at spin, though.

Even if he was following, there's nothing illegal about that.


Except in cases where the following instigates a confrontation...
 
2013-07-09 12:47:36 PM  

Scerpes: Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: In short, if the farker had stayed in his truck and stayed away from Martin, none of this would have happened.  But, he didn't, so he owns the results, for better or worse.

Great theory.  Too bad thats not the law in Florida.  If Martin had just gone home, none of this would have happened.  He owns the results.  For better or worse.

People are allowed to walk to the store and buy something.  They're not allowed to aggressive approach someone with a hand gun.  Zimmerman is the one at fault here.  He stuck his stupid face into a situation based solely on the fact that he had the edge due to his carrying a gun.  He stuck his face into a conflict against the advice of the 911 operator and a kid died from it.

Zimmerman is going to be 'very' popular in general population.

Aggressively?  There's no evidence of that.  And yes...you're perfectly entitled to walk up to stranger on the street and say "What are you doing?"  That's not illegal, handgun or not.


No, it's really not.  If you doubt it, go buy a gun, keep it in hand and try walking up to someone on the street and see what happens.

Better yet, try walking up to a cop and saying that.

They 'teach' you this stuff in Open Carry classes.  You can't aggressively involve yourself in any situation outside of defending someone from harm.  That's like...the first thing that they teach you.  The gun is there for SELF DEFENSE, not being a hero and going all 'citizens arrest' on someone.

Zimmerman ignored this primary rule and he's going to burn for it.
 
2013-07-09 12:48:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.

If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime.  Then you might actually get to lock him up.

Walking around? He was following Trayvon. It was a good attempt at spin, though.

Even if he was following, there's nothing illegal about that.

Except in cases where the following instigates a confrontation...


Not even remotely true.  I can follow all I like.  If you choose to confront me, that doesn't make the following illegal.  If you choose to strike me, that doesn't make the following illegal.  If you strike me and place me in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm forcing me to kill you, that doesn't make the following illegal.
 
2013-07-09 12:48:37 PM  

nekom: It's funny because Obama smoked marijuana too.

/me too, and millions of others.


I guess stoners believe in "innocence by association."

/ Just calling a stoner a stoner
// You're a bad person and you should feel bad
// Slashies!
 
2013-07-09 12:49:10 PM  

Lem Motlow: I don't see how you go from being followed to pounding on someone.


You're right, it's almost like there was some sort of instigation from the other party. See how that makes sense now?
 
2013-07-09 12:49:42 PM  

Infernalist: It's entirely irrelevant if Martin attacked him after Zimmerman made himself known to the boy. By approaching Martin and instigating the interaction, Martin takes on the full responsibility for instigating the subsequent conflict.


FAIL

At least you're not hiding behind race, I'll give you that. However, the fact has been established that Martin knew Zimmerman was following him. This fact is accepted by both sides. Walking up to and talking to somebody is most certainly not grounds for "taking responsibility for instigating the subsequent conflict." Martin knew he was a stranger in the neighborhood. Martin also knew he had been trespassing. Whether that involved casing homes for subsequent robbery, or just taking a shortcut through somebody's back yard, we'll never know. Fact is: Zimmerman caught him trespassing and called 911 while trying to do nothing more than maintain observation of Martin's whereabouts. Martin told his "friend" that he was near "home" then turned around to instigate a confrontation with the "creepy-ass cracker," rather than let Zimmerman know exactly where to send the po-po that he reasonably could have expected to be called as a result of his own actions.

Game- set- match.
 
2013-07-09 12:49:45 PM  

Scerpes: Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: If Zimmerman takes the stand in his own defense, he's going to get flayed alive by one question:

"Mr. Zimmerman, the 911 call recorded you saying 'punks like him are always getting away.'  When you say 'punks like him', what group were you referring to?  Urban youths or black youths?  Hoodie wearers?  Skittle lovers?  Tea drinkers?  People who don't own a car?  What group did you have in mind when you said 'punks like him?'

1/10

How would you answer it, old son?  Take your time.

Simple - suspicious characters.  Manner of dress and looking in windows makes you suspicious.  Though it doesn't matter because there's no way he's taking the stand.


"Suspicious, sir?  Your own statement states that Trayvon was walking down the street.  You made no mention of looking in windows.  Are you lying now, or did you lie to the police when you made your multiple statements?  And what exactly is suspicious about wearing a hoodie, sir?  Does it cover the face?  Is 'grey' a color that blends into the darkness?  Are all hoodie wearers deserving of that suspicion and armed aggression?"
 
2013-07-09 12:49:45 PM  

Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Perlin Noise: yep ...manslaughter ...he should be punished for his horrible judgement. 2nd degree is taking too far.

If only getting out of your truck and walking around in the dark was a crime.  Then you might actually get to lock him up.

Walking around? He was following Trayvon. It was a good attempt at spin, though.

Even if he was following, there's nothing illegal about that.

Except in cases where the following instigates a confrontation...

Not even remotely true.  I can follow all I like.  If you choose to confront me, that doesn't make the following illegal.  If you choose to strike me, that doesn't make the following illegal.  If you strike me and place me in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm forcing me to kill you, that doesn't make the following illegal.


You've never heard of harassment, have you.
 
2013-07-09 12:50:20 PM  
Or stalking, for that matter.
 
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